Anticipate Not ... Examples in everyday life

I have the impression that as a group we are becoming more comfortable and better able to practice creating a reality by choosing direction, gaining knowledge, then being non-anticipatory.

Non-anticipation is less confusing to me now than a number of years ago. It seems other people here are talking of the same things.
 
But, she says a key point is, to do it while putting some sort of physical energy into it, e.g. swimming laps or walking on a treadmill. I thought that was SUPER interesting.

So, thinking about the thing where it's common to solve a problem (or come up with a melody, or what have you) while having a shower, or going for a walk. (Also, the thing where emotions from the past can be locked up in certain parts of the body). Doing some kind of physical motion seeming to let mental or emotional motions flow freely. Is it related to all this? Something to do with shifting the balance between the brain hemispheres?
This is a very interesting question! I'm sure there are plenty of better examples, but the first that came to mind was that fact that Friedrich Nietzsche was known for taking long walks so that he could think clearly, and was also prone to 'free styling' on the piano.. (ignoring the fact that he descended into insanity...)
I also need to get around to reading McGilchrists' work as well..

Sometimes one also needs to have an aim and keep on going without loosing sight of it, and I suppose the difference is that when one strives towards an aim, one is aware of the rest of the possibilities, so the focus doesn't ignore reality, but when one is anticipating, one is ignoring reality.
I'm really glad you brought this up! Given the STS world we live in, it would be all too easy to assume that non-anticipation = not having any aim. But having an aim, whilst being open in regards the process and possibilities along the way may be the way to go.

This straight away feels like my ego wanting to attain some self glorification rather than the experience of flow
This sounds very much another expression of the above, and also a very useful way to think about it! Assuming we mean the same thing by the work 'ego', it seems to me that what the ego wants to do is ignore reality and reach for whatever is most expedient for its own gratification.

Reading this thread makes me wonder if I can transfer the mind set I use in my work to other areas of my life.
From what you've said, this could surely only benefit you immensely!
 
And I will give you example from my life. Few of them actually
How I reconnect with my grandparents after kicking me out from the house.
Got a great job and a new house in 2 years. But it will take a day or two to write it down and translate.
But the bottom line was I had to pick something what was the hardest thing for me to do that I can imagine.
Something what causes me the biggest fear possible.
But promise to do it anyway and offer it to life with great humbleness.
Dear Universe, this is my share. I gave my all and now it's your turn....
Whatever will be I'll accept.
To be continued...
 
Gottathink, huge thanks for sharing your experience! May i guess that you are an osteopath? Great work! Helping people is a great aim and challenge.
As i understand you also involve reiki?
I would like to share my experience even though i don’t understand what it is.
Just spontaneously i found that i can heel/relieve pain with a help of my hands. It helped my wife when the had chronic migraines (before we found a strong naturopath, who cured her just after a first visit), i just took her hand and prayed, shared my energy. The pain/discomfort went away, at least for some days.
My grandmother, almost 90 this year, a lively and a soulful woman (still active, likes farming etc), sometimes feels tiredness, pain here and there-make her the same ‘therapy’ and she happily ran’s for a walk as if nothing happened.
Daughter, as she was just under 3 years old, suddenly jumped and dislocated her hand(( she could not make a single move without strongest pain/tears. I took her hand and we all managed to fall asleep. Earliest in the morning we found old soviet school doctor, who just ‘screwed’ it back with a single move-great result straight away).
P.s. I assume that this thread could be a bit inappropriate, please advice where we can exchange on the topic🙏
 
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Aside from that, what is the difference between, say when I make a decision to achieve a goal, over say a few weeks, and I work towards that goal with the hope that I will achieve that, then would that not be anticipation ?

Or is the act of making a decision to do something anticipation in itself, since in deciding to do something done in anticipation that the goal will be achieved ?

There must be some distinction ?
I think this is a very complex question, and others have shared their own experiences and I think this is where the answer may lie. In other words, I think it's individual observation, and honesty with the self, what differentiates when one is striving towards a goal and when one is anticipating a specific outcome, wishfully.

However, we should also take into consideration that we're 3D STS beings and as such, we will anticipate almost as a rule, and this is part of that self honesty.

But if I had to speculate a bit, maybe the idea is in the words we use to describe both processes, Anticipating an outcome is wanting something to be, something it may not be, and is akin to imposing one's wishes upon reality. And it's, when I think about it, a way not to do something to affect the odds. It's waiting for reality to come your way.

While working towards a goal, implies the application of will and knowledge, it's working WITH reality to meet it halfway, and applying one's will in order to achieve that goal.

Perhaps a good example would be diet. "I am going to change my diet, and knowingly accept its benefits AND limitations, and adjust my path as needed" is making a decision and walking through the doors that such a decision opens for you. As opposed to "I am going to change my diet into this specific routine, and that WILL make me healthier, period"

In both of them, one experiences change, and there's information being provided by one's body. On the one there's knowledge, as one is open to adjustment and limitations, one continues to choose as reality provides feedback. On the other... there might be hardships as one would refuse to see the information that indicates that the outcome desired, isn't the one taking shape.

I realize the above example might not be clear, but I think that as humans, there will always be a conception of a desirable future, and a projection of our actions in that direction. But I also think that it's the relationship with reality, how we relate to it and its feedback that might offer us the difference between that conception of the future being wishful thinking, or striving towards a goal.

It reminded me of that one phrase by Stephen Covey, "freedom lies in the space between stimulus and reaction". Something similar might take place with Anticipation, it will happen because we all wish for a specific future, I think our choices have to have a relationship with the future, I don't drive to work without anticipating a paycheck, for instance.

But that differentiation of wishful thinking and an open and humble relationship with reality, might happen in that small space of feedback from reality and our choices, interpretation and humility about that feedback.


My two cents
 
But if I had to speculate a bit, maybe the idea is in the words we use to describe both processes, Anticipating an outcome is wanting something to be, something it may not be, and is akin to imposing one's wishes upon reality. And it's, when I think about it, a way not to do something to affect the odds. It's waiting for reality to come your way.

While working towards a goal, implies the application of will and knowledge, it's working WITH reality to meet it halfway, and applying one's will in order to achieve that goal.

Thanks for this @Alejo - that helps a lot.

After some contemplation, I'm arriving at a very similar answer - and it is pretty much to just work with reality.

As mentioned before - the universe does not like to be told what to do. So, ideally we can work towards a goal, and just notice how the universe reacts, and just work with it, or adjust as needed. Sort of like a feedback loop - you wait for the universe to guide you on your path.

Also, I can see the futility of anticipation - since in doing so would be to try to impose your will of one outcome of a huge number of possible outcomes - like the butterfly effect, but possibly leave you dangerously open and unaware of other possibilities. So that would be seeing only what you want to.

We should instead "wait and see" and just go with the flow, I think.
 
I think what is affirming or creative is a committment to the process or rather the work to move in a desired direction. To change a state we must put energy into the system.

Often people have no desire to suffer or expend energy to achieve something or get somewhere. Anticipation represents an end point with no accounting of the work required. For example, I can (often do) think of goals and feel the anticipation and excitement of achieving that, with this I completely disregard the work and sometimes suffering it takes to achieve that goal. I have been working on developing different thinking on this in myself, we have to do the mahi (to do work in the Maori language) which is not as much fun to think about.

So again we arrive at accepting reality for what it is and then working to change that. No anticipation required, one does not even need to consistently believe it’s going to occur, just show up and do the work.

Just to mention in case it helps anyone, I have been doing cold water immersion for several months and it has really toughened me up mentally to be able to do more work on myself. It has been a very helpful starting point.
 
I assume that this thread could be a bit inappropriate, please advice where we can exchange on the topic🙏
Sounds like you have observed a variety of different mechanisms the body can be helped to heal or relieve itself of trauma and pain. Psychological, biomechanical, and energetic. Do you have specific questions?
You can search for specific topics on the diet and health board of the forum, for example Reiki.
 
This is how I understand and practice creating without anticipation: it is a flow state. I think the ability to use a flow state can be achieved through development of skills and collection of knowledge. When these things are acquired as competencies then the brain has “things” which it can work with to produce a new interpretation or reality when it is in a flow state.

My personal experience is in my work in musculoskeletal rehabilitation. For a couple of decades I have been working with massage and reiki to help as best I can people who have musculoskeletal(MSk) pain, more recently non/specific and chronic MSk pain.
Through learning and study as well as observation and client feedback (what is and is not working) I have developed a method and way of working. When I apply this skill set (hands on therapy) I need to ensure I do not anticipate the outcome. In other words I must not try to fix or heal them. Instead I hold a clear intention in my mind, working with them to understand their pain story and pattern, to open the possibility for their healing. We go on a journey together exploring where this intention might take us. It is very definitely a state of mind. It also has a clear direction towards being pain free, we know where we want to end up but it is not a goal or expectation. It is a direction.

As a result I find my hands just go places, ideas pop into my mind that link their trauma history, what I’m feeling through palpating, my knowledge of muscles and nerves, human psychology, the sense of energy or lack of it in parts of the body, their emotional feedback on issues, things they may be seeing with their minds eye. All of this information in multiple dimensions weaves itself together to create a new way of being and seeing. In a very concrete real physiological sense.

What can manifest is limited by how much knowledge I and the client I working with collectively possess. I find myself needing to be vigilant to prevent my own state of anticipation, which is wanting to heal and fix. This straight away feels like my ego wanting to attain some self glorification rather than the experience of flow. This flow state aims at helping the client find a possibility of healing and stepping into that themselves. I also have to coach the client into this state of mind, they need to let go of trying to fix themselves. The fixing way seems to come with desperation and grabbing hold of things. This works completely counter to exploring possibility of healing.

The whole experience for me very much is reliant on non-anticipation. I find I need to flick a certain switch in my brain to get into that mode of working.

I also actually say to people, “let’s see what’s possible” (not anticipation). These words can have powerful effects just someone willing to take their hand and help
move towards the resolution of pain. No anticipation or expectation of how to get there.

Reading this thread makes me wonder if I can transfer the mind set I use in my work to other areas of my life.
Thank you gottathink! Your description and the level of detail within that description above is an awesome example of how you are thinking about the Anticipate not concept as it pertains to your work. I feel like these kinds of posts are invaluable and helpful to all members and would ask the shy members to come forwards and post how it works for them with their activities if they so choose. It helps me to hear you speak about how you apply the concept to your work and it REALLY helps me to hear a lot of the details about how you are thinking about it.

A turning point thought can happen within a millisecond ... and the thought that happened within that millisecond can potentially send one down a road that is in less participation with the universe's plan (Anticipatory). I would guess that in musculoskeletal rehabilitation a lot could go wrong in a few seconds so it's good that you have the level of clarity that you have. It's a lot higher stakes than going down a wrong anticipatory path that leads nowhere with song writing or finding a parking place.

I like the way Laura in her video explained how she "Let the universe do it" and I like the idea mentioned in this thread of "letting the universe come towards you" as well. There has been so much great sharing of information on this thread that I am thrilled for everyone and hope everyone has more clarity and inspiration as I do, to continue moving forwards WITH REALITY. In the meantime, if examples keep coming ... they can be helpful to all:-)
 
“Anticipation -or not” is not an easy thing to apply all the time as it’s on the verge of impossible to eliminate it to the core ...whenever it comes to important decisions anticipation starts to work automatically🤦‍♀️ But a couple of recent times eventually we just let it go as it is (applied non anticipation) and it worked!! the best way we could not even predict ! It’s just our essence here is to predict ...they taught us from the very childhood that we shall imagine the result , so we imagine , but how we here notice the best result is when we don’t ...now I learn to keep this feeling of non anticipation in mind and reality really envelopes smoothly and wonderfully and me just observe how it goes without emotions rush and prediction😊
 
But if I had to speculate a bit, maybe the idea is in the words we use to describe both processes, Anticipating an outcome is wanting something to be, something it may not be, and is akin to imposing one's wishes upon reality
I think this is an excellent description of what anticipating is. The idea of living a (meaningful) life without aims seems close to impossible to me - I guess the idea is not to become so focussed on an aim that you lose sight of the learning process and the possibility that your aim may need to be adjusted according to reality (aka imposing your wishful thinking upon reality).
Alejo, you gave the example of diet. A simple example that came to mind: Reading a book. Naturally enough, you may begin reading a book with the aim that you will learn something, but it would be foolish to decide exactly what you may learn, or you may miss the opportunity to dialogue with the author and follow particular threads of thought in a way that is open to the experience (even if it turns out that you disagree entirely!).

So again we arrive at accepting reality for what it is and then working to change that. No anticipation required, one does not even need to consistently believe it’s going to occur, just show up and do the work.
Another well-made point, which sounds quite close to the Stoic concept of accepting that most things are not in fact within our power to change; all we can really change is our reaction to them (I paraphrase) in accordance with the way things really are. The standard expression of frustration (rooted in fear, I think) that we might habitually express when things don't go our way is the opposite, and clearly based on anticipation and wishful thinking.
 
I like the way Laura in her video explained how she "Let the universe do it" and I like the idea mentioned in this thread of "letting the universe come towards you" as well. There has been so much great sharing of information on this thread that I am thrilled for everyone and hope everyone has more clarity and inspiration as I do, to continue moving forwards WITH REALITY. In the meantime, if examples keep coming ... they can be helpful to all:-)
Yes, and there's a humility in that concept, but at the same time one ought to remain humble but also find one's way to walk towards the universe as it shows up on the horizon, I think one can't happen without the other.
 
Instead I hold a clear intention in my mind, working with them to understand their pain story and pattern, to open the possibility for their healing. We go on a journey together exploring where this intention might take us. It is very definitely a state of mind. It also has a clear direction towards being pain free, we know where we want to end up but it is not a goal or expectation. It is a direction.

As a result I find my hands just go places, ideas pop into my mind that link their trauma history, what I’m feeling through palpating, my knowledge of muscles and nerves, human psychology, the sense of energy or lack of it in parts of the body, their emotional feedback on issues, things they may be seeing with their minds eye. All of this information in multiple dimensions weaves itself together to create a new way of being and seeing. In a very concrete real physiological sense.
You just put to words what I refer to as working with the Universe' leading or using intuition. I remember when I was still active in church ministry in intercession, when I pray for the church or an individual, I ask god to tell me what I will pray for and then I just notice some downloads like phrases or pictures of things to pray for. Also, when I want to finish something and do not know where to start, I just sit still and pray and just wait.

Also, there are other ways one can trick oneself that can work repeatedly. For example, I have written a lot of my best lyrics in the shower. I don’t go to the shower to write lyrics … but I often come out of the shower with lyrics … this is an approach that works for my songwriting endeavors … it’s easier for me to have less anticipation in the shower and less attachment to the idea that I must accomplish something. Another thing that works for me is if I start thinking hard on a problem I am trying to solve upon awakening. There is something about being in bed that gets me out of expecting(demanding) an outcome in a timely manner and I am able to think more deeply and more clearly. Some people take a walk, some people take cigarette breaks. Lots of different approaches.
I have also noticed that for myself when im in the shower or where I am travelling. I think I noticed this too in meditation esp. when doing it early in the morning that "amazing" ideas pop up. I have forgotten the article or video I have watched about the body being in theta or beta state but I found this article and it talks about the different brain states and how it affects our creative process.

While we are talking of anticipating and non-anticipating, if I may share, after my LSD experience, the next few days, I noticed that I was in a state where I am very present or being in the NOW. My greatest fear then was dying without having lived my life to the fullest or without realizing my purpose. Since I was in that "NOW" state and my mind wasn't occupied by this-is-how-my-day-should-go-because-i-have-this-goal, there is an acceptance of all possibilities that may happen to me. I remember telling myself that if I die now, I am fine and very happy and grateful that I get to live life up until this moment and if this would be the best day in my life, then I am fine and happy and grateful that I get to experience my best day up until this moment. I am in a state where Im grateful for every moment and get to enjoy the present. Though that is hard to maintain, grounding and meditation helped me to be in that state.

Just my two cents.
 
Sounds like you have observed a variety of different mechanisms the body can be helped to heal or relieve itself of trauma and pain. Psychological, biomechanical, and energetic. Do you have specific questions?
You can search for specific topics on the diet and health board of the forum, for example Reiki.
Gottathink, actually no specific ones. I am in no way doctor, but after all above experience just wondering if that ability could be somehow developed/expanded. In ‘future’ difficult times could be of good use🙏
Yep, thanks. We are looking in health and diet threads actual topics.
 
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