Air France Flight 447 Disappears?

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The pilot sent a manual signal at 11 p.m. local time saying he was flying through an area of "CBs" — black, electrically charged cumulonimbus clouds that come with violent winds and lightning. Satellite data has shown that towering thunderheads were sending 100 mph (160 kph) updraft winds into the jet's flight path at the time.

I'm thinking about Earth changes, comets, and the global warming myth, combined with clamp downs on freedom to travel.

If after investigations, they rule that freak weather brought down the plane, then that sets up a whole new attitude to air travel. As Earth changes continue to increase with the coming of the Wave, with bigger storms, earthquakes etc., they could stop air travel all together.

And if there is comet involvement, they could cover it up with the idea of freak weather and massive electrical storms.

Reminds me of the sentence from Clube about how the cold war could be engineered to cover up comets; maybe global warming can be used in the same way?

(edit: just realised that violent winds and lightning also come with comets)
 
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In the same time frame as the accident 31st May - 1st June, meteor 2009KR21 came to its closest approach to earth, only 0.74 lunar distance. Details at hohmanntransfer.com. I just wonder if it was accompanied by other space rocks, one (or more) that could have entered the earths atmosphere. (Having been missed by the various official space monitoring organisations - but not perhaps by some secret scheme?)
 
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There are two reports from Spanish pilots being discussed in the web. More info here: _http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/375937-air-france-a330-200-missing-46.html#post4974143

One is from the pilot of an Air Comet flight from Lima to Lisbon who claims to have seen "an intense flash of white light" which took a descending vertical path and vanished in 6 seconds, this around the time and area where Air France Flight 447 was lost. The report was published in the Spanish newspaper El Mundo and it is available here: _http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2009/06/04/internacional/1244097992.html
 
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Here is the same info in English: _http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Pilot-saw-white-light-where-Air-France-flight-lost/articleshow/4617007.cms

"Suddenly, we saw in the distance a strong and intense flash of white light, which followed a descending and vertical trajectory and which broke up in six seconds," the captain wrote in the report.

I wonder what can be the cause of "intense flash of white light". Taking in account published coordinates of two planes (7N49W and 0,38W) you get the distance of more then 1200 km! To notice this, even in the air, it must be pretty strong explosion! :huh:
 
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Some interesting finds.
here is the google translation of the Spanish article
_http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elmundo.es%2Felmundo%2F2009%2F06%2F04%2Finternacional%2F1244097992.html&sl=es&tl=en&history_state0=

The forum discussion suggests the distance was over 2000km _http://www.pprune.org/4974157-post912.html
but also mentions 2 reports of the flash.....so far I'm only able to find one. _http://www.pprune.org/4974143-post911.html

Interestingly that forum thread was closed due to too much speculation and not enough data....
 
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RedFox said:
The forum discussion suggests the distance was over 2000km _http://www.pprune.org/4974157-post912.html
but also mentions 2 reports of the flash.....so far I'm only able to find one. _http://www.pprune.org/4974143-post911.html

From the same forum, this post seems noteworthy:

_http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/375937-air-france-a330-200-missing-46.html#post4974157

This is what the relative positions would look like.

Great Circle Mapper

gcmap


LIM (12°01'19"S 77°06'52"W) 07°00'00"N 49°00'00"W 2028 nm
07°00'00"N 49°00'00"W LIS (38°46'53"N 09°08'09"W) 2875 nm

RIO (22°54'S 43°14'W) CDG (49°00'35"N 02°32'52"E) 4950 nm

07°00'00"N 49°00'00"W 03°17'24"N 30°24'00"W 100° 1135 nm

That is too far to see anything other than a metor. (probably was a very big exploding meteor)

[emphasis mine]

Might be a good guess...
 
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Regulattor said:
Here is the same info in English: _http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Pilot-saw-white-light-where-Air-France-flight-lost/articleshow/4617007.cms

"Suddenly, we saw in the distance a strong and intense flash of white light, which followed a descending and vertical trajectory and which broke up in six seconds," the captain wrote in the report.

I wonder what can be the cause of "intense flash of white light". Taking in account published coordinates of two planes (7N49W and 0,38W) you get the distance of more then 1200 km! To notice this, even in the air, it must be pretty strong explosion! :huh:


Here is something posted by Carcosa:

Carcosa said:
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/

Like this meteor, filmed on the 31st May in Poland:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFdyElQCDKQ

BLINDING FLASH: On May 31st, evening sky watchers in northern Poland were temporarily blinded by a sudden flash of light brighter than the full Moon. An automated camera in the town of Gniewowo captured this snapshot of the "un-night" sky
(see at http://www.spaceweather.com/ )

What happened? A meteoroid of unknown origin hit Earth's atmosphere and exploded. "It was a huge fireball, probably brighter than magnitude -13," reports Gniewowo resident Przemyslaw Zoladek. "The explosion occured at 20:48 UT and was observed by many casual witnesses and at least two Polish Fireball Network video stations." No one knows if fragments of the object reached the ground. "
http://www.spaceweather.com/
 
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Here's an interesting twist:

_http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8083474.stm

Debris 'not from Air France jet'

A Brazilian plane searches over the Atlantic ocean, 3 June 2009
Brazilian and French planes have been searching over the area of the crash

Debris recovered from the Atlantic by Brazilian search teams does not come from a lost Air France jet, a Brazilian air force official has said.

Brig Ramon Borges Cardoso contradicted earlier reports that debris had been found, saying "no material from the plane has been recovered".

A wooden cargo pallet was taken from the sea, but the Airbus A330 had no wooden pallets on board.

Relatives have been told that there is no hope of survivors being found.

Air France chief executive Pierre-Henri Gourgeon and chairman Jean-Cyril Spinetta briefed the passengers' relatives in a hotel near Paris Charles de Gaulle airport where they have been waiting for news.

Mr Gourgeon said the jet, which was carrying 228 people from Rio de Janeiro to Paris, broke apart either in the air or when it hit the sea.
See a map of the plane's route

"What is clear is that there was no landing," said a support group representative who was at the meeting, Guillaume Denoix de Saint-Marc. "There's no chance the escape slides came out."

In Rio de Janeiro, hundreds of people gathered at a memorial service attended by the French and Brazilian foreign ministers.

"Those who are missing are here in our hearts and in our memories," said the French minister, Bernard Kouchner.

A memorial service was held in Paris on Wednesday.

Oil slick

Brazilian navy vessels have been combing the area, about 1,100km (690 miles) north-east of Brazil's coast.

Three more Brazilian boats and a French ship equipped with small submarines are expected to arrive in the area in the next few days.

Brig Cardoso said that fuel found in the sea probably did come from the plane, because it was not of a type used in ships.

However he said a large oil slick photographed in the area was more likely to have come from a ship.

He said the search effort would continue, with the main focus on finding bodies, but bad weather is forecast for the region on Friday.

'Clock ticking'

French military spokesman Christophe Prazuck said the priority was looking for wreckage from the plane, before turning the search to flight data recorders.

"The clock is ticking on finding debris before they spread out and before they sink or disappear," he said.

French officials have said the recorders, which could be deep under water, may never be found.

Officials have warned that they are far from working out the cause of the crash.

Investigators are reported to be relying on a stream of automated messages sent out just before the crash, which suggested the plane's systems shut down as it flew through high thunderstorms.

Investigators have suggested that speed sensors failed or iced over, causing erroneous data to be fed to onboard computers. This might have caused the plane to fly too fast or too slowly through the storm, leading it either to break apart or stall and fall out of the sky.

A Spanish pilot flying in the area at the time of the crash was quoted by his airline, Air Comet, as saying he had seen an "intense flash of white light, which followed a descending and vertical trajectory and which broke up in six seconds".

The paper said Airbus, the maker of the plane, would issue A330 jets with new advice on flying in storms.

Airbus declined to comment on the report, though an unnamed official told AFP news agency that it was normal to update airlines following an accident.

Ok, there are several points of interest here. First the fact that they have now retracted earlier reports of finding wreckage of the plane. Did the thing just disintegrate? :scared:

Also, the report about the oil slick is interesting. If we work under the assumption that there was a bolide explosion in the area, is it possible the bolide itself contained hydrocarbon material or hydrocarbon material was forged in the blast from simple carbon material from the bolide itself? I have a hard time believing that if they haven't found any wreckage so far that the fuel would somehow survive essentially in tact. If the plane exploded mid-air leaving no wreckage, I doubt there would be much fuel left unburned.

They do mention the account of the Spanish pilot, but they do not mention the fact that he was over 2000km away and any blast he saw must have been enormous to be viewed from that distance.
 
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Having watched numerous reruns of National Geographic's 'Air Crash Investigations', my personal opinion is that 'normal' factors such as problems with the plane, or its interaction with bad weather phenomena could easily cripple/destroy a plane, if the conditions are just right. Of course, this is not to suggest that abnormal phenomena such as meteors/EMP flashes/UFOs/etc. couldn't have happened, just that we should consider the more mundane things as more likely? I do know the higher incidence of meteorites/comets burning crashing to the planet these days, but what would the chances of a random meteorite hitting a fast moving plane as it goes on its flight path be?

It would be good if we had a pilot, or someone with practical experience on what could go wrong with a plane comment on the issue. It is certainly suspicious that the incident occured just out of radar's view (and if there was something fishy about it, that's what you'd expect anyway). It seems that when the situation tends to get bad, everything seems to go against you...

Unfortunately, all we have now is much speculation and little data.
 
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moksha said:
It would be good if we had a pilot, or someone with practical experience on what could go wrong with a plane comment on the issue.

Who said we didn't? ;) (hint: having pointy ears does not mean one is not, or has not been, a pilot)

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12531.msg89704#msg89704
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12531.msg89732#msg89732
 
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anart said:
moksha said:
It would be good if we had a pilot, or someone with practical experience on what could go wrong with a plane comment on the issue.

Who said we didn't? ;) (hint: having pointy ears does not mean one is not, or has not been, a pilot)

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12531.msg89704#msg89704
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12531.msg89732#msg89732

oh I am sorry, I guess I assumed the Posts of Vulcan59 were in the capacity of 'science officer' only :P
 
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psyche said:
One is from the pilot of an Air Comet flight from Lima to Lisbon who claims to have seen "an intense flash of white light" which took a descending vertical path and vanished in 6 seconds, this around the time and area where Air France Flight 447 was lost.

Air 'Comet'? Talk about a coincidence.
 
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[quote author=Perceval]

[quote author=Erna]The Titanic sank in 1912, and they discovered the wreck in 1985 at approximately 2.5 miles below the surface. The Atlantic is a big, deep place. [/quote]

I don't see what that has to do with anything.

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What I mean by this is that the possibility of the black box being found and possibly revealing the cause of the crash, is so remote that officials and spokespersons can safely make statements about the crash without the risk of exposure if they're hiding something.

I'm just playing devil's advocate...

Have a look at this:

Trash mistaken for plane debris

http://www.news24.com/Content/World/News/1073/b05165ae6e434de7b30d8288899585d9/05-06-2009%2008-06/Trash_mistaken_for_plane_debris

The absence of a Mayday does indicate that whatever happened, happened quickly, if a Mayday wasn't in fact received. We are always only presented with info that are deemed appropriate for our consumption.
 
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domi said:
psyche said:
One is from the pilot of an Air Comet flight from Lima to Lisbon who claims to have seen "an intense flash of white light" which took a descending vertical path and vanished in 6 seconds, this around the time and area where Air France Flight 447 was lost.

Air 'Comet'? Talk about a coincidence.

Given we live in a symbolic reality, this might be a clue!
 
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Nienna Eluch said:
Here is something posted by Carcosa:

Carcosa said:
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/

What happened? A meteoroid of unknown origin hit Earth's atmosphere and exploded. "It was a huge fireball, probably brighter than magnitude -13," reports Gniewowo resident Przemyslaw Zoladek. "The explosion occured at 20:48 UT and was observed by many casual witnesses and at least two Polish Fireball Network video stations." No one knows if fragments of the object reached the ground. "
http://www.spaceweather.com/
The explosion in Poland occurred at 20:48 UT (= 17h48 Rio time) so that's too soon to be related, but I found this Polish meteorite / flash of light report "coincidently" interesting – as well as the video.
 
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