Civil War in Ukraine: Western Empire vs Russia

[Persej]

In the meantime, Russia invaded Serbia! :O

http://rt.com/news/204059-serbia-bmd2-vehicles-paradrop/

 

[thorbiorn]

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I think we could well have reached 100.000+. The question might be how many more will die in this country where lots of tensions rule, before it finds peace and stability?

Maybe less, suppose the numbers that estimates that appeared in early August were about right that is some 9-10 thousand, then it could be something like 12-13 by now plus four to five times more wounded. If the concept presented in this article http://www.sott.net/article/288677-Vladimir-Putins-historic-defiance-of-the-Anglo-American-Axis-and-their-New-World-Order is anything to go by, then it is possible many more will pass on before it is over. In the above mentioned article there is section which is interesting to consider:

Particularly in light of their recent destruction of Gaza, Israel has essentially sealed its fate. Consequently, the Middle East has morphed into a HUGE powder keg ready to blow whenever Israel decides to cross one too many red lines for the umpteenth time. Any normal person living in such a volatile environment would only want to far remove themselves from such a precarious state of affairs, which is why there is now a very quiet movement of Ashkenazi Jews back to the Ukraine, their ancestral homeland.

Comment: This would make sense if it were true. What we know for a fact is that Israel has been extraordinarily quiet about what is arguably one of the largest and most politically active Nazi movement since WWII. Why is that? How can that be? Not one 'never again' speech has been made by Israel's PM Benjamin Netanyahu deploring the massive neo-Nazi violence, thuggery, and institutionalized racism taken towards the culturally Russian population of Ukraine - and anyone standing in their way. The reason for this is simple. Quite like Israel's 'hands off' policy towards ISIS, Israel is using these extremist uprisings to clear the way for their own objectives towards control and dominance in these areas.

The US-UK-EU-Ukraine coalition has telegraphed its misguided intentions from the start.

From the very beginning of the manufactured civil war in the Ukraine, the Western powers have revealed their intentions of creating a new "European Israel". Removing the Russian language and substituting Hebrew as the second official language of the Ukraine is just one quite obvious move toward the establishment of a new Israeli enclave. All the while the Anglo-American Axis accuses Russia of having designs to create a new region - Novorossiya - known literally as New Russia. Such a red herring has accomplished the goal of not arousing suspicion as to the real plot to take over the Ukraine, just as Palestine was in the late 1940s. Furthermore, witness Israel's extraordinary silence regarding the whole AAA misadventure in the Ukraine before and during the ongoing, fabricated civil war.

Not only would such a "European Israel" provide a highly strategic geopolitical location from which to continue their efforts to destabilize Russia, the AAA would also use the Ukraine to run interference throughout the European Union. Just as Israel has been used to disrupt the entire Middle East for decades, the new Ukraine state being constituted for Israeli resettlement will serve a similar function throughout a Eurozone that is slowly becoming hostile to Jewish populations and their interests.

When the neofascist leadership in Kiev turned the military loose on the urban and rural areas of the Eastern Ukraine, it became apparent that a much greater agenda of ethnic cleansing was at work. Many authoritative reports have indicated the wholesale slaughter of innocent civilians, as well as the wanton destruction of infrastructure/places of worship/homes/businesses of the Russian-speaking populace. Some have even insinuated that a slow motion plan of systematic genocide is at work.

Is the above idea valid that the events in Ukraine could be a prelude to a new jewish migration leading to a European Israel? In the following I will take some relevant facts and excerpts from Wikipedia to create a starting point First of all, there should be around 2.8 million Azkhenazi Jews in Israel out of 10-11 million world wide. The Azkhenazi population of Israel makes up some 75 % of the Israeli Jews according to _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews After the collapse of the Soviet Union close to a million people, mainly Azkhenazi jews emigrated to Israel according to _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990s_Post-Soviet_aliyah For more details about earlier history and migrations from the area of the Soviet Union see _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Soviet_Union On this page there are also links to the history of the Jews in various parts of the Soviet Union. For Ukraine there is this link _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Ukraine which has:

Total civilian losses during WW II and German occupation in Ukraine are estimated at seven million, including over a million Jews shot and killed by the Einsatzgruppen and by their many local Ukrainian supporters in the western part of Ukraine. Ukraine had 840,000 Jews in 1959, a decrease of almost 70% from 1941 (within Ukraine's current borders). Ukraine's Jewish population declined significantly during the Cold War. In 1989, Ukraine's Jewish population was only slightly more than half of what it was thirty years earlier (in 1959). The overwhelming majority of the Jews who remained in Ukraine in 1989 left Ukraine and moved to other countries (mostly to Israel) in the 1990s during and after the collapse of Communism.[17] Antisemitic graffiti and violence against Jews are still a problem in Ukraine.[18]

This map from 1881 shows where jews and primarily Azkhenazis lived in Europe.

The dark grey colour shows the areas with the highest concentration then followed by red, pink, darker blue, lighter bluie. There is also a map showing the concentrations in % around 1905.

Wonderiing about this pattern it turns out there was something called the Pale.

The Pale was first created by Catherine the Great in 1791, after several failed attempts by her predecessors, notably the Empress Elizabeth, to remove Jews from Russia entirely,[citation needed] unless they converted to Russian Orthodoxy, the state religion. The reasons for its creation were primarily economic and nationalist.[citation needed]

The institution of the Pale became more significant following the Second Partition of Poland in 1793, since until then, Russia's Jewish population had been rather limited; the dramatic westward expansion of the Czarist Empire through the annexation of Polish-Lithuanian territory substantially increased the Jewish population. At its height, the Pale, including the new Polish and Lithuanian territories, had a Jewish population of over five million, and represented the largest component (40 percent) of the world Jewish population at that time.

From 1791 to 1835, and until 1917, there were differing reconfigurations of the boundaries of the Pale, such that certain areas were variously open or shut to Jewish residency, such as the Caucasus. At times, Jews were forbidden to live in agricultural communities, or certain cities, as in Kiev, Sevastopol and Yalta, and forced to move to small provincial towns, thus fostering the rise of the shtetls. Jewish merchants of the First Guild, people with higher or special education, University students, artisans, army tailors, ennobled Jews, soldiers, drafted in accordance with the Recruit Charter of 1810, and their families had the right to live outside the Pale of Settlement.[1] In some periods, special dispensations were given for Jews to live in the major imperial cities, but these were tenuous, and several thousand Jews were expelled to the Pale from Saint Petersburg and Moscow as late as 1891.

During World War I, the Pale lost its rigid hold on the Jewish population when large numbers of Jews fled into the Russian interior to escape the invading German army. On March 20 (April 2), 1917, the Pale was abolished by the Provisional Government decree, On abolition of confessional and national restrictions (Russian: Об отмене вероисповедных и национальных ограничений). A large portion of the Pale, together with its Jewish population, became part of Poland.

Taking these references to the history of Azkhenazi jews into consideration, then Ukraine does have significance, and I can understand that some jews realizing that they got into the wrong place for the wrong reasons would like to move away from Israel and perhaps back to where they came from or feel they belong more. It is possible a that few of these, with the help of EU/US/NATO and playing on internal tensions in Ukraine think they can fix up some part of Ukraine to their liking and create a new home. Sure, property and land must be cheaper when the owners are either killed or flee the area. Also Ukraine is a rich country and could hold more people. Only time will show if a scenario of a Euro Israel or something along those lines wil materialize in the area that until recently was Ukraine.

 

[Altair]

Ukraine WAS a rich country before 1991 and now it's basically bankrupt. As far as I know it was exactly Azkhenazi jews who promoted the idea of Zionism and creating a Jewish state in and only in Israel ("promised land"), so I don't think that many of them who currently live in Israel want to get back to Ukraine. The idea behind the current crisis in Ukraine is not to create a new home for jews but just a continuation of the strategy of tension to weaken Russia and to cut EU from Russia's energy resources and to replace them with fracking oil/gas.

 

[Siberia]

Ukraine WAS a rich country before 1991 and now it's basically bankrupt. As far as I know it was exactly Azkhenazi jews who promoted the idea of Zionism and creating a Jewish state in and only in Israel ("promised land"), so I don't think that many of them who currently live in Israel want to get back to Ukraine. The idea behind the current crisis in Ukraine is not to create a new home for jews but just a continuation of the strategy of tension to weaken Russia and to cut EU from Russia's energy resources and to replace them with fracking oil/gas.

Unfortunately, there is no need to create a Jewish state in Ukraine: it is already created and functioning. Poroshenko - whose real name is Waltzman - a Jew. Benya Kolomoisky - who controls Odessa and Dnepropetrovsk regions - a Jew. Kernes - who controls Kharkiv region - a Jew. Just a couple of examples. :(

 

[Lumiere_du_Code]

Ukraine WAS a rich country before 1991 and now it's basically bankrupt. As far as I know it was exactly Azkhenazi jews who promoted the idea of Zionism and creating a Jewish state in and only in Israel ("promised land"), so I don't think that many of them who currently live in Israel want to get back to Ukraine. The idea behind the current crisis in Ukraine is not to create a new home for jews but just a continuation of the strategy of tension to weaken Russia and to cut EU from Russia's energy resources and to replace them with fracking oil/gas.

Unfortunately, there is no need to create a Jewish state in Ukraine: it is already created and functioning. Poroshenko - whose real name is Waltzman - a Jew. Benya Kolomoisky - who controls Odessa and Dnepropetrovsk regions - a Jew. Kernes - who controls Kharkiv region - a Jew. Just a couple of examples. :(

so Kolomoysky and his lackey Filatov has repeatedly reiterated that they build in Ukraine "new Israel", (С)HABAD (if I wrote this correctly - not sure). Dnepropetrovsk since Soviet times was the center of Jewish.

 

[Lumiere_du_Code]

how junta wants to fight in winter: Ukrainian military were given boots from pressed paper

"We sent a winter ankle boots, so they began to break on the third day, and not only at the seams, - said one of the men of battalion "Kiev region". - While it's a new footwear made recently, not shelved. I put one pair at a checkpoint, and literally from 18:00 to 12:00 the following day during normal walking shoes also fell apart."

Soldier of the battalion "Sarmat" said the recruitment office of Kherson region bought boots on a factory in Kiev region for about 300 hryvnia per pair, though their market price was equal to 75 UAH.

http://russian.rt.com/article/60017

as always - a terrible Ukrainian corruption. sits a official in the office and make purchases on invented value, in this case they are 4 times the price misrepresented. 3/4 of the cost of each pair goes into his pocket. and so - always and everywhere. Likewise, billions of loans from IMF and EU have gone into the pockets of the leaders of the junta.

 

[Lumiere_du_Code]

Anatoly Shariy:
According to Ukrainian media, humanitarian convoy brought the weapons and only the weapons. Let's look at the weapon.


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[Lumiere_du_Code]

"Folk lustration sweeping the country"

few bastards in balaclavas attacked a woman - I do not know who she is, but she is the official - they began to insult her, doused with something and shouted "Go f**k from Zaporozhye, wh*re"

Ukraine is Europe! (slogan from Maidan)

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[thorbiorn]

Here is a link to an article _http://fortruss.blogspot.dk/2014/11/the-failed-ukrainian-blitzkrieg-that.html?spref=fb
The failed Ukrainian blitzkrieg that everyone failed to notice The title says it all and explains how it happened and why we did not hear about it.
and another: _http://fortruss.blogspot.dk/2014/11/galicia-native-brzezinsky-rules-us.html?spref=fb
Galicia native Brzezinsky rules US foreign policy for decades The artilcle also explains a couple of the differences between Kissinger and Brzezinsky with regard to their thoughts on foreign policy in Ukraine

 

[Howzat]

WTF was that massive FLASH in the sky over Donetsk the other night?! I have not seen any explanation yet.

If you have not yet heard about it there is information here:

http://www.interpretermag.com/category/blog/

This is a long page, being continuously added to. You will need to scroll down to entries for 19 November, or do a page search for the phrase 'Power At Least Partially Restored In Donetsk After Massive Flash'.

Because this page may not be to the taste of the prevailing trend of posters here, alternatively you may want to Google 'Donetsk flash' or similar. The photographic analyses on this page look pretty thorough and fair to my eyes, though.

What on earth happened? An EMP pulse? No audible sound, so not a normal explosion. Why no discussion anywhere?

 

[Mike]

Here is a youtube video of the feed mentioned in the link Be provided. Plasma discharge? With a meteor with a flash that bright you would expect noise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCtuMtJmkB8

 

[herondancer]

Wow. With a flash that big you would expect a lot of noise. It could have been a plasma discharge. I found some research where plasma was being used to muffle sound waves. It was pretty interesting, but I'm not sure it applies exactly:

http://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/1.829A

Maybe it was so high up and so diffuse that the glow didn't produce enough sound waves for a human to hear, as opposed to a lightning bolt, which is concentrated and focused?

 

[Keit]

Maybe it was so high up and so diffuse that the glow didn't produce enough sound waves for a human to hear, as opposed to a lightning bolt, which is concentrated and focused?

Well, it actually reminded me the "glow" that happened recently in Urals. Sure, the glow there was "yellow", whie this one is a white light. But there was a heavy cloud cover there, so who knows. Maybe the camera was closer in Donetsk case too. Notice that there wasn't any sound in this case as well, and it also happened for several seconds only.

 

[thorbiorn]

There was a vote in the UN which I found interesting:

[...]A draft text on combating glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices was also approved by a record vote of 115 in favour, 3 against (Canada, Ukraine, United States), with 55 abstentions.[...]

Who voted for and against can be read here: _http://www.un.org/en/ga/third/69/docs/voting_sheets/L56.Rev1.pdf and it is also included as an attachment.

The information was originally posted on _https://www.facebook.com/notes/751691264898024/?pnref=story where there is more comment and explanation.

 

[thorbiorn]

The following provides some insight into the role that Strelkov thinks he has played in the conflict in Eastern Ukraine.

Russia's Igor Strelkov: I Am Responsible for War in Eastern Ukraine
By Anna Dolgov, Nov. 21 2014 12:29, Last edited 12:29

Russian national Igor Strelkov, a former commander of pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine, has claimed "personal responsibility" for unleashing the conflict across the border, in which 4,300 people have been killed since April.

"I was the one who pulled the firing trigger of this war," Strelkov said in an interview published Thursday with Russia's Zavtra newspaper, which espouses imperialist views.

"If our unit hadn't crossed the border, in the end everything would have fizzled out, like in [the Ukrainian city of] Kharkiv, like in Odessa," Strelkov, also known as Girkin, was quoted as saying.

"There would have been several dozen killed, burned, detained. And that would have been the end of it. But the flywheel of the war, which is continuing to this day, was spun by our unit. We mixed up all the cards on the table," he said.

Following Russia's annexation of Crimea this spring, clashes between pro-Ukrainian and pro-Moscow activists broke out in the cities of Kharkiv and Odessa, with more than 40 people killed in a fire in Odessa in early May.

Since then, the two cities have remained largely peaceful, and most of the fighting between rebels and government forces has been limited to the eastern Luhansk and Donetsk regions.

Strelkov's interview was published the same day the UN released a report highlighting the involvement of Russian fighters in the eastern Ukraine conflict, which has resulted in the deaths of more than 4,300 people since mid-April.

"The continuing presence of a large amount of sophisticated weaponry, as well as foreign fighters that include servicemen from the Russian Federation, directly affects the human rights situation in the east of Ukraine," the report said.
Reluctant

Strelkov also told Zavtra that at the beginning of the conflict, Ukrainian separatists and government forces were reluctant to start fighting one another and that the main opposition to the rebels came from Ukraine's ultra-nationalist militants such as the Right Sector.

"At first, nobody wanted to fight," he was quoted as saying. "The first two weeks went on under the auspices of the sides trying to convince each other [to engage]."

But Strelkov claimed Kiev became emboldened after seeing that Russia was refraining from openly interfering in eastern Ukraine, as it did in Crimea, or from sending in large-scale forces.

He added that the lack of large-scale support from Russia was a major disappointment for the separatists, which lacked the manpower or weapons to combat government forces.

"Initially I assumed that the Crimea scenario would be repeated: Russia would enter," he told Zavtra. "That was the best scenario. And the population wanted that. Nobody intended to fight for the Luhansk and Donetsk republics. Initially everybody was for Russia."
Russian Involvement

Strelkov also gave an account of the degree of Russia's involvement in the conflict in eastern Ukraine.

At the start of this summer, 90 percent of rebel forces were made up of local residents, Strelkov was quoted as saying. However, by early August, Russian servicemen supposedly on "vacation" from the army had begun to arrive, he said.

According to Strelkov, the assault on the Black Sea town of Mariupol in September, which prompted concerns in Ukraine and the West that Russia has entered the conflict on a large scale, was conducted mostly by the Russian military "vacationers."

The rebel forces advancing on Mariupol at that time met with little resistance from government troops and "could have been taken without a fight, "but there was an order not to take it," he was quoted as saying.

While Moscow has repeatedly denied supplying the rebels with weaponry and manpower, Strelkov said the assistance offered to rebels remains significant: "I can't say that we fully provide for them. But we are really helping them," he said, noting that half of the rebel army was kitted out with winter clothes sent from Russia.
Shock Decision

After Donetsk and Luhansk held "referendums" on their independence from Ukraine in May, separatist leaders appealed to Moscow to accept the territories as Russian regions but Moscow responded with vague statements calling for "dialog" between rebels and Kiev.

Separatist had not contemplated building functional states and had pinned their hopes on being absorbed by Russia, Strelkov said, reasoning that Moscow needed a land connection to Crimea, which it had annexed in March.

"And then, when I understood that Russia was not going to take us in — I associated myself with the resistance — for us that decision was a shock," Strelkov was quoted as saying.

Strelkov has been living in Russia since early this fall, when he said he was moving to Moscow to protect President Vladimir Putin from enemies and traitors.

While he seems to have fallen out of favor with Russia's state-run media, having disappeared from their newscasts, he has taken to YouTube and fringe publication to issue an occasional appeal for increased Russian military involvement in eastern Ukraine.

"From the very beginning we started to fight for real — destroying raiding parties of the Right Sector," Strelkov told Zavtra. "And I take personal responsibility for what is happening there."

According to a UN report released Thursday, at least 4,317 people had been killed in eastern Ukraine by mid-November, and 9,921 have been wounded. The casualties include nearly 1,000 who have perished since "a tenuous cease-fire" was established earlier this fall.