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Can we talk about Andrew Tate
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The Mechanic
Jedi Council Member
Youtuber WillyMacShow posted another very informative update about Andrew Tate:
Haven't posted in a while. But I stumbled upon this video that, although is just Andrew Tate "adjacent", I think shows some good insight on the environment that men are currently dealing with. I think it paints a good picture of why Andrew Tate seems so attractive to men who are facing "mens issues" (loneliness, lack of connection, unable to express feelings).
The Mechanic
Jedi Council Member
Jordan Peterson spoke with his daughter recently and he had some things to say about Tate. They start their discussion on Tate at around 1 hour 46 mins with Mikhaila's description of how she met Tate in Romania.
Some key points:
Some key points:
- He said that if the culture kept emasculating men, men that said "to hell with that I'd rather be a monster" would become popular and Tate is emblematic of that
- Some of the things Tate says may be of value because he's intelligent but what disturbs JP is the online porn thing. He doesn't think it's OK for people to monetize their sexual attractiveness online, it leads to a dark place for them and society
- It's unacceptable to enter into relationships with women, tilt them to set up online following and then take a percentage of profits, it's certainly not the highest form of behavior
- Pimps are among some of the most contemptable people- parasitic, pathetic predators
- Tate serves his immediate self in an impulsive gratifying manner
What struck me is that she wasn't making the comparison in a negative light. The way she described it, seems like she saw that as a quality or attractive feature of his. Seems like JBP has a much better grasp of Tate's pathological nature than his daughter, who I got the sense over time finds successful, charismatic alpha males to be very attractive to her. She just doesn't have a good understanding of pathology and how it manifests in behavior.
msasa79
Jedi Master
Thanks for the podcast/interview link, in whole it gives a nice overview of personal history and what in general JP is about, especially for people who more or less know about him through other sources.
Apart from a seemingly dichotomy with his stances about "voluntary self-sacrifice" vs. "selling yourself out as high as you can", it suprised me to hear that he thinks psychopaths are unintelligent and unsuccessful people, i.e. like he's completely ignorant and blind about the real psychos who run the show/system in our reality nowadays here on Earth. Which then makes his recent (re-)connection to Israel and also even Church, as he said he spent several weeks in the monastery near Vienna if got him right, rather more understandable. Unfortunatelly, there's a program for everybody and without a right network, especially when health has been compromised, there's little to no chance of coming completely on the bright/light or truth side of the things.
She seems rather 'materialistically oriented', i.e. money/profit seems to be her main motivating power/force. Having such a mindset, it didn't come as a suprise that she would see Tate brothers with all the luxuries she was presented and surrounded by while being their guest in Romania, rather attractive male figures.
From personal experience, it appears that money as the main goal/aim has been very dominant life strategy throughout young adults part of the worldwide population at least since Western 'values' and 'globalization' have started spreading around the globe. In so much so, that as younger a generation is, it appears to be more inured in it.
Does he say that in this interview and do you have a time stamp for that segment? Curious to know the context.
msasa79
Jedi Master
Yes, it's in this X interview with his daughter, he even said it at least twice, in first and last segment of the video, that I remember. Don't know the exact time-stamps by heart, but will take another look and report back when locate them.
When he said it first time, it produced a slight disbelief, because he spiced it by concluding that psychopaths end up in prison, which was in stark opposition to what I know/see in the world/reality around me (even had an episode today at job with one of them there).
msasa79
Jedi Master
Well, JP didn't say exactly that psychopaths are unintelligent, that was my understanding/impression last night of the underlying 'message' from what he did actually say about them.
First time he mentioned psychopaths in the context of the voluntary self-sacrifice and community; i.e. living and functioning of a stable healthy communities.
"Psychopaths do that all the time. They sacrifice other people to their own whims at the drop of the hat. So what happens to psychopaths? They end up in prison, they fail to learn from the experience, they have to wander from town to town, like they end up in hell. It doesn't work, because people catch on, you know, usually. And then, then it's hell to pay. Like literally, literally. So, there isn't an alternative."
(Wider segment at 36:12-37:43, cited passage 37:02-37:28.)
Second time discussing Tate, in context of exploitation (of women in particular).
"You don't become successful by exploiting yourself. And you might think 'I can exploit myself', it's like you can't treat yourself like psychopath would treat you and get away with it even if the psychopath who's doing that is yourself. That doesn't work. That's why psychopath aren't very successful, because they exploit themselves just like other people."
(Wider segment at 1:51:29-1:53:30, cited passage 1:52:02-1:52:23.)
Then also in the continuation of that discussion when he went on about how "In actual life people are complex. No villain is simple. No villain is simple. And in great literature the great villain is a sympathetic figure. You are kind of on board with 75% of it. [...] Even when you meet someone who's dark and psychopathic to the core, you'll find... and I've had clients who were like..." (1:55:26-1:56:59).
At that point he recounted a story about one of his clients who appeared, by the sound of it, more like a highly dysfunctional paranoid disordered guy coupled with strong OCD revenge/payback tendencies (very distrustful, hyper-vigilant about it, got insulted very easily and then dedicated himself to get back to the people who he perceived insulted him). In that vignette, he mentioned "bureaucratic personality disorder" describing 'small' people in some kind of position of power that decide to make other people lives miserable just because they can ("it's their job"), who sounded more psychopathic than the actual disordered guy who, being 'molested' by this type of bureaucratic person, would decide to make the life of the bureaucrat the "living nightmare" (e.g. stalking) and actually commit himself to that. MP said "become bureaucratic nightmare", to which JP commented "Yeah, and that's the weirdly admirable part. [...] He was an honor coded guy." Then JP went back to Tate, and compared him to a villain with warped moral compass that might have some admirable virtues.
In short, JP gave me the impression that he's rather kind of clueless about the true nature of actual power structure/hierarchy in our reality, i.e. real psychopaths that constitute the PTB (like the great majority of the politicians) and their cohorts of authoritarian followers.
The X video again.
Yes good point, I may be wrong but I suspect that she sensed something predatory or dangerous about him, hence the comparison, but her reading instrument is skewed so she perceived it positively. She could've used any number of adjectives to describe him but she chose a fish renowned for it's deadliness, aggressiveness and it's ability to induce fear in humans. Creepy.
LOL! That guy was funny... And while we're at it, the other day I listened to this song and thought of the Tates, though I think the person in the song is more refined that them, which is probably not hard.
Tristan Tate apparently donated a bunch of food to Gaza, is 'truth-bombing' about Navalny, etc. I don't pay much attention to these guys but IIRC Andrew Tate also came out against Israeli genocide, questioning the Oct 7 narrative, etc.
Meanwhile, both Tate brothers look to be in favour of abusing mothers in order to force obedience.
Meanwhile, both Tate brothers look to be in favour of abusing mothers in order to force obedience.
Menna
The Living Force
Once you make your money it’s a lot easier to control your imagine AFTER…Eventually the new people that come across you do t dig 3+ levels deep and only see recent or what’s happened over a few years…
If I hear of somone doing something in teenage years or young adult hood and it’s something I couldn’t see myself doing I tend to not get too close after that knowledge.
If I hear of somone doing something in teenage years or young adult hood and it’s something I couldn’t see myself doing I tend to not get too close after that knowledge.
