Atlantis

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Remnants of the Atlantis ?

In one of Atlantis break up ( I think it is 2nd destruction 28K or 26K BCE), people moved first to Mexico(now) and then Yucatan and to Arizona. I think that is Atlantian technology, that cuts mountains like bread or butter.

From ATLANTIS, VOL. 1 CIRCULATING FILE - Edgar Cayce Readings copyright 1971, 1993-2007 by the Edgar Cayce Foundation

Atlantis and America

There are many ways in which the Atlantean civilizations influenced and continue to affect America‟s destiny. We will mention at this time only two major directions of this influence.

There are numerous references in the Edgar Cayce readings to periods in Atlantean history when one small group of men dominated their brothers, at times using occult powers of telepathy. Groups of men and women were enslaved for generations and bred like cattle for particular types of work. There are many individual references like the following:

“. . . in the Atlantean land during those periods between the second and the last upheavals; when there were the great antagonistic feelings between the sons of Belial and the children of the Law of One. The entity was among the children of the Law of One who made the greater overtures to those peoples for the acknowledging of the laborers, and to make their experiences easier - those laborers that were considered by many as merely things rather than individual souls.” (No. 1744-1)

“. . . as the Atlantean, during those periods when there were the questions arising much as may be termed in the land today, in a local section, as to the acknowledgement of the castes in a land where the untouchables are considered as but dogs among the higher castes.” (No. 333-2)
“. . . in the Atlantean land, when there were those periods of the oppressions by the sons of Belial and the children of the Law of One, and those peoples in the lesser position or the laboring class.
“The entity assisted its companion then to stand for those that were being the greater taxed, the greater oppressed, those that were being given less and less privileges for the enjoyments of the associations of their own families, the associations of the fruits of their own labors. And the entity then, in Ai-jakn, made for those stands that became the Ajax, to Asanain (?), to Alta, the principles for the preservation of the records that were set by the entity then in its stand when even destruction came for the material things of the land.
“In this again, stand fast for that as is thy ideal. For choose today. For there is set before thee good and evil, life and death; choose thou. For the spirit of truth maketh alive. Fear, doubt, condemnation, bringeth doubt, illness, fear, and then dissolution (disillusion?); and the hill to be climbed again.” (No. 1261-1)

“. . . in the Atlantean land, during those periods when there was the breaking up and the journeyings to the various lands.
“The entity was among those who came to what is now the Yucatan land, later journeying with many of those peoples to the south and west, or in portions of Arizona, as now known.

“Through the experiences the entity was among those who made use of spiritual laws for material affectation; not so much in the abuse as in the negligence in supplying or in aiding others . . . that were of the groups of „things‟ to attain to a greater awareness.” (No. 2576-1)

“ . . in the Atlantean, and in that period when there were the beginning of the peoples harkening to those influences wherein one controlled another by the mental being.

“The entity rebelled against the mis-application, th e mis-use of those forces; gaining in part and losing mightily in that the entity used for self that of which she accused others. In this rebellion the entity lost, in that the entity turned same to self‟s own interests.” (No. 428-4)

There can be no question that slavery, and the racial problems coming from it which now face us in America, have become entangled in America‟s destiny, in America‟s karma, if you please.

Examine the American scene from the civil war through the growth of our vast industries, the rise of our labor unions, the development of our radical movements persecuting minorities, and our current Negro problems. By understanding our failures of the past we can build toward a better future. Did this heritage of evil purposes and selfishness come down to us from the ancient civilization of Atlantis? If so, a knowledge of this civilization might well bring us a better way of meeting the situation. Certainly it would bring us a warning of the “lower path.”

 

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By the way, the C's confirmed both the axis shift and the litosphere (crustal) shift in the April 16, 2016 session:


So the location of the north pole was indeed further away from Siberia before the impact event about 12000 years ago, which would suggest that the Hudson Bay north pole theory (and ancient building being oriented towards it) is a good one to look into.

This is covered in Pierre's "Cometary Encounters."

 

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Since C's mentioned Plato's Atlantis account is 70% accurate, looked for the dialog of it and came across this translation Plato's Timaeus by David Horon. Few excerpts from it and comments

Crit: I’ll tell you an ancient tale which I heard from a man no longer young. Indeed Critias was then, as he said, already close to ninety years old 21B while I was, at the most, ten. It happened to be the children’s day of the festival of Apaturia and the traditional event of the festival was also held as usual for the children, at which our fathers arranged a recitation contest for us. Many poems by many poets were recited but since Solon’s poems were new at the time many of the boys chanted them. 21C One of the clansmen said, either because he believed it or even to pay a compliment to Critias, that he thought that Solon was the wisest of men in every respect but also, in view of his poetry, the noblest of all poets. Then the old man, yes indeed, I remember it so vividly, was very pleased and he smiled and said: “Amynander, if Solon had not treated poetry as a distraction but had worked at it as others do, and completed the story which he brought here from Egypt, and had not been forced to neglect it due to the conflicts and the other problems he found here when he returned, then in my opinion, neither Hesiod nor Homer 21D nor any other poet would ever have been more famous than he.” “What was the story, Critias,” he asked. “Yes, it concerns the greatest deed this city has ever performed,” he replied, “it deserves to be her most famous achievement but, through lapse of time and the destruction of those who were involved, the story has not survived here.” “Tell it from the beginning,” he said. “What story did Solon tell, and how did he hear it, and who told him it was true?”

21E “In the Egyptian Delta”, he said, “near where the stream of the Nile divides at its estuary, there is a region called the Saitic and the largest city of this region is Sais. King Amasis came from there. The god who founded the city is called Neith in Egyptian and those people say this is Athena in Greek. They are great lovers of Athens and they claim to be related to us in some way. In fact Solon said that when he travelled there they held him in great respect, and what’s more, 22A on one occasion when he put a question about ancient times to the priests with most experience of such matters, he discovered that, in a sense, neither he nor any other Greek whatsoever knows the slightest thing about them. Once, Solon wanted to draw them into a discussion about antiquity, so he began to relate the most ancient stories from Athens; about Phoroneus who is said to be the first man and about Niobe, and he went on to tell the story of the flood and how Deucalion and Pyrrha survived it, and the family histories of these people, and he tried to estimate the time periods by recalling the exact number of years since the events he described. Then one of the priests who was a very old man, said: “O Solon, Solon, you Greeks are ever children! There is no Greek who is an old man.” When he heard this, Solon asked: “How can you say this?” “You are all young in soul”, he said. “Your souls do not possess a single doctrine heard of old or any teaching grey with age. 22C The reason is as follows: there have been and will be many destructions of humanity by various means, the most significant being by fire and water, the lesser kinds by myriad other means.

Little background of the origins of the story. Ancients are quite aware of Periodic destructions.

In fact you Athenians also have the story of how Phaethon, the child of the Sun, once harnessed his father’s chariot, but because he was not able to drive it along the path of the Sun he brought fire upon the earth and was himself killed by a thunderbolt.

Obviously, this is a cometary activity from viewer's vantage point. This is the story of Atlantis where "Athens" is located in modern day Russia.( as per C's)

This story is Almost similar to the story of monkey god Hanuman from Hindu epic Ramayan. Old "Athenians" has this story means, it may be from Younger Dryas event. From Wiki.

According to Valmiki's Ramayana, one morning in his childhood, Hanuman was hungry and saw the rising red-colored sun. Mistaking it for a ripe fruit, he leapt up to eat it. In one version of the Hindu legend, the king of gods Indra intervened and struck Hanuman with his thunderbolt. It hit Hanuman on his jaw, and he fell to the earth dead with a broken jaw. Hanuman's father Vayu (air) became upset and withdrew all the air on Earth. The lack of air created immense suffering to all living beings. This led Shiva to intervene and resuscitate Hanuman, which in turn prompted Vayu to return to the living beings. As the mistake was done by the god Indra, he grants Hanuman a wish that his body would be as strong as Indra's Vajra, and that his Vajra can also not harm him. Along with Indra other gods have also granted him wishes: the God Agni granted Hanuman a wish that fire won't harm him; God Varuna granted a wish for Hanuman that water won't harm him; God Vayu granted a wish for Hanuman that he will be as fast as wind and the wind won't harm him. Brahma also granted Hanuman a wish that he can move to any place where he cannot be stopped. Hence these wishes make Hanuman an immortal, who has unique powers and strength.

In another Hindu version of his childhood legend, which is likely older and also found in Jain texts such as the 8th-century Dhurtakhyana, Hanuman's Icarus-like leap for the sun proves to be fatal and he is burnt to ashes from the sun's heat. His ashes fall onto the earth and oceans.[51] Gods then gather the ashes and his bones from land and, with the help of fishes, re-assemble him. They find everything except one fragment of his jawbone. His great-grandfather on his mother's side then asks Surya to restore the child to life. Surya returns him to life, but Hanuman is left with a disfigured jaw.[51] Hanuman is said to have spent his childhood in Kishkindha.

Getting back to the Plato's story...

Now this is told in the form of a myth 22D but the truth is that there is an alteration of the motion of the heavenly bodies travelling around the earth and, at regular long intervals, destruction is wrought upon the earth’s surface by an enormous fire; when this happens, those who live in mountains, or high places, or dry places, suffer greater destruction than maritime or river dwelling folk. The Nile which is always our saviour, also saves us from this difficulty on such occasions by its rising. But whenever the gods flood the earth with water to purify it, the shepherds and herdsmen in the mountains are saved, while those who dwell in your cities are swept out to sea by the rivers. However in this land of ours, water does not pour down on the fields from above, not then, not ever, but on the contrary, it all comes up naturally from below. That’s the reason why the records preserved here are said to be most ancient of all. The truth is that in all places where excess heat or cold do not prevent it, there is always a human race sometimes in greater numbers, sometimes in lesser. 23A And whatever events we hear about in your country, or in ours, or anywhere else, that are somehow noble or significant or special in some other way, have all been written down in the temples here, from ancient times and preserved.

But in the case of yourselves and the other cities, as soon as you have been equipped with writing and whatever else a city requires, every time, after the usual cycle of years, the flood from heaven arrives again bearing down upon you like a plague, leaving only the illiterate and uncultured among you, so that you become like children all over again with no knowledge of events of ancient times either here or among yourselves.

Take the genealogies you have just related about your own people, Solon; these are little better than children’s stories. In the first place, you remember only one flood though many occurred before that, and you still do not realise that the noblest and most excellent race in the history of humanity once lived in your own country. 23C You and your entire city are descended from this race, from a small remnant of their seed, but you are unaware of this because, for many generations, those who survived left no written records when they died. But there was once a time, Solon, before the greatest ever destruction by water, when the city that is now Athens was better than any in war, and supremely well governed in every respect. Her deeds were reputed to have been the noblest, and the conduct of her affairs the fairest of any city we have heard of under heaven.”

It looks, some how Athenians of Russia during Atlantis time came to modern day Greece, used the same name (Which is pretty common all over the world) and that memory is retained in Egypt ( because they have documentation before the destruction of Alexandrian library?).
When did they migrate? Is it "Sea people" before bronze age destruction (3rd millennium BCE destructions from Venus settle down + 2300 BCE giant comet disintegration destructions + 1600 BCE comet cluster destructions?)

23D When he heard this Solon said he was amazed and, in all earnestness, he asked the priests to recount everything about the ancient citizens of Athens, precisely and in due order. The priest replied: “No one will grudge you this, Solon, so I shall tell you the story for your sake and for the sake of your city but especially in gratitude to the goddess who has adopted, nurtured and educated your city and ours. Your city was first by a thousand years 23E when she took your seed from Earth and Hephaestus: this city came later. The civilisation here is recorded in our sacred writings as being eight thousand years old. So I shall be giving you a brief overview of your citizens from nine thousand years ago, their laws and the most splendid of the deeds they performed. But we shall go over everything in detail and due order some other time 24A at leisure when we access the actual records.

Now compare your laws with ours, for you will find many instances of your ancient laws in operation here today. Firstly, the priestly class is kept apart from the others. Then the class of manufacturers works by itself and does not mix with another, and the same applies to herdsmen, 24B hunters and farmers. What’s more, the warrior class here, I presume you have noticed, is kept apart from all the other classes, as they are enjoined by law to be concerned with nothing except military matters. And even the style of our armour is based on shields and spears which we were the first people in Asia to adopt, as the goddess instructed us in this, just as she first instructed you in your region.

24C Furthermore I presume you observe the extent to which tradition in Egypt has been concerned, from the very outset, with practical wisdom and the cosmos: discovering everything right down to prophecy and medicine for health by applying those divine considerations to human concerns, and mastering all other learning which derives from these. Now this is in fact the overall structure and regulation which the goddess devised at the time she first founded your city, selecting the place in which you were born because she saw that the temperate climate there would produce the wisest men. Seeing that the goddess was a lover of war and a lover of wisdom she chose the place likely to produce men who were most akin to herself 24D and there she first founded a city. There you dwelt adopting such regulations as these; indeed you were even better regulated having surpassed all other men in every kind of excellence, just as you would expect from a people born from and educated by the gods. Now the numerous great deeds of your city which are recorded here are a wonder, but there is one which surpasses them all in importance and excellence. For our records tell how great a power it was that once surged forth from the Atlantic Ocean and proceeded insolently against all of Europe and Asia, at the same time, a power which your city stopped. In fact the ocean in the area was navigable then, and there was an island in front of the strait which your people tell me they call the Pillars of Heracles. This island was bigger than Africa and Asia together and it was possible in those days for travellers to get from there to the other islands, and from the islands to the entire adjacent continent which surrounds that real ocean. For these places that are inside the strait we are speaking of, resemble a harbour with a narrow entrance, but the ocean outside is a real ocean and the land that surrounds it may truly and correctly be termed a continent.

I think some people consider Rock of Gibraltor as "Pillars of Heracles". Here "Africa" and "Asia" are not modern day geographical boundaries, only a limited sections of it.

Now on this island of Atlantis a great and wonderful kingly power was established which ruled the entire island, many other islands and part of the continent. What’s more, even within the straits they ruled Africa as far as Egypt, and Europe as far as Tuscany{ in Italy}. This entire kingdom once constituted itself as one united force, and tried in a single onslaught to enslave your land and ours, and indeed, the entire territory inside the strait. Solon, it was then that the power of your city shone forth before all mankind in excellence and strength, as she stood pre-eminent over all, in nobility of spirit as well as skill in military affairs. At first she led the forces of the Greeks but then, when all of the others had deserted her, she stood alone facing extreme danger, triumphed over the invaders and set up a monument. She saved from slavery those who had not yet been enslaved; as for the others who dwell inside the Pillars of Heracles, she freed them all ungrudgingly.

Sometime later there was a huge earthquake and deluge, and there came a single grievous day and night in which your entire warrior class was suddenly swallowed by the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner sank beneath the sea and disappeared. Because of this the sea in those parts has now become impassable and un-navigable as it is blocked, just below the surface, by mud1 which was left by the island as it sank”.

Exact same story of current USA dominated NATO vs Russia.

Now Socrates, you have heard a shortened version of the account given by old Critias based on what Solon had heard. However yesterday when you were talking about the citizen-body and the men you mentioned, I was amazed to be reminded of the very details I have recounted just now, as I realised that, miraculously, by some chance, your account was in broad agreement with what Solon had recounted. I was reluctant to say anything immediately because it was a long time ago and I did not remember the story well enough. So I decided that I would first need to recollect everything properly for myself, and then tell the story. Accordingly, I quickly agreed to your assignments yesterday, being of the view that the biggest task in all such situations is to deliver a speech which fits the purpose, and that we were well equipped for this. So it was, as Hermocrates said, that as soon as I left here yesterday I told these men the story I had remembered and, after I left them, I went back over it during the night and remembered almost everything. Well I tell you, as the saying goes, the lessons of childhood have an amazing grip on the memory. In fact, I do not know if I would be able to recall to memory everything I heard yesterday, and yet, I would be completely surprised if any detail of that story which I heard so long ago has escaped me. I heard it with so much pleasure and 26C delight at the time, and the old man taught me so enthusiastically because of my constant questioning, that it has become like burnt-in impressions of indelible writing abiding within me. And in fact I recounted these very details to our friends here first thing this morning, so that they too would be well provided with stories to tell.

 

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UnchartedX has a new video on the Egyptian vases. It is quite amazing. They take some vases to professional metrologists, and the precision on these things is mindblowing - like, less than the width of a human hair. If you're interested in precision technology (these measuring instruments are amazing in and of themselves), or ancient high technology, check it out:

Having said that, from my perspective, especially considering the material the vases are made of, it is hard if not impossible to imagine that they did the Vases as mainstream archeology claims. Yes, it almost seems like something like "CNC machining" was used, judging from our perspective now. But on the other hand, depending on how precise the vases actually really are, it might be possible to make such vases pretty precisely in that way, without the need for things like CNC. If you know how to do such things, you might be able to do it with more "simple" methods; partly by hand and without necessarily needing something like CNC and/or electricity.

What I find so astonishing is that the creators of those vases, in case the measurements presented in this video are accurate, must have had at least our modern measuring capabilities to be able to create something so precise. I also think that such precision couldn't be a happy accident or unintended side effect, but rather the result of exact planning and execution. Another issue is the hardness of materials like granite. I think Ben and co make a convincing argument when they say that such an artefact needs to be tightly fixed during the manufacturing process and that there also has to be an exact way to guide the movements of the tool. I can hardly imagine you could achieve that by hand even with a much softer material. Unless the ancients had a degree of control over their bodies that goes far beyond what we think is possible. (I'm just imagining an ancient robot dancer ) The tool in question must have been capable of penetrating the material with either something harder than granite or it operated on an entirely different principle. Whatever it was, it's very unlikely that it was copper chisels and pounding stones. The walls of one of the granite vases is so thin that you can see light shining through the crystal inclusions and the vase interior seems to be as precise as the exterior! In one of the other UnchartedX-videos Ben showes some granite vase shards that are still lying around underneath the step pyramid. There you get an impression of the general vase interior, that indeed seems very precise.

Also the geometric proportions of its components seem to be interelated in a very distinct fashion according to the following video. Ben presents a mathematical analysis of one of the vases, revealing a sort of mathematical design concept, that can be even expressed by a precise mathematical formula, as the author of this analysis claims. Unfortunatelly I'm no mathematician and can't tell how valid this analysis is. If it is valid it might be possible to reconstruct the mathematical system of the ancient builders on the basis of many such analyses. There might be reoccuring patterns in the various artefacts that might provide further clues.