April Drop Dead Date

[jsf]

And now there is this :

Windows XP SP3 and Office 2003 Support Ends April 8, 2014

_https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/endofsupport.aspx

Microsoft ends support for Windows XP on April 8: is your survival kit ready?

_http://www.hindustantimes.com/news-feed/chunk-ht-ui-technology-featuredstories/microsoft-ends-support-for-windows-xp-on-april-8-is-your-survival-kit-ready/article1-1199595.aspx#sthash.qwdrV7dH.dpuf

How to Protect Your Windows XP Investment Well Past Microsoft’s Drop Dead Date

_http://craigpeterson.com/computers/microsoft/how-to-protect-your-windows-xp-investment-well-past-microsofts-drop-dead-date/3383

 

[Piscarian]

One of the recent turns in the discussion has brought up some new considerations for me at least. First there was this,

Another interesting thing to look at is history repeating itself and looking at when this particular configuration happened in the past. The last time that Pluto in Capricorn squared Uranus in Aries is almost 3500 years ago in the period around 1420BC. According to the "official" timeline of biblical events this is the time of Moses and the Red Heifer. I know that the timeline of the Bible is not to be taken at face value so I'm not sure of the significance of this. But if my memory serves me correctly, this is also pretty close to one of the last meteor-periods if they have a 3600 period and we're overdue at the moment.

Or, right on schedule if the timeline has been artificially extended by some amount, which seems to be the case.

Very interesting observation. One wonders if certain planetary configurations/relationships open portals between realities?

Which made me think of this,

_http://www.astrodispatch.com/2012/08/17/saturn-in-scorpio-and-echoes-of-a-plague/
Saturn in Scorpio (and echoes of a plague)…
August 17th, 2012 @ 5:23 pm by Thomas Gazis

"At the beginning of this article I mentioned how unique - and important - the planetary “combinations” are. Two years ago I was completing an astrological survey on the major epidemics that struck mankind. Specifically, I was studying the great “Plague of Justinian” that struck Byzantium in 542 CE and caused the death of tens of millions of people! Suddenly I noticed that this terrible pandemic occurred under a unique astrological “combination” which will be repeated (almost exactly the same and for the first time ever after almost 1500 years) in October 2012!"

He goes on to say,

"In 542 CE Pluto was again in the sign of Capricorn, Neptune in the sign of Pisces, Saturn in Scorpio and Jupiter in Gemini (from May on). These are the very same zodiacal positions the planets will be in after the 5th of next October! With this critical astrological configuration pending over our heads I would not exclude the possibility of a major flu epidemic occurring in the next two-three years (nor of some other pandemic)."

Which reminded me of this,

Session 23 March 2013
A: Just wait for the next one! That one will be a doozie! And it has "friends!"

Q: (L) Okay. (Andromeda) Past comet streams? (L) So in other words, if we factor in what we know from the science of, say, Victor Clube and Bill Napier, plus observations we make, plus historical records, etc. and signs, we can figure out that something is probably fairly imminent. That would be my best guess. My thought is that if we don't get a plague from this one that exploded over Russia, we will from the next one. That's my best guess.

A: Good guess!

Which is related to this,

It's going to be interesting to watch how things go and then come back and assess all these prophecies.

I just keep thinking "KABOOM! SPLAT!"

Which caused me to notice this recent SOTT article,

http://www.sott.net/article/276055-Justinian-Plague-and-Black-death-Review-of-evidence-for-comet-impact-in-536-AD

"The comet plunges into the upper atmosphere, leaving an effectively hollow tube behind it, where it has been, and into which the surrounding air has not yet had time to diffuse. This tube then acts rather like a gun barrel, focusing much of the energy of the airburst explosion along the tube and carrying with it much of the comet debris. This is what causes the observed plume, as material is fired along the tube by the force of the explosion."

"For example, the UK government's Near Earth Object Task Force classified impacts from objects in the size range 300-1500 m to be a "large sub-global hazard" (Atkinson et al. 2000) and only recommended monitoring programmes of near-Earth objects greater than a kilometre in size. Yet our estimates show that if plume formation is a common by-product of cometary airbursts (as is believed to be the case), then a relatively small comet fragment can have a global effect."

"One other historical aspect of the period around 536 may also be significant. This period coincides with a mass population decrease in Europe. This is commonly known as the Justinian Plague, and is believed to be the first appearance of the Black Death in Europe (Russell 1968). The relevance to our hypothesis is that crop failures for several years in a row while the dust veil was present may have caused widespread starvation, leading to an increased susceptibility to disease among the remaining population. Small comets had previously been thought to be less hazardous than small asteroids, but our estimates show that a small comet fragment can have a global effect."

Splat, comet debris all over the world's atmosphere. Considering all that's going on in the world, droughts, floods, animal loses, if something like the above happened next month it wouldn't be hard to imagine people saying that "April is when everything started to drop dead."

 

[luke wilson]

Here is a silly question,

What happens to OPs during the great transition? I assume OPs don't have the option of going straight to 4D i.e. have to evolve as adamic men before that can happen..

 

[trendsetter37]

Here is a silly question,

What happens to OPs during the great transition? I assume OPs don't have the option of going straight to 4D i.e. have to evolve as adamic men before that can happen..

Hmm...well keeping in mind that the Lizzies are supposedly building bi-density souless organic portals or "suped up OPs" (as the Cs say) that they can occupy after the transition, I don't know if it is as simple as that. Also seeing that the greys are also relatively soulless as well yet still beings of 4th Density makes it seem a bit more complex to differentiate between what does and does not experience 4D. FWIW.

I could be misinterpreting their terms though.

 

[Thor]

Here is a silly question,

What happens to OPs during the great transition? I assume OPs don't have the option of going straight to 4D i.e. have to evolve as adamic men before that can happen..

Hmm...well keeping in mind that the Lizzies are supposedly building bi-density souless organic portals or "suped up OPs" (as the Cs say) that they can occupy after the transition, I don't know if it is as simple as that. Also seeing that the greys are also relatively soulless as well yet still beings of 4th Density makes it seem a bit more complex to differentiate between what does and does not experience 4D. FWIW.

I could be misinterpreting their terms though.

The bolded perspective of trendsetter37 also reflects my current understanding.

 

[3DStudent]

I thought I remember something like OPs and animals would have an equal opportunity to graduate during the transition. But I think they would be gaining a soul and going to third density.

And as the abduction phenomenon would indicate, because beings can be "plucked" from one density to another higher one, lower density beings can visit higher densities.

 

[Nienna]

From what I remember, the Cs said that the greys were "grown" in 4D so that is why they are there - they are constructs of 4D. Just as we have computers here, they are constructs of 3D.

I think it was mentioned that OPs would move into 3D once those who are moving to 4D actually do the move. This would give them the chance to work on having an individuated soul.

The Cs said that to graduate to 4D depends on the level of our awareness. I am guessing that OPs will not have that awareness until they have experienced 3D. That's just my take on it all.

 

[trendsetter37]

From what I remember, the Cs said that the greys were "grown" in 4D so that is why they are there - they are constructs of 4D. Just as we have computers here, they are constructs of 3D.

I think it was mentioned that OPs would move into 3D once those who are moving to 4D actually do the move. This would give them the chance to work on having an individuated soul.

The Cs said that to graduate to 4D depends on the level of our awareness. I am guessing that OPs will not have that awareness until they have experienced 3D. That's just my take on it all.

Hmm I've never really thought about it that way. So OPs do not necessarily hold 3D awareness? I guess sometimes I may confuse intellectual capacity with levels awareness and I know those two concepts cannot really be seen as the same thing. Holding that train of thought, I was thinking that means that we humans are automatically smarter than all animals. But seeing how some animals seem to be able to solve complex problems that would give some people a run for their money, I'm leaning toward this being a much more complex issue than if they look human they are 3D and if they look like an animal they are 2D.

IIRC I think I remember somewhere in the transcripts where the C's said that bigfoot type entities were 3D entities with 2D bodies soo yea if that's the case then the issue may not be so black and white.

 

[Nienna]

From what I remember, the Cs said that the greys were "grown" in 4D so that is why they are there - they are constructs of 4D. Just as we have computers here, they are constructs of 3D.

I think it was mentioned that OPs would move into 3D once those who are moving to 4D actually do the move. This would give them the chance to work on having an individuated soul.

The Cs said that to graduate to 4D depends on the level of our awareness. I am guessing that OPs will not have that awareness until they have experienced 3D. That's just my take on it all.

Hmm I've never really thought about it that way. So OPs do not necessarily hold 3D awareness? I guess sometimes I may confuse intellectual capacity with levels awareness and I know those two concepts cannot really be seen as the same thing. Holding that train of thought, I was thinking that means that we humans are automatically smarter than all animals. But seeing how some animals seem to be able to solve complex problems that would give some people a run for their money, I'm leaning toward this being a much more complex issue than if they look human they are 3D and if they look like an animal they are 2D.

IIRC I think I remember somewhere in the transcripts where the C's said that bigfoot type entities were 3D entities with 2D bodies soo yea if that's the case then the issue may not be so black and white.

Wasn't it mentioned by the Cs that OPs are a bridge between 2D and 3D?

Okay, they were a bridge between 2D and 3D.

Q: (V) What is the "origin" of these
organic portal human types? In the
scheme of creation, where did they come
from?
A: They were originally part of the bridge
between 2nd density and 3rd density.
Review transcripts on the subject of
short wave cycles and long wave cycles.

Just to refresh our memories, there is this from the same session as above:

Q: Mouravieff says that there are two
kinds of humans - he calls the
"pre-Adamic" and "Adamic," [discussed
in book III]. The idea is that
pre-Adamic human types basically have
no "soul" nor any possibility of growing
one. This is a pretty shocking idea, but
there have been recent scholarly
discussions of this matter based on what
seems to be clinical evidence that,
indeed, there are human beings who are
just "mechanical" and have no "inner" or
"higher self" at all. [See: "Division of
Consciousness"] Gurdjieff talked about
this and so did Castaneda. Are these
ideas Mouravieff presents about the two
basic TYPES of humans, as far as they
go, accurate?
A: Indeed, though again, there is a
"Biblical Gloss."
Q: Mouravieff says that the
"pre-Adamic" humans do not have the
higher centers, nor the possibility of
developing them in this cycle - which we
assume to be the Grand Cycle you have
previously described, the length of which
is around 300,000 years. Is this an
accurate representation of "pre-Adamic"
beings?
A: Yes, they are "organic" portals
between levels of density.
Q: Based on what Mouravieff has said, it
seems to be so that any efforts to try to
raise the consciousness of such
individuals is doomed to fail.
A: Pretty much. Most of them are very
efficient machines. The ones that you
have identified as psychopaths are
"failures." The best ones cannot be
discerned except by long and careful
observation.

So it would seem, that it has to do with not having higher centers. It, also, says that OPs are between densities. Either way, it seems like they will be working on graduating to 4D after this 308,000 cycle ends.

Don't know if that helps, or not.

 

[H-KQGE]

From what I remember, the Cs said that the greys were "grown" in 4D so that is why they are there - they are constructs of 4D. Just as we have computers here, they are constructs of 3D.

I think it was mentioned that OPs would move into 3D once those who are moving to 4D actually do the move. This would give them the chance to work on having an individuated soul.

The Cs said that to graduate to 4D depends on the level of our awareness. I am guessing that OPs will not have that awareness until they have experienced 3D. That's just my take on it all.

Hmm I've never really thought about it that way. So OPs do not necessarily hold 3D awareness? I guess sometimes I may confuse intellectual capacity with levels awareness and I know those two concepts cannot really be seen as the same thing. Holding that train of thought, I was thinking that means that we humans are automatically smarter than all animals. But seeing how some animals seem to be able to solve complex problems that would give some people a run for their money, I'm leaning toward this being a much more complex issue than if they look human they are 3D and if they look like an animal they are 2D.

IIRC I think I remember somewhere in the transcripts where the C's said that bigfoot type entities were 3D entities with 2D bodies soo yea if that's the case then the issue may not be so black and white.

Wasn't it mentioned by the Cs that OPs are a bridge between 2D and 3D?

Okay, they were a bridge between 2D and 3D.

Q: (V) What is the "origin" of these
organic portal human types? In the
scheme of creation, where did they come
from?
A: They were originally part of the bridge
between 2nd density and 3rd density.
Review transcripts on the subject of
short wave cycles and long wave cycles.

Just to refresh our memories, there is this from the same session as above:

Q: Mouravieff says that there are two
kinds of humans - he calls the
"pre-Adamic" and "Adamic," [discussed
in book III]. The idea is that
pre-Adamic human types basically have
no "soul" nor any possibility of growing
one. This is a pretty shocking idea, but
there have been recent scholarly
discussions of this matter based on what
seems to be clinical evidence that,
indeed, there are human beings who are
just "mechanical" and have no "inner" or
"higher self" at all. [See: "Division of
Consciousness"] Gurdjieff talked about
this and so did Castaneda. Are these
ideas Mouravieff presents about the two
basic TYPES of humans, as far as they
go, accurate?
A: Indeed, though again, there is a
"Biblical Gloss."
Q: Mouravieff says that the
"pre-Adamic" humans do not have the
higher centers, nor the possibility of
developing them in this cycle - which we
assume to be the Grand Cycle you have
previously described, the length of which
is around 300,000 years. Is this an
accurate representation of "pre-Adamic"
beings?
A: Yes, they are "organic" portals
between levels of density.
Q: Based on what Mouravieff has said, it
seems to be so that any efforts to try to
raise the consciousness of such
individuals is doomed to fail.
A: Pretty much. Most of them are very
efficient machines. The ones that you
have identified as psychopaths are
"failures." The best ones cannot be
discerned except by long and careful
observation.

So it would seem, that it has to do with not having higher centers. It, also, says that OPs are between densities. Either way, it seems like they will be working on graduating to 4D after this 308,000 cycle ends.

Don't know if that helps, or not.

Not to nitpick, but originally in the context used, I took it to mean that a natural learning curve was there as a portal between densities. ( 2-d to 3-d) then 4-d sts co-opted the process for feeding. I just assumed that this dented the Op's learning opportunity. Anyway that's not my point. part of THE bridge is what stood out. I don't know why it stood out now though. So I'm assuming again, that part would indicate...other parts? What could they be? THE bridge could be just one (or not) for the energy exchange learning process. I may be reading too much into it, but even though they play with words at times, they choose them carefully. Just some thoughts that I had.

 

[luke wilson]

My understanding based on the readings that I did a number of years ago was that OPs were in-between 2d and 3d - not sure of the nuts and bolts of the bridge/portal thing. They or rather groups of them share like a big soul pool as compared to adamic men where the whole thing functions differently - going from memory. I vaguely remember statements that OPs can also 'steal' 'energy' from adamic man i.e. mess up with their centers, thus why the Cs in one session mentioned that one function of sleep is to recharge your centres after spending a day dealing with OPs - took it to mean, they can steal then reflect back as if it was there's originally. Don't know the nuts and bolts of it but I think that was the general message.

I also vaguely remember reading somewhere that they may be better equipped in terms of basic survival compared to the 'fallen' adamic man but that for our branch of creation to evolve, adamic man must get his act together, evolve, then this will mean that the branch won't get destroyed - going from memory this is when Mouravieff was talking about successful evolution of each creation branch and if not, that branch gets killed off.

Successful OPs will have a chance to evolve as adamic man in the next cycle i.e. the one after the one we are on now - as far as my understanding goes.

I believe the Cs also mentioned that OPs don't get abducted because there is no need to - something to do with their souls/soul potential or lack off.

The original question was in line with this drop dead thing. The Cs mentioned that successful adamic men can move to 4D without dying, as in, that is an option, others will die and move on through re-incarnation if successful in their evolution. They said 2d can not move to 3D without dying, no option and I remember vaguely a couple of years ago, some of the mass animal deaths were being attributed to this huge soul pools essentially getting to a point where they are making the jump forward in evolution, though this is not to say that a lot of it is not due to mismanagement of the Planet by humans.

To cut a long story short, will OPs start dying because of the wave?

 

[shijing]

The original question was in line with this drop dead thing. The Cs mentioned that successful adamic men can move to 4D without dying, as in, that is an option, others will die and move on through re-incarnation if successful in their evolution. They said 2d can not move to 3D without dying, no option and I remember vaguely a couple of years ago, some of the mass animal deaths were being attributed to this huge soul pools essentially getting to a point where they are making the jump forward in evolution, though this is not to say that a lot of it is not due to mismanagement of the Planet by humans.

I know that it's been stated that it's possible for 3D to move to 4D without dying physically, but I'm not sure that it's ever been stated that it was impossible for 2D to do the same, or that mass animal deaths were occurring specifically because they were getting ready to evolve in terms of density. I may be wrong, but if you happen to know the specific place in the transcripts where this is discussed it would be good to take a look.

To cut a long story short, will OPs start dying because of the wave?

I tend not to think so, but I couldn't say so with absolute certainty. I think there is a lot of death ahead of us in general, for a variety of reasons. For those who are ready to individuate, I think the time is coming where OPs will have the chance to move completely into 3D awareness in the next cycle.

.part of THE bridge is what stood out. I don't know why it stood out now though. So I'm assuming again, that part would indicate...other parts? What could they be? THE bridge could be just one (or not) for the energy exchange learning process. I may be reading too much into it, but even though they play with words at times, they choose them carefully. Just some thoughts that I had.

Maybe a clue to the answer could be found here?:

Q: (V) What is the "origin" of these organic portal human types? In the scheme of creation, where did they come from?

A: They were originally part of the bridge between 2nd density and 3rd density. Review transcripts on the subject of short wave cycles and long wave cycles.

 

[Arwenn]

Well so much for the start of my April. I got sad news that a close friend's mum is terminally ill (bowel cancer and kidney metastasis) and there is nothing they can do for her. This came out of the blue as she had been doing so well all this time. I've known them for over a decade now, and she was like a mother to me. And then yesterday Laura mentioned she was being harassed again by the Gendarme, and I see Laura as the matriarch of this family (the forum). Please take care everyone, something is indeed astir & things appear to coming up outta leftfield or so it seems.

 

[luke wilson]

Hi,

Going through the transcripts, here is what I found regarding what I thought:

Q: (L) Okay. On to organic portals. You said before that OP's were originally intended as a bridge between second and third densities and that they were
later used by 4 D STS as a control mechanism. Is Mouravieff right about the potential for OP's to advance being dependent upon souled beings
advancement to STO at the end of this cycle?
A: Not exactly. A soul imprint can grow independent of the cycle. However, it is more likely for a soul to "grow" when interacting with 4th Density STO.
STS tends to drain energy for its own use.

So Mouravieff wasn't entirely right it appears.

Q: (A) Now, I was reading in the transcripts that sleep is necessary for human beings because it was a period of rest and recharging. You also said that
the SOUL rests while the body is sleeping. So, the question is: what source of energy is tapped to recharge both the body and the soul?
A: The question needs to be separated. What happens to a souled individual is different from an organic portal unit.
Q: (L) I guess that means that the life force energy that is embodied in Organic Portals is something like the soul pool that is theorized to exist for flora
and fauna. This would, of course, explain the striking and inexplicable similarity of psychopaths, that is so well defined that they only differ from one
another in the way that different species of trees are different in the overall class of Tree-ness. So, if they don't have souls, where does the energy
come from that recharges Organic Portals?
A: The pool you have described.
Q: Does the recharging of the souled being come from a similar pool, only maybe the "human" pool?
A: No - it recharges from the so-called sexual center which is a higher center of creative energy. During sleep, the emotional center, not being blocked
by the lower intellectual cener and the moving center, transduces the energy from the sexual center. It is also the time during which the higher emotional
and intellectual centers can rest from the "drain" of the lower centers' interaction with those pesky organic portals so much loved by the lower centers.
This respite alone is sufficient to make a difference. But, more than that, the energy of the sexual center is also more available to the other higher
centers.

I know that it's been stated that it's possible for 3D to move to 4D without dying physically, but I'm not sure that it's ever been stated that it was impossible for 2D to do the same, or that mass animal deaths were occurring specifically because they were getting ready to evolve in terms of density. I may be wrong, but if you happen to know the specific place in the transcripts where this is discussed it would be good to take a look.

I have found this, maybe my mind was making jumps it shouldn't have... I am sure it has been mentioned in other places other than the one below, but not in regard to OPs but rather 2D beings.. I have taken out names as I think we are meant to?

Q: Is there any significance to the fact that one of our cats has been looking like she is really trying to tell us something?
A: One of your cats, no, make that 2 of your cats, are close to transition to 3rd level.
Q: Sabrina's moving up in the world, she's going to get a promotion. What's going to happen to her when she hits third? She's going to be a human?
A: Yes.
Q: Wow. When she moves from cat to human, her cat body will die?
A: Yes.
Q: Is this going to happen some time in the near future as we measure it?
A: Not concept, we mean at next incarnation whenever that occurs. By the way, who gave her that name?
Q: What name? Sabrina?The cat's name? Two of our cats? Maybe. They are third density candidates. What about the name?
A: Exactly.
Q: Does that mean that when a person is a 4th density candidate that they have to leave their body to go to 4th density?
A: Yes unless they are in the body when the wave arrives.

Regarding the mass animal deaths, it wasn't the Cs that mentioned it but rather a forum member a number of years ago when the animal die-offs became obvious.

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,21247.msg220973.html#msg220973

Well so much for the start of my April. I got sad news that a close friend's mum is terminally ill (bowel cancer and kidney metastasis) and there is nothing they can do for her. This came out of the blue as she had been doing so well all this time. I've known them for over a decade now, and she was like a mother to me. And then yesterday Laura mentioned she was being harassed again by the Gendarme, and I see Laura as the matriarch of this family (the forum). Please take care everyone, something is indeed astir & things appear to coming up outta leftfield or so it seems.

Take care Arwenn.

 

[Meg]

Well so much for the start of my April. I got sad news that a close friend's mum is terminally ill (bowel cancer and kidney metastasis) and there is nothing they can do for her. This came out of the blue as she had been doing so well all this time. I've known them for over a decade now, and she was like a mother to me. And then yesterday Laura mentioned she was being harassed again by the Gendarme, and I see Laura as the matriarch of this family (the forum). Please take care everyone, something is indeed astir & things appear to coming up outta leftfield or so it seems.

So sorry to hear about your surrogate mom. Take care of yourself