Can we talk about Andrew Tate

It mentions Trump, who thought that Tate's lengthy detention was insanity,

It's actually talking about Donald Trump Jr:

Donald Trump Jr. has also supported Tate, calling his lengthy Romanian detention “absolute insanity.”

One of themes is that organisations that set up to fight trafficking either are or become fronts for trafficking. That could be why Ballard, if he is the real deal, has formed a new organisation and distanced himself from OUR and The Nazarene Fund with the claim to direct funding to those organisations that are best suited to carry out the work. Be interesting to see if SPEAR does send funds to OUR or Nazarene now.

I was shocked at the mention of Trump and am glad that the article wasn't referring to him because I believed that he was taking action against trafficking. I guess that doesn't mean that his familiar attachments and associates weren't taking advantage of his efforts. In any case, a spotlight on Trump Jr would probably be wise now.
 

This one shared by Laura lays out the chronology pretty well, I'll just post the contents here:

THE BACKSTORY

Timeline
  • Early 2010s: Andrew Tate started his webcamming business in the U.K. in the early 2010s. He was broke at the time and saw an opportunity to make money by setting up a webcam studio (he made his first big money and become a multi millionaire with his webcamming business).
  • 2015: Andrew Tate was arrested three times in the U.K. on suspicion of sexually assaulting one woman and raping two others—but the case was dropped altogether in 2019. In 2023, the three women who had accused Tate of rape and sexual assault announced they were filing another lawsuit against him.
  • 2017: Andrew Tate moved to Romania in 2017. He has said that he moved to Romania because he thought it was lawless, but he has also been accused of moving to Romania to avoid potential criminal charges in the UK.
  • On April 21, 2020, Andrew Tate tweeted that he made $551,000 from eight girls that were doing webcamming and OnlyFans. “I’ll give them a couple thousand each and keep the 500.”
  • On April 11, 2022, Romanian police raided the home of Tate brothers following notification from the U.S. Embassy. The embassy informed Romanian authorities that a 21-year-old U.S. woman claimed she was being held captive by the Tate brothers. After entering Tate’s residence that month, authorities said they discovered another woman from Romania who said she was also being held captive. Andrew Tate was questioned by police for 5 hours and released, but the investigation continued. Authorities said their investigation then expanded to include suspicion of human trafficking and rape.
  • On December 29, 2022, Andrew Tate was arrested along with his brother, Tristan, and two other individuals on sex-trafficking allegations. They were all detained for 30 days while the investigation continued.
  • On June 20, 2023, Romanian prosecutors indicted Andrew Tate on charges of human trafficking, rape, and forming an organized crime group.
The Andrew Tate Playbook
  1. Recruitment: Andrew Tate’s strategy began with a calculated search for vulnerable young women on social media platforms. His preferred targets were those who were financially disadvantaged, lacked a stable family structure, and were particularly missing father figures in their lives. This demographic was chosen due to their susceptibility to manipulation and promises of a better life.
  2. False Promises: Tate would then lure these women with the promise of a romantic relationship or marriage. Notably, there was no mention of sex work at this stage, creating a false sense of security and trust. It’s important to note that none of these women had been involved in sex work in the past, further emphasizing the deceit and manipulation involved in this process.
  3. Transportation: The unsuspecting victims then traveled to Romania under the premise of meeting Andrew Tate for the promised relationship or marriage. At this point, the victims were completely unaware of the impending exploitation and the nature of the work they would be forced into.
  4. Isolation and Control: Upon arrival, the victims were housed to a heavily surveilled house, equipped with 24-7 cameras and security personnel. The victims were not allowed to leave the premises unaccompanied. There are also allegations that Tate confiscated the victims’ passports, but this claim has not been confirmed by the Romanian police.
  5. Pressure and Manipulation: Once the victims were isolated and trapped, Andrew Tate would employ various tactics to coerce them into participating in sex work. These tactics ranged from psychological manipulation to threats and the creation of false debts. The relentless pressure would continue until the victims succumbed and agreed to engage in OnlyFans or webcamming.

MUST WATCH VIDEO


Self-Snitching: This video features old clips of Andrew Tate, which contradict the statements he made during his interview with Tucker Carlson. The video went viral, amassing 2 million views in just a few hours, and was shared by several prominent conservatives:

  • Liz Wheeler, the former OAAN host, tweeted: “MUST WATCH video exposes Andrew Tate’s lies to @TuckerCarlson . Warning: this is really horrendous stuff.”
  • Allie Beth Stuckey, the BlazeTV host, tweeted: “Andrew Tate is evidence that the right can be as easily deceived by empty platitudes and virtue signaling as the left. All the true things Tate says about social issues, responsibility, etc, are just virtue signals to cover for his degeneracy. In his own words, he’s a pimp who sexually and emotionally manipulates women (in one video he says “15… I mean 16. Or… what’s the age of consent in the US? 18?”) into exploiting their bodies for money.”
  • Lila Rose, President and Founder of LiveAction, tweeted: “Andrew Tate is not your friend. Tate’s recent moralizing on Twitter is because he is getting disciplined by Romanian authorities for doing evil things and he’s trying to gaslight his followers into thinking he is the victim of secret globalist powers.”

Did Andrew Tate lie to Tucker Carlson? pic.twitter.com/xOfS4pYEXK
— MilkBarTV (@TheMilkBarTV) July 16, 2023

THE CHARGES

Andrew Tate:
  • 1x Forming an organized criminal group
  • 1x Human trafficking in continuous form (4 material acts/victims)
  • Rape in a continuous form comprising of physical violence and mental pressure to have sexual relations (2 material acts) over a period of more than 7 days.
Tristan Tate:
  • 1x Forming an organized criminal group
  • 1x Human trafficking in continuous form (3 material acts/victims)
  • 1x Instigation to assault of another*
Georgiana Naghel:
  • 1x Forming an organized criminal group
  • 1x Human trafficking in continuous form (6 material acts/victims) 1x Assault or other violence*
  • 1x llegal access to a computer system**
  • 1x llegal modification of computer data**
  • *In October 2021 2 defendants instigated or made acts of violence when a victim refused to continue making pornographic materials.
  • **In October 2021 the defendant illegally accessed the computer system belonging to one of the injured persons and posted on the social media account belonging to her the materials which depicted her in compromising poses
Luana Radu:
  • 1x Forming an organized criminal group
  • 1x Human trafficking in continuous form (5 material acts/victims)

ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS

A second investigation is now underway against Andrew Tate, Tristan Tate, Georgiana Naghel and Luana Radu for:
  • trafficking in minors and human trafficking
  • money laundering
  • favoring the perpetrator
  • influencing statements
UK Civil Claim: 4 victims alleging violent rapes, serious physical assault, and controlling and coercive behaviour between 2013-16. More victims are in contact with UK lawyer Matt Jury. 3 of the 4 official victims reported their assaults to the police between 2013-2016. UK Police are in contact with Matt Jury with a view to reopening the criminal file.

THE OFFICIAL INDICTMENT DOCUMENT

Here is the official indictment of Andrew Tate, Tristan Tate, Georgiana Naghel, and Luana Radu. All their crimes and the charges are listed and explained. This is not evidence, it’s a list of the final charges/crimes along with a summary for each victim. The prosecutor does have evidence for what he wrote here.


1. On the defendant Andrew Tate, it has been established that:


1.1. The actions of the defendant Andrew Tate, consisting of the following: at the beginning of 2021, on the territory of Romania, together with the defendant Tristan Tate and the defendants Luana Radu and Georgiana Naghel, they formed an organized criminal group with the purpose of committing, on the territory of Romania and other states such as the USA and UK, primarily the crime of human trafficking, through actions of recruiting victims carried out by the defendants Andrew Tate and Tristan Tate, and subsequently, under their coordination, through actions of sheltering and transporting the victims, carried out by involving the defendants Luana Radu and Georgiana Naghel, with the aim of obtaining significant sums of money by forcing the victims to engage in pornographic activities for the production and distribution of pornographic materials, using the website www.onlyfans.com for this purpose, and by subjecting them to forced labor, using the website www.tiktok.com, thus fulfilling the constitutive elements of the crime of forming an organized criminal group, as provided by Article 367, paragraphs 1, 3, and 6 of the Criminal Code.


1.2.
The actions of the defendant Andrew Tate, consisting of the following:


1.2.1. In the period ……. 2016 – ……. 2017, the defendant Andrew Tate, using the …. application, while in Romania, recruited by deception the victim … by falsely inducing her about the intention to establish a family/marriage relationship and the existence of false feelings. In the period ……. 2017, the defendant transported her from the UK, ……., to Romania, as well as within the area of ……., where he provided shelter for her in a building located in …, as well as in the territory of the United Kingdom, ……., in the period ……. 2018 – ……. 2018. During this time, together with a person named …, they subjected the victim to physical violence and psychological coercion resulting from actions of intimidation, surveillance, and control, with the aim of sexually exploiting her. They forced her to engage in pornographic activities for the production and distribution of pornographic materials, using the website (*Webcamming Site*). The victim activated this through the account with the username “…” during the period ……. 2018 – ……. 2018;


1.2.2. In the period from the end of ……. 2022 to ……. 2022, the defendant Andrew Tate, through the Instagram application and following meetings in ……. (…..2022), UK, recruited by deception the victim … by falsely inducing her about the intention to establish a marriage/cohabitation relationship and the existence of false feelings. In the period from ……. 2022 to ……. 2022, together with the defendants Luana Radu and Georgiana Naghel, by exercising physical violence and psychological coercion resulting from actions of intimidation, surveillance, control, and invoking false debts, they provided shelter for the victim in a building located in …, as well as in a building located in ……. They also transported her from the UK, ……. to Romania and within the area of ….., together with the defendant Georgiana Naghel, with the aim of sexually exploiting her by forcing her to engage in pornographic activities for the production and distribution of pornographic materials, using the website www.onlyfans.com and subjecting her to forced labor, using the website www.tiktok.com (…. 2022), to attract over 1000 followers;


1.2.3. In the month ……. 2021, the defendant Andrew Tate, recruited by deception the victim … by falsely inducing her about the intention to establish a marriage/cohabitation relationship and the existence of false feelings. In the period from ……. 2021 to ……. 2022, together with the defendants Luana Radu and Georgiana Naghel, by exercising psychological coercion resulting from actions of intimidation, surveillance, control, and invoking false debts, they provided shelter for the victim in a building located in …, as well as in a building located in ……. They also transported her within the area of ……, with the aim of sexually exploiting her by forcing her to engage in pornographic activities for the production and distribution of pornographic materials, using the website www.onlyfans.com and subjecting her to forced labor, using the website www.tiktok.com for the purpose of attracting over 1000 followers;


1.2.4. In the month ……. 2021, the defendant Andrew Tate, recruited by deception the victim … by falsely inducing her about the intention to establish a marriage/cohabitation relationship and the existence of false feelings. In the period from ……. 2021 to ……. 2022, together with the defendants Luana Radu and Georgiana Naghel, by exercising psychological coercion resulting from actions of intimidation, surveillance, control, and invoking false debts, they provided shelter for the victim in a building located in …, as well as in a building located in ……. They also transported her within the area of ……, with the aim of sexually exploiting her by forcing her to engage in pornographic activities for the production and distribution of pornographic materials, using the website www.onlyfans.com and subjecting her to forced labor, using the website www.tiktok.com (….. 2022), to attract over 1000 followers,


These actions fulfil the constitutive elements of the crime of human trafficking in a continuous form, as provided by Article 210, paragraph 1, letter a of the Criminal Code, in relation to Article 182, letters a and c of the Criminal Code, with the application of Article 35, paragraph 1 of the Criminal Code (four material acts concerning the victims …, during the period from the end of … 2016 to ……. 2018, …, during the period from ……. 2022 to ……. 2022, and the victims …, during the period from … 2021 to … 2022, and …, during the period from ……. 2021 to ……. 2022);


1.3. The actions of the defendant Andrew Tate, consisting of the following:


1.3.1. On the date ……. 2022, at ……., the defendant Andrew Tate coerced the victim … by exerting psychological and verbal pressure, intensified by the entire factual context, to engage in normal and oral sexual relations


1.3.2
On the date …, in a building located in …, the defendant Andrew Tate coerced the victim … by exerting physical violence and psychological and verbal pressure, intensified by the entire factual context, to engage in normal and oral sexual relations


These actions fulfil the constitutive elements of the crime of rape in a continuous form – two material acts (victim … – material acts on ……. 2022 and ……. 2022), as provided by Article 218, paragraph 1 of the Criminal Code, with the application of Article 35, paragraph 1 of the Criminal Code.

All of the above are subject to the application of Article 38, paragraph 1 of the Criminal Code regarding the real concurrence of offenses.

You can continue reading about charges against Tristan Tate, Georgiana Naghel, and Luana Radu here.

GO DEEPER

If you want to see more evidence, watch the video links below and read Part 1, Part 2, Part 3:
 
Or all of them, they all represent different aspects of healthy masculinity to use as a model, Samwise is loyal and faithful, Aragorn is someone who leads and inspires by strength, he even lets down Eowyn when it becomes clear to him that he could not give her what she sought, in a crushing scene.. but a necessary one, that wasn't intended to hurt. Faramir, he sacrifices the ultimate power because of what he understood it meant for everyone. Tate's message was essentially, "go get the ring! or at least pretend like you have it"

Heck, even Dragon Ball has good role models, the group of sayians who learned to control their beastly natures to live above them and protect those whom they love. But the thing is, sex sells.. none of the paths mentioned above offer glamour and self aggrandizement, on the other hand, they represent a path of sacrifice and discipline, which can be seen as "boring".
As Aragorn said in Return of the King, deeds are no less valiant just because they are unpraised. Often times, doing what's right, doing what's 'manly' and what empowers you isn't something that necessarily brings in a lot of money, fame, or women. It could, but don't bank on it. it's those quiet moments where a choice opens up in front of you and you do what's right, what's responsible and what's of benefit to the people around you. Doing this consistently and over time is what develops you into a real man, imo. A great example of this is Xander from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. If you've ever seen the episode 'The Zeppo' - I highly recommend it - he really embodies this principle in action.
 
This video from the link Laura posted says it all. I mean, all the hallmarks are there. He see's and treats women as commodities and objects to be used and abused, he exploits them, is violent if they don't do what he says and an top of that, rather than being ashamed or conflicted about it, he can't help but brag about it to anyone willing to listen. He's the true definition of what toxic masculinity is. He's a snake in a flashy suit and shades.

Completely agree. I watched this video and it’s stomach turning. 😳 He appears to be a pathological liar who contradicts himself, stuffed full of his own ego. A typical predator who preys on the vulnerable. This coupled with the article Laura posted, lays it all out pretty clearly. Sad state of affairs that young men would feel the need to turn to guys like him, a real indictment of Western culture.
 
Completely agree. I watched this video and it’s stomach turning. 😳 He appears to be a pathological liar who contradicts himself, stuffed full of his own ego. A typical predator who preys on the vulnerable. This coupled with the article Laura posted, lays it all out pretty clearly. Sad state of affairs that young men would feel the need to turn to guys like him, a real indictment of Western culture.
Stomach turning indeed... I've never understood the appeal of this creep to the 'conservative camp'. While we can all agree that promoting a woke and deconstructed ideology to men, especially younger men, is a dangerous thing, designed to produce a generation of pseudo-men/eunuchs incapable of asserting themselves and showing even a hint of defiance to those who seek to subjugate them, I find it hard to understand how promoting a deviant lifestyle of manipulating and subjugating young women for sexual and financial favours is a desirable alternative.
 
This video from the link Laura posted says it all. I mean, all the hallmarks are there. He see's and treats women as commodities and objects to be used and abused, he exploits them, is violent if they don't do what he says and an top of that, rather than being ashamed or conflicted about it, he can't help but brag about it to anyone willing to listen. He's the true definition of what toxic masculinity is. He's a snake in a flashy suit and shades.

You know, until now I had never heard him speak and he's got this tone that reminds me of a few people I've met, it's just obnoxious. Those clips from Tucker almost feel completely rehearsed. Though I wouldn't call him masculine at all, cowardly... high chair tyrant is closer to his behavior than anything.
 
As Aragorn said in Return of the King, deeds are no less valiant just because they are unpraised. Often times, doing what's right, doing what's 'manly' and what empowers you isn't something that necessarily brings in a lot of money, fame, or women. It could, but don't bank on it. it's those quiet moments where a choice opens up in front of you and you do what's right, what's responsible and what's of benefit to the people around you. Doing this consistently and over time is what develops you into a real man, imo. A great example of this is Xander from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. If you've ever seen the episode 'The Zeppo' - I highly recommend it - he really embodies this principle in action.
There's actually a pretty good movie if anyone's interested, and it's precisely about this topic. It's called 3:10 to Yuma, there's a very interesting dynamic between a father, a son and an outlaw and this very concept plays out, masculinity, doing the right thing and the appeal that not doing so has on an impressionable mind.

Highly recommended.
 
I kind of have to agree with more recent commentaries which assert that even if Tate is 100% innocent of charges, plenty of his behavior and public statements are deplorable and should not be celebrated, especially when he talks about tricking women into servitude by getting them to believe he loves them and outright calling himself a pimp, as well as explaining he keeps most of the money his "girls" made from his cam business.

While he makes a handful of points about the world and masculinity I can agree with, this doesn't make him immune from criticisms about his lack of basic decency towards women.
 
I remember reading a story about Gurdjieff where he was dining outside with some members of his group and a woman who was probably interested in his appearance came up to the table and asked him what nationality he is and he simply answered "universal".

Basically the "man of the world," the man of peak experience is what Tate preaches about as the ultimate way to be to his following (he's even a pis* poor representative of that).

But the man of the world is nothing and I mean nothing compared to the man or woman of the universe, the 'Universal Man' or as Don Juan might say the "man of knowledge".
 
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