AUTOIMMUNE DISEASES CAUSED BY AN INFECTION?

[Foxx]

I used to take 6 drops of 12% but kept getting sore throat, swelled lymph nodes and ill so I dropped down to 2 a day.
I've done a nuke dose this weekend though, along with Olive leaf, VD3, ALA, etc etc. Maybe taking the iodine, doxy and all the rest will help?
Also, having nuke doses on the weekends could help too, and I'll take Benadryl to help.

Will the iodine and antibiotics of any kind react to one another?
I can afford little things like EDTA, or DMSA over time. I'm still just trying to crawl out of my overdraft

What did you use as a nuke dose? Looking online it looks like there's a 12% Lugol's solution sold in the UK that's 5.5mg of elemental iodine (as iodine and potassium iodide) per drop; is that the right amount for your Lugol's solution? I'd like to know the total amount of iodine per drop to have a better idea of how much you were taking.

The sore throat and lymph node response suggests that it was killing something (or multiple things). Some pathogens can take quite a while to kill, so it may be the case that you were having some success in killing them, but that it wasn't long enough to kill them entirely and that your body wasn't quite up to the task of detoxing all the waste generated by killing them. One thing that may help with the negative response from killing pathogens is activated charcoal, which is relatively inexpensive and pretty good at mopping up a variety of toxins, I think even including waste from dead pathogens. For nausea induced by toxic overload, it is very effective and I found it to be very helpful for me overall for quite a while (probably at least 1 tsp a day for at least 6 months). The dosage would probably be somewhere around 1 tsp 1-3 times per day, or as needed; the powder is cheaper, so I'd recommend that (it's also very useful to have in general). While eliminating pathogens, make sure that you're having bowel movements frequently enough to move the toxins out of the system, so ensure that you're taking enough magnesium, though not to the point of loose stools.

Also, I think I'd still recommend continuing to eat a reasonable/moderate amount of carbs rather than attempting the ketogenic diet at this time, since it sounds like there's a fungal overgrowth going on there (but likely also other pathogens) and I think the fungal overgrowth will actually be easier to treat while eating a moderate amount of carbs.

 

[Ruth]

I'm never 100% healthy, I'm sick/ nauseated/ have aches, pains pretty much everyday at some point. My breasts are always super itchy if I had a little bit of sugar the day before. I get ill quite a lot, where I feel sick or haven't got any energy at all. On rare occasions I just have to go to sleep, and recently on the weekends I won't get up until late. My teeth are really started to ache and become sensitive ... I'm pretty sick of it to be honest. My menstrual cycle is all over the place. But I could not afford to, at all, do any protocol (bearing in mind it's 6 months, and includes time off work) ...

It must be very difficult to know where to start, but it looks like something needs to be done. It's almost as if you are being poisoned and by more than one thing all at the same time!!! Did you happen to listen to the Health and Wellness from the 3rd of June? It was very interesting. I didn't know applied Kinesiology could be so potentially helpful.
https://www.sott.net/article/319609-The-Health-Wellness-Show-What-is-Applied-Kinesiology-and-what-can-it-do-for-you

 

[Carl]

It must be very difficult to know where to start, but it looks like something needs to be done. It's almost as if you are being poisoned and by more than one thing all at the same time!!! Did you happen to listen to the Health and Wellness from the 3rd of June? It was very interesting. I didn't know applied Kinesiology could be so potentially helpful.
https://www.sott.net/article/319609-The-Health-Wellness-Show-What-is-Applied-Kinesiology-and-what-can-it-do-for-you

Indeed, it was super interesting and it seems like the kinesiology is a very good way to learn what your body/unconscious is saying and also to navigate the vast array of supplements and foods which are either good/bad for specific individuals. Thanks for doing that show guys, especially Foxx - you were very eloquent and passionate about it and it has obviously helped you a lot.
We have a practitioner nearby who I should be seeing in the next 2 weeks.


Regarding the iodine supplement, it is the 5.5mg one yes. We also have a KI solution, but I have lost the paper I used to calculate it exactly, it is either 30mg-50mg per drop (will probably have to make another solution).

 

[lilyalic]

I used to take 6 drops of 12% but kept getting sore throat, swelled lymph nodes and ill so I dropped down to 2 a day.
I've done a nuke dose this weekend though, along with Olive leaf, VD3, ALA, etc etc. Maybe taking the iodine, doxy and all the rest will help?
Also, having nuke doses on the weekends could help too, and I'll take Benadryl to help.

Will the iodine and antibiotics of any kind react to one another?
I can afford little things like EDTA, or DMSA over time. I'm still just trying to crawl out of my overdraft

What did you use as a nuke dose? Looking online it looks like there's a 12% Lugol's solution sold in the UK that's 5.5mg of elemental iodine (as iodine and potassium iodide) per drop; is that the right amount for your Lugol's solution? I'd like to know the total amount of iodine per drop to have a better idea of how much you were taking.

The sore throat and lymph node response suggests that it was killing something (or multiple things). Some pathogens can take quite a while to kill, so it may be the case that you were having some success in killing them, but that it wasn't long enough to kill them entirely and that your body wasn't quite up to the task of detoxing all the waste generated by killing them. One thing that may help with the negative response from killing pathogens is activated charcoal, which is relatively inexpensive and pretty good at mopping up a variety of toxins, I think even including waste from dead pathogens. For nausea induced by toxic overload, it is very effective and I found it to be very helpful for me overall for quite a while (probably at least 1 tsp a day for at least 6 months). The dosage would probably be somewhere around 1 tsp 1-3 times per day, or as needed; the powder is cheaper, so I'd recommend that (it's also very useful to have in general). While eliminating pathogens, make sure that you're having bowel movements frequently enough to move the toxins out of the system, so ensure that you're taking enough magnesium, though not to the point of loose stools.

Also, I think I'd still recommend continuing to eat a reasonable/moderate amount of carbs rather than attempting the ketogenic diet at this time, since it sounds like there's a fungal overgrowth going on there (but likely also other pathogens) and I think the fungal overgrowth will actually be easier to treat while eating a moderate amount of carbs.

The nuke dose I'll take is usually 66mg elemental iodine (12 drops) throughout the day. Think I went a bit crazy this weekend just getting fed up and decided to declare war. The 6 I used to take, but due to advice here have started taking this many again, is 33mg elemental iodine.
Carl has the one he made, which he's unsure about.

You're right, it was probably killing something. I already have charcoal, so I'll definitely take that! We have a sauna here too.
Should I be taking the charcoal whilst taking the iodine, everyday?

I will start on DMSA etc when I've read enough about it.

Thank you for the advice, and thank you for the recent SOTT show. :)

 

[Foxx]

Thanks for the nice comments everyone and I'm glad you enjoyed the radio show!

The nuke dose I'll take is usually 66mg elemental iodine (12 drops) throughout the day. Think I went a bit crazy this weekend just getting fed up and decided to declare war. The 6 I used to take, but due to advice here have started taking this many again, is 33mg elemental iodine.
Carl has the one he made, which he's unsure about.

You're right, it was probably killing something. I already have charcoal, so I'll definitely take that! We have a sauna here too.
Should I be taking the charcoal whilst taking the iodine, everyday?

I will start on DMSA etc when I've read enough about it.

Thank you for the advice, and thank you for the recent SOTT show. :)

A nuke dose for pathogens, especially mold, could be much higher, potentially up to 200mg per day for an extended period of time (perhaps 1-3 months, depending on the type and severity of infection(s)). 33mg is likely not enough for saturation and killing pathogens.

Regarding the activated charcoal, yes, that should be taken while taking the iodine to mop up whatever the pathogens are releasing, as well as other toxins in general. It's probably best to take it away from iodine (though I personally suspect that, since it works through adsorption rather than absorption, which has to do with electrical charge, it doesn't actually have an affinity for things that are positive for the body), perhaps by an hour or two, and can also be taken any time that one is having herx effects or feeling generally overwhelmed with detoxification (especially nausea).

In addition, how much ALA are you taking? When I was killing mold, I was taking up to 1.8 GRAMS per day of regular ALA (I think R-ALA is probably about 3 times more potent, so that'd be more like 600mg per day), so the dosage range for that may be more in the 900mg to 1800mg range. I was on that dosage for somewhere around 6 months, then I think dropped down to 300mg for another 1-3 months.

Chlorella may also be a helpful addition during the process for binding to heavy metals and is cheaper than DMSA, so may be worth trying until you can afford the DMSA. I think there's a range in quality for Chlorella and I've been using this brand with good results:

http://www.amazon.com/Source-Naturals-Chlorella-Yaeyama-Tabs/dp/B00ELAJCSQ/

The dosage may range from ~600mg per day (what I was taking recently) to potentially as high as 9 GRAMS per day, depending on various factors.

If you have enough detoxification and elimination going while killing the pathogens, a lot of the negative symptoms from killing the pathogens should be reduced.

I hope that helps! :)

Indeed, it was super interesting and it seems like the kinesiology is a very good way to learn what your body/unconscious is saying and also to navigate the vast array of supplements and foods which are either good/bad for specific individuals. Thanks for doing that show guys, especially Foxx - you were very eloquent and passionate about it and it has obviously helped you a lot.
We have a practitioner nearby who I should be seeing in the next 2 weeks.

I'll be interested to hear your results with the practitioner, Carl!

 

[lilyalic]

Thanks for the nice comments everyone and I'm glad you enjoyed the radio show!

A nuke dose for pathogens, especially mold, could be much higher, potentially up to 200mg per day for an extended period of time (perhaps 1-3 months, depending on the type and severity of infection(s)). 33mg is likely not enough for saturation and killing pathogens.

Regarding the activated charcoal, yes, that should be taken while taking the iodine to mop up whatever the pathogens are releasing, as well as other toxins in general. It's probably best to take it away from iodine (though I personally suspect that, since it works through adsorption rather than absorption, which has to do with electrical charge, it doesn't actually have an affinity for things that are positive for the body), perhaps by an hour or two, and can also be taken any time that one is having herx effects or feeling generally overwhelmed with detoxification (especially nausea).

In addition, how much ALA are you taking? When I was killing mold, I was taking up to 1.8 GRAMS per day of regular ALA (I think R-ALA is probably about 3 times more potent, so that'd be more like 600mg per day), so the dosage range for that may be more in the 900mg to 1800mg range. I was on that dosage for somewhere around 6 months, then I think dropped down to 300mg for another 1-3 months.

Chlorella may also be a helpful addition during the process for binding to heavy metals and is cheaper than DMSA, so may be worth trying until you can afford the DMSA. I think there's a range in quality for Chlorella and I've been using this brand with good results:

http://www.amazon.com/Source-Naturals-Chlorella-Yaeyama-Tabs/dp/B00ELAJCSQ/

The dosage may range from ~600mg per day (what I was taking recently) to potentially as high as 9 GRAMS per day, depending on various factors.

If you have enough detoxification and elimination going while killing the pathogens, a lot of the negative symptoms from killing the pathogens should be reduced.

I hope that helps! :)

200mg :O That just seems like loads, 40 drops of that 12%
We're thinking of getting a Iodine crystal and making our own, or buying a higher percentage.

From your account, it seems I'm better taking a trial/ error approach with my body to see what it can take. My ALA capsules are 600mg.

Many thanks for all the advice you have given, I'll be trying it all! Here's to hard times

 

[lilyalic]

Yesterday was the first day I took a high dose, just under 200mg I believe.

After that, I was feeling dizzy and pretty strange. I took charcoal, chorella, had my food etc. Around 3-5 hours after taking this Iodine and the rest, I felt extremely sick. I tried to go bed early (8pm) and ended up in the bathroom violently throwing up for around 2 hours. I tried drinking water, but just kept throwing it back up. I threw up all the chorella, all my food from yesterday and basically my body kept going until everything was out of my stomach.

I was really crying, feeling like death and shaking with chills etc. I feel better this morning, but could not go in work because I'm dehydrated and low on energy... Is it possible that I have an overdose of Iodine? or is this a herxheimer?? --- either way, I think I'll make my way SLOWLY up to 200mg. Starting with around 100mg... Feeling like an idiot now! I didn't think it'd cause something like that

 

[Kenny McCormick]

Is it possible that I have an overdose of Iodine? or is this a herxheimer?? --- either way, I think I'll make my way SLOWLY up to 200mg. Starting with around 100mg... Feeling like an idiot now! I didn't think it'd cause something like that

What was the food you ate? And do you drink daily salted water to support liver and kidneys?
I don't think it is possible you overdosed Iodine, for a half year I use on average 200 mg daily, without any perceivable problems. On the beginning my kidneys hurt a bit for a few days, but salted water helped a lot. Lately I've taken over 1000 mg daily (3x350mg) for a week without any problems, and I mean it - I feel bad after typical beverages like juice with sugar (just one sip), fast food (just one bite), so I know my body well, I think.

 

[lilyalic]

Is it possible that I have an overdose of Iodine? or is this a herxheimer?? --- either way, I think I'll make my way SLOWLY up to 200mg. Starting with around 100mg... Feeling like an idiot now! I didn't think it'd cause something like that

What was the food you ate? And do you drink daily salted water to support liver and kidneys?
I don't think it is possible you overdosed Iodine, for a half year I use on average 200 mg daily, without any perceivable problems. On the beginning my kidneys hurt a bit for a few days, but salted water helped a lot. Lately I've taken over 1000 mg daily (3x350mg) for a week without any problems, and I mean it - I feel bad after typical beverages like juice with sugar (just one sip), fast food (just one bite), so I know my body well, I think.

1000mg that's pretty crazy.

I have salt water on average 3x daily, soon as I wake up, hour after Iodine, before bed too. All my water (Distilled or filtered) consists of salt, I'm just used to it now.
Food I ate is pretty much the same as everyday, Meat, Sweet potatoes and Greens.

 

[Eboard10]

Yesterday was the first day I took a high dose, just under 200mg I believe.

After that, I was feeling dizzy and pretty strange. I took charcoal, chorella, had my food etc. Around 3-5 hours after taking this Iodine and the rest, I felt extremely sick. I tried to go bed early (8pm) and ended up in the bathroom violently throwing up for around 2 hours. I tried drinking water, but just kept throwing it back up. I threw up all the chorella, all my food from yesterday and basically my body kept going until everything was out of my stomach.

I was really crying, feeling like death and shaking with chills etc. I feel better this morning, but could not go in work because I'm dehydrated and low on energy... Is it possible that I have an overdose of Iodine? or is this a herxheimer?? --- either way, I think I'll make my way SLOWLY up to 200mg. Starting with around 100mg... Feeling like an idiot now! I didn't think it'd cause something like that

Sorry to hear about that Lilyalic, hope you're doing better now.

I cannot talk from personal experience as I never had any Herx reaction apart from the odd headache, but how much were you taking before going up to 200mg? Doubling the dose from one day to the other would likely cause some reactions the first time. Also, did you take the Iodine before or after the meal?

I would recommend pausing for a few days, keep taking the charcoal and chlorella and then start again with lower doses. Your body might be telling you to take it slow, at least for a while.

 

[lilyalic]

Yesterday was the first day I took a high dose, just under 200mg I believe.

After that, I was feeling dizzy and pretty strange. I took charcoal, chorella, had my food etc. Around 3-5 hours after taking this Iodine and the rest, I felt extremely sick. I tried to go bed early (8pm) and ended up in the bathroom violently throwing up for around 2 hours. I tried drinking water, but just kept throwing it back up. I threw up all the chorella, all my food from yesterday and basically my body kept going until everything was out of my stomach.

I was really crying, feeling like death and shaking with chills etc. I feel better this morning, but could not go in work because I'm dehydrated and low on energy... Is it possible that I have an overdose of Iodine? or is this a herxheimer?? --- either way, I think I'll make my way SLOWLY up to 200mg. Starting with around 100mg... Feeling like an idiot now! I didn't think it'd cause something like that

Sorry to hear about that Lilyalic, hope you're doing better now.

I cannot talk from personal experience as I never had any Herx reaction apart from the odd headache, but how much were you taking before going up to 200mg? Doubling the dose from one day to the other would likely cause some reactions the first time. Also, did you take the Iodine before or after the meal?

I would recommend pausing for a few days, keep taking the charcoal and chlorella and then start again with lower doses. Your body might be telling you to take it slow, at least for a while.

Thank you Eboard10,

The highest I've ever took is around 70-80mg so this was definitely far too much.
I took Iodine after I'd eaten, but ate again afterwards.

I took some Colostrum this morning and I'm eating little bits. I smacked my head pretty hard on the banister before and now have a huge lump on my head, so I think something is telling me to slow down lol...

 

[Konstantin]

Yesterday was the first day I took a high dose, just under 200mg I believe.

After that, I was feeling dizzy and pretty strange. I took charcoal, chorella, had my food etc. Around 3-5 hours after taking this Iodine and the rest, I felt extremely sick. I tried to go bed early (8pm) and ended up in the bathroom violently throwing up for around 2 hours. I tried drinking water, but just kept throwing it back up. I threw up all the chorella, all my food from yesterday and basically my body kept going until everything was out of my stomach.

I was really crying, feeling like death and shaking with chills etc. I feel better this morning, but could not go in work because I'm dehydrated and low on energy... Is it possible that I have an overdose of Iodine? or is this a herxheimer?? --- either way, I think I'll make my way SLOWLY up to 200mg. Starting with around 100mg... Feeling like an idiot now! I didn't think it'd cause something like that

Well 200mg is a very high dose. I dont know if that was from iodine or not but its a very high dose. Maybe you should stop with iodine for a few days or maybe a week and continue with all other cofactors and suplements, and then , when you will feel better maybe you can start again but this time with a small dosage and biuild it up very slowly so that your body can get used to it.
Also check out you diet as other have mentioned. Take care

 

[Lilou]

I'm sorry to hear what you passed thru lilyalic. Vitamin C is an antidote for iodine, so you may want to start drinking a few grams of C to counteract the high dose and stop iodine for awhile.

 

[Gaby]

I would not take a high dose of iodine until I know that toxicity is no longer such a big issue. If anything, build your dose progressively to see if your body can handle everything that is mobilized. Also, potassium iodide is safer to use for higher doses.

I would also concentrate on heavy metal chelation for the time being.

Hope you recover soon!

 

[Foxx]

Wow, I'm sorry to hear that you had such a bad reaction Lilyalic! That sounds pretty awful. :(

I would second Gaby's recommendation and would be thinking about poor liver function and a pretty serious heavy metal toxicity issue from that reaction, and so would focus on liver support (potentially milk thistle) and gentle heavy metal detox (probably chlorella). Both poor liver function and heavy metal toxicity can also result in skin issues.

Neem capsules are another option for treating pathogens since neem is a pretty broad spectrum anti-microbial (fungus, bacteria, parasites, and viruses to a degree), which won't mobilize heavy metals. There's an article on SOTT about neem here:

https://www.sott.net/article/302210-Neem-The-miraculous-blood-purifying-herb

However, it may be better to wait before attempting any kind of pathogen killing if your body isn't up to the task yet.

Since Carl is going to see an applied kinesiology practitioner, it may be best to wait for his review of the practitioner and then setup an appointment if his experience is positive; I think difficult and/or complicated health cases probably need more active help from a practitioner.

At this point, since these issues have been ongoing for a while, I think the best course of action would be to see a practitioner and get a diagnosis and some recommendations. I'd also recommend being curious and asking a lot of questions during the process.

Speedy recovery and I hope you can get to the bottom of what's going on!