Atlantis

Remnants of the Atlantis ?

In one of Atlantis break up ( I think it is 2nd destruction 28K or 26K BCE), people moved first to Mexico(now) and then Yucatan and to Arizona. I think that is Atlantian technology, that cuts mountains like bread or butter.

From ATLANTIS, VOL. 1 CIRCULATING FILE - Edgar Cayce Readings copyright 1971, 1993-2007 by the Edgar Cayce Foundation
Atlantis and America

There are many ways in which the Atlantean civilizations influenced and continue to affect America‟s destiny. We will mention at this time only two major directions of this influence.

There are numerous references in the Edgar Cayce readings to periods in Atlantean history when one small group of men dominated their brothers, at times using occult powers of telepathy. Groups of men and women were enslaved for generations and bred like cattle for particular types of work. There are many individual references like the following:

“. . . in the Atlantean land during those periods between the second and the last upheavals; when there were the great antagonistic feelings between the sons of Belial and the children of the Law of One. The entity was among the children of the Law of One who made the greater overtures to those peoples for the acknowledging of the laborers, and to make their experiences easier - those laborers that were considered by many as merely things rather than individual souls.” (No. 1744-1)

“. . . as the Atlantean, during those periods when there were the questions arising much as may be termed in the land today, in a local section, as to the acknowledgement of the castes in a land where the untouchables are considered as but dogs among the higher castes.” (No. 333-2)
“. . . in the Atlantean land, when there were those periods of the oppressions by the sons of Belial and the children of the Law of One, and those peoples in the lesser position or the laboring class.
“The entity assisted its companion then to stand for those that were being the greater taxed, the greater oppressed, those that were being given less and less privileges for the enjoyments of the associations of their own families, the associations of the fruits of their own labors. And the entity then, in Ai-jakn, made for those stands that became the Ajax, to Asanain (?), to Alta, the principles for the preservation of the records that were set by the entity then in its stand when even destruction came for the material things of the land.
“In this again, stand fast for that as is thy ideal. For choose today. For there is set before thee good and evil, life and death; choose thou. For the spirit of truth maketh alive. Fear, doubt, condemnation, bringeth doubt, illness, fear, and then dissolution (disillusion?); and the hill to be climbed again.” (No. 1261-1)

“. . . in the Atlantean land, during those periods when there was the breaking up and the journeyings to the various lands.
The entity was among those who came to what is now the Yucatan land, later journeying with many of those peoples to the south and west, or in portions of Arizona, as now known.

“Through the experiences the entity was among those who made use of spiritual laws for material affectation; not so much in the abuse as in the negligence in supplying or in aiding others . . . that were of the groups of „things‟ to attain to a greater awareness.” (No. 2576-1)

“ . . in the Atlantean, and in that period when there were the beginning of the peoples harkening to those influences wherein one controlled another by the mental being.

“The entity rebelled against the mis-application, th e mis-use of those forces; gaining in part and losing mightily in that the entity used for self that of which she accused others. In this rebellion the entity lost, in that the entity turned same to self‟s own interests.” (No. 428-4)

There can be no question that slavery, and the racial problems coming from it which now face us in America, have become entangled in America‟s destiny, in America‟s karma, if you please.

Examine the American scene from the civil war through the growth of our vast industries, the rise of our labor unions, the development of our radical movements persecuting minorities, and our current Negro problems. By understanding our failures of the past we can build toward a better future. Did this heritage of evil purposes and selfishness come down to us from the ancient civilization of Atlantis? If so, a knowledge of this civilization might well bring us a better way of meeting the situation. Certainly it would bring us a warning of the “lower path.”
 
By the way, the C's confirmed both the axis shift and the litosphere (crustal) shift in the April 16, 2016 session:


So the location of the north pole was indeed further away from Siberia before the impact event about 12000 years ago, which would suggest that the Hudson Bay north pole theory (and ancient building being oriented towards it) is a good one to look into.
This is covered in Pierre's "Cometary Encounters."
 
Since C's mentioned Plato's Atlantis account is 70% accurate, looked for the dialog of it and came across this translation Plato's Timaeus by David Horon. Few excerpts from it and comments
Crit: I’ll tell you an ancient tale which I heard from a man no longer young. Indeed Critias was then, as he said, already close to ninety years old 21B while I was, at the most, ten. It happened to be the children’s day of the festival of Apaturia and the traditional event of the festival was also held as usual for the children, at which our fathers arranged a recitation contest for us. Many poems by many poets were recited but since Solon’s poems were new at the time many of the boys chanted them. 21C One of the clansmen said, either because he believed it or even to pay a compliment to Critias, that he thought that Solon was the wisest of men in every respect but also, in view of his poetry, the noblest of all poets. Then the old man, yes indeed, I remember it so vividly, was very pleased and he smiled and said: “Amynander, if Solon had not treated poetry as a distraction but had worked at it as others do, and completed the story which he brought here from Egypt, and had not been forced to neglect it due to the conflicts and the other problems he found here when he returned, then in my opinion, neither Hesiod nor Homer 21D nor any other poet would ever have been more famous than he.” “What was the story, Critias,” he asked. “Yes, it concerns the greatest deed this city has ever performed,” he replied, “it deserves to be her most famous achievement but, through lapse of time and the destruction of those who were involved, the story has not survived here.” “Tell it from the beginning,” he said. “What story did Solon tell, and how did he hear it, and who told him it was true?”

21E “In the Egyptian Delta”, he said, “near where the stream of the Nile divides at its estuary, there is a region called the Saitic and the largest city of this region is Sais. King Amasis came from there. The god who founded the city is called Neith in Egyptian and those people say this is Athena in Greek. They are great lovers of Athens and they claim to be related to us in some way. In fact Solon said that when he travelled there they held him in great respect, and what’s more, 22A on one occasion when he put a question about ancient times to the priests with most experience of such matters, he discovered that, in a sense, neither he nor any other Greek whatsoever knows the slightest thing about them. Once, Solon wanted to draw them into a discussion about antiquity, so he began to relate the most ancient stories from Athens; about Phoroneus who is said to be the first man and about Niobe, and he went on to tell the story of the flood and how Deucalion and Pyrrha survived it, and the family histories of these people, and he tried to estimate the time periods by recalling the exact number of years since the events he described. Then one of the priests who was a very old man, said: “O Solon, Solon, you Greeks are ever children! There is no Greek who is an old man.” When he heard this, Solon asked: “How can you say this?” “You are all young in soul”, he said. “Your souls do not possess a single doctrine heard of old or any teaching grey with age. 22C The reason is as follows: there have been and will be many destructions of humanity by various means, the most significant being by fire and water, the lesser kinds by myriad other means.
Little background of the origins of the story. Ancients are quite aware of Periodic destructions.
In fact you Athenians also have the story of how Phaethon, the child of the Sun, once harnessed his father’s chariot, but because he was not able to drive it along the path of the Sun he brought fire upon the earth and was himself killed by a thunderbolt.
Obviously, this is a cometary activity from viewer's vantage point. This is the story of Atlantis where "Athens" is located in modern day Russia.( as per C's)

This story is Almost similar to the story of monkey god Hanuman from Hindu epic Ramayan. Old "Athenians" has this story means, it may be from Younger Dryas event. From Wiki.
According to Valmiki's Ramayana, one morning in his childhood, Hanuman was hungry and saw the rising red-colored sun. Mistaking it for a ripe fruit, he leapt up to eat it. In one version of the Hindu legend, the king of gods Indra intervened and struck Hanuman with his thunderbolt. It hit Hanuman on his jaw, and he fell to the earth dead with a broken jaw. Hanuman's father Vayu (air) became upset and withdrew all the air on Earth. The lack of air created immense suffering to all living beings. This led Shiva to intervene and resuscitate Hanuman, which in turn prompted Vayu to return to the living beings. As the mistake was done by the god Indra, he grants Hanuman a wish that his body would be as strong as Indra's Vajra, and that his Vajra can also not harm him. Along with Indra other gods have also granted him wishes: the God Agni granted Hanuman a wish that fire won't harm him; God Varuna granted a wish for Hanuman that water won't harm him; God Vayu granted a wish for Hanuman that he will be as fast as wind and the wind won't harm him. Brahma also granted Hanuman a wish that he can move to any place where he cannot be stopped. Hence these wishes make Hanuman an immortal, who has unique powers and strength.

In another Hindu version of his childhood legend, which is likely older and also found in Jain texts such as the 8th-century Dhurtakhyana, Hanuman's Icarus-like leap for the sun proves to be fatal and he is burnt to ashes from the sun's heat. His ashes fall onto the earth and oceans.[51] Gods then gather the ashes and his bones from land and, with the help of fishes, re-assemble him. They find everything except one fragment of his jawbone. His great-grandfather on his mother's side then asks Surya to restore the child to life. Surya returns him to life, but Hanuman is left with a disfigured jaw.[51] Hanuman is said to have spent his childhood in Kishkindha.
Getting back to the Plato's story...
Now this is told in the form of a myth 22D but the truth is that there is an alteration of the motion of the heavenly bodies travelling around the earth and, at regular long intervals, destruction is wrought upon the earth’s surface by an enormous fire; when this happens, those who live in mountains, or high places, or dry places, suffer greater destruction than maritime or river dwelling folk. The Nile which is always our saviour, also saves us from this difficulty on such occasions by its rising. But whenever the gods flood the earth with water to purify it, the shepherds and herdsmen in the mountains are saved, while those who dwell in your cities are swept out to sea by the rivers. However in this land of ours, water does not pour down on the fields from above, not then, not ever, but on the contrary, it all comes up naturally from below. That’s the reason why the records preserved here are said to be most ancient of all. The truth is that in all places where excess heat or cold do not prevent it, there is always a human race sometimes in greater numbers, sometimes in lesser. 23A And whatever events we hear about in your country, or in ours, or anywhere else, that are somehow noble or significant or special in some other way, have all been written down in the temples here, from ancient times and preserved.

But in the case of yourselves and the other cities, as soon as you have been equipped with writing and whatever else a city requires, every time, after the usual cycle of years, the flood from heaven arrives again bearing down upon you like a plague, leaving only the illiterate and uncultured among you, so that you become like children all over again with no knowledge of events of ancient times either here or among yourselves.

Take the genealogies you have just related about your own people, Solon; these are little better than children’s stories. In the first place, you remember only one flood though many occurred before that, and you still do not realise that the noblest and most excellent race in the history of humanity once lived in your own country. 23C You and your entire city are descended from this race, from a small remnant of their seed, but you are unaware of this because, for many generations, those who survived left no written records when they died. But there was once a time, Solon, before the greatest ever destruction by water, when the city that is now Athens was better than any in war, and supremely well governed in every respect. Her deeds were reputed to have been the noblest, and the conduct of her affairs the fairest of any city we have heard of under heaven.”
It looks, some how Athenians of Russia during Atlantis time came to modern day Greece, used the same name (Which is pretty common all over the world) and that memory is retained in Egypt ( because they have documentation before the destruction of Alexandrian library?).
When did they migrate? Is it "Sea people" before bronze age destruction (3rd millennium BCE destructions from Venus settle down + 2300 BCE giant comet disintegration destructions + 1600 BCE comet cluster destructions?)
23D When he heard this Solon said he was amazed and, in all earnestness, he asked the priests to recount everything about the ancient citizens of Athens, precisely and in due order. The priest replied: “No one will grudge you this, Solon, so I shall tell you the story for your sake and for the sake of your city but especially in gratitude to the goddess who has adopted, nurtured and educated your city and ours. Your city was first by a thousand years 23E when she took your seed from Earth and Hephaestus: this city came later. The civilisation here is recorded in our sacred writings as being eight thousand years old. So I shall be giving you a brief overview of your citizens from nine thousand years ago, their laws and the most splendid of the deeds they performed. But we shall go over everything in detail and due order some other time 24A at leisure when we access the actual records.

Now compare your laws with ours, for you will find many instances of your ancient laws in operation here today. Firstly, the priestly class is kept apart from the others. Then the class of manufacturers works by itself and does not mix with another, and the same applies to herdsmen, 24B hunters and farmers. What’s more, the warrior class here, I presume you have noticed, is kept apart from all the other classes, as they are enjoined by law to be concerned with nothing except military matters. And even the style of our armour is based on shields and spears which we were the first people in Asia to adopt, as the goddess instructed us in this, just as she first instructed you in your region.

24C Furthermore I presume you observe the extent to which tradition in Egypt has been concerned, from the very outset, with practical wisdom and the cosmos: discovering everything right down to prophecy and medicine for health by applying those divine considerations to human concerns, and mastering all other learning which derives from these. Now this is in fact the overall structure and regulation which the goddess devised at the time she first founded your city, selecting the place in which you were born because she saw that the temperate climate there would produce the wisest men. Seeing that the goddess was a lover of war and a lover of wisdom she chose the place likely to produce men who were most akin to herself 24D and there she first founded a city. There you dwelt adopting such regulations as these; indeed you were even better regulated having surpassed all other men in every kind of excellence, just as you would expect from a people born from and educated by the gods. Now the numerous great deeds of your city which are recorded here are a wonder, but there is one which surpasses them all in importance and excellence. For our records tell how great a power it was that once surged forth from the Atlantic Ocean and proceeded insolently against all of Europe and Asia, at the same time, a power which your city stopped. In fact the ocean in the area was navigable then, and there was an island in front of the strait which your people tell me they call the Pillars of Heracles. This island was bigger than Africa and Asia together and it was possible in those days for travellers to get from there to the other islands, and from the islands to the entire adjacent continent which surrounds that real ocean. For these places that are inside the strait we are speaking of, resemble a harbour with a narrow entrance, but the ocean outside is a real ocean and the land that surrounds it may truly and correctly be termed a continent.
I think some people consider Rock of Gibraltor as "Pillars of Heracles". Here "Africa" and "Asia" are not modern day geographical boundaries, only a limited sections of it.
Now on this island of Atlantis a great and wonderful kingly power was established which ruled the entire island, many other islands and part of the continent. What’s more, even within the straits they ruled Africa as far as Egypt, and Europe as far as Tuscany{ in Italy}. This entire kingdom once constituted itself as one united force, and tried in a single onslaught to enslave your land and ours, and indeed, the entire territory inside the strait. Solon, it was then that the power of your city shone forth before all mankind in excellence and strength, as she stood pre-eminent over all, in nobility of spirit as well as skill in military affairs. At first she led the forces of the Greeks but then, when all of the others had deserted her, she stood alone facing extreme danger, triumphed over the invaders and set up a monument. She saved from slavery those who had not yet been enslaved; as for the others who dwell inside the Pillars of Heracles, she freed them all ungrudgingly.

Sometime later there was a huge earthquake and deluge, and there came a single grievous day and night in which your entire warrior class was suddenly swallowed by the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner sank beneath the sea and disappeared. Because of this the sea in those parts has now become impassable and un-navigable as it is blocked, just below the surface, by mud1 which was left by the island as it sank”.
Exact same story of current USA dominated NATO vs Russia.
Now Socrates, you have heard a shortened version of the account given by old Critias based on what Solon had heard. However yesterday when you were talking about the citizen-body and the men you mentioned, I was amazed to be reminded of the very details I have recounted just now, as I realised that, miraculously, by some chance, your account was in broad agreement with what Solon had recounted. I was reluctant to say anything immediately because it was a long time ago and I did not remember the story well enough. So I decided that I would first need to recollect everything properly for myself, and then tell the story. Accordingly, I quickly agreed to your assignments yesterday, being of the view that the biggest task in all such situations is to deliver a speech which fits the purpose, and that we were well equipped for this. So it was, as Hermocrates said, that as soon as I left here yesterday I told these men the story I had remembered and, after I left them, I went back over it during the night and remembered almost everything. Well I tell you, as the saying goes, the lessons of childhood have an amazing grip on the memory. In fact, I do not know if I would be able to recall to memory everything I heard yesterday, and yet, I would be completely surprised if any detail of that story which I heard so long ago has escaped me. I heard it with so much pleasure and 26C delight at the time, and the old man taught me so enthusiastically because of my constant questioning, that it has become like burnt-in impressions of indelible writing abiding within me. And in fact I recounted these very details to our friends here first thing this morning, so that they too would be well provided with stories to tell.
 
UnchartedX has a new video on the Egyptian vases. It is quite amazing. They take some vases to professional metrologists, and the precision on these things is mindblowing - like, less than the width of a human hair. If you're interested in precision technology (these measuring instruments are amazing in and of themselves), or ancient high technology, check it out:
Having said that, from my perspective, especially considering the material the vases are made of, it is hard if not impossible to imagine that they did the Vases as mainstream archeology claims. Yes, it almost seems like something like "CNC machining" was used, judging from our perspective now. But on the other hand, depending on how precise the vases actually really are, it might be possible to make such vases pretty precisely in that way, without the need for things like CNC. If you know how to do such things, you might be able to do it with more "simple" methods; partly by hand and without necessarily needing something like CNC and/or electricity.
What I find so astonishing is that the creators of those vases, in case the measurements presented in this video are accurate, must have had at least our modern measuring capabilities to be able to create something so precise. I also think that such precision couldn't be a happy accident or unintended side effect, but rather the result of exact planning and execution. Another issue is the hardness of materials like granite. I think Ben and co make a convincing argument when they say that such an artefact needs to be tightly fixed during the manufacturing process and that there also has to be an exact way to guide the movements of the tool. I can hardly imagine you could achieve that by hand even with a much softer material. Unless the ancients had a degree of control over their bodies that goes far beyond what we think is possible. (I'm just imagining an ancient robot dancer :-P) The tool in question must have been capable of penetrating the material with either something harder than granite or it operated on an entirely different principle. Whatever it was, it's very unlikely that it was copper chisels and pounding stones. The walls of one of the granite vases is so thin that you can see light shining through the crystal inclusions and the vase interior seems to be as precise as the exterior! In one of the other UnchartedX-videos Ben showes some granite vase shards that are still lying around underneath the step pyramid. There you get an impression of the general vase interior, that indeed seems very precise.

Also the geometric proportions of its components seem to be interelated in a very distinct fashion according to the following video. Ben presents a mathematical analysis of one of the vases, revealing a sort of mathematical design concept, that can be even expressed by a precise mathematical formula, as the author of this analysis claims. Unfortunatelly I'm no mathematician and can't tell how valid this analysis is. If it is valid it might be possible to reconstruct the mathematical system of the ancient builders on the basis of many such analyses. There might be reoccuring patterns in the various artefacts that might provide further clues.

 

Are the Precision Ancient Stone Vases Modern Fakes? Provenance, and Scanning in the Petrie Museum!


In this 20 minutes video about the authenticity of the hard stone vases, Ben from UnchartedX also brings forward convincing counter arguments against the debunking efforts of Flint Dibble and other critics. Flint Dibble is the archeologist, who confronted Graham Hancock on the Joe Rogan Experience last year.

This video also involves an update on the vase scan project: In addition to the vases from private collectors, Adam Young and other members of the vase scan team spent two days in the Petrie Museum in London, scanning official museum pieces with a structured light scanner. According to Adam half of the scanned vases are precise, meaning that they are in the same ballpark as the previously scanned collector pieces. It's nice to see that the project is gaining traction and that they are able to add more and more real data, which seems to strongly suggest, that there has been a highly sophisticated lost civilisation at work here. As Ben mentioned in earlier videos, many of those hard stone vases have been found in predynastic burials, one dating as as far back as 14,500 years ago (Toshke).
 
I wanted to share some thoughts on a few topics regarding Atlantis that I have been looking into.

Richat structure and "Green Sahara"

There is something I came across that I think disproves the "Atlantis in the Sahara" (Richat structure) theory:

The "Green Sahara" lasted only from about 12,600 BC to 3,000 BC. Before that the Sahara was green for a relatively short time around 80,000 BC (source). Between 80,000 BC and 12,600 BC the Sahara was a desert like now - including the Richat structure.

It seems very unlikely that the main city of Atlantis would have been located in a desert, far from the coast and with no rivers or any kind of vegetation nearby. Jimmy from Bright Insight and others who think that Atlantis was at the Richat structure do not seem to be aware that the "Green Sahara" started slowly only a couple thousand years before the Younger Dryas catastrophe.

Why on an island?

Another thing I wondered about is why the center of Atlantis was located on an island ("Poseidonis"?) that was apparently not even that large towards the end 12000 years ago. Other potential Atlantean colonies like the Bahamas were islands as well during the Ice Age.

Could it be that megafauna was the reason? As in, the islands were cleared of the huge animals, but the continents still had a lot of them - which made living there much more dangerous?

Also, if one of the main Atlantean crystals is still in the Bahamas or the Bermuda region (400-500 miles east of Florida, according to the C's), could the Bahamas or the Caribbean have been the "main" Atlantis islands? That is what the Dark Journalist thinks after looking deeply into the whole topic and making some fascinating discoveries.

Degeneration of technology?

Yet another thing I wondered about is whether the Atlantean technology degenerated or was lost after the first two cataclysms (48,000 BC and 26,000 BC according to the C's), in particular the interplanetary travel capabilities. The C's mentioned recently that the pyramids on Mars were built by Atlanteans around 50,000 BC:

Session Date: February 25th 2023

Q: (Ursus Minor) When did the Atlanteans start building pyramids on Mars?

A: Also about 50k years ago.

This suggests that the height of Atlantean technology may have been around that time, shortly before the first cataclysm in 48,000 BC.

From crystal technology to stone technology?

One final topic I wanted to touch is that technology seems to have shifted from crystals to stones at some point. According to the C's, both the pyramids and the megaliths were used for similar purposes as the large Atlantean crystals before that. I wonder what the reason for this shift was - why did people stop using crystals and switched to megalithic stones instead?

Did the Earth environment change in some way, making the crystal technology obsolete or no longer functional? Or did people simply forget how to use crystals after the cataclysms? Was it a deliberate decision to no longer use them?

In fact, the use of the stone megaliths and pyramids also stopped at some point (much more recently). What was the reason?
 
So there were basically three parts to the final destruction of Atlantis, decades or more apart:

1. comets (10600 BC)
2. deluge (40 years later)
3. crystals (unknown year, enough time for Atlantis to recover after the comets and deluge)
Since the discussion with @seek10 of the three-step destruction of Atlantis does not really fit into the Matriarchy thread, it is probably better to continue it here.

YOUNGER DRYAS
I was just watching a new Graham Hancock presentation about the Younger Dryas. He mentioned that its end at around 9700 BC with an extremely rapid warming after about 900 years of very cold temperatures is much less well understood or explained.

The beginning of the Younger Dryas around 10,600 BC has a lot of evidence for comet or asteroid impacts, even including a significant sea level rise as the temperatures were falling rapidly (normally, the opposite happens). This can be explained by:

1) impacts into the ice sheet
2) the collapse of the worldwide water canopy atmosphere and/or
3) water from Mars being sucked towards the Earth by gigantic plasma discharge that may have created the Valles Marineris on Mars.

THE WATER CANOPY COLLAPSE
In fact, the timing of the collapse of the water canopy in the atmosphere is also very unclear. It seems that it probably happened either at the beginning of the Younger Dryas (by comet impacts or the flood of Mars water?) or at the end of the Younger Dryas when extremely rapid warming took place within a short time - and extremely rapid rise of sea levels called "meltwater pulse 1B".

Interestingly, the other rapid sea level rise, "meltwater pulse 1A", appears to have happened at least a thousand years before the Younger Dryas began (before the comets and the water from Mars 40 years later):

Postglacial_Sea_level_Rise_Curve_and_Meltwater_Pulses_(MWP).jpg

For some reason it is difficult to find a graph that shows both the sea level rise (like in the image above) and the change in global temperatures. It would show more clearly the anomalous continued sea level rise during the exteme cooling of the Younger Dryas.

FINAL DESTRUCTION OF ATLANTIS BY CRYSTALS
How much was any of this connected to the crystals that according to the C's destroyed the remaining Atlantis landmass after it recovered from the comet impacts and the flood caused by Mars water?

The crystals seem to have been a sort of power plant or energy collector used for all sorts of purposes.

There was for sure a cataclysm at the start of the Younger Dryas (10,600 BC) and possibly a another more mysterious and unexplained one 900 years later when that extreme cooling episode ended as rapidly as it began. Some researchers including Graham Hancock think that much stronger solar activity could have ended the Younger Dryas.

Is it possible that the final destruction of Atlantis through crystals happened at the end of Younger Dryas? The 900 years after the comets and the Flood would have been enough time for Atlantis to recover.

I am speculating here, but could the crystals have been used for warming the atmosphere and this is what lead to the collapse of the water canopy (meltwater pulse 1B?) and also an unforeseen destruction of the remaining Atlantis landmass? Though why would the Atlanteans wait 900 years to do this warming? And why do it only after they already recovered from the comets and the Flood?

In what way did the crystals destroy the remaining Atlantis landmass? Was the energy of the crystals misdirected and caused earthquakes or a major subduction of land?

AZORES AT THE TRIPLE JUNCTION
If the main remaining Atlantis landmass was in the Azores (which is what Randall Carlson thinks), that area is right at a triple junction of three major continents. Randall thinks that is why the Azores area sank much lower than we think, due to:

1. Isostatic forces (North American and European plates rising where the ice shields melted, causing land to subside in the surrounding regions), as well as
2. Eustatic forces (more water mass in the oceans forcing the submerged plateau much further down at the triple junction).

The Azores are basically in a very vulnerable spot as far as earthquakes or potential major movement of land up or down is concerned. If energy from the crystals was applied there, it could have also caused or contributed to the sinking of the Azores plateau.
 
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Since the discussion with @seek10 of the three-step destruction of Atlantis does not really fit into the Matriarchy thread, it is probably better to continue it here.
axj said:
The 8500 BC date is based only on Cayce?
Not really from Cayce. If I remember correctly, he doesn't mention of destruction due to crystals...
The Otto Muck data of the final Atlantis breakup event is 10.6K event (as per Cayce's). That leaves WHEN is the Crystal destruction event?

Reading 'Plato the prehistorian' (missing 8.5K to 4.5 BCE in records in Egypt), triggered the thought process. I need to reread and reevaluate this data point. thank you for pointing out.
I was rereading Cayce's Atlantis, he does mention about crystal over-tuning caused his 28,000 BCE(his 2nd destruction). some how I ignored it as i was inclined towards comets from another book. I will post the Cayce's Atlantis content at the end. There is some Confusion of 3's and it may be also related to multiple visible "Venus Mars battles" ( one during the Noah's flood period and another one during Venus settling period as Velikovsky wrote).

I am still not sure i am interpreting content from session november 16th and 19th 1994 sessions correctly But, If I make crystal destruction as 26K BCE event ( multiple things are going on at that time - arrival of solar system HQ etc), it may explain the confusion? Then I will have to end Atlantis period with Noah's flood in my cosmology chart (which I will, this interpretation is correct).

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session-16-november-1994
Q: (L) Did Atlantis go down as a series of destructions?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How many cataclysms?

A: Three.

Q: (L) Were these cataclysms all caused by the same source?

A: No.

Q: (L) And you said that the "flood of Noah" was the story of the final deluge and destruction of Atlantis?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And that was caused by what?

A: Venus.

Q: (L) I thought you said it was caused by Martek?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, how can it be caused by Venus if it was caused by Martek?

A: Venus also "caused" Martek.

Q: (L) You said that the earth, up to that time, was surrounded by a water vapor canopy, correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And when Mars came by it overloaded the earth's atmosphere and it fell as a deluge, correct?

A: Close.

Q: (L) When did Venus enter the solar system?

A: 80000 years approximately.

Q: (L) How many close passes to the earth did Venus make?

A: Seven.

Q: (L) Was Venus involved with the planet Kantek which you said exploded due to psychic energies generated by its inhabitants?

A: No.
session-19-november-1994
Q: (T) Who created the structures on the moon that Richard Hoagland has discovered?

A: Atlanteans.

Q: (T) What did they use these structures for?

A: Energy transfer points for crystalline power/symbolism as in monuments or statuary.

Q: (T) What statuary are you referring to?

A: Example is face.

Q: (T) What power did these crystals gather?

A: Sun.

Q: (T) Was it necessary for them to have power gathering stations on Mars and the Moon. Did this increase their power?

A: Not necessary but it is not necessary for you to have a million dollars either. Get the correlation? Atlanteans were power hungry the way your society is money hungry.

Q: (T) Was the accumulation of this power what brought about their downfall?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Did they lose control of this power?

A: It overpowered them the same way your computers will overpower you.

Q: (V) Is it similar to them gaining a life and intelligence of their own?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) You mean these crystalline structures came to life, so to speak?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And then what did they do?

A: Destroyed Atlantis.

Q: (L) But I thought that Atlantis was destroyed because of the close passage of another body of the solar system?

A: Was damaged but recovered.

Q: (L) So Atlantis was damaged by a close passage of Mars or whatever and then recovered from that damage, is that correct?

A: Part of landmass, but not all, was destroyed.

Q: (L) So, how many seperate destructions did Atlantis experience?

A: Three.

Q: (L) One was caused by the close passage of Mars?

A: Yes. And comets.

Q: (L) Was Mars and the comets loosely interactive?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And the second was caused by what?

A: Venus.

Q: (L) And the third and final destruction was caused by what?

A: Crystals.

Q: (T) Are the crystals still active?

A: Bermuda triangle.

Reconciling Cayce's and C's has some limitations ( Cayce's jesus bias, later interpretations in finding Atlantis and his reading akashic records in response to questioner (where free will limits what comes out) etc.) , but generally helpful in giving some decent picture of Atlantis. Here is a overview from the book.

Overview of Cayce’s Atlantis

In this book, we have attempted to be as accurate as possible in presenting Cayce’s story of Atlantis. But it has to be acknowledged that a few readings could be viewed as inconsistent or, at the least, open to alternative interpretations. These are discussed in subsequent chapters. In this section our goal is to provide a thumbnail sketch of Cayce’s Atlantis.

The readings actually introduce Atlantis by discussing the first appearance of human consciousness on earth. However, according to Cayce, these “people” were more like thought forms projected into primitive life than the human beings we know today. The readings indicate that a portion of southwest America was occupied over 10 million years ago, a time when the earth’s land surface differed greatly from that of today. The land of Lemuria, or Mu, was located to the west of the Americas long before the island of Atlantis was occupied. The destruction of Mu occurred sometime around 50,000 B.C. (Cayce’s information on Atlantis is far more detailed than that he provided on Mu.) But this 50,000 B. C. destruction was directly linked to what is called the first destruction of Atlantis.

Atlantis, located in the area of the Atlantic Ocean stretching from Gibraltar to the Gulf of Mexico, was first occupied by an advanced race of humans in 210,000 B.C. By 50,000 B.C., the country had developed an advanced culture with strange technology. Cayce’s Atlantis was a maritime culture throughout its entire existence, trading with nearly all of the other lands of the world. Plentiful natural resources existed on the temperate islands, and the Atlanteans used stone skillfully and were adept at various forms of metalworking. Temples were constructed in the cities, and numerous canals were used for irrigation and navigation.

Perhaps the most public fascination with Cayce’s Atlantis concerns a mysterious crystal, which has long been interpreted to imply a laserlike device. But the use of the crystal started rather simply and gradually became a focal point of a struggle between two factions in Atlantis. In the beginning, the Atlanteans were a spiritual people ruled by a peaceful group Cayce termed the Law of One. But gradually, the Belial (self-aggrandizement) influence began to manifest. An ongoing spiritual and material battle was waged between these two groups. The Sons of Belial worshiped self-aggrandizement, sought power over others, and practiced human sacrifice. Cayce stated that they had no standard of morality, no sense of right and wrong. In contrast, the Children of the Law of One worshiped one God, sought spiritual and physical attunement with the Creator, and espoused the ideal of treating others as oneself in their day-to-day lives.

But the Belial group consistently waged war and sought domination over others in their relentless pursuit of material wealth. While these actions appear to reflect Plato’s descriptions of the Atlantis Empire as warlike, there is something more implied in Cayce’s version of the story. In brief, according to Cayce, there was a more etheric or spiritual component in the Belial group’s conflicts, which led to ill-defined destructive forces entering the earth. These destructive forces were, in part, responsible for the series of catastrophic events that befell Atlantis.

Cayce’s story of how the destructive forces were unleashed is entwined with the mysterious crystal. The story begins with the “White Stone,” a stone “in the form of a six-sided figure”, which was also referred to as the “Tuaoi stone.” Initially, this stone was used for communication with the divine, in a way that appears similar to how Native American shaman utilize crystals. A priestess of the Law of One would gather together a group and concentrate on the stone, eventually entering an altered state of consciousness. From the stone would come a form of speech interpreted by the priestess. The speech came from what Cayce referred to as the “saint realm,” which imparted “understanding and knowledge” to the group.

As the Sons of Belial came to realize the unlimited power inherent in the stone, they began using it for selfish purposes. Gradually, the stone was set as a crystal, and the lights emanating from it were focused and utilized. The Atlanteans developed a system to collect and focus the rays of the sun, with the crystal housed in a domed building atop a multitiered structure. Cayce related that the focused energy was used to create heat to generate gases. These gases were employed in the turning of multi-geared wheels (to perform a variety of tasks) and also to fill what are described as hot air balloons and large, Zeppelin-like aircraft. In fact, when asked to describe aircraft at the height of Atlantean civilization, Cayce stated that the skins of elephants and other animals were sewn together to form the outer surface of these craft. He added that the gases were sometimes also used to propel these craft. Other readings refer to the Atlanteans using hot air balloons for transportation around the world. But the Atlanteans also had ships that could move under water.

The uses of this crystal were many and included a form of communication, which could be seen as similar to modern radio and television. But the Cayce readings on utilization of the crystal as a communication device can also be interpreted as meaning that the Atlanteans could project reflected beams of light into the air. This could be utilized for communication, but the exact meaning of these mysterious readings is not yet completely understood.

Whatever may be the correct interpretation of this aspect of Cayce’s readings, the first destruction appears to have resulted from volcanic activity, which was stimulated by utilizing the crystal’s energy as a weapon. According to Cayce, in 50,722 B.C., a meeting was held of the world’s leaders to discuss how to cope with large herds of huge animals that were overrunning entire regions. A plan was made to use the rays of the crystal to produce explosions that would destroy the animals. The focused rays of the crystal were turned toward the earth and caused huge gas pockets to be released in the area of the Sargasso Sea. These gases apparently exploded causing a domino-effect series of catastrophic events eventually breaking Atlantis into five major islands. Cayce related that the catastrophic events included a buildup of ice and a shift in the earth’s poles that resulted not only in the destruction of a large portion of Atlantis, but also in the destruction of most of the large islands. During this time period, many Atlanteans fled the disasters by migrating to other places around the world.

By 28,000 B. C. Atlantis had not only regained its technology but actually surpassed it. Machinery, electrical devices, and power transmission sources utilizing crystals are described. But the conflicts between the Sons of Belial and the Children of the Law of One not only resurfaced, they worsened. The continual feuds between the groups caused many Atlanteans to flee to the Americas, the Pyrenees Mountains, and Egypt. The Tuaoi Stone, once a conduit to God, had now become a “terrible crystal” or a “firestone”—an energy source that could be easily utilized as a powerful weapon. Cayce relates that Atlantis had several crystals set up into power stations located at various places. For unclear reasons, the crystals were accidentally tuned too high, causing a violent destruction. The eruptions left Atlantis with three large islands and several smaller ones. Most people accept 28,000 B. C. as the date for this event, but there is one reading that could point to the year 22,000 B.C. As occurred with the first destruction, Atlanteans migrated to various places following this event.

After the second destruction, Atlantis again faced rebuilding itself. But the much smaller islands apparently never saw a full return to the height of technology reached just before the second destruction in 28,000 B.C. During this final phase of Atlantis, the Sons of Belial seemed to have become the dominant political force oppressing all those who opposed them. Cayce does not discuss a war with the people living inside the Straits of Gibraltar, but this time period corresponds to the Atlantis described by Plato. Curiously, Cayce relates that an Atlantean priest became aware that an inevitable cataclysmic event was going to result in the near total destruction of all the remaining lands of Atlantis. This awareness came from contacts with a higher intelligence that could be interpreted as either extraterrestrial or psychic in nature and occurred sometime between 11,000 B.C. to 10,500 B.C. This source also revealed to the priest a plan to preserve records of Atlantis in three different locations. The priesthood of Atlantis subsequently made three identical sets of records and sent out groups to establish these identical “Halls of Records” at three locations. One of these was placed in the Bahamas, another at Giza near the Sphinx, and the third in the Yucatan peninsula. Shortly before the final destruction, more Atlanteans migrated to various places around the world. Cayce never gave an exact date for the final destruction of Atlantis. However, Cayce scholars generally agree that it was around 10,000 B.C. The cause of this destructive event is obscure, but Cayce related that the last destruction was ultimately brought about because of war between the Children of the Law of One and the Sons of Belial. As to the source of the destructive act, Cayce quoted scripture: “They that turn their face far from me, I will blot them out.” In so doing, Cayce may have given us a clue about the source of the final catastrophe—it may well have been caused by a heavenly body striking the earth, the same cause implied by Plato.
 
session-16-november-1994 "It overpowered them the same way your computers will overpower you. [...] Destroyed Atlantis."

Because it is now >30 years since this quote, I had thought about adding this to questions for the Cs, about our computers overpowering us. Whether that has already happened, perhaps, if it needs to come first before "natural" cataclysm, or whether it is the cataclysm itself.
 
Because it is now >30 years since this quote, I had thought about adding this to questions for the Cs, about our computers overpowering us. Whether that has already happened, perhaps, if it needs to come first before "natural" cataclysm, or whether it is the cataclysm itself.

Here is a overview from the book.
By 28,000 B. C. Atlantis had not only regained its technology but actually surpassed it. Machinery, electrical devices, and power transmission sources utilizing crystals are described. But the conflicts between the Sons of Belial and the Children of the Law of One not only resurfaced, they worsened. The continual feuds between the groups caused many Atlanteans to flee to the Americas, the Pyrenees Mountains, and Egypt. The Tuaoi Stone, once a conduit to God, had now become a “terrible crystal” or a “firestone”—an energy source that could be easily utilized as a powerful weapon. Cayce relates that Atlantis had several crystals set up into power stations located at various places. For unclear reasons, the crystals were accidentally tuned too high, causing a violent destruction. The eruptions left Atlantis with three large islands and several smaller ones. Most people accept 28,000 B. C. as the date for this event, but there is one reading that could point to the year 22,000 B.C. As occurred with the first destruction, Atlanteans migrated to various places following this event.
This reminded me suspected cause ( at least one hypothesis) of AI 171 flight that killed 200+ people recently.
Another Video about the cause of the AI 171 plane crash. This video says, one of the sensor that supposed to monitor whether plane is on the ground or air, 'malfunctioned' and marked it on the ground. Malfunctioned is a wrong word as the sensor is still functioning and too sure of its data. This info. is fed to automated system that didn't allow human intervention. So plane is paralyzed in the mid air- called "system confusion".

It looks Boeing sent a update to the software few days before the crash and DIDN'T mark it as a urgent. It was not clear what this software update supposed to be correcting. It looks another pilot in europe observed the problem and notified Boeing 4 years back, but ignored it as a "statistically insignificant".


Obvious question is what contributed to the sensor misreading the Plane's state? Any cosmic rays on the electronics?
Too much automation bypassing manual intervention (or people who are supposed to intervene has no clue of what to do) create all sorts of problems. In the case AI171 case, the scope of disaster is only to the people (and families) on the plane and on the crash site victims. People are addicted AI (not even validating them), cell phones and every human transaction is linked to these devices. Any interruption to these communications can crash every thing companies to services to food.

In the case of these crystals, scope is planetary. If we add C's comments of crystals ability to open dimensions, we were talking gigantic mess.
 
The continual feuds between the groups caused many Atlanteans to flee to the Americas, the Pyrenees Mountains, and Egypt.
This reminds me of prognosticators I've read last year, Vincent Tolman (posted about here) and Alyssa Conger (posted about here), both of whom said that there would be a split in the human population that caused some, who refuse and reject the self-destructive official narratives, to move to remote locations to start new communities where they would survive, while the authoritarian followers would effectively perish.
 
I am still not sure i am interpreting content from session november 16th and 19th 1994 sessions correctly But, If I make crystal destruction as 26K BCE event ( multiple things are going on at that time - arrival of solar system HQ etc), it may explain the confusion? Then I will have to end Atlantis period with Noah's flood in my cosmology chart (which I will, this interpretation is correct).
Well, the C's did explicitly say that the final destruction of Atlantis was caused by the crystals. The confusion may be due to that final destruction having been a three-step process with 1) comets, 2) flood from Mars water and water canopy collapse and 3) crystals some time later after a partial recovery.

Cayce apparently did not specify what the final destruction of Atlantis around 10,000 BC was caused by, other than that some seers saw a coming cataclysm. So it is possible that crystals were at least partly the cause of both the second and the third Atlantean cataclysms.

Considering what Cayce says about the main Atlantean crystal having become "the terrible crystal" or "firestone" due to STS-type misuse as a weapon, as well as the C's saying that the crystals gained some sort of consciousness and destroyed Atlantis, it looks like this may be the answer to how the final destruction of Atlantis happened. Whereas the second cataclysm at around 26,000 BC was apparently due to "tuning the crystal(s) too high", which sounds like at that point the crystals did not gain consciousness yet.

Interestingly, the C's said that these main Atlantean crystals are still here in several places on and off the planet, that their locations are known to the cabal, but that apparently nobody knows how to use that technology.

Also, the question about the timing of the water vapor canopy collapse was answered in the November 16, 1994 session I think. The C's said that it happened at the time of the Mars water flood:

November 16, 1994

Q: (L) You said that the earth, up to that time, was surrounded by a water vapor canopy, correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And when Mars came by it overloaded the earth's atmosphere and it fell as a deluge, correct?

A: Close.

Since the answer was "Close", maybe the gargantuan plasma discharge(s) between Earth and Mars also played a role in changing Earth's atmosphere and cause the water vapor canopy collapse, along with causing some even deeper changes on Earth:

October, 22 1994

Q: (L) Did that condition prior to the flood of Noah, the altered gravitational state as well as the water vapor canopy, was that condition more conducive to extended life spans than the conditions that exist on the planet now?

A: Not only those things but all the other conditions that existed on the planet at that particular point in space/time were more conducive to longer life spans. And, by the way, Noah is a symbolic message rather than an historical event.
 
In the case of these crystals, scope is planetary. If we add C's comments of crystals ability to open dimensions, we were talking gigantic mess.
Yup:

(irjO) At the time of the final destruction of Atlantis, did the crystals create unstable dimensional windows that resulted in a portion of the Atlantean land and its occupants going to another dimension/reality?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Didn't expect that.

(irjO) If yes, what is the probability that such a lost land might rejoin our reality as the Earth transitions to 4D?

A: Zero.
 
I wonder what the remains of land going to another dimension may look like geographically.

For example, some of the large seamounts in the North Atlantic (including the aptly named Atlantis seamount and Great Meteor seamount) have very flat tops, which I think is not that common for other major seamounts.

Erosion could be the cause or maybe those tops literally "went elsewhere".

These seamounts are located just south of the Azores plateau:

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Great Meteor is the largest seamount in the North Atlantic and its flat top is just 150 meters below the surface - which is about 10 meters below the sealevel during the Glacial Maximum. Just a coincidence that its flat top stops just tens of meters shy of the water level around 10,000 BC?
 
One more data point for this , although it doesn't seem to elucidate more precisely on cataclysms dates , Malta . According to these quotes it was inhabited by Atlanteans at some point , and even had drones there , but it does give us a possible date for reconstruction past a previous cataclysm.

Session 27 May 2000 :

(...)

Q: (L) How long ago were these ruts or grooves formed?

A: 14019 years ago as you measure it.

Q: (L) Was this before the temple structures were built on Malta?

A: Yes. Survivors built those.

(...)

A: Magnetic disturbance, human cause.

Q: (L) What do you mean by that? Are you saying that the magnetic disturbance was caused by humans, or that the magnetic disturbance contributed to the cause of the ruts, and that the ruts were caused by humans, in such case, how did they cause the ruts in relation to the magnetic disturbance?

A: No. Calamities caused magnetic disturbances. Picture a short circuit in the global crystal power grid

(....)

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Session 5 August 2009

(...)

Q: (L) Okay, next question: Who built the Hypogeum in Malta?

A: Ancient "circle people".

(...)

Q: (L) To what kind of humanoid creatures do the dolicephalic skulls found in various sites in Malta belong to?

A: "Drones."

(...)
 
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