Air France Flight 447 Disappears?

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And I suppose for the authorities to publicly consider a possible meteor strike would be opening an unnecessary can of worms...

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According to Amaral, search crews also found a suitcase that contained a ticket for the flight.
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I also don't trust any info coming from the authorities. When they say there was no Mayday, it doesn't mean there was no Mayday, it means they say there was no Mayday, and that goes for 'discovered bodies' to floating debris or no debris and every bit of disclosed info with regards to this event and every other news event and topic. One can only wonder with all the garbage we are being fed.

I also noticed early on how Brazilian authorities confidently announced that they don't foresee much difficulty in finding the black box and how they could pinpoint the general location where the plane went down, and how quickly that changed to "uneven seabed 3 km down below", "very remote chance", "stormy seas", "very large area to cover".

We went from:

_http://www.livemint.com/2009/06/03101025/Brazil-finds-Air-France-wrecka.html

Brazilian president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva said he was confident that the black boxes would be found.
“I think a country that can find oil 6,000 meters under the ocean can find a plane 2,000 meters down,”
he told reporters in Guatemala, referring to recent oil finds by Brazil’s state energy company in ultra-deep waters.
The recorders are designed to send homing signals for up to 30 days when they hit water, but many do not float well.

to:

Air France black boxes 'may never be found'

and:

_http://www.mg.co.za/article/2009-06-04-mystery-deepens-over-missing-air-france-jet

It would be extremely difficult -- maybe impossible -- to recover them even if the 200km wide search area were narrowed down, experts said.

And we went from:

_http://www.livemint.com/2009/06/03101025/Brazil-finds-Air-France-wrecka.html

Airplane seats, an orange buoy, wiring, pieces of metal and fuel stains were spotted in the water by Brazilian air force pilots about 1,200 km northeast of the coastal city of Recife.

to:

_http://www.mg.co.za/article/2009-06-06-brazil-crews-struggle-to-gather-plane-wreckage

Teams had earlier pulled out a wooden pallet that appeared to be part of the plane, but later said it was marine trash.

So airplane seats, wiring, pieces of metal and fuel stains became a wooden pallet and sea trash...mmmmmm
 
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Yes, they could have given out a Mayday call but in the HF radio environment the aircraft was operating in, not very likely. To have a better understanding of HF radio operations, usually once the ATC tells you to call an air traffic agency on HF, they normally state the primary and secondary frequencies to use and then followed by a SELCAL check.

So what that means is that the crew will then manually dial in the primary and secondary frequencies on the HF radio and then there is usually a "ding dong" audio chime and the call light on the HF radio lights up signalling that the SELCAL check is okay. From that point onwards, the crew usually removes their headsets and stay on "SELCAL". So you don't have to actively listen to ATC radio transmissions and if the ATC wanted to talk to you, they would SELCAL you first, at which point you either put on your headset again or you could use a handset (not headset) for transmitting and the overhead speakers to listen to them.

Once on SELCAL, the crew will tone down the HF radio (too much static usually) and then actively listen out via the overhead speakers on VHF emergency frequency on one of the VHF radios and either company frequency or a chatter frequency on the other VHF radio. Chatter frequencies to be used for that area are published on the navigation charts.

The VHF emergency frequency is for monitoring other aircraft in distress or for you to make a Mayday call to alert other aircraft in the vicinity. The chatter frequency is for any and all aircraft in that vicinity to broadcast any significant weather or other information that is considered useful to other aircraft in the vicinity.

So in this scenario, the crew could have made a Mayday call on the emergency VHF frequency or even to ATC on HF but there are no reports that other aircraft in the vicinity at that time or ATC ever heard the Mayday call. Or that the situation was so catastrophic that the crew couldn't make one.
 
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Corto Maltese said:
Laura said:

Well the number of "high profile" personalities on board of this flight is quite astounding, it is not at all impossible that somebody from this flight needed to be disposed off...

Or that could be a very convenient way for 'important' people on board to 'disappear' and get to a 'safe' place (underground?)?? Some of the victims could totally be willing to be 'disposed of' that way?
 
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This sounds like more attempts to come up with a reason why the plane could have gone down that would NEVER have been considered before. Only now when there is no other reason (according to them) do they consider such things.

Air France says warned of icing problem a year ago

Sat Jun 6, 2009 6:18pm EDT

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE5551WM20090606

PARIS (Reuters) - Air France began changing airspeed sensors on Airbus long-haul aircraft due to icing fears five weeks before the crash of flight 447, but only after failing to agree a fix with Airbus, it said on Saturday.

Investigators said earlier the stricken A330 had sent out an airspeed error message before crashing into the Atlantic last Monday and that similar problems had been noticed before.

In a statement, the airline said it begun noticing airspeed problems from icing on both A330 and A340 planes in May 2008 and had requested a solution from Airbus, the manufacturer.

According to Air France, Airbus proposed testing different sensors despite earlier doubting they would resolve the problem, but that the airline declined to wait and started changing them from April 27. Airbus was not immediately available to comment.

(2) Airbus recommended that airlines change Air Speed sensors because of ice problem; but it was not deemed a Safety issue

Airbus A330 has history of airspeed problems

June 6, 2009

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090606/ts_nm/us_france_plane_airspeed

PARIS (Reuters) – Airbus has faced problems with the speed sensors on its A330 aircraft dating back to at least 2001, forcing changes in equipment as well as the pilot's flight manual, according to regulatory documents.

An automated error message from the flightdeck pointing to discrepancies in airspeed data is among a handful of clues available so far to experts investigating last week's crash of an Air France A330 in an Atlantic storm that killed 228 people.

France's chief crash investigator said on Saturday airspeed problems had arisen on the same type of plane before but stressed it was too soon to say if these were to blame for the crash and added the plane was still safe to fly.

Airbus confirmed on Saturday it had recommended before the crash that airlines change speed sensors called pitot probes. But it said it was an optional move based only on performance rather than concerns about safety, which would be mandatory.

Operators have however been warned in the past of unsafe conditions resulting from potential ice damage to the sensitive probes fixed to the fuselage, according to online filings.

In 2001, France reported several cases of sudden fluctuation of A330 or A340 airspeed data during severe icing conditions, according to the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration.

"Lost or erroneous airspeed indications could result in lack of sufficient information for the flight crew to safely operate the airplane, and consequent inadvertent excursions outside the normal flight envelope," the FAA wrote in a 2001 summary.

Airbus was ordered as a result to update the cockpit manual. On Thursday, following the crash, Airbus issued a reminder to pilots on procedures in the event of speed discrepancies.

The plane which crashed was an A330-200, the newer of two variants of the A330 wide-body twinjet. It was built in 2005.

In 2002, operators of the A330-300 sister model had been ordered to upgrade speed sensors, again because of problems in extreme weather, according to a directive issued in Australia.

The pitot probes, angular tubes sticking out from the side of the aircraft, measure speed based on pressure but their measurements can be halted or skewed if they become blocked.

Two companies manufacture sensors suitable for the A330, France's Thales and U.S.-based Goodrich.

A spokeswoman for Thales, which supplied the sensors on the crashed aircraft, said on Friday it was premature to speculation whether they were linked to the crash pending the investigation.

France's weather office said on Saturday the equatorial storm in the plane's path was severe but "not exceptional."

This last comment above can be translated as: "hundreds of similar and smaller jets have flown this same route through similar and worse conditions and they NEVER had a problem".

(3) Airspeed instruments were not replaced on the Air France plane that crashed


2 bodies, ticket found near Air France crash site

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/brazil_plane

RECIFE, Brazil – Searchers found two bodies and the first confirmed debris — a briefcase containing an Air France Flight 447 ticket — in the Atlantic Ocean near where the jetliner is believed to have crashed, a Brazil military official said Saturday.

The French agency investigating the disaster, meanwhile, said airspeed instruments were not replaced as the maker recommended before the plane disappeared in turbulent weather nearly a week ago during a flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris with 228 people aboard.

All were killed, the world's worst commercial air accident since 2001, and Air France's deadliest plane crash.

The bodies of two male passengers were recovered Saturday morning about 70 kilometers (45 miles) south of where Air France Flight 447 emitted its last signals — roughly 400 miles (640 kilometers) northeast of the Fernando de Noronha islands off Brazil's northern coast.

Brazilian air force spokesman Col. Jorge Amaral said an Air France ticket was found inside a leather briefcase.


"It was confirmed with Air France that the ticket number corresponds to a passenger on the flight," he said.

Admiral Edison Lawrence said the bodies were being transported to the Fernando de Noronha islands for identification. A backpack with a laptop and a vaccination card also was recovered.

The finds could potentially establish a more precise search area for the crucial black box flight recorders that could tell investigators why the jet crashed.

Finding the flight data and voice recorders, however, is not the concern of the Brazilian searchers, who don't have the deepwater submersibles needed to find the black boxes. Those are being provided by France.

"The black box is not the responsibility of this operation, the aim of which is the search for survivors, bodies and debris — in that sequence of priority," said Air Force Col. Henry Munhoz.

The discovery of the bodies and debris gave relief to some family members, many of whom gathered in a hotel in Rio, where they've received constant updates about the search.

Others, however, refused to give up on the chance for survivors.

"We're shaken, but we still have hope," Sonia Gagliano, whose grandson Lucas Gagliano was an air steward on the flight, told the O Globo newspaper. "He was a young boy, just 23 years old, and he spoke eight languages. I'm in a complete daze with all this."

Investigators have been searching a zone of several hundred square miles (square kilometers) for debris. A blue plane seat with a serial number on it has been recovered, but officials were still trying to confirm with Air France that it was a seat belonging to Flight 477.

The French accident investigation agency, BEA, found the plane received inconsistent airspeed readings from different instruments as it struggled in a massive thunderstorm.

The investigation is increasingly focused on whether external instruments may have iced over, confusing speed sensors and leading computers to set the plane's speed too fast or slow — a potentially deadly mistake in severe turbulence.


Airbus recommended that all its airline customers replace instruments that help measure speed and altitude, known as Pitot tubes, on the A330, the model used for Flight 447, said Paul-Louis Arslanian, the head of the agency.

"They hadn't yet been replaced" on the plane that crashed, said Alain Bouillard, head of the French investigation.

Air France issued a statement Saturday saying it began replacing the monitors on the Airbus A330 model on April 27 after an improved version became available.

The statement stressed the recommendation to change the monitor "allows the operator full freedom to totally, partially or not at all apply it." When safety is at issue, the aircraft maker puts out a mandatory service bulletin followed up by an airworthiness directive, not a recommendation.

The Air France statement said that icing of the monitors at high altitude has led at times to loss of needed flying information, but only a "small number" of incidents linked to the monitors had been reported.

Air France has already replaced the Pitots on another Airbus model, the 320, after its pilots reported similar problems with the instrument, according to an Air France air safety report filed by pilots in January and obtained by The Associated Press.

The report followed an incident in which an Air France flight from Tokyo to Paris reported problems with its airspeed indicators similar to those believed to have been encountered by Flight 447. In that case, the Pitot tubes were found to have been blocked by ice.

The same report says Air France decided to increase the inspection frequency for its A330 and A340 jets' Pitot tubes, but that it had been waiting for a recommendation from Airbus before installing new Pitots.

Arslanian of the BEA cautioned that it is too early to draw conclusions about the role of Pitot tubes in the crash, saying that "it does not mean that without replacing the Pitots that the A330 was dangerous."

He told a news conference at the agency's headquarters near Paris that the crash of Flight 447 does not mean similar planes are unsafe, adding that he told family members not to worry about flying.

As part of their investigation, officials are relying on 24 messages the plane sent automatically during the last minutes of the flight.

The signals show the plane's autopilot was not on, officials said, but it was not clear if the autopilot had been switched off by the pilots or had stopped working because it received conflicting airspeed readings.

The flight disappeared nearly four hours after takeoff.

The head of France's weather forecasting agency, Alain Ratier, said weather conditions at the time of the flight were not exceptional for the time of the year and region, which is known for violent stormy weather.

On Thursday, European plane maker Airbus sent an advisory to all operators of the A330 reminding them of how to handle the plane in conditions similar to those experienced by Flight 447.

Peter Goelz, a former managing director of the National Transportation Safety Board, said that advisory and the Air France memo about replacing flight-speed instruments "certainly raises questions about whether the Pitot tubes, which are critical to the pilot's understanding of what's going on, were operating effectively."

Arslanian said it is vital to locate a small beacon called a "pinger" that should be attached to the cockpit voice and data recorders, now presumed to be deep in the Atlantic.

"We have no guarantee that the pinger is attached to the recorders," he said.

Holding up a pinger in the palm of his hand, he said: "This is what we are looking for in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean."

As someone already mentioned, the air france ticket in the briefcase story is kind of suspicious and reminiscent of 911. I mean, if they found that then the chances are that they would find lots more debris of one description or another. If you were going to plant evidence at the scene, and in the absence of other corroborating evidence (like plane parts!), you wanted to maximise the value of that evidence in supporting the claim that the air france plane really did crash into the water, what better evidence than a verified ticket of a passenger on the flight!

It's just too snug to fit!
 
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Perceval said:
As someone already mentioned, the air france ticket in the briefcase story is kind of suspicious and reminiscent of 911. I mean, if they found that then the chances are that they would find lots more debris of one description or another. If you were going to plant evidence at the scene, and in the absence of other corroborating evidence (like plane parts!), you wanted to maximise the value of that evidence in supporting the claim that the air france plane really did crash into the water, what better evidence than a verified ticket of a passenger on the flight!

Whatever about a passport floating down from the pulverised twin towers, an identifiable airline ticket being recovered from the middle of the Atlantic ocean is definitely fishy. Talk about a needle in a haystack!
 
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I heard days ago from a pilot of the airbus 330 that there are gauges that measure velocity via reading pressures at different points on the plane. He said that these gauges have failed while he was personally piloting the plane. I am told that this was a known problem on the 320's but was not an admitted problemon the 330. If these gauges fail and the pilot has no visual way to know his speed, it is conceivable a plane could slow down to the point where it simply drops out of the sky.

A friend of mine who is knowledgable about planes and I were talking. I mentioned that this does not explain why the wreckage is spread out so much, and he said that the pilot would certainly feel the plane dropping, and in trying to regain control, could stress tha plane past its structural limits causing it to break up. The new stories he read implied that some investigators were theorizing several lightning strikes in a row, so all of this does not explain away the fact some kind of strange electrical event happened.
 
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Well I like to bring some info into the mix. Personally I think this flight did hit a meteor and broke apart. Also I don’t see why the meteor had to be of much significant size to take down the plane. It could have been several peaces that kinda acted like a shotgun. And for the argument of that the possibility of such event occurring is almost zero, I say that it may be highly improbable but it is not impossible. And improbable things must and do occur “once in a lifetime”. Just take a look at this video of a visual representation of air traffic worldwide in 24 hours. It gives a good visual to Perceval’s post on the earth/plane surface area coverage.

__http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geDGTFdUpEQ&feature=related

Also on a personal note, although I don’t think I have mentioned previously, where I live, Vancouver BC, I have heard significant aerial explosions for the past several months. At first I thought they might be thunder storms, but after hearing them on clear sunny days, and clear nights, I am pretty sure they are not thunder. Also they are increasing in frequency and amount.

I guess the reason I am posting now is because of an incident that happened locally last night. Last night at around 1:00 am the power to our area went out. It was fairly local as I could see from my house the major core of Vancouver still had electricity. This morning I checked the local news and lo and behold several stories of interest.

__http://www.news1130.com/news/local/more.jsp?content=20090608_154418_7948

__http://www.news1130.com/news/local/more.jsp?content=20090607_113011_7244

__http://www.news1130.com/more.jsp?content=20090608_141709_9260

Now, I am not making a direct connection between the stories or my power outage, but given the current state of things they sure are interesting.
 
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Mrs.Tigersoap said:
Corto Maltese said:
Laura said:

Well the number of "high profile" personalities on board of this flight is quite astounding, it is not at all impossible that somebody from this flight needed to be disposed off...

Or that could be a very convenient way for 'important' people on board to 'disappear' and get to a 'safe' place (underground?)?? Some of the victims could totally be willing to be 'disposed of' that way?

http://www.sundayherald.com/international/shinternational/display.var.2512885.0.0.php Key figures in global battle against illegal arms trade lost in Air France crash

Those 2 might be considered disposable people in some circles.
 
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A Brazilian reader writes to Sott:

Early in the morning today (8th June 2009) I saw here in Brazil, an interview (at Record television network) with a native from the archipelago of Fernando de Noronha stating he saw strange lights in the night of the disaster with the Air France Jet.

He declared seeing a light (white bright) and later it changed directions several times and changed to red color.

Who knows a UFO could hit the plane? Something to explore and muse about.
 
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I just throw these in to the soup to keep it brewing:

The weather was not the main factor for the crash according the report: _http://www.weathergraphics.com/tim/af447/ And if the weather was really bad the crew would not have flown the plane in.

Then there is that pitot tube theory which I don't buy. In this scenario the pitot tubes froze up and consequently brought the plane down. My hunch is that this explanation is a diversion for the general public consumption.

The vertical stabilizer has been found in the sea in one piece with fin in place, which hints that the plane disintegrated in the air. And the debris area seems to be wide which also supports that the plane didn't come down in one piece.

I'm just a layman but it seems logical to me that something forceful hit the plane unexpectedly. But what was it? Here are my guesses in a probability order, highest to lowest: a supernatural weather phenomena, a meteor outburst, a bomb, a weapon, a ufo. The supernatural weather phenomena is my favorite. It may very well be related to a ripped dimensional curtain. Maybe something slipped through the curtain to this side and the plane hit it! It sounds quite a wild idea though.
 

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Kasimir said:
I'm just a layman but it seems logical to me that something forceful hit the plane unexpectedly. But what was it? Here are my guesses in a probability order, highest to lowest: a supernatural weather phenomena, a meteor outburst, a bomb, a weapon, a ufo. The supernatural weather phenomena is my favorite. It may very well be related to a ripped dimensional curtain. Maybe something slipped through the curtain to this side and the plane hit it! It sounds quite a wild idea though.


My first thought was similar to your favorite - that some kind of very violent and unusual weather phenomenon occurred, possibly tied in some way to global cooling.
 
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I think whatever is on the black box, is being kept under wraps.

The various conflicting stories about the search for the black box are for me what stands out the most, and the thing that doesn't make sense at all. As with all these types of speculations (like 911 as well), the specialists will be best equipped to separate the horse hockey from the rest (like the physicists and metal fatigue engineers in 911). But as with doctors who risk their careers denouncing vaccines, so I imagine anyone in the aviation or marine world risk a lot calling foul here. From a whistle blower's point of view, this obviously pales in significance to something like 911. It's not like one country is going to invade another because of this, so why risk it.

I remember some time after Argentina's president (EDIT: oops! I mean Brazil's president) announced "a country who can find oil 6000 meters down below, can surely find a plane (or a black box with a homing device for that matter) 2000 meters down below", I read an article (which I can't find now) which said France is calling in the help of other nations (US, if I recall correctly) to help in the search, because Brazil is too ill equipped to handle this. This was the first red light for me. "Get out there before they retrieve the black box!" And you don't have to be a specialist to smell a rat here. The technology for surveying the seabed is so advanced these days, that a depth of 2-3 km shouldn't be a problem I think, especially if it's transmitting a signal as to it's exact location. Hardly a "needle in a haystack", to use their overused idiom.

I think whatever the pilots were saying to one another, will reveal something they are not going to disclose. In a couple of years from now they will make an 'Aircrash Investigation' episode with some elaborate 3D and 'specialists' telling us what happened.

This article is a good example of the search for the black box not making any sense:

Air France Searchers Find 3 Bodies; U.S. Navy to Help

_http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aktwfm9fe0NY

Brazilian officials said a French submarine steaming toward the crash site will search for the plane’s flight-data recorders, known as black boxes. The recorders, made by Honeywell International Inc., have water-activated “pingers” that run for 30 days and remain intact as deep as 3.8 miles, about twice that of the place where the wreckage is located.

So 7 days after the crash a French submarine is steaming toward the crash site. Obviously it's a problem if the Brazilian Navy, or any other surrounding country's navy attempts to recover the black boxes (except of cause the US Navy)...
 
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And now this, coincidence anyone? Why would they do this now? Pretty blatant if you ask me.

Military Hush-Up: Incoming Space Rocks Now Classified

By Leonard David
SPACE.com's Space Insider Columnist
10 June 2009

For 15 years, scientists have benefited from data gleaned by U.S. classified satellites of natural fireball events in Earth's atmosphere – but no longer.

A recent U.S. military policy decision now explicitly states that observations by hush-hush government spacecraft of incoming bolides and fireballs are classified secret and are not to be released
, SPACE.com has learned.

The satellites' main objectives include detecting nuclear bomb tests, and their characterizations of asteroids and lesser meteoroids as they crash through the atmosphere has been a byproduct data bonanza for scientists.

The upshot: Space rocks that explode in the atmosphere are now classified.


Especially space rocks that take out commercial air craft
"It's baffling to us why this would suddenly change," said one scientist familiar with the work. "It's unfortunate because there was this great synergy...a very good cooperative arrangement. Systems were put into dual-use mode where a lot of science was getting done that couldn't be done any other way. It's a regrettable change in policy."

Scientists say not only will research into the threat from space be hampered, but public understanding of sometimes dramatic sky explosions will be diminished, perhaps leading to hype and fear of the unknown.

Incoming!

Most "shooting stars" are caused by natural space debris no larger than peas. But routinely, rocks as big as basketballs and even small cars crash into the atmosphere. Most vaporize or explode on the way in, but some reach the surface or explode above the surface. Understandably, scientists want to know about these events so they can better predict the risk here on Earth.

Yet because the world is two-thirds ocean, most incoming objects aren't visible to observers on the ground. Many other incoming space rocks go unnoticed because daylight drowns them out.

Over the last decade or so, hundreds of these events have been spotted by the classified satellites. Priceless observational information derived from the spacecraft were made quickly available, giving researchers such insights as time, a location, height above the surface, as well as light-curves to help pin down the amount of energy churned out from the fireballs.


And in the shaky world we now live, it's nice to know that a sky-high detonation is natural versus a nuclear weapon blast.

Hmmm....interesting. Now that it will be harder for scientists to know what is what, it will be easier for governments to claim a meteorite impact as a bomb.

Where the space-based surveillance truly shines is over remote stretches of ocean – far away from the prospect of ground-based data collection.

But all that ended within the last few months, leaving scientists blind-sided and miffed by the shift in policy. The hope is that the policy decision will be revisited and overturned.

Critical importance

"The fireball data from military or surveillance assets have been of critical importance for assessing the impact hazard
," said David Morrison, a Near Earth Object (NEO) scientist at NASA's Ames Research Center. He noted that his views are his own, not as a NASA spokesperson.

The size of the average largest atmospheric impact from small asteroids is a key piece of experimental data to anchor the low-energy end of the power-law distribution of impactors, from asteroids greater than 6 miles (10 kilometers) in diameter down to the meter scale, Morrison told SPACE.com.

"These fireball data together with astronomical observations of larger near-Earth asteroids define the nature of the impact hazard and allow rational planning to deal with this issue," Morrison said.

Morrison said that fireball data are today playing additional important roles.

As example, the fireball data together with infrasound allowed scientists to verify the approximate size and energy of the unique Carancas impact in the Altiplano -- on the Peru-Bolivia border -- on Sept. 15, 2007.

Fireball information also played an important part in the story of the small asteroid 2008 TC3, Morrison said. That was the first-ever case of the astronomical detection of a small asteroid before it hit last year. The fireball data were key for locating the impact point and the subsequent recovery of fragments from this impact.

Link in public understanding

Astronomers are closing in on a years-long effort to find most of the potentially devastating large asteroids in our neck of the cosmic woods, those that could cause widespread regional or global devastation. Now they plan to look for the smaller stuff.

So it is ironic that the availability of these fireball data should be curtailed just at the time the NEO program is moving toward surveying the small impactors that are most likely to be picked up in the fireball monitoring program, Morrision said.


"Ironic"? Not at all! It's pure COINCIDENCE when considered along with the demise of the air france flight!

"These data have been available to the scientific community for the past decade," he said. "It is unfortunate this information is shut off just when it is becoming more valuable to the community interested in characterizing near Earth asteroids and protecting our planet from asteroid impacts."

The newly issued policy edict by the U.S. military of reporting fireball observations from satellites also caught the attention of Clark Chapman, a planetary scientist and asteroid impact expert at Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colorado.

"I think that this information is very important to make public," Chapman told SPACE.com.

"More important than the scientific value, I think, is that these rare, bright fireballs provide a link in public understanding to the asteroid impact hazard posed by still larger and less frequent asteroids
," Chapman explained.

Those objects are witnessed by unsuspecting people in far-flung places, Chapman said, often generating incorrect and exaggerated reports.

"The grounding achieved by associating these reports by untrained observers with the satellite measurements is very useful for calibrating the observer reports and closing the loop with folks who think they have seen something mysterious and extraordinary," Chapman said.
 
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Perceval said:
And now this, coincidence anyone? Why would they do this now? Pretty blatant if you ask me.

I couldn't agree with you more. The fact that they had not implemented this policy previously might indicate that someone was caught a bit unaware. To do so now is not only a giant neon pointing finger at what brought down Air France 447, but also indicative of a strong sense of lack of control over the situation on the part of the PTB. They don't think they can keep a lid on it anymore, and I think that they thought they had more time -- seems like some internal scrambling is going on. Usually a sense of lack of control results in more clamping down. If that's the case here, it's quite interesting that they're 'catching up' with policy as opposed to laying it down years beforehand, as they usually do.

Has a little unscheduled (to the PTB) 'speeding up' of the course of events taken place for which they are compensating with this new policy? It sure seems like a big piece of the control of information mechanism that they left wide open there, until now. I just find it interesting since they have so many angles so nailed down, and for so long, that they'd just leave this one to the last minute...
 
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As the Cs said in the first session this year:

Session 3 Jan 2009 said:
Q: (L) There was something else I wanted to ask also... Oh yeah! We did an I Ching for the year 2009. Basically it's "Biting Through", that once you've got the bite in your mouth, you've got to chew it. So, I was wondering if you had any comments on the year ahead?

A: Biting Through may apply more to those who are unprepared.

Q: (L) Unprepared in what sense?

A: 2009 is going to be a "smashing" year.

Q: (L) Swell. (J) Comets.

A: Maybe one...?
 
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