Algerian and Morrocan Descendants and Immigrant Protests/Riots in France

[Ca.]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1675044298767704064

I have an honest question, and it's going to sound dumb and sarcastic but I truly from the bottom of my heart don't mean it that way but,

At what point do we see the complete decline of the west, America where I am, France, Germany, Australia, UK... Migrant crisis, open borders, inflation, recession, moral decline, pedophilia, sexual degeneracy, lgbtq, race tensions, corrupt politicians, corporations, pharmaceutical companies run amok, endless wars abroad, rampant crime, failing public education and college, job market, etc, etc...

At what point do we see ALL of this and stop ignoring it, stop pretending that even though it may not be in YOUR little slice of heaven YET that it's not real? When do we realize that we are 3rd world countries with a pretty coat of paint?

When do we actually look at China, Iran, Russia, and others we spent our lives criticizing and ask what are they doing that we aren't? What can we learn and emulate? Are we so prideful to think as we flail and sink that those who thrive have nothing to teach us? How long do we let a handful of elites and corporations in each country in the west destroy us all as they hoard everything for themselves?

It's amazing truly.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1674748569264312320

- Nearly 500 public buildings burnt down.
- 667 people arrested.
- 249 police officers and gendarmes injured.
- 40,000 police and gendarmes deployed including the Raid, the BRI
and the GIGN
- level of violence higher than the riots of 2005 according to the Interior

https://twitter.com/x/status/1675131310203871232

https://twitter.com/x/status/1675123190027243520

 

[MK Scarlett]

This is not a 'Yellow Vest' movement. It's an urban minority of the French population that is rioting, burning and looting. This is on par with the George Floyd riots in the US in the summer of 2020. In this case, however, the police really did go too far by shooting dead a 17-year-old for not obeying a traffic stop.

We all learned here that things are often not as they seem to be, right?

Perlou shared previously a link to an article in French. Hereafter what the article says, in English. I share it here because it provides a little different sound of what happened, or at least that it was not just a "the police really did go too far by shooting dead a 17-year-old for not obeying a traffic stop". [In brackets and blue, added of mines.] Some might be disagree with me on the following, but I thought I had to share it.

[Riots] A policeman's honor

A man's life can change in a quarter of a second. If only we could estimate, in the history of mankind, what is, on the one hand, the sole will of men, and on the other, chance, fatality or the will of the gods or God! That morning, Nahel would not have decided to get behind the wheel of a luxury car, without insurance, without a license. [He was 17 years old and should certainly not have been - and not for the first time, apprently - driving a Mercedes-Benz A45 AMG, a powerful car with 518 hp. How could such a vehicle, with an estimated value of around 60,000 euros, have been used by an unlicensed minor? Some say it was a rent, and what? One can ask: How could he rent it without a license?] Quite simply, he wouldn't have made a nuisance of himself by breaking the speed limit and potentially endangering pedestrians. [What if the car had hit a pedestrian woman with her child, going to school? One would have said that policemen chasing him could/should have stop the car before that happened, no?] The two national police motorcyclists would have gone on duty five minutes later, or worse, would have decided to let the car go in a "what's the point!" that would have been hardly surprising in the legal context we know. The other policeman would have been in the front line in front of the car door, not the one who fired the shot. Etc. We can lose ourselves ad infinitum in the tree of causes that lead, in a quarter of a second, to tragedy and the overturning of the lives of two men. One in death, the other in the hell that his life will undoubtedly become from now on. His professional, social and family life. His life as a man, quite simply.[They are people like you and me, and they have children, sorry if I seem a bit disagree with "the police really did go too far by shooting dead a 17-year-old for not obeying a traffic stop.", because course of events might not be exactly as they are told to us.]

We've heard a lot about young Nahel, the "little angel", as Mbappé calls him. Santo subito! [He is known to the judicial authorities for traffic offences, with fifteen entries in the criminal records file, although this does not appear on his criminal record: in fact, he has never been the subject of a court conviction. Between 2021 and 2023, he is also implicated five times for alleged refusals to yield to traffic, and in February 2022 for used of false number plates, concealment and driving without insurance. In January and March 2023, he again had to deal with the police for consumption and sale of narcotics.] But what do we really know about the policeman? A former soldier [he was in Afghanistant], he has been decorated several times and praised for his acts of courage and dedication. On June 28, Prefect Nuñez spoke on CNews of "a seasoned police brigadier who had the confidence of his superiors". Words to cover up "systemic" police violence, according to the well-honed discourse of the far left. Words like those of Mbappé, who undoubtedly knew Nahel like you and me. Except that Prefect Nuñez, a former Macronist minister that he is, is obviously relying on words taken from a professional file. A ten-year career gives you a good idea of the professional and human qualities of a police officer.

Then there's the video. A damning one, we're told at first glance [and it's true that when one looks at it, one thinks, he shot him, period]. Laurent-Franck Liénard, the policeman's lawyer, gave his client's version on CNews on Thursday June 29: "My client wanted to shoot him in the legs [Maybe to prevent him to go further with the powerful car, that the two police motorcyclists had been, apparently, chasing in streets of Nanterre at high speed for 20 minutes, see the second article below], but the car pushed him and brought the gun up." [This makes sense to me, I mean how can we, from a single video get the whole story/context?] The camera gives us the "panoramic" view of the drama. Not the policeman's vision in that quarter of a second when he decides to fire.

Is it indecent, then, to say that everything has changed for a policeman who now finds himself in prison, having previously followed a path of service between the army and the police, and whose job was to arrest delinquents and criminals so that they could go to prison? Is it indecent to assert that everything is turning upside down for a family who had nothing to do with it, and who will undoubtedly have to move, change their lives, confront material, social and moral difficulties for which they were unprepared, with a possible suspension of treatment at the end of the day? Le Figaro reports that the school of the policeman's child and his wife have been placed under surveillance. [...] Readers can answer all these questions for themselves.

Another article published in Le Figaro on June 29th, backs to the details of the chase:

Nahel's death: a minute-by-minute account of the chase

At a press conference, the Nanterre public prosecutor [the very same who ordered the imprisonment of the police officer who fired the shot] detailed the steps that led the officer to shoot the fleeing youth.

It was 7:55 a.m. on Tuesday June 27, when a canary-yellow Mercedes A-Class [it was more precisely a Mercedes-Benz Classe A (Type 177) AMG] on boulevard Jacques Germain Soufflot in Nanterre, with Polish license plates, burst onto the roadway and sped off into the bus lane. Two motorcyclists from the Hauts-de-Seine territorial traffic and road safety company immediately gave chase. They made a first attempt to intercept it, activating their flashing lights, but without success. The officials reached the driver's window at a traffic light, but the driver refused to submit to the control, hastily starting off again while the light was still red.

Pedestrian and cyclist endangered

At the wheel were 17-year-old Nahel, already known for a recent refusal to yield, and two other youngsters, probably underage. The two motorcyclists continued the chase along several roads, crossing the Droits de l'Homme traffic circle, rue Pablo Neruda, rue des Trois Fontanot and finally boulevard de Pesaro, where they again activated their flashing lights, to no avail. It was 8.16 a.m. when the two officers radioed their colleagues to inform them of the situation. During its escape, the vehicle infringed several traffic regulations, crossing a crosswalk and endangering a passer-by and a cyclist.

The Mercedes was finally forced to stop at Boulevard de la Défense, blocked by traffic jams. [Would the young Nahel - driving without a license because he is not old enough to have one - have stopped if the traffic hadn't forced him to do so?] The two officers on motorcycles put their feet down, the first on the side, the second at the rear of the vehicle, then drew their service weapons to dissuade them from starting up again. They "claim to have shouted at the driver to stop", continues Pascal Prache, the Nanterre public prosecutor.

Wound to chest and arm

Ignoring the policeman's injunctions, Nahel relit the engine and started off again, prompting the policeman on the left wing to fire at him once. The car continued on its way for a few meters at Passage Arago, before crashing into some street furniture in Place Nelson Mandela at 8.19 am. While the shooter administered first aid, reinforcements and firefighters arrived on the scene at 8:21. They tried to resuscitate him, but it was already too late. Nahel, 17, shot in the arm and chest, died of his injuries at 9.15am.

Shocked, the rear passenger got out of the vehicle and was immediately arrested. The second passenger fled the scene. He is still being actively sought. Taken into custody by the IGPN, the officer who fired the shot, described by his superiors as "highly professional", justified his action "by the will to prevent the vehicle from fleeing again, the dangerous nature of the driver's driving behaviour, which led the officer to fear that someone would be hit, or the fear of being hit by the vehicle". However, the public prosecutor considered that "the legal conditions for the use of the weapon" had "not been met". He requested that he be charged with voluntary manslaughter and remanded in custody.

He died, and it is trully upsetting, but his actions led him to a tragedy, as actions have consequences. He made a choice, and his choice to not comply with police orders led to a drama. Why was he driving a powerful car -and most likely it was not the first time- being 17 years old and then under the age of possessing a driver's license? In France,

If you're driving without a license, it's a misdemeanor: an act prohibited by law and punishable by a fine and/or imprisonment of up to 10 years. The same applies if you drive a vehicle for which you do not have the corresponding license. Source

And:

Underage driving is equivalent to driving without a license. The penalty can be up to €15,000 and a year's imprisonment. Source

Why was not he put in jail for his previous drives without licenses in the first place? Maybe the answer lies behind the "no ripples" mantra from the French Government, joyfully supported by the far left.

Speaking of the far left, at the white march (which was anything but white, I watched it all along), Nahel's mother was in an open truck with other people, and who was standing just behind her? Assa Traoré, Adama Traoré's sister, a far-left and anti-racist activist probably well known to French forumites, a muse of the Woke culture in France.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1674394225473994756

Translation:
#Nanterre #Marcheblanche Assa Traoré at the front of the float with Nahel's mother. She harangues the crowd: "We're going to show them that we're the force". @sudouest

One can see how "white" this march was: looks like more of a demonstration to me. In the video below, look from 0:38 to 1:06 to note how well everything is arranged only two days after the death of young Nahel [flocked t-shirts, banners...]:

I've -finally- found the whole "white march"/demonstration well organized video, and one can see Assa Traoré at 17:05 exactly, wearing a black T-shirt bearing the image of her brother Adama and taking a selfie:

Assa Traoré was recently (on April 2023) sentenced on appeal for defamation (she had accused a policewoman of lying in the investigation into her brother's death). Why do you think Assa Traoré was singled out by "Time" magazine?

On its Twitter account this Friday morning, Time published a front page dedicated to her, in which the Frenchwoman and all anti-racist activists are described as "Guardians of the Year 2020". TIME - SOURCE

In case someone is interested in reading this article (in French) published in 2020:

"Antifa", "decolonials", "indigenous"... the troubling nebula of the Traoré committee​

A movement [the Traoré committee] that, alongside the far left, is waging an increasingly political battle with a discourse of identity and victimhood that is increasingly assertive. "It's important to make strong alliances," said Assa Traoré, head of the committee, at a demonstration in 2018. In Africa, they overthrow the president, they get into the palace. It happens like that in Africa, why shouldn't it happen like that in France? We're ready, we can make a beautiful revolution."

The police officer was sent in custody on June 29th, 2023, "an extremely rare decision in this type of case". Something had to be done to try to calm down the suburb population/teenagers eager to loot and make a mess wherever they can, with a strong feeling of impunity, thanks to the Government "no ripples" mantra.
Guess what: It changed nothing.
If they had not charged the policeman, it would have gone wild. They charged him, it went wild. It was just the event that forces at work in the background were waiting for to push forward one of their agendas: to bring France to its knees, by any means necessary. That's my oponion anyway.

 

[Esote]

'Is France on the brink of a civil war?'

What is happening now with these riots doesn't reach more than ninety percent of the French territory.
It is restricted mostly to the main urban areas.
And so how could it spray everywhere, when most people are not directly concerned, except by the medias and their usual buzz ?
Rather, France may be on the brink of more restrictions on liberty etc.
There is no reason for a civil war, AFAIK

 

[MK Scarlett]

What is happening now with these riots doesn't reach more than ninety percent of the French territory.
It is restricted mostly to the main urban areas.
And so how could it spray everywhere, when most people are not directly concerned, except by the medias and their usual buzz ?
Rather, France may be on the brink of more restrictions on liberty etc.
There is no reason for a civil war, AFAIK

Mostly restricted to the main urban areas, but maybe not for long:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1674923634169708546

Pithiviers: a farmer drives his tractor through the flames to save his burnt-out field #emeutes

Residents of this small rural town of 9,000 inhabitants are thinking of the youngsters who burned cars in the neighborhood on Wednesday night.

 

[MK Scarlett]

Eric Zemmour on what is happening, just said on CNews:

Fearing violence and riots, our leaders chose submission and dishonor.
Today, they have dishonor and guerrilla warfare.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1675179457248624640

And from the Telegram Channel "Restez libre !"

Assessment of the fourth night of riots in France:

2560 fires on public roads
1350 vehicles set on fire
234 buildings set on fire or damaged
1311 people arrested
Nearly 1,000 people arrested and at least 79 law enforcement officers injured.

But Darmanin [French Minister of the Interior] announced that the violence was of a "much lower intensity" than that of the previous night.

 

[Pierre]

"Pontoise (95): Mayor LR Stéphanie Von Euw's car was attacked with a mortar while she was driving, she lost her hearing and had a burnt leg. His family was threatened."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1675078819231694848

 

[Niall]

We all learned here that things are often not as they seem to be, right?

Perlou shared previously a link to an article in French. Hereafter what the article says, in English. I share it here because it provides a little different sound of what happened, or at least that it was not just a "the police really did go too far by shooting dead a 17-year-old for not obeying a traffic stop". [In brackets and blue, added of mines.] Some might be disagree with me on the following, but I thought I had to share it.



Another article published in Le Figaro on June 29th, backs to the details of the chase:



He died, and it is trully upsetting, but his actions led him to a tragedy, as actions have consequences. He made a choice, and his choice to not comply with police orders led to a drama. Why was he driving a powerful car -and most likely it was not the first time- being 17 years old and then under the age of possessing a driver's license? In France,


And:


Why was not he put in jail for his previous drives without licenses in the first place? Maybe the answer lies behind the "no ripples" mantra from the French Government, joyfully supported by the far left.

Speaking of the far left, at the white march (which was anything but white, I watched it all along), Nahel's mother was in an open truck with other people, and who was standing just behind her? Assa Traoré, Adama Traoré's sister, a far-left and anti-racist activist probably well known to French forumites, a muse of the Woke culture in France.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1674394225473994756

One can see how "white" this march was: looks like more of a demonstration to me. In the video below, look from 0:38 to 1:06 to note how well everything is arranged only two days after the death of young Nahel [flocked t-shirts, banners...]:

I've -finally- found the whole "white march"/demonstration well organized video, and one can see Assa Traoré at 17:05 exactly, wearing a black T-shirt bearing the image of her brother Adama and taking a selfie:

Assa Traoré was recently (on April 2023) sentenced on appeal for defamation (she had accused a policewoman of lying in the investigation into her brother's death). Why do you think Assa Traoré was singled out by "Time" magazine?

On its Twitter account this Friday morning, Time published a front page dedicated to her, in which the Frenchwoman and all anti-racist activists are described as "Guardians of the Year 2020". TIME - SOURCE

In case someone is interested in reading this article (in French) published in 2020:


The police officer was sent in custody on June 29th, 2023, "an extremely rare decision in this type of case". Something had to be done to try to calm down the suburb population/teenagers eager to loot and make a mess wherever they can, with a strong feeling of impunity, thanks to the Government "no ripples" mantra.
Guess what: It changed nothing.
If they had not charged the policeman, it would have gone wild. They charged him, it went wild. It was just the event that forces at work in the background were waiting for to push forward one of their agendas: to bring France to its knees, by any means necessary. That's my oponion anyway.

If that's the cop's best defence, then he's still in the wrong. European police normally don't just open fire at unarmed suspects because they're defying arrest or escaping.

 

[Goemon_]

If that's the cop's best defence, then he's still in the wrong. European police normally don't just open fire at unarmed suspects because they're defying arrest or escaping.

I assume you are referring to this part of Mk Scarlett post:

Taken into custody by the IGPN, the officer who fired the shot, described by his superiors as "highly professional", justified his action "by the will to prevent the vehicle from fleeing again, the dangerous nature of the driver's driving behaviour, which led the officer to fear that someone would be hit, or the fear of being hit by the vehicle". However, the public prosecutor considered that "the legal conditions for the use of the weapon" had "not been met". He requested that he be charged with voluntary manslaughter and remanded in custody.

From a France Bleu article:

When can police officers shoot?

The legal framework for the use of weapons during a refusal to comply was made more flexible by a law passed in February 2017, during François Hollande's term of office. Prior to this law, police officers were subject to the same rules as all other French citizens: only legitimate defence, as provided for in the Criminal Code, prevailed. If a police officer felt that his life was in danger, he could use his weapon. From now on, the use of weapons will be governed by an article in the French Internal Security Code. According to a senior police officer told AFP, this text has "widened the scope of use of the police officer's weapon, that's undeniable". Police officers can now use their weapons, particularly when the driver is likely to endanger the lives of others while fleeing. The law stipulates that this must be done "in cases of absolute necessity and in a strictly proportionate manner".

From the Nanterre public prosecutor minute-by-minute account of the chase we read:

Pedestrian and cyclist endangered

At the wheel were 17-year-old Nahel, already known for a recent refusal to yield, and two other youngsters, probably underage. The two motorcyclists continued the chase along several roads, crossing the Droits de l'Homme traffic circle, rue Pablo Neruda, rue des Trois Fontanot and finally boulevard de Pesaro, where they again activated their flashing lights, to no avail. It was 8.16 a.m. when the two officers radioed their colleagues to inform them of the situation. During its escape, the vehicle infringed several traffic regulations, crossing a crosswalk and endangering a passer-by and a cyclist.

This seems a bit more tricky than what you say, IMO.

As far as I understand the policeman argument is:
Nahel had previously endanger the life of citizens, by starting his car for escaping the police he would have likely being a danger to citizen.

Then it all comes down to:

The law stipulates that this must be done "in cases of absolute necessity and in a strictly proportionate manner".

 

[mkrnhr]

It's not very complicated. The teenager is not an angel as proclaimed, he's a petty delinquent. The policeman (the adult in the interaction) on the other hand had his elbows (as far as I can gather from the videos I saw) on the car while pointing his weapon on the suspect, which is stupid, and only asks for an accident to happen. Even after a car chase, professional policemen know how to deescalate the situation and control the car without threats of murder. You threaten anybody with a weapon, especially a teenager, and you risk provoking an irrational response. As for the riots, these ghettos (the press likes to call them cities or suburbs but they are ghettos and the successive governments have wished them to stay that way) are controlled by islamists (therefore by state secret police), drug cartels, and the leftist parties (especially the PS). Many players benefit from the chaos of these riots (which are a French version of BLM with difference that the policeman is of the same ethnic background as the teenager), including those rioters who steal tennis shoes.
A few weeks ago, the French senate gave the French government the legal power of spying on every citizen by remotely accessing smartphones' cameras and microphones. These riots will allow giving the centralized power even more tools to censor and control the population at large.

 

[Pierre]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1675282346616954880

 

[Olivierlejardinier]

Some embers, stirred by digital winds reached Switzerland last night (Source in french):

"
Lausanne: Inspired by the riots in France, rioters attack Le Flon

Inspired by videos posted on social networks, individuals gathered in Flon on Saturday evening. Some damage was caused. Police arrested seven people.

Scenes of urban guerrilla warfare in Lausanne on Saturday evening. Inspired by images of the French riots, individuals gathered in Le Flon, calling for the powder trail lit across the border to be spread. Calls went viral on social networks, including Snapchat and Tiktok.

And the appeal caught on. In the early evening, individuals attacked the Fnac, breaking down the door and attacking the police officers who had come to protect the premises. Witnesses and police reported "over a hundred people", some armed with projectiles, at times facing a handful of motorcycle policemen, protected by their helmets. The Pomp it Up shoe store was also attacked. A shop window was smashed. Other locations were also hit."

 

[sToRmR1dR]

'France is heading to "total shutdown".'

French politician suggests disconnecting social networks during unrest — radio station

Mass disorders erupted in France on June 27 after police shot dead a 17-year-old driver in the Paris suburb of Nanterre who had failed to comply with an order to stop his car

tass.com

2 JUL, 2023

 

[Natus Videre]

'France is heading to "total shutdown".'

Macaroni has many choices:

• Too much smoke and fire? Climate lockdowns!
• Too much organization? Social media lockdowns!
• Too much money? Credit lockdowns!
• Too many weapons? Security lockdowns!
• Too many people? Physical lockdowns!
• All of the above.

Or maybe the anti-riot vaccine will solve the problem!

 

[onemen]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1675282346616954880

this is from the movie "athena" by the way

 

[PERLOU]

Silvano Trotta Officiel

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