Civil War in Ukraine: Western Empire vs Russia

[Lumiere_du_Code]

Here are some videos about fights on streets yesterday in Ukraine.

http://iniciativadebate.org/2014/05/03/ucrania-preludio-de-una-guerra-civil/

Yesterday I watched the stream from Odessa, filmed by militants - operators took up positions in advance on which all events have occurred. I looked horrified and awareness of what it is all - prepared performance. in March, I had the idea that people's militia "drained", someone betrays them, and that they are masked by provocateurs and on their behalf commit sabotage - it is 100%

here are some online broadcast streams:
Odessa: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/o1odessa?rmalang=ru_RU
Lugansk: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/infoborona-online
Donetsk: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/artem77

 

[Altair]

Guys, I didn't read this subject since that moment when in it there were about 15 just pages. I simply don't manage to watch all events even in the native language, spending hours every day for the translation of materials here, I am sorry. I would like to share thousands of words that really occurs in Ukraine, but I can't translate all this into English now.

meanwhile I suggest to watch for situations on RT portal: http://rt.com/
and in the blog of the correspondent which stays in the Donetsk National Republic: https://twitter.com/GrahamWP_UK
there is in English. this objective information.
There is also a Russian analytical website AfterShock, where we collect reliable information and analyze it in detail.

I can only say that the junta (Kiev illegitimate power) ALWAYS, TOTALLY LIES, all that media says mode bloody vampires made ​​a coup d'etat - it can not be trusted, they evert facts inside out, call black as white and white - black. Russia is constant negotiation and tries to reach out to the world, but it is useless, the world's political prostitutes and villains and not hit a finger, not all the words of the West worth the paper on which are written. I know that you understand that, but still. and there can not be any Russian spies in Ukraine, there are only civilians, residents of the cities that are protected from the Nazis and its army. 2/3 of the population of Ukraine called us (the inhabitants of the south-east) cattle, traitors, separatists and terrorists.
politicians, artists, presenters and ordinary Ukrainians - ALL full of hatred and malice urge to kill us, destroy, they literally rejoice that occurred in the evening on May 2 in Odessa, they gloat and say that it will be with anyone who is not on the their side. we kill and maim people just only for the fact that he has any thoughts and views. not even political. in my region is a lair of radical fascist beast, which contains the Jewish oligarch Kolomoysky. and Dnipropetrovsk and region everyday walks of dozens of uniformed troops of radicals that lynchings arrange on-site to all who do not like them, who do not respond to the Nazi slogan "Glory to Ukraine!". Internet video has all these. yet there. here is one of them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikh4Cqbqx7E
but here the right sector threatens all police officers who are "inactive" and do not support the junta methods to combat dissent that each hanged. execution on video is a fake, judging by the behavior hanged, but they expressed their position. and what happens in Odessa and Donetsk region, speaks for itself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C08fJGsHKbo
Ukraine is in a civil war where superior cruel monsters victimized by all means do not agree with the above came to power traitors. I can not even get out of here now, as trains and planes are controlled by these death squads of the Nazi "patriots" and the customs officers themselves - really Gestapo.

Ukraine is no more. it is now called the RUIN. 23 years of Ukrainian "independence" the West grew here Nazi thugs who are now spread across the country and put on terror. namely Carpathians residents who have never been part of Ukraine, and do not dare to call it their own, they occupied it, they are the ones who are a stranger here, who expels us from our own land. and peaceful life here now will not, because every passer-by, every neighbor and friend, whom you have known for years - it turns out it may be and really be a fascist or them supporter, buyout before the end of his days would hate us and try to harm.
Americans moved Chechnya into Ukraine.

Hi Lumiere_du_Code,

I just want to express my moral support to you. I can imagine what you feel since I was living for 25 years in Ukraine (Crimea). My relatives are still there (Charkiv, Crimea) and it is a great suffering to me to see what is happening in this country. I can only recommend to you not to be guided by (negative) emotions and not to be succumbed to this mass psychosis. Are you familiar with Laura's stress reducing program Éiriú Eolas? If you have some articles in Russian about these events I'm ready to translate them in English.

 

[Lumiere_du_Code]

I simply don't manage to watch all events even in the native language, spending hours every day for the translation of materials here, I am sorry.

Lumiere_du_Code,

If you need any help with translating materials from Russian into English or vice versa, maybe I could help you? They might be confidential though. If not, I would be happy to help. I pray for you guys every day, my heart and my mind is always with you.

Remember our film "Brother"?

- What is strength?
- The truth. He who tells the truth is strong.

You tell the truth and you are strong. And we are all with you, always, remember it.

yeah, I remember this quote and this is my position. Thank you, brother.
perhaps you could have some of the information from the site AfterShock translate and publish on SOTT?

Look, please, those web pages which I gave in the previous report, there are a lot of photos and videos, and that's not all. it would be very necessary to convey to all the people outside of Ukraine, that there is a real fratricidal war pursued by Jewish oligarchs from the regions and the presidential candidates. they need the southeast because only these regions and feed the rest of the country, Donetsk, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk and Lugansk give to Kiev 4 times more than they receive subsidies. it is we, and contains those who kill us. western regions produce almost nothing and do not work, Ukraine rests only on our necks, so they do not want to give us a completely clean up and subdue.

the only thing that angers me the most - in the cities-millionaires can not meet even 5 percent of the people to expel evil spirits from their region . each sit at home and suffer. I have struggled, I really want to help the militia, but I can not even get out of their region , because everywhere roadblocks with the Nazis, I'm afraid to leave my family - I have two little brothers and sister schoolgirl, I do not want to expose their jeopardy. and here in my town and the region, there will be no protest, because it is the Dnepropetrovsk the biggeast Jewish city in the country, which is ruled by Kolomoysky and he strangles any dissent in the bud. Kernes he bought, and others too. he simply presses the business. first pressed in Kharkov, now in Odessa. is the largest port and commercial city of the country, there are many thousands largest market - just grab it and its death squads. all the blood and all terror for him - just business. he is a citizen of Israel, who lives in Geneva.

 

[Siberia]

I simply don't manage to watch all events even in the native language, spending hours every day for the translation of materials here, I am sorry.

Lumiere_du_Code,

If you need any help with translating materials from Russian into English or vice versa, maybe I could help you? They might be confidential though. If not, I would be happy to help. I pray for you guys every day, my heart and my mind is always with you.

Remember our film "Brother"?

- What is strength?
- The truth. He who tells the truth is strong.

You tell the truth and you are strong. And we are all with you, always, remember it.

yeah, I remember this quote and this is my position. Thank you, brother.
perhaps you could have some of the information from the site AfterShock translate and publish on SOTT?

Okay, this analysis sounds very convincing (the Odessa tragedy): http://aftershock.su/?q=node/227585. I will translate it into English and suggest it for SoTT.

 

[Lumiere_du_Code]

I just want to express my moral support to you. I can imagine what you feel since I was living for 25 years in Ukraine (Crimea). My relatives are still there (Charkiv, Crimea) and it is a great suffering to me to see what is happening in this country. I can only recommend to you not to be guided by (negative) emotions and not to be succumbed to this mass psychosis. Are you familiar with Laura's stress reducing program Éiriú Eolas? If you have some articles in Russian about these events I'm ready to translate them in English.

Thank you all for your support, friends.
Of course, I hold most consciously as possible, despite the emotions keep a cool head. I do not care what happens to me, but I do not know what I should do, because I 'm actually in a closed circle. there is no work, there is no possibility to fight and you can not leave here without incident. I was very depressing this situation beyond my expectations and inaction, unable to do anything.
Russia will not introduce his troops, at least not yet, because everyone hates Russian here, sane people are few and really set Kolomoysky recently award $ 10,000 for the head of every Russian. PryvatBank already paid 8 such awards they reported. "hand over the Moskal and buy a ticket for a vacation or a car."
why Russian troops enter when no one in any major city itself can not unite and protect your home from the Nazis? for whom Russia will sacrifice their soldiers? it is ironic and bitter reality stalemate. a popular movement against the junta lack organization and a single strong leader who would raise people. any junta activists jailed or quietly destroys. the only possibility when people begin mass rally - when it happens in their homes the same what happened in Odessa, Slaviansk and Kramatorsk. only when they get hard kick, as would be terrible as it sounds. Fashington (Washington) only thing that you need to answer, and Russia sent troops, and it achieves this junta.

see these issues as possible, and even attach two documents, one of the witnesses who were in the burning house the trade union in Odessa
http://aftershock.su/?q=node/227501
http://aftershock.su/?q=node/227534
http://aftershock.su/?q=node/227386

 

[Laura]

As much as I want him to get in there and kick butt and take names, I think Putin has to stay his hand for a bit to allow the West to screw up completely. They seem to be doing a good job of it, too. But I bet he's cooking up an interesting brew.

But oh! I wish people were not suffering! What an evil, evil, evil thing this is.

 

[l apprenti de forgeron]

Then there's the issue that Merkel asks Putin's assistance in freeing seven, when the second article states Bloomberg reported, "They were holding 13 people hostage in Slovyansk," It gets really confusing trying to figure out, who's who and the associated positions of the different players?

If the pro-Russians took them like prisoners may have been because they would be acting as agents of NATO.

Hi axj,

thanks for the reply. What I tried to do was to provide some data on why I think that Schröder's policies were really rather destructive. Did you consider this data and the broader picture of his policies? I have the impression that you picked only a few of my points in your reply and sometimes changed topics.

Hi luc,

I think the most important question was whether Schroeder is a pathological type who intentionally made the rich richer and the poor poorer. Therefore, I provided some data that was missing in your assessment and which contradicts the notion that he is a pathological type:

- he admitted his mistake regarding joining the war in Kosovo
- there was a real rift between him and Bush when he did not join the Iraq war
- he does not jump on the bandwagon of vilifying Putin and instead demonstratively supports him

Whether or not he made mistakes which lead to a worsening of the situation is a different question, in my opinion. The legacy of Schroeder's policies is a much bigger topic and it may be that overall, he made things worse for Germany.

In my opinion he did the reforms that he thought were necessary in order to get the German economy back on track again and therefore benefit the whole country. With his policies the German economy did indeed become stronger again and the unemployment levels sunk significantly. On the other hand, the overall income levels of most people have stagnated or became lower when compared to earlier decades.

The problem is not Schroeder, but the German government and the bankers as a block, a pathological one. So yes part of the problem are the billionaires, or more precisely, the status- quo and the rights of an elite established long ago. Merkel ' s government is one of the tentacles of the Zionist - American Empire along with NATO , the IMF and ECB, and many large corporations. It is correct the image that have in many country in southern Europe of Merkel as a new Hitler? Surely it is too extreme, but the empire that she obeys is equal or worse than the Nazis. I think it is extremely difficult for the German government commit itself to peace, or to have good relations with Russia, because they cant choose without paying a high price. The German government has-been completely spied on by the NSA and perhaps other agencies of America. They are being blackmailed and controlled very skillfully. And although the German people need peace with Russia, Merkel and her government only think in themselves. And that's why these new threats of sanctions against Russia. No, whether there will be a change of direction in the German government, that will be by the struggle of the German people to be heard, but not by free choice of the German elite, that is almost impossible.

As much as I want him to get in there and kick butt and take names, I think Putin has to stay his hand for a bit to allow the West to screw up completely. They seem to be doing a good job of it, too. But I bet he's cooking up an interesting brew.

But oh! I wish people were not suffering! What an evil, evil, evil thing this is.

Yes, it's very sad and anguishing. These events in the East can change life for all in the entire planet, but how and to what extent can not be easily anticipate.

 

[Altair]

I just want to express my moral support to you. I can imagine what you feel since I was living for 25 years in Ukraine (Crimea). My relatives are still there (Charkiv, Crimea) and it is a great suffering to me to see what is happening in this country. I can only recommend to you not to be guided by (negative) emotions and not to be succumbed to this mass psychosis. Are you familiar with Laura's stress reducing program Éiriú Eolas? If you have some articles in Russian about these events I'm ready to translate them in English.

Thank you all for your support, friends.
Of course, I hold most consciously as possible, despite the emotions keep a cool head. I do not care what happens to me, but I do not know what I should do, because I 'm actually in a closed circle. there is no work, there is no possibility to fight and you can not leave here without incident. I was very depressing this situation beyond my expectations and inaction, unable to do anything.
Russia will not introduce his troops, at least not yet, because everyone hates Russian here, sane people are few and really set Kolomoysky recently award $ 10,000 for the head of every Russian. PryvatBank already paid 8 such awards they reported. "hand over the Moskal and buy a ticket for a vacation or a car."
why Russian troops enter when no one in any major city itself can not unite and protect your home from the Nazis? for whom Russia will sacrifice their soldiers? it is ironic and bitter reality stalemate. a popular movement against the junta lack organization and a single strong leader who would raise people. any junta activists jailed or quietly destroys. the only possibility when people begin mass rally - when it happens in their homes the same what happened in Odessa, Slaviansk and Kramatorsk. only when they get hard kick, as would be terrible as it sounds. Fashington (Washington) only thing that you need to answer, and Russia sent troops, and it achieves this junta.

see these issues as possible, and even attach two documents, one of the witnesses who were in the burning house the trade union in Odessa
http://aftershock.su/?q=node/227501
http://aftershock.su/?q=node/227534
http://aftershock.su/?q=node/227386

I started the translation of this article: http://aftershock.su/?q=node/227501. I just want to recommend you again to stay away from this mass psychosis. You don't have to fight with these people because they don't realise that they are just pawns in the psychopaths' chess game. All we can do is to spread the Truth. I hope these articles after having been translated into English can be posted on Sott. Keep cool, bro :)

 

[Altair]

Here is the english translation of the article at http://aftershock.su/?q=node/227501.

I was there, in the trade union house...


I was there myself, in the burning trade union house. Almost suffocated... Fire brigade was coming inexcusably long, about 20 minutes, and I guess it was not a coincidence. As well as the absolute absence of the police was not a coincidence too. After my rescue there was no fire brigade yet, I was helped to get down from the building by people without uniform – apparently they were ordinary civilians.

How come that people were in the building? Because of the ultras and other „patriotes of Ukraine“ running from all sides with sticks, stones, chains and Molotov cocktails. There was no place to retreat, the people were just entrapped in the building. The people I have seen were very poorly armed, if it can be called weapons at all: sticks, bats, plank fragments. That's all. No fire weapons or anything like that. There were many women, aged people, who came to help with medicaments, they ordinary citizens of Odessa (I emphasize: there were no military professionals, mercenaries or foreigners!). This is what I saw myself on the floor where I was (first or second floor).

Very soon a Molotov cocktail was thrown into the window, the corridor caught fire. There was a fire extinguisher, but we didn't manage to localize the fire. Me and ten other people hid from fire in one of the rooms, everything was pitch black because of the fire, there was scarcely air to breath,
everyone has fallen on the floor where some breathable air remained. Next to me there were people, groaning and praying, which were trying to reach their relatives on the phone and asking them to call fire brigade. The situation in the corridors was much worse because there was an open window in our room through which some fresh air came. We were calling and waiting, yet there wasn't any help, my relatives said me, that either nobody from the fire brigade picked up the phone or the line was continously busy..

After about twenty minutes a rope was thrown to us, we tied it up to a radiator – the people slowly started to come down on this rope. There were people without uniform on cornices, who were helping us to come down because the building was pretty high and there was a danger of smashing up. I haven't seen whether anybody was coming down after me, the people felt badly, a mobile phone was ringing by somebody but his owner didn't answer.


After descending I was given some water, Maidan supporters started to harass me but I managed to go away before our „europeans“ and „democrats“ started to beat the survivors for the simple reason that they have survived and managed not to burn alive.

How come that I turned out in the building? Because I am a doctor and there were friends of mine which I could not leave in the lurch.

… For the first time in my life I wanted to leave Odessa and Ukraine for good. All the same what for but as far as possible.

Is it possible to post it on Sott?

Many thanks

 

[Altair]

People trying to stop unkrainian troops:

http://<iframe width="420" height="...0w" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Italian mercenary in Ukraine?

http://<iframe width="560" height="...1M" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

 

[axj]

The problem is not Schroeder, but the German government and the bankers as a block, a pathological one. So yes part of the problem are the billionaires, or more precisely, the status- quo and the rights of an elite established long ago. Merkel ' s government is one of the tentacles of the Zionist - American Empire along with NATO , the IMF and ECB, and many large corporations.

The interesting thing in Germany is that the industry, the billionaires and so on do not want a confrontation with Russia. Many of them have large investments there. That is also why we get absurd things like John McCain saying that the German government listens too much to "Corporate Germany" because Merkel is reluctant to increase the confrontation with Russia.

I think what Schroeder showed was that Germany can indeed act more or less independently in world politics. Back then they also had Chirac in France on their side. And of course, Putin. In my opinion, one of the main purposes of this Ukraine conflict is to reduce the cooperation between Russia and Europe, since this started to become a threat to the (real or perceived) global dominance of the U.S. elites.

 

[Joe]

Here is the english translation of the article at http://aftershock.su/?q=node/227501.

Is it possible to post it on Sott?

Many thanks

It's posted here as an article

http://www.sott.net/article/278440-A-survivor-of-the-Odessa-Trade-Union-building-attack-speaks-out

and it has also been added to the Sott Focus here

http://www.sott.net/article/278402-Shades-of-911-US-backed-anti-Russian-attacks-by-Right-Sector-in-Ukraine-sees-jumpers-from-burning-building

 

[Altair]

Here is the english translation of the article at http://aftershock.su/?q=node/227501.

Is it possible to post it on Sott?

Many thanks

It's posted here as an article

http://www.sott.net/article/278440-A-survivor-of-the-Odessa-Trade-Union-building-attack-speaks-out

and it has also been added to the Sott Focus here

http://www.sott.net/article/278402-Shades-of-911-US-backed-anti-Russian-attacks-by-Right-Sector-in-Ukraine-sees-jumpers-from-burning-building

Thanks, Perceval :)

 

[Minas Tirith]

In my opinion, one of the main purposes of this Ukraine conflict is to reduce the cooperation between Russia and Europe, since this started to become a threat to the (real or perceived) global dominance of the U.S. elites.

Seems to work alright already
__http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/europa/rasmussen-nato-muss-sich-ruesten-12921397.html

Nato-Generalsekretär Rasmussen: Nato muss sich rüsten

03.05.2014 · Die Annexion der Krim durch Russland sei ein „Wendepunkt“, auf den die Nato reagieren müsse, hat Nato-Generalsekretär Rasmussen der Frankfurter Allgemeinen Sonntagszeitung gesagt. Er appellierte an die Verbündeten, die Verteidigungsausgaben hochzufahren.

Nato-Generalsekretär Anders Fogh Rasmussen hat die europäischen Verbündeten aufgerufen, sich stärker gegen eine Bedrohung durch Russland zu wappnen. „Was in der Ukraine geschehen ist, muss ein Weckruf für Europa sein“, sagte Rasmussen im Gespräch mit der F.A.S. und verband dies mit dem Appell: „Fahrt eure Verteidigungsausgaben nicht immer weiter zurück, dreht den Trend um und investiert Schritt für Schritt mehr Geld in die Verteidigung!“ Rasmussen sagte zur Begründung, Russland habe seine Verteidigungsausgaben um dreißig Prozent erhöht, während einige europäische Verbündete ihre Ausgaben um 40 Prozent gekürzt hätten.

Er verwies außerdem darauf, „dass sich Russland momentan mehr wie ein Gegner aufführt als wie ein Partner“. Die Annexion der Krim sei ein „Wendepunkt“ in der europäischen Geschichte, auf den die Nato reagieren müsse.

Translation with Google Translator

NATO Secretary General Rasmussen : NATO must arm themselves

03.05.2014 · The annexation of Crimea by Russia was a " turning point " on which NATO would respond , NATO Secretary General Rasmussen has told the Sunday newspaper. He appealed to the allies to ramp up defense spending.

NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen has called on European allies to do more to protect themselves against a threat from Russia. " What has happened in the Ukraine, must be a wake-up call for Europe," Rasmussen said in an interview with FAS and combined this with an appeal : " Don't cut your defense spending not always further back, turn the trend around and invest step by step more money into defense," Rasmussen told the grounds that Russia had its defense spending increased by thirty percent , while some European allies their spending would be reduced by 40 percent.

He also pointed out " that Russia currently beahves more like an enemy than lists as a partner." The annexation of the Crimea was a " turning point " in the history of Europe , on which NATO would respond

M.T.

 

[Lumiere_du_Code]

Today the leader of the Nazi Party "Freedom" Tyahnibok with Jewish oligarch-presidential candidate Poroshenko in Odessa accused happened and all the victims is did personally Putin. Tymoshenko says all full psychopathic heresy, and today there was a video where she is in Odessa administration says "we need to organize an attack on the veterans to May 9 Victory Day".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPSBJyDb1uM

Ukrainian news - just a continuous stream of spooky blatant lies and propaganda, and each day from morning to night these brainwashed all those who this nonsense looks and reads. I even have one or two Ukrainian news causes vomiting.
yesterday showed video of the Slaviansk when leaving spies liberated Europe (OSCE). completely perverted German words he allegedly said that their content held hostages was "horrible and degrading".

Odessa: version of one murder: http://aftershock.su/?q=node/227640
see picture - Pregnant woman killed in the building trade unions, in the room where there was no fire. pay attention to the situation. visible signs of a struggle.
and then you watch video in the same place: approximately from 0:50 hysterical shout is audible, the woman several times shouts "help me!". people who stand on the street and the operator, note it as, and someone from crowd shouts "damn soak already this scum, so as not to screaming!". srceam proceed about approximately 4th minute then from a window there are radicals and wave the Ukrainian flag.
then the second video: Watch from 4:30, Maidan radicals were in the building long before the fire! Therefore it is quite possible fire from the inside, but not at the hands of the victims. And the fire was commonplace cover mass murder.
there are many photos, on which many of the victims were tortured to death before the fire. they lie in unnatural positions, some people muscles are tense, as if death came instantly.
cops and therefore not allowed, and inside were only insurgents. Looking for a Russian passport and cover their tracks.

and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Odessa called cause burning building and deaths they themselves set fire to the bottles with Molotov flew above!
curious that the Interior Ministry and Security Services in Odessa is in the Jewish street (name of street).

here are some videos from "Mykola a centurion":
http://da-dzi.livejournal.com/206288.html
please who knows Russian, translate, there a little.
on the result of the entire conspiracy (and it is indeed) of it "centurion", radical fighters and some cops rewarded and promoted to the rank:
Headquarter DSNS Ukraine in Odessa region, represented by the head of the Bodelana Vladimir Ruslanovych on behalf of the Head of the Odessa OGA Vladimir Nemirovsky rewarded personnel units and five representatives yatoh FC (soccer club) "Chernomorets" and FC "Metallurg" appreciation and cash awards of 10 thousand dollars each for personal courage and heroism that were shown during life-saving Odessites during unfortunate fire in the House of Trade Unions May 2, 2014.
Through timely and professional actions of rescuers and indifference and self-sacrifice of young people in the name of assistance to citizens who are in trouble, managed to avoid many more victims.
"I especially want to note that saving people ziysnyuvalos threatened and complement direct use of Russian diversantamy separatistamy and firearms charges" - said Vladimir Bodelan.

Nemirovsky - this is the junta's Gauleiter of Odessa region, which is one of the conspirators in this scenario killings of Antimaidan activists.