Alzheimer and Soul development

[Gaby]

May she rest in peace {{hugs}}

 

[Gertrudes]

May she rest in peace irjO

 

[Nienna]

My condolences, irjO. The fact that she is no longer suffering is good, but I know how there is an empty place in us when someone we care about is no longer there.

 

[ella]

My mother also has an Alzheimer and she is becoming more and more like a child. More often than not she seems to be quite happy, happier than before, she can sing songs for hours. All her life she was not interested in watching TV too much, now she loves watching TV and she believes, that people on the screen can see her. When they smile or wave hands, for example, she smiles or waves back to them as well. She wants to turn the light on, so that they could see her better. Watching her doing that is heartbreaking and also somehow frightening.

The way I see it, the brain is simply a filter through which consciousness expresses itself in our 3D world. We can hypothesize that a healthier brain could be a better vehicle for the growth of the soul, but we also don't know whether choosing a body with a faulty brain, or a brain that is to become faulty isn't part of that person's chosen lesson, therefore part of a set of circumstances created with the intent of growth.

Regarding your question, all in all I don't think so. I don't think that having Alzheimer would affect the soul anymore than having a non Alzheimer brain or lacking a limb. Our bodies and brains are our instruments, the instruments of our soul, not who we are.

Our bodies and brains are only the instruments for the soul, but according to how I understand the knowledge presented here, what happens to these instruments can affect the soul to the great extend. Like when you believe lies, your soul deteriorates, becomes fragmented…

Laura:
The brain is the tool of the spirit and I guess it depends on how you use it while it is functional. It can begin to wear out and stop working and for different people, that takes different modes and happens at different times. So I figure when it happens, the soul is just in the process of withdrawing.

Would that mean, that when the instrument is not functional any longer, the soul have withdrawn enough to not be affected or be much less affected by it (the instrument)?

Because my biggest concern is, what is going to happen to my mother (her soul), after she dies. I think about all these earth bound souls, which are unable to leave and go to 5D. That means, that after death some souls (and perhaps many of them) get confused and lost, they hold to earth 3D awareness.

 

[celtic]

My condolences irjo, I went through the same experience with my grandmother.

Well.. my question is about a little expectations on the esoteric point of view if we talk about souls, sure.. And yeah is hard to answer this kind of things because How do we prove that we Really have souls? We can't.. We can just observe (and experience trough that) of course i think emotions its what Really connect us as humans, and this make me wonder many things in cases like this! :)

Yeah, and I'm thinking the emotional center is the key. If this center were not related to "soul" then it wouldn't make sense to make it such a focus of Work, OSIT.

Sometimes it pains me when I can't find an answer to something, but at least I learn something in the process and have an opportunity to connect with someone via an issue of mutual concern or interest. Thanks for the feedback. :)

Interesting, Thanks for bringing up this point Buddy. It reminds me of a experiment that was done on a group of nuns on May of 2001.

The experiment, called the Nun Study, is considered by experts on aging to be one of the most innovative efforts to answer questions about who gets Alzheimer's disease and why. And now in a new report it is offering insight on a different subject - whether a positive emotional outlook early in life can help people live longer.

"The Nun Study has certainly been pioneering," said Dr. Richard Suzman, chief of demography and population epidemiology at the National Institute on Aging. "It's helped change the paradigm about how people think about aging and Alzheimer's disease."

By studying 678 nuns - at this convent and six others in the order, in Connecticut, Maryland, Texas, Wisconsin, Missouri and Illinois - Dr. David A. Snowdon, an epidemiologist at the University of Kentucky, and colleagues have come up with tantalizing clues and provocative theories over the years.

Their research has shown that folic acid may help stave off Alzheimer's disease; that small, barely perceptible strokes may trigger some dementia; and, in an especially striking finding, that early language ability may be linked to lower risk of Alzheimer's because nuns who packed more ideas into the sentences of their early autobiographies were less likely to get Alzheimer's disease six decades later.

The new report, being published on Monday in The Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, says nuns who expressed more positive emotions in their autobiographies lived significantly longer - in some cases 10 years longer - than those expressing fewer positive emotions.

http://www.neuroanatomy.wisc.edu/selflearn/Nuns&alzheimers.htm

This might also tie into emotional exercise's such as meditation or yoga. That being said it could be something to the fact of too much mental practice and not enough contemplation. I also see a connection from another post I visited regarding Gurdjiieff and his dying gandfather.

Gurdjieff remembers that when his grandfather was dying -- he was only nine years old -- the grandfather called him. He loved the boy very much and he told the boy, "I don't have much to give to you, but departing from the world I would like to give you something. I can only give you one piece of advice that has helped me; it was given to me by my father, and he was also dying when he gave it to me. I am dying. You are too young, you may not be able to understand it right now, but remember, a day will come when you will understand. Whenever you find yourself capable of following my advice, follow it, and you will never be in misery. You can avoid the hell of life."

And what was the advice? Just this sutra -- not exactly in these words. He said to Gurdjieff, "Remember one thing: if you want to do any bad thing, postpone it for tomorrow; and if you want to do something good, do it immediately -- because postponement is a way of not doing. And bad has not to be done, and good has to be done. For example," the old man said, "if somebody insults you and you feel angry, enraged, tell him that you will come after twenty-four hours and answer him."

When you take some time and reflect on your emotions at that given time it gives you time to contemplate. And in that you will have a better emotional output in relations to others. to conclude and answer your question irjo, I think it is the soul that affects alzheimer not the other way around.

 

[Medulin]

While it does not cure the illness, melatonin can help:

_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=melatonin+alzheimer

 

[irjO]

While it does not cure the illness, melatonin can help:

_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=melatonin+alzheimer

I read about it but i prefer avoid it with diet :)

My condolences irjo, I went through the same experience with my grandmother.

Well.. my question is about a little expectations on the esoteric point of view if we talk about souls, sure.. And yeah is hard to answer this kind of things because How do we prove that we Really have souls? We can't.. We can just observe (and experience trough that) of course i think emotions its what Really connect us as humans, and this make me wonder many things in cases like this! :)

Yeah, and I'm thinking the emotional center is the key. If this center were not related to "soul" then it wouldn't make sense to make it such a focus of Work, OSIT.

Sometimes it pains me when I can't find an answer to something, but at least I learn something in the process and have an opportunity to connect with someone via an issue of mutual concern or interest. Thanks for the feedback. :)

Interesting, Thanks for bringing up this point Buddy. It reminds me of a experiment that was done on a group of nuns on May of 2001.

The experiment, called the Nun Study, is considered by experts on aging to be one of the most innovative efforts to answer questions about who gets Alzheimer's disease and why. And now in a new report it is offering insight on a different subject - whether a positive emotional outlook early in life can help people live longer.

"The Nun Study has certainly been pioneering," said Dr. Richard Suzman, chief of demography and population epidemiology at the National Institute on Aging. "It's helped change the paradigm about how people think about aging and Alzheimer's disease."

By studying 678 nuns - at this convent and six others in the order, in Connecticut, Maryland, Texas, Wisconsin, Missouri and Illinois - Dr. David A. Snowdon, an epidemiologist at the University of Kentucky, and colleagues have come up with tantalizing clues and provocative theories over the years.

Their research has shown that folic acid may help stave off Alzheimer's disease; that small, barely perceptible strokes may trigger some dementia; and, in an especially striking finding, that early language ability may be linked to lower risk of Alzheimer's because nuns who packed more ideas into the sentences of their early autobiographies were less likely to get Alzheimer's disease six decades later.

The new report, being published on Monday in The Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, says nuns who expressed more positive emotions in their autobiographies lived significantly longer - in some cases 10 years longer - than those expressing fewer positive emotions.

http://www.neuroanatomy.wisc.edu/selflearn/Nuns&alzheimers.htm

This might also tie into emotional exercise's such as meditation or yoga. That being said it could be something to the fact of too much mental practice and not enough contemplation. I also see a connection from another post I visited regarding Gurdjiieff and his dying gandfather.

Gurdjieff remembers that when his grandfather was dying -- he was only nine years old -- the grandfather called him. He loved the boy very much and he told the boy, "I don't have much to give to you, but departing from the world I would like to give you something. I can only give you one piece of advice that has helped me; it was given to me by my father, and he was also dying when he gave it to me. I am dying. You are too young, you may not be able to understand it right now, but remember, a day will come when you will understand. Whenever you find yourself capable of following my advice, follow it, and you will never be in misery. You can avoid the hell of life."

And what was the advice? Just this sutra -- not exactly in these words. He said to Gurdjieff, "Remember one thing: if you want to do any bad thing, postpone it for tomorrow; and if you want to do something good, do it immediately -- because postponement is a way of not doing. And bad has not to be done, and good has to be done. For example," the old man said, "if somebody insults you and you feel angry, enraged, tell him that you will come after twenty-four hours and answer him."

When you take some time and reflect on your emotions at that given time it gives you time to contemplate. And in that you will have a better emotional output in relations to others. to conclude and answer your question irjo, I think it is the soul that affects alzheimer not the other way around.

Thanks celtic i think is a good point!

 

[Gertrudes]

I'm sorry to hear about your mother jasminum

The way I see it, the brain is simply a filter through which consciousness expresses itself in our 3D world. We can hypothesize that a healthier brain could be a better vehicle for the growth of the soul, but we also don't know whether choosing a body with a faulty brain, or a brain that is to become faulty isn't part of that person's chosen lesson, therefore part of a set of circumstances created with the intent of growth.

Regarding your question, all in all I don't think so. I don't think that having Alzheimer would affect the soul anymore than having a non Alzheimer brain or lacking a limb. Our bodies and brains are our instruments, the instruments of our soul, not who we are.

Our bodies and brains are only the instruments for the soul, but according to how I understand the knowledge presented here, what happens to these instruments can affect the soul to the great extend. Like when you believe lies, your soul deteriorates, becomes fragmented…

True, although believing a lie is the result of making a choice, be that conscious or unconscious, in favor of entropy instead of creation, which tends to feed further entropy both on a 3D level as well as back to the soul level. Developing Alzheimer, on the other hand, may be the end result of being trapped within a system that feeds one's body junk and all manners of toxicity, and that suffocates nearly all our access to knowledge and tools to fight it.

This is by no stretch a simple question and each case is, of course, different. But I wouldn't think that having a body deteriorate, would necessarily relate to a deterioration of the soul. It all depends on the context. Even though in my understanding a healthy body can more easily enable soul growth, in some cases, perhaps it is actually the soul who has chosen a certain physical disability in order to learn certain lessons.

However, choosing what to do with our minds (believing or not believing lies, etc.), emotions, and bodies (how we take care of them to the best of our knowledge) is a manifestation of our inner attitude and that, I think, can directly impact one's soul, either for growth, or for entropy.

Because my biggest concern is, what is going to happen to my mother (her soul), after she dies. I think about all these earth bound souls, which are unable to leave and go to 5D. That means, that after death some souls (and perhaps many of them) get confused and lost, they hold to earth 3D awareness.

Well, one thing that I find interesting in the literature on near death experiences, is how often the ones left behind seem to influence the (near) departed, at least according to them (the near departed). It may be a very healing exercise for those left behind to say their goodbyes and pray for the dead to go on their journey well. That way they are not only processing their grief and making peace with an experience that can be very difficult, but perhaps they are also helping the soul go on its way?

 

[Gertrudes]

Today I came across an interesting presentation that may be very relevant here. It is by a doctor, part of a group of Maverick doctors, who have been researching Alzheimer and other so called "age related" diseases like Parkinson. They claim to have achieved amazing results with their drug free treatments, including full reversing of symptoms.

Here is the link to his audio presentation:

_http://naturalhealthinsiders.com/video/awakening-from-alzheimers-dd-uc.php?SC=HBIALZ130315

And the link to the transcript of that same presentation :

_http://naturalhealthinsiders.com/AwakeningfromAlzheimers/awakening-from-alzheimers-uc.php?READ=Y&SC=HBIALZ130315


I heard the audio and found it interesting. It mentions a few different treatments without going into details as to what specifically was used, you are encouraged to read the book for that. At one point he mentions ketones:

Brains afflicted with Alzheimer's have trouble utilizing glucose. Neurons become starved for fuel and start to die. MCT oil rescues them by enabling the liver to create an alternate high-energy brain fuel called ketones. And since a well-fed brain is a happy and well-functioning brain, miracles can begin to happen.

But further ahead he goes on to say:

One of our doctors reveals a simple way to get all the nutrients you need for a healthy brain—without gobbling piles of pills or changing the way you eat.

Which misses the whole point that the CAUSE for the disease to happen in the first place, is probably the way the afflicted person has eaten for most of his/her life. Sure, there are plenty of environmental factors at play, but diet has a major role. How can he not see it if he talks about all of these supplements that should get said person back on track? The answer is beyond me really.
Well, maybe he does see it but knows all too well that most people are simply not willing to change their dietary habits and that if they are given any hint of having to change them, they will simply not bother to hear what he has to say.


An intriguing excerpt:

I want to tell you about one of them because it's something you can do right now that will cut your risk of Alzheimer's by more than half: Get your eyes checked and make sure any vision problems are corrected.

This may sound strange but it's a fact: Seniors with poor vision who visit an ophthalmologist at least once are 64 percent less likely to develop dementia, according to a university study. But if you have poor vision and you don't get a doctor's help, your risk of Alzheimer's skyrockets more than ten times over! It's true—your danger of contracting this dreaded disease goes up ten times if you neglect your vision!

The book can be found at amazon.com: _http://www.amazon.com/Awakening-Alzheimers-Maverick-Doctors-Reversing/dp/1467523690/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1363392983&sr=1-1&keywords=Awakening+from+Alzheimer%27s
(amazon.uk has a cheaper kindle version)

but can also be ordered through his site, the link is given at the audio presentation (first link). If you buy it through his link you also get a few bonus reports, one of which is on Parkinson disease.

He offers a full refund should you wish it, up to one year after receiving the book, no questions asked. Maybe he really wants to get the word out because he realizes the importance of giving people tools to fight disease, maybe it is a strategy of marketing, maybe both. In any case, it may be well worth it, particularly for those of you whose loved ones are afflicted.

I'll probably be getting it, although I still have several books on my "to read" shelf before I actually get to this one.

 

[Gaby]

Which misses the whole point that the CAUSE for the disease to happen in the first place, is probably the way the afflicted person has eaten for most of his/her life. Sure, there are plenty of environmental factors at play, but diet has a major role. How can he not see it if he talks about all of these supplements that should get said person back on track? The answer is beyond me really.
Well, maybe he does see it but knows all too well that most people are simply not willing to change their dietary habits and that if they are given any hint of having to change them, they will simply not bother to hear what he has to say.

Another key concept that has a huge role in Alzheimer's is iron overload. There is some jaw dropping research posted on the "Hemochromatosis and Autoimmune Conditions" thread:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,30709.0.html

 

[ella]

Today I came across an interesting presentation that may be very relevant here. It is by a doctor, part of a group of Maverick doctors, who have been researching Alzheimer and other so called "age related" diseases like Parkinson. They claim to have achieved amazing results with their drug free treatments, including full reversing of symptoms.

Here is the link to his audio presentation:

_http://naturalhealthinsiders.com/video/awakening-from-alzheimers-dd-uc.php?SC=HBIALZ130315

And the link to the transcript of that same presentation :

_http://naturalhealthinsiders.com/AwakeningfromAlzheimers/awakening-from-alzheimers-uc.php?READ=Y&SC=HBIALZ130315


I heard the audio and found it interesting. It mentions a few different treatments without going into details as to what specifically was used, you are encouraged to read the book for that. At one point he mentions ketones:

Brains afflicted with Alzheimer's have trouble utilizing glucose. Neurons become starved for fuel and start to die. MCT oil rescues them by enabling the liver to create an alternate high-energy brain fuel called ketones. And since a well-fed brain is a happy and well-functioning brain, miracles can begin to happen.

The book can be found at amazon.com: _http://www.amazon.com/Awakening-Alzheimers-Maverick-Doctors-Reversing/dp/1467523690/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1363392983&sr=1-1&keywords=Awakening+from+Alzheimer%27s
(amazon.uk has a cheaper kindle version)

but can also be ordered through his site, the link is given at the audio presentation (first link). If you buy it through his link you also get a few bonus reports, one of which is on Parkinson disease.

Thanks for sharing the info. I have done some basic research about coconut oil and MCT oil and ordered good quality bio coconut oil for the beginning, to start giving it to my mother immediately, and now I will proceed to gaining more knowledge about the subject. I will watch closely the changes (hopefully improvement) in my mother’s condition and will pass my observations to you.

 

[irjO]

Thanks for sharing the info. I have done some basic research about coconut oil and MCT oil and ordered good quality bio coconut oil for the beginning, to start giving it to my mother immediately, and now I will proceed to gaining more knowledge about the subject. I will watch closely the changes (hopefully improvement) in my mother’s condition and will pass my observations to you.

Not only coconut oil, you should read the health section in the forum and get to know about the ketogenic diet! i think that is the most important step to avoid any degeneration sickness!

 

[Bluestar]

I am sad by your loss irjO and Jasminum. In March I lost my mother and my brother from another mother within two weeks of each other. This is the reason I have not been much on the forum. Will at some point post a thread about my experiences. For now it is just to soon. Writing this now is a first step for me.

Dealing with a persons memory loss is an endeavor of great patience and love. When they pass, there is a mix of emotions from a bit of relief, they are not suffering any longer to this gapping hole left by the loss of their presence. My higher self can understand the whole "better place" thought that most people when they hear of your loss say, my human side immediately looks at it and cries with sadness that I have never experienced before.

My thoughts and prayers are with you both.

 

[Gertrudes]

So sorry to hear that Bluestar!

Wishing all the best, and much strength to you and your family

 

[irjO]

Really sorry for your lost Bluestar!

i know this is a difficult process to deal! i hope everything gets well soon! wishing you the best! :)