Civil War in Ukraine: Western Empire vs Russia

[thorbiorn]

Earlier in the year, it was alleged that the Ukrainian gold was taken out from Borispol airport after the coup d'etat and flown to the US., but it has not been officially confirmed. What is admitted now, is that there is much less gold in Ukraine. The presentations vary depending on who is reporting, but the message remains:
_http://russia-insider.com/en/politics_ukraine_society/2014/11/19/04-47-13pm/ukraines_gold_officially_missing
_http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/21/us-gold-imf-holdings-idUSKCN0J501220141121
_http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-21/gold-holdings-in-ukraine-slump-amid-conflict-in-eastern-regions.html
_http://rt.com/business/207347-ukraine-gold-reserves-gone/ Note that some of the comments to the rt article are interesting guesses, although one may have to scrool down to find them. For instance, there is one guess that the Netherlands repatriated 122.5 tons to shut up about what they know about the MH 17. True or not it is still remarkable. NL and the US now hold equal amounts of Dutch gold. 189.9 tons while Canada holds 122.5 and the UK 110.3 tons. Here is an article which gives the details: _https://www.bullionstar.com/blog/koos-jansen/the-netherlands-has-repatriated-122-5t-gold-from-us/

 

[thorbiorn]

Poroshenko is the official leader of Ukraine, but there are many other influencial people. Here is one:

[...]
Dmitriy Yarosh is the founder and head of one of Ukraine’s two racist-fascist, or nazi, parties, Right Sector. He is officially the #2 Ukrainian national-security official, working directly under Andreiy Paribuiy, who heads Ukraine’s other nazi party (the party that used to call itself Ukraine’s “Social Nationalist Party,” after Hitler’s National Socialist Party, but which the CIA renamed “Svoboda,” meaning “Freedom,” so as to make it more acceptable to Americans).

However, Yarosh has turned out to be Ukraine’s actual leader, despite his not being officially at the top. His nominal boss, Paribuiy, had been appointed by Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who was chosen on February 4th (18 days prior to the coup) to be Ukraine’s new leader, by Victoria Nuland, who was appointed by Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, who were appointed by Barack Obama (the actual ruler of the new Ukraine).[...]

Andreiy Paribuiy, hmm was he involved with the massacre in Kiev? Here at this link is a phote allegedly taken right after _https://www.facebook.com/kristinarossia/posts/10203501734848280 The picture was reposted from a RU fb page by Kristina Rus who put this introduction: "After the heavenly hundred was shot with Andrey Paruby in the background"

 

[thorbiorn]

For the sake of the record:

Russia’s Civic Chamber unveils report on torture in south-eastern Ukraine
Russia November 24, 13:55 UTC+3

“The large-scale and systematic character of tortures allows us to say it has been sanctioned by the leadership of Ukraine,” one of the report’s authors Maxim Grigoryev said

MOSCOW, November 24. /TASS/.
Russia’s Civic Chamber presented a report on Monday revealing the truth about crimes committed by the Ukrainian troops during the armed conflict in south-eastern Ukraine.
Local residents outside a destroyed house in Donetsk region
© Mikhail Pochuyev/TASS

Russian lawmakers welcome UN report on serious human rights violations in eastern Ukraine

“The data that we have received allows us to say that Ukraine’s Armed Forces, the National Guard, other formations of the Interior Ministry and Ukraine’s Security Service have been systematically and on purpose violating international conventions, using torture,” one of the report’s authors Maxim Grigoryev said.

The experts of the Civic Chamber, a governmental civil society oversight body created by the president in the early 2000s, questioned over 100 people in Donetsk who were handed over to self-defense militias during prisoner exchanges.

“The large-scale and systematic character of tortures allows us to say that their usage is an intended policy of structures and has been sanctioned by the leadership (of Ukraine),” Grigoryev said.

Grigoryev said people “had been thrown into holes with corpses, crushed with excavator bucket, burnt by burner device, hung on their hands and had had their toes hit with a sledge hammer,” while the use of electric current is a standard method of tortures.

He stressed that most victims had no link to militias in eastern Ukraine and had never held weapons and had been seized upon accusations which are “completely absurd."

 

[Siberia]

Cyber Berkut posted the files allegedly hacked from American delegation member’s mobile device during his trip to Kiev. If true, the "non-lethal aid" is very lethal in fact: http://cyber-berkut.org/en/. fwiw

 

[thorbiorn]

Cyber Berkut posted the files allegedly hacked from American delegation member’s mobile device during his trip to Kiev. If true, the "non-lethal aid" is very lethal in fact: _http://cyber-berkut.org/en/. fwiw

Thank you Siberia, that is a nice find. Here are some excerpts:

[...]
This document contains signatures of Barak Obama and John Kerry. The USA will provide Ukrainian Armed Forces with counter-mortar radars. It is what Mr. Poroshenko proudly talked about. So it happened. Three radars worth a total of $400 000. It's a penny in comparison with what Ukrainian army will receive from Washington. From these documents it's not difficult to understand that US military assistance calculates in millions of dollars. And as we all know, he who pays the piper calls the tune.
[...]
The United States of America continue to assert that they are ready to provide Ukraine only with non-lethal commodities. But for some reasons members of Joseph Biden’s delegation have been given the document with the mark “for the Congress, final”. After reading of this document it’s getting clear that the junta is not going to comply with the Minsk agreements and observe the truce. They are ready to kill again!
400 sniper-rifles, 2000 assault-rifles, 720 hand-held grenade launchers, 200 mortars with more than 70 000 mines, 150 stingers, 420 antitank missiles and so on. That’s the plan of a peaceful settlement of the conflict in the South-East by Petro Poroshenko.
[...]
For some reason, special attention is paid to Ukraine’s Naval Forces. On one hand it’s clear that there are no Naval Forces in Ukraine. On the other hand it points at aggressive plans of the USA and Kiev to prepare subversive operations not only in the South-East, but in Crimea. It’s hard to find another explanation. Otherwise, for what purpose does Ukraine need 150 combat divers?

 

[Lumiere_du_Code]

Day before yesterday wh*res of OSCE registered moving artillery on the neutral zone, which have made a distinction, move in the direction of Donetsk with "symbols, similar to the Ukrainian" (already in one of their phrase - the essence of all their ugly).
and yesterday was shelled bus stop in Donetsk, one of shell hit a bus, killing two passengers, 7 more were seriously wounded. but OSCE is silent. what the hell are these bi*ches doing there? they are silent even when the junta military fired themselves, members of OSCE.

 

[Aeneas]

Day before yesterday wh*res of OSCE registered moving artillery on the neutral zone, which have made a distinction, move in the direction of Donetsk with "symbols, similar to the Ukrainian" (already in one of their phrase - the essence of all their ugly).
and yesterday was shelled bus stop in Donetsk, one of shell hit a bus, killing two passengers, 7 more were seriously wounded. but OSCE is silent. what the hell are these bi*ches doing there? they are silent even when the junta military fired themselves, members of OSCE.

I share your disgust. The OSCE are in bed with the devil

 

[SeekinTruth]

Day before yesterday wh*res of OSCE registered moving artillery on the neutral zone, which have made a distinction, move in the direction of Donetsk with "symbols, similar to the Ukrainian" (already in one of their phrase - the essence of all their ugly).
and yesterday was shelled bus stop in Donetsk, one of shell hit a bus, killing two passengers, 7 more were seriously wounded. but OSCE is silent. what the hell are these bi*ches doing there? they are silent even when the junta military fired themselves, members of OSCE.

I share your disgust. The OSCE are in bed with the devil

Same here - totally disgusted. The OSCE, like so many of these types of organizations, are just a tool of Empire - trying to make murder and mayhem look respectable. But most of the time obfuscating who the perpetrators of atrocities are.

 

[thorbiorn]

There are many voices reagarding the situation in Ukraine and below is the one of an athlete:

(VIDEO) Revered MMA Champ Fedor Emelianenko, Born in East Ukraine: Western Media Are Lying
He has a massive fan base around the world - one of the biggest sports heroes of his time

Found on _http://russia-insider.com/en/tv_ukraine/2014/11/24/09-59-20pm/mma_fighter_fedor_talks_about_war_ukraine

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Emelianenko (Wikipedia) is considered to be one of the greatest athletes of all time, and has a huge fan base around the world.

He is revered, not just for his astonishing accomplishments in MMA (Mixed Martial Arts), but also for his values and attitude of humility, which are seen as a key reason for his success.

He is a devout Christian, and his life story and persona have been heavily chronicled world-wide in films and documentaries.

He explains that he has relatives who have been affected by the war.

Says the Ukraine government is fighting its own people and the western media is turning real events on its head.

 

[Siberia]

Emelianenko (Wikipedia) is considered to be one of the greatest athletes of all time, and has a huge fan base around the world.

He is revered, not just for his astonishing accomplishments in MMA (Mixed Martial Arts), but also for his values and attitude of humility, which are seen as a key reason for his success.

Fedor Emelianenko is so popular in Russia exactly because of his values, although his athletic victories are also absolutely stunning (he is considered the best fighter in the history of MMA). I didn't know that he was born in the East Ukraine. His values are his family and his country. He is a very decent and humble person respected by everyone.

 

[Siberia]

There is another famous MMA fighter, Aleksey Oleinik, also born in the East Ukraine: one week ago he won his 50th fight vs Jared Rosholt in Austin, Texas. He came to the weigh-in wearing a Putin T-shirt. In his interview to LifeNews he explained his position is detail, here is a short part of it (my translation):

MMA fighter Aleksey Oleinik, called Putin Punch by the American media, after winning his fight vs American fighter Jared Rosholt, told LifeNews how his relatives and friends reacted to his decision to weigh-in wearing a Putin T-shirt.

"Almost all my relatives from my father's and my mother's side live in the Ukraine. And all of them supported my decision," said the sportsman. "I can tell you even more: I received about a thousand messages in social networks and from strangers of the Ukraine and almost all of them were like "Donbass is with you!", "Kiev is with you!", "Zaporozhie is with you!" People reacted positively to my social position. By wearing a Putin T-shirt I wanted to express my respect to Vladimir Vladimirovich and to the politics which Russia does through him. There were only a couple of messages saying that I sold myself out."

Oleinik was born in the Ukraine, but during the last seven years he has been living and training in Moscow. The sportsman noted that he doesn't divide these two countries for himself. He thinks that Russians and Ukrainians are one people.

"My birth certificate bears inscription "born in the USSR." I was taught at school and in my family that Russians, Ukrainians and Belarussians are one big family, that we are one. My position is that we shouldn't divide our peoples. From the very beginning I opposed Maidan, opposed violence, opposed military conflict. If you want changes then sit at the negotiations table and hold referenda. It is absurd when people are trying to reach some European democratic ideal with non-democratic methods. As it occurs, they say one thing and do the opposite.

The sportsman said that he was fighting for the country's honor and for his relatives and friends.

Here is the full video version of the interview in Russian: http://lifenews.ru/news/145914. The T-shirt:

 

[thorbiorn]

[...]It is absurd when people are trying to reach some European democratic ideal with non-democratic methods. As it occurs, they say one thing and do the opposite.
MMA fighter Aleksey Oleinik, called Putin Punch by the American media, after winning his fight vs American fighter Jared Rosholt, told LifeNews how his relatives and friends reacted to his decision to weigh-in wearing a Putin T-shirt.

"Almost all my relatives from my father's and my mother's side live in the Ukraine. And all of them supported my decision," said the sportsman. "I can tell you even more: I received about a thousand messages in social networks and from strangers of the Ukraine and almost all of them were like "Donbass is with you!", "Kiev is with you!", "Zaporozhie is with you!" People reacted positively to my social position. By wearing a Putin T-shirt I wanted to express my respect to Vladimir Vladimirovich and to the politics which Russia does through him. There were only a couple of messages saying that I sold myself out."
[...]
The sportsman said that he was fighting for the country's honor and for his relatives and friends.

Is it a coincidence that two successful MMA fighters happen to have family ties in Ukraine, to understand what is going on - and to say it!


Mod's note: got rid of dangling quote tag.

 

[thorbiorn]

A couple of news items:

83 Russian journalists have been deported from Ukraine (Special Correspondent, Russian Chanel RTR)

Besler: Poroshenko sold weapons to the rebels
On November 28 a video with NAF commander Igor Besler appeared online [_http://lifenews.ru/news/146034], accusing Poroshenko of arms shipments to the rebels:

"Mr. Gerasimov, who got into Ukrainian parliament from Poroshenko's party, said in his interview that I used to be his driver, and he has no other connections with me. I would like to ask Mr. Gerasimov a question, how did surrounded Gorlovka receive weapons in large quantities? That the weapons came from Ukraine can be confirmed by Ukrainian POW's who unloaded it. And shipment lists described in Ukrainian what ammo, what weapons.

May be Mr. Gerasimov will tell Ukrainian media how through Mrs. Lebedeva and Mr. Poroshenko, who wasn't yet a president of Ukraine, weapons were delievered to Gorlovka, not by one or two boxes, but entire 'Urals', and the frequency was once every 3 days.

I have a question, we haven't received weapons worth 450,000 UAH, I would like to receive it in Gorlovka.

To those Ukrainians who give 5 UAH on the phone to support Ukainian army, I can tell, the price of a gun, delievered by Ukrainian side is 1,900 UAH, the price of a BTR is 19,000 UAH. We didn't agree about tanks.

This is where the weapons are from. So don't look for Moscow's hand, there is a very big hand of Kiev.

Mr. Poroshenko, when he was not yet a president of Ukraine had very good business with me. Delievered a lot of weapons.

May be he is conducting the Anti-Terrorist Operation to conceal the arms shipments?

Petr Alexeich, please decide whether you are conducting the ATO or working for me? You owe me 450,000, time to pay."

Translated by Kristina Rus

Interesting political twist. Besides, money is made in all wars. During the end of WW2, the German author Heinrich Böll noticed that huge weapon deals were made between German soldiers and Sovjet partisans in Odessa during the time of retreat of the German led forces.

 

[thorbiorn]

The other day there was the news that Poroshenko would like to open up for foreign nationals in the government. The English languaged Kyiv Post has this to add:

Global recruiting agencies find 24 foreigners to work in Ukraine's government

Nov. 29, 2014, 2:14 p.m. | Ukraine — by Ivan Verstyuk
Lack of public service professionals on the Ukraine labor market has pushed the government to look abroad for qualified applicants who can take positions.

Prague-based Pedersen & Partners and Korn Ferry, global head hunting firms, have found 185 potential employees, many of whom are members of Ukrainian community in Canada, the U.S. and the U.K.

After the job interviews, 24 candidates were recognized as fully qualified to serve in Ukraine's public offices. However, their names haven't been disclosed so far.

Four of them are expected to be employed with the Agrarian Ministry and another four with the Finance Ministry.

The Renaissance Foundation, a global network of policy consulting centers launched by American billionaire George Soros, has sponsored the headhunting process. It paid as much as $82,200 to two companies involved in finding the capable employees for the government agencies.

As of now, Ukrainian legislation doesn't allow the foreigners to hold any public offices, which is why those who'll accept the government's job offers will have to take Ukraine's citizenship. Meanwhile, dual citizenship is not allowed.

President Petro Poroshenko during his Nov. 27 speech in parliament offered to allow the foreigners be officially employed in the country's government. Moreover, he asked the lawmakers to provide him with legal tools to grant Ukrainian citizenship through special decrees.

Central Bank Governor Valeriya Gontareva also thinks this should be changed. "Unfortunately, current Ukrainian legislation does not allow me to hire foreign citizens and to get the best experts on the NBU staff," she said.

"Ukraine is facing very special challenges - complicated situation in the economy, aggression from the side of the Russian Federation, necessity of pivotal reforms and efforts focused on fighting the corruption," commented Dmytro Shymkiv, deputy head of presidential staff. "Ukraine needs Western practicians of public administration, fight against the corruption, financial planning, anti-crisis management."

Meanwhile, Natalie Jaresko, U.S. citizen of Ukrainian descent and chief executive officer of Horizon Capital, a private equity fund with $650 million in assets, is considered to be a candidate for the position of finance minister, according to the Kyiv Post research.

Georgia's former president Mikheil Saakashvili, who is currently a political science lecturer at Tufts University in the U.S., may become Ukraine's deputy prime minister.

Kyiv Post associate business editor Ivan Verstyuk can be reached at verstyuk@kyivpost.com.

Miikheil Saakashvili was leader of the Rose Revolution in Georgia in 2003 and was president of Georgia between 2004 and 2013 _ _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikheil_Saakashvili As Geogian president, he was inspired by US political forces and NATO influences to initiate the 2008 war between Georgia and Russia. Like that he has proven his worth as a useful puppet.

 

[axj]

Georgia's former president Mikheil Saakashvili, who is currently a political science lecturer at Tufts University in the U.S., may become Ukraine's deputy prime minister.

Miikheil Saakashvili was leader of the Rose Revolution in Georgia in 2003 and was president of Georgia between 2004 and 2013 _ _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikheil_Saakashvili As Geogian president, he was inspired by US political forces and NATO influences to initiate the 2008 war between Georgia and Russia. Like that he has proven his worth as a useful puppet.

In Georgia, a court issued an arrest warrant for abuse of power against Saakashvili this year:
_http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/02/us-georgia-saakashvili-charges-idUSKBN0G20FK20140802

It is almost comical that he would then be the deputy prime minister of Ukraine. It is almost like they are trying to shoot themselves in the foot - I don't think this government can last long. As the economic situation in the Ukraine worsens, there may be both a conflict between the right-wing groups and the government (they already stated as much), as well as the possibility of a new popular uprising.