I think we can merge this thread with the Jung discussion thread where it rightly belongs.
Threads merged.SolarSoul here is a thread that might help with some of your confusion: Carl Jung's Secret Life: "The Aryan Christ" - something rotten in Jungian psychology?
Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning is a book by Jonah Goldberg, in which Goldberg argues that fascist movements were and are left-wing. Published in January 2008, it reached #1 on the New York Times Best Seller list of hardcover non-fiction in its seventh week on the list. Goldberg is a syndicated columnist and the editor-at-large of National Review Online.
Nazis were National Socialist and Nazism and fascism had strong socialist tendencies as Nazis mentioned in their party name, but it is less about names but about acts, some communist countries had word democratic in their name, it is more that they are totalitarian in their worldview but as so through history there were many regimes and rulers that were so, and it was called tyranny, so it is same thing different names.
"I do not think it possible to suppress, or conscientiously to conceal, a suspicion that the true explanation of these facts may be that psychology in it's capacity as a pseudo-science of thought, teaching by precept that what is called thought is only feeling, and by example that which is called science is nothing more, is no mere addition to the long list of pseudo-sciences; it is an attempt to discredit the very idea of science. It is the propaganda of irrationalism." CollingwoodPerhaps later
Yep, looking back, those two "primary factors" have invariably and disappointingly been the missing pieces in the information provided over the years by so many seemingly-enlightened people. Learning about these two factors from your writings has been like getting the "keys" to the kingdom of knowledge-- keys that pull all the other insights together into a cohesive, coherent understanding of "what's going on".Exactly. And the problem with all of them is that they are not considering the reality of hyperdimensions and denizens of same, densities, etc. Also, many myths began pretty much as Mike Baillie and Victor Clube describe them: as a result of cometary disasters. Anybody, be they historian, archaeologist, paleontologist, mythologist, psychologist, religious scholar, or whatnot, who does NOT take these two PRIMARY FACTORS into account, are rendered helpless at worst to fully understand and explain their material. Their explanations may approach something like a shadow of the reality - through a glass darkly - but they will never really get close enough to it to call it more than an approximation of truth.
Thorbiorn just made me aware of a typo. It was at the turn of the 19th century ie. around year 1900.Nudism, vegetarianism, paganism, contact with the ancestors, hiking in nature, sun worshipping, are some of the movements that stemmed from that period and thriving in Germany towards the turn of the 20th century.
Not to derail from the discussion but the exact definition of "turn of the century" is not well established: _Turn of the century - Wikipedia I understood your initial turn of the 20th century as meaning from the 1890s to the 1910s.Thorbiorn just made me aware of a typo. It was at the turn of the 19th century ie. around year 1900.
I think your summary nails it. For me it was kind of creepy to get an inside scoop to that Volkish ideological possession and I had the same feeling while reading "The Psychopathic God" (I'm not entirely finished yet with this book). I think it will be quite awhile before I can listen to Wagner again.Jung (1875 – 1961)just like Hitler (1889 – 1945) were to a great deal a product of the time they lived in and the various movements and intellectual thoughts of the time (admittedly we all are). They both believed themselves to be the Aryan Christ. They both were moved greatly as young men by the opera ‘Parsifal’ by Richard Wagner and longed for the return to old Aryan gods of Wotan and the völkisch pagan spirit. (pp 143-146) There was at the time a religious crisis and it was considered normal in order to become 'modern', to question and even reject Christianity (p.125) and there was a search for ancient roots. Philosophical ideas, the theosophical society, books on occult mysteries, art and a host of various nationalists movements at the time inspired many people and it is in this context that both Hitler and Jung appear. As Noll writes: “The multifaceted Volkish movement (Volkstumbewegung) had a broad plan for Germanic society: Anti-Semitism was equally topical at the time (p.108, 114)