Civil War in Ukraine: Western Empire vs Russia

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thorbiorn said:
Earlier in the year, it was alleged that the Ukrainian gold was taken out from Borispol airport after the coup d'etat and flown to the US., but it has not been officially confirmed. What is admitted now, is that there is much less gold in Ukraine. The presentations vary depending on who is reporting, but the message remains:

Back dated Sunday March 30, 2014 - Mr. Obama, whats happened to the Ukrainian gold? Answer: Arseny Yatsenyuk ordered its transfer to the United States

_https://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2014/03/30/mr-obama-whats-happened-to-the-ukrainian-gold-answer-arseny-yatsenyuk-ordered-its-transfer-to-the-united-states/

The Latest Heist: US Quietly Snatches the Ukraine’s Gold Reserves

As the dust settles in Kiev, another money trail has been revealed…

According to reports out of Kiev (see links below), the US has quietly transfers 33 tons of Ukrainian gold out of the country and back to vaults in the US. Presumably, this sovereign wealth transfer would be counted as partial “collateral” for a fresh round of IMF, US FED, and ECB paper debt that is currently being organised for dumping into the Ukraine’s economic black hole.

Multiple inquiries to US Federal Reserve administrators into the location of the Ukraine’s gold have been met with the proverbial ‘pass the buck’, making tracking and tracking the final resting place of these 33 tonnes very difficult indeed – but one can expect that the NY Fed is probably the institution who has masterminded this financial heist.

Note how gold flows into New York, but has difficulty flowing out of US private banking hands as is the case with the ‘confiscation’ of Germany’s gold. Numerous attempts by Bundesbank to repatriate its gold reserves have been met with a brick wall, and to date, Germany has only recovered a miniscule 5 tonnes directly from the NY Fed – out of the total 674 tonnes (an additional 32 tonnes were recovered via French central bank).

It’s worth pointing out here that when NATO sacked Libya in 2011, one of the first items that came into question was the gold in Libya’s state-run central bank. Prior to the NATO takeover of that country, Libya had one of the highest per capita gold reserves in the world, alongside Lebanon, giving Libya a distinct advantage should it carry out former Libyan leader Muammar Muhammad al-Gaddafi’s long-term financial transition to a gold-backed Libyan Dinar. As you can imagine, this is no longer the case in Tripoli.

Additionally, like Libya, both Syria and Iran are two of the world’s last remaining nation states who both have state-run central banks and gold reserves which fall outside of the world’s private central banking syndicate.

Needless to say, you can see an obvious pattern emerging here.

This brings me to the issue of the Ukraine’s gold. According to public records, the Government of Ukraine owns 33 tonnes of gold that was being safekept in Ukraine. Last week a Ukrainian newspaper reported that acting PM Arseny Yatsenyuk ordered the transfer of that gold to the United States.

Ukraine Gold Reserves Said To Be Put On Plane For Safekeeping in the US

this is an English translation made by
_http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.ie/2014/03/ukraine-gold-reserve-put-on-plane-for.html

from the original here
_http://iskra-news.info/news/segodnja_nochju_iz_borispolja_v_ssha_strartoval_samoljot_s_zolotym_zapasom_ukrainy/2014-03-07-9122

Here is a machine translation of the story in Russian from Iskra News:

Tonight from Borispol in the U.S. strartoval plane with gold reserves of Ukraine

As our site workers airport “Borispol”, this night in 2-00, with the designated airport runway started unregistered transport plane …

According to the staff “Boryspil”, before it came to the airport four collector car and two cargo minibus Volkswagen, while , all arriving truck license plate missing. Car pulled out of about fifteen people in black uniforms, masks and body armor. Some of them were armed with machine guns. These people have downloaded the plane more than forty heavy boxes … After that, some mysterious men arrived too entered the plane.

All loading was carried out in a huge hurry. After unloading the car without license plates immediately left the runway, and the plane took off on an emergency basis … Those who saw all this mysterious “special operation” airport officials immediately notified the administration of “Boryspil”, from which received a strong recommendation “not to meddle in other people’s affairs …”

Later, in received call back one of the senior officials of the former Ministry of income and fees, which reported that, according to him, tonight, on the orders of one of the “new leaders” of Ukraine in the United States has been taken all the gold reserves in Ukraine …”
 
axj said:
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In Georgia, a court issued an arrest warrant for abuse of power against Saakashvili this year:
_http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/02/us-georgia-saakashvili-charges-idUSKBN0G20FK20140802

It is almost comical that he would then be the deputy prime minister of Ukraine. It is almost like they are trying to shoot themselves in the foot - I don't think this government can last long. As the economic situation in the Ukraine worsens, there may be both a conflict between the right-wing groups and the government (they already stated as much), as well as the possibility of a new popular uprising.
Discovered, thanks to a network, an article about Saakashvili:
_http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2014/09/20/mikheil-saakashvili-doesnt-know-what-democracy-is/ said:
[...]
Saakashvilli is one of the rock stars of the democracy promotion industry, and he has close relationships with several of the highest-profile members of the “democracy solves everything” caucus, people like John McCain and Victoria Nuland. He’s written widely on the supreme importance of democracy and on America’s duty to spread it around the world in many of the country’s highest-profile and most widely read publications. It’s noteworthy, and more than a little bit ironic, that in reality Saakashvili has such a tenuous grasp of the concept to which he is so devoted.

Democracy is a wonderful solution if the problem being solved is an excessive concentration of political power. But democracy, as such, has very little, if any, impact on real estate markets or the prevalence of high-end coffee shops. Advocates of democracy promotion would be well advised learn from Saakashvili as he has provided a perfect example of how to not talk about the issue. To put it simply: if, like Saakashvili, you refer to your favorite restaurant as “democratic” you need to crack open a dictionary and become reacquainted with what democracy really means.
It is great there is such a candid description of a candidate for the UA/Kyiv government. He is no doubt the right man for the job, since Kyiv needs people just like that, if they wish to run a franchise of Freedom and Democracy (Reg trademark) as understood by the US, Israel and the EU. :lol:
 
Yeah, according to local media, Saakashvili has been under investigation in Georgia for months - for a few murders, abuse of power/theft of state funds/property, etc. He's been asked to go back to Georgia for interrogation and has refused. If I remember correctly, he's been charged for a few counts of the crimes that there has already been enough evidence collected for bringing charges. In addition to his refusal to return to Georgia for interrogation, he tried to get permanent residency in the US and was refused (according to local TV reports).
 
angelburst29 said:
thorbiorn said:
Earlier in the year, it was alleged that the Ukrainian gold was taken out from Borispol airport after the coup d'etat and flown to the US., but it has not been officially confirmed. What is admitted now, is that there is much less gold in Ukraine. The presentations vary depending on who is reporting, but the message remains:

Back dated Sunday March 30, 2014 - Mr. Obama, whats happened to the Ukrainian gold? Answer: Arseny Yatsenyuk ordered its transfer to the United States

_https://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2014/03/30/mr-obama-whats-happened-to-the-ukrainian-gold-answer-arseny-yatsenyuk-ordered-its-transfer-to-the-united-states/
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Thank you Angelburst for retrieving some more data on the issue of Ukrainian gold.

Now, if there was any gold left, maybe China would be interested too. In 2012 Ukraine and China signed a deal about delivering wheat to China. However, this year the promises are slow in being fulfilled, as this long Ukrainian article reveals: _http://www.ukrinform.ua/ukr/news/zirvaniy_kontrakt_kitay_ne_gartue__1996481 posted 17:25 29.11.2014 by Lana Samokhvalov

Even though the article is long, I decided to enter the text in http://translate.yandex.ru/ and present it. First the article describes different perspectives and it also shows how China, a country with a huge population, acts politically.

Broken contract: China not joking

At the end of 2012, Ukraine has signed with China General agreement. China has provided Ukraine with three-milliard dollar loan. One and a half billion Ukraine had for fifteen years to put in the China grain, one and a half billion, the so-called commodity portion of the loan, Ukraine could spend on infrastructure projects.

The execution of the contract, that is, the supply of grain in China, the Ukrainian side has laid upon the State food and grain Corporation.

After coming to the post of Minister of agrarian policy of Igor Shweiki in the press was the noise that China requires to return the money in arbitration. The noise, however, lay down, when at the head of the Corporation has been appointed the new Manager Peter Vovchuk.

And recently, the Chinese national Corporation SSES (full name China national Corporation of machine industry and General contracts - as amended), with which Ukraine has signed the aforementioned General agreement on supplies of cereals , accused our state in a catastrophic disruption of supply. In accordance Ukraine threaten imposing financial sanctions.

This is stated in a recent letter to the Chairman of the Corporation sung BAE, addressed to Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk.

Beijing to Kiev, where the grain of the Lord?

Here is the text of this document, which is available to UKRINFORM.

"Our company helps CONFEDERATION (and the State food-grain Corporation of Ukraine - ed) for 2014, which was a very difficult period for Ukraine and the state food and grain Corporation, writes song Bai, and This led to a prolonged slump in activity, as well as to the emergence of unresolved issues...

During September and October of this year, Microsoft SSIS and EQUIPPING concluded and signed nineteen contracts on grain exports in volume 1 090 000 tonnes, cost 230 million dollars, and the extent of additional supplies are still being discussed, including 150,000 tons of corn, which must be delivered before the end of December 2014 and 1 000 000 tonnes of wheat till the end of January 2015, according to a letter of the head of SSES. About 50% of the specified amount, and this 520 000 tonnes, had to be delivered before the end of October. We are concerned that deliveries do not occur according to the schedule - it was shipped, only 65 000 tons, and as the explanation were given the logistical problem, as well as other local administrative factors. We fear that this will lead to delays of deliveries during the quarter.

If the situation is not corrected, it will lead to breach of contract, as well as to financial losses, " says Mr. song Bai in the final part of the letter, we have made great efforts to obtain quotas for deliveries of grain from Ukraine (particularly maize), and to find markets of grain from Ukraine to consumers in China in tough competition with other major world exporters in North America and the countries of the black sea region. Achieving this goal depends on the implementation of supply as lost once the reputation is very difficult to recover no matter what the external circumstances. Our activities also concerned in several Ministries of China and the export-import Bank of China, which has provided several billion dollars in Ukraine".

The letter concludes with a request song Bai to Arseniy Yatseniuk "personally participate and assist ministries of Ukraine, as well as businesses in working with corporations IMPORTS and SSIS to execute our plans."

We also know that on the 14th of November in Kyiv delegation has visited SSES headed by the Chairman of the Board sun Bum and CEO Yang Jing. Manual SSES met with Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk and Minister of agrarian policy Igor Sharpening. Official reports of these meetings were very concise. According to our data, on the Ukrainian side of the conversation was very hard and unpleasant.

UKRINFORM turned into Food Corporation (incidentally, the form of ownership is a public joint stock company) with a request to comment on the situation and to obtain information about how to perform the contract. Unfortunately, no information, no public or private to get us failed. On written request from the Corporation haven't responded. At least at the time of this writing. Repeatedly dialed is listed on the corporate website of the phone number, but on the other end sounded that the phone does not work for technical reasons. Contacted the press-Secretary of the Corporation on Facebook, asking her about the comment, or at least about the real operating room admissions, but the answer is also no.

We kept trying to get the answer. In Parliament were able to ask questions to the Minister of agrarian policy of Igor Swiki. (This was the day of termination of the powers of government, and to elect a new government, industry de facto headed by Mr. Schweich.

"How would you comment on the position of the Chinese partners that Ukraine does not fulfill the contract?", "we asked.

"It CLARITA delirium, the contract is executed, there are graphs, we constantly consult with Chinese partners", - said the Minister.

"But we have seen letters from your partners from China who claim the contrary, about the same, as far as we know, were discussed at the session of the government, this was mentioned by the Prime Minister Yatsenyuk", " insisted we.

"This is nonsense, " said the Minister, " there's a graph there are objective factors that affect the situation, but we are in constant dialogue with Chinese partners and solved all our questions."

Why frowning Chinese

We asked the experts.

"The situation is really on the critical line, " commented one of the analysts who advise the government. Indeed, within 15 years of the General agreement Corporation SSES and EQUIPPING concluded nineteen trading contracts for export of Ukrainian maize obsah of 1.09 million tons, valued at $230 million And about half of the specified amount (520 tons) must be shipped before the end of October, and the rest in November of this year. In total, during the six-month period from July 2014 and January 2015, the Ukrainian state had to put the Chinese side over 3.3 million tons, including (in addition to the above-mentioned volume of 1.09 million tonnes, 1 million tonnes of wheat, about 0.8 million tons of barley, and an additional 0.2-0.5 million tons of corn.

However, as we can see, according to the Chinese side (and there is no reason for her not to trust), in early November, our Corporation has managed to do just 1 of 19 contracts, putting only those 65 thousand tons instead of more than half a million tons of corn! And future prospects hardly encouraging. As we learned from sources in the ports of Ukraine, during November IMPORTS in the best case, will send another 4 vessels with a total volume of 200 thousand tons Therefore, the default in most export contracts with China and underdelivery Ukrainian side 3/4 specified quantities of maize seems more than probable.

To the question, is there a chance until the end of the current year to correct the situation, our expert replied: "it Seems they nabiratsa to zero".

The critical attitude of our interlocutor on the Corporation's share and other interviewed experts and participants of the grain market. In their opinion, the reasons of failures of the Corporation are not only poor organization of international business management, logistics and transshipment. At the same time, they believe that the pursuit of quantitative shaft, not quality, the use of questionable services firms-intermediaries, buying grain at high prices in structures close to the Ministry. As a result, experts say, the Corporation has driven itself into a trap on the spot market. Forward contracts have been signed and funded twice less than expected. And most of them fails. As a result, even spent millions of money, IMPORTS are faced with acute shortage of grain export quality, carrying the loss Corporation on the first three quarters of this year, according to some, exceeded 820 million UAH. Arise high-profile corruption scandals, which featured the Corporation and its management, and what to do with all of this further, it seems that no one is.

And now the Chinese have sounded the alarm, making now (and not in a month or two) the problem at the highest level. According to our sources in the Cabinet and the Ministry of agrarian policy, the delegation of the Chinese SSEC said very categorically: if before the New year, the situation in IMPORTS will not change dramatically, the 15-year agricultural project and a loan of $1.5 billion, it will be possible to put the fat cross. The consequences of this development for our state, can be the most sad and difficult to predict.

Agrarian market analyst Marian Zablotskiy differently sees the situation that has developed in IMPORTS and suspected of dishonesty and previous management of the Corporation:

- First money on supplies of grain were allocated at the end of 2012. $ 1.5 billion. was credited to the set state food and grain Corporation in the state Ukreximbank. The money was obtained under the state guarantee, hastily adopted on 27 December 2012. It is clear that all 1.5 billion. IMPORTS were not immediately needed, but the money on account of Ukreximbank in terms of the budget deficit were very attractive to the Ministry of Finance. Moreover, for the use of money the government need only make one call and give the command of the Bank, which is located in their submission, send money to the budget. Both in private conversations, bankers say, the lion's share of Chinese money before the revolution was used UNECA for budget financing. The easiest way is buying government bonds denominated in dollars, which not so long ago were put into circulation on the domestic market. Formally, the state food and grain Corporation has money in the Bank, but the Bank's liquid foreign exchange assets, most likely, under this account anymore.

The new government understands that in order to calculate the Chinese should return the money from the budget. But it is not really wants. First, the Ministry of Finance has real financial difficulties. Secondly, the loan at very attractive conditions - low interest rate and long repayment period. But the loan is still not published for the budget and for the purchase of grain. Therefore, the government tries to balance between the target and misuse of money.

In this case, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, like all professional participants of the grain market, a very negative attitude towards IMPORTS. On the second agricultural forum Yatsenyuk openly called CONFEDERATION "evil spirits". The reason for this corruption scandals and loss that accompany the activities of the company. Since our inception, official losses IMPORTS exceeded UAH 1 billion. If not for the Chinese loan, EQUIPPING them probably already been eliminated.

As it was done, or rather, what was not done


The author of these lines in the UKRINFORM had to lead in the management of public Affairs food and grain Corporation and work on the position of press Secretary.

Working in a Corporation, I was constantly called to the Directors of elevators (the Corporation is 53 elevators throughout Ukraine, including two Crimean), studied the operational information to the Ministry of agrarian policy, communicated with Directors of various departments of the Corporation on cooperation with China (exports of grain was not the only focus of the Corporation).

I can say with absolute liability, the Corporation's period of leadership by Robert Brovdi (and the leadership of the Ministry of agrarian policy and food Mykola Prysiazhniuk) executed a contract with China.

This is confirmed not only the official reports of the Corporation of the period, but all my personal experience of communication with superiors conventional elevators, port elevators, all operational data of that period.

Two million tons exported Corporation before the end of 2013, there were significant achievement. Even some triumph, which in its own way of celebrating all the departments of the state food and grain Corporation. And then, in spite of the terrible social upheaval of the late 2013 - early 2014, the real economy and the agricultural sector lived their lives. Ukrainian court, chartered Corporation, stood under load and 30 and 31 December 2013, and January 1 and 2, and 6 and 8 January 2014. Corporation during the period were sent ten or twelve vessels per month in different directions. In other words, despite the revolution, Ukraine has remained a reliable partner.

I once asked the Director of the Elevator, as he managed four times to raise the rate of grain storage. (Elevators, SC are quite old and to bring them to the client, you need a special approach and contacts, and I wondered how they managed four times to raise revenue). He said, "Before everything a season of waiting to fill the grain tank, and then was shipped grain for export. But it turned out you can work differently: the Corporation started immediately chartered a small vessel and send it to the partners. Such reversibility gives good performance".

"Why did you finally begin the repair of elevators, China gives credit?" - I asked the head of the Department of construction (the second part of its three billion human loan, one and a half billion dollars, as has been said, was given to the reconstruction of our capacity).

"We went to China and well studied. In my opinion, is to buy only the Swiss equipment, concerns which are located in China, and they want us to take a purely Chinese equipment. Traded was explained to me by the Director of the Department of building, to Disclose the loan is not an end in itself. I for European equipment.

It is not strange, but problems in the Corporation began with the change of the "criminal regime" and the advent of a new, revolutionary, management.

At the staff meeting the new Minister Ihor Shvaika publicly promised the audience criminal cases. When he bravely went on, shaking hands with all the staff, the Director of the best Elevator Corporation grimly joked: "It's like in the movie: "Hello. I am the king".

From March until China stopped sending the ship. In the first half of April of the Corporation left the previous management, in one day with the head of the state food and grain Corporation Robert Brovdi freed 230 people. It was the Anglo-French and foreign staff, specialists who were trained for more than one year. They knew about all grain. And about quality, and about its price in each region of Ukraine and on each global exchange, and the routes of vessels and freight costs for these vessels.

To digress, I would say that it is the observation of PJSC "state food and grain Corporation" has convinced me that the state must exist. Despite the fact that private companies are now attacking the Cabinet initiatives to sell the Corporation, not sure that this is the only correct way.

Perhaps the state should be. But, it seems, to guide them should, showing the result of a business team. Then miscalculate all the risks, all the plans are logical. The success of each enterprise is simply a consequence of correct decisions of the Central office. (Even taking into account that Ukrainian darcorporation far to the West "relatives" and generous head pulls back not only close relatives, they are still effective).

Returning to the "revolutionary" management of the Corporation. Until the end of April in China has gone one ship. According to my calculations, which I discussed with the guy from the analytical Department (it very soon fired): not to leave the delivery schedule, we had to send five or six heavy ships a month.

We did not perform the contract, it was clear, as white day. On it there were no serious reasons. Just in the Corporation have people who, as they say, absolutely do not possess the topic.

In late April, the journalists agricultural agencies invited to the meeting, the Deputy Minister of agriculture under the quota Maidan Andrey Dikun. When he asked what we can to please the press and support the new government, I said, "Nothing. The contract is not executed more than 200 professionals have gone from the structure. Tribal longer with us did not meet.

In SC I witnessed two of the chief departments of forward purchases, the departments were renamed. I know that the documents about the new leadership of CONFEDERATION did in lustracni the Committee and the Commissioner for the fight against corruption. I admit, I tried to convey to the leader of Svobody" Oleg Tyagnibok (as you know, the Minister of agrarian policy Ihor Shvaika, is a native of "Freedom" - as amended) that the failure of the contract can be his personal responsibility. But no one is scared.


I must say that the departure of ships to China resumed. But loading one or two ships per month did not solve the issue of supply. Our export obligations 2013-2014 marketing years amounted to four million tons, and one velikovataya the vessel can accommodate 60 to 65 thousand tons.

In may in Kiev attended by representatives of the Chinese Corporation to meet with the new government, I was present at the meeting, Yang Jing Minister Igor Sharpening. I didn't feel anything but shame, when representatives of SSES gave amber a picture worth four thousand UAH. It is encouraging smiled, but her face was saying: treat for my money, it is better that you have fulfilled your obligations.

With high probability we can say that when Yanukovych's share of the profits of the Corporation was or his family or the Minister Prysiazhniuk. Even more - don't believe that then you could work differently. But the simple truth was that although a significant share of the profits could somehow go to private pockets, but we remained serious and capable partner for its suppliers. And if we want to remain a partner (and not running in this case on a serious court action), I would not have risked and gave it execute a professional team or already has experience of such a serious program or, at least, carried out such programs, which could revive a contract with China.

Do something, or instead of an epilogue


I was seen within six months after the arrival of the new team was collapsing slim the supply chain. As a hidden plans to expand capacity of its own port elevators and attempted to buy millions of dollars of unnecessary stevedoring campaign. For those who do not understand, explain. Export is, in addition, handling of grain at the port. It is expensive and difficult. The last command uses state power port elevators, and when they don't have enough for the whole grain, which is sent just rented a private berths terminal. Here it was essentially about buying an old dock with cranes, which shipped only metal. Media wrote that in fact this purchase, the head of the Corporation, Peter Vovchuk was detained SBU. As far as we know, in a few days he was released. But all the issues are cleared, not completely clear.

We already experimentalist with the General Agreement. Yes, I want new and fresh frames. But first grow such Manager who would immediately involved in the process and did. While no such Manager, to hire proven professionals. Create Supervisory Board, the body control with this command, you specify the conditions where they take the profit.

But start already, finally, to load grain in China.

Song Bai was not joking.

Lana Samokhvalov. Kiev
Poroshenko the other day wished for foreigners in the government administration. What if China does not get the payment or the grain, but settles for a few hundred Chinese administrators in Ukraine, in order to get value for their money. Not exactly what the US/EU had in mind, but after their own collapse, they could be next. In such a scenario, there will be no invasion, no blood, just administration and a standard of living approximately fitting to the level of contribution.
 
Yesterday I mentioned that Poroshenko or people on the Ukrainian side is suspected of doing deals across the frontline. Today I found this which shows once again how blurred the lines can be:
_http://fortruss.blogspot.dk/2014/11/the-lost-lessons-of-forgotten-civil-war.html?spref=fb said:
Excerpt from kp.ru interview with Igor Chubais, the author of "The Russian Idea"

When the Great Patriotic War began, a powerful guerrilla movement also started, organized from the center of Moscow. But also a confrontation with own government and a civil war began, which never hapenned before in Russian history. If an enemy attacked, if the French marched to Russia, all the people were united and fighting Napoleon. But when Hitler attacked Russia, a civil war began. And more than a million Soviet or ex-Soviet citizens took up arms and in different forms, in different structures fought against their own government.

But this civil war ended not in the 1945. It ended in the mid 1950's. Because the partisan movement continued after the departure of the Germans. I will say more. Well known to all of us Ernesto Che Guevara really was in constant correspondence with Stepan Bandera, the leader of Ukrainian nationalists and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army. Che Guevara studied the experience of the partisan movement. And he knew that even the Army Kraiova, the most powerful Polish formation, which fought in Poland after the war lasted only 2 years. Chekisty destroyed the Army Kraiova, it was gone.

In the Baltic States the "forest brothers" lasted 2 years, and they were no more. But the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) operated for 10 years. And the troops of NKVD, the KGB could do nothing about it. Stepan Bandera was very respected by Che Guevara, they entered into a correspondence. Fidel Castro together with Che Guevara and his friends landed in Cuba in December 1956. He was coming from Mexico on his schooner to Cuba. Bandera was invited to this schooner, but he could not make it because it was difficult to cross all the borders. Bandera was constantly in correspondence. Che Guevara said that he would never have taken the garrison of Santa Clara (this is one of the major Cuban cities). He attacked with a small group and took the city of Santa Clara. And Stepan Bandera, together with his commanders in Germany planned this operation and advised Che Guevara on the plan of action. Fidel Castro said that without the help of the Ukrainian insurgents they couldn't go past Sierra Maestra.

When Cuban revolutionaries entered Havana, Che Guevara proposed to make the Ukrainian language the second official language of Cuba. He invited Bandera to Cuba. And this is why in 1959 our agent killed Bandera in Munich, because Khrushchev understood that Cuba could go in the wrong direction.

This relates to our history, guerrilla movements and contradictions, which are still not analyzed and conclusions are not made.

Translated by Kristina Rus
For those who are familiar with Russian and interested in its history this is the link to the original article or interveiw transcription _http://www.kp.ru/radio/stenography/47142/

In the present context of Ukraine, it is significant that there was so much upheaval in USSR after the war. The present conflict in Ukraine has deep roots, and foreign powers do what they can to rip up old wounds. I think they are cruel.
 
One difficulty with regard to Russia, Ukraine, etc is to understand the effect of the collapse of the Sovjet Union. Fortunately, here is one artiicle by Dr. James Petras where he gives a historic overview of what happened as a preamble to his analysis and discussion or Russia's vulnerability to EU-US sanctions and military encroachments. I will only post the first half fo the article, which I consider the most relevant to this thread.

_http://mycatbirdseat.com/2014/11/russias-vulnerability-to-eu-us-sanctions-and-military-encroachments/ said:
Russia’s Vulnerability to EU – US Sanctions and Military Encroachments
James Petras November 10, 2014

President Putin has the backing of the vast majority of Russian people; he has the scientific and professional cadre; he has allies in China and among the BRICS; and he has the will and the power to “do the right thing”. The question remains whether Putin will succeed in this historical mission or whether, out of fear and indecision, he will capitulate before the threats of a dangerous and decaying West.

by Dr. James Petras

Introduction

The US-EU sponsored coup in the Ukraine and its conversion from a stable Russian trading partner, to a devastated EU economic client and NATO launch pad, as well as the subsequent economic sanctions against Russia for supporting the Russian ethnic majority in the Donbas region and Crimea, illustrate the dangerous vulnerability of the Russian economy and state. The current effort to increase Russia’s national security and economic viability in the face of these challenges requires a critical analysis of the policies and structures emerging in the post-Soviet era.

Pillage as Privatization

Over the past quarter century, several trillion dollars worth of public property in every sector of the Russian economy was illegally transferred or violently seized by gangster-oligarchs acting through armed gangs, especially during its ‘transition to capitalism’.

From 1990 to 1999, over 6 million Russian citizens died prematurely as a result of the catastrophic collapse of the economy; life expectancy for males declined from 67 years during the Soviet era to 55 year during the Yeltsin period. Russia’s GNP declined sixty percent – a historic first for a country not at war. Following Yeltsin’s violent seizure of power and his bombing of the Russian parliament, the regime proceeded to ‘prioritize’ the privatization of the economy, selling off the energy, natural resources, banking, transport and communication sectors at one-tenth or less of their real value to well-connected cronies and foreign entities. Armed thugs, organized by emerging oligarchs “completed” the program of privatization by assaulting, murdering and threatening rivals. Hundreds of thousands of elderly pensioners were tossed out of their homes and apartments in a vicious land-grab by violent property speculators. US and European academic financial consultants “advised” rival oligarchs and government ministers on the most “efficient” market techniques for pillaging the economy, while skimming off lucrative fees and commissions –fortunes were made for the well-connected. Meanwhile, living standards collapsed, impoverishing two thirds of Russian households, suicides quadrupled and deaths from alcoholism, drug addiction, HIV and venereal diseases became rampant. Syphilis and tuberculosis reached epidemic proportions – diseases fully controlled during the Soviet era remerged with the closure of clinics and hospitals.

Of course, the respectable western media celebrated the pillage of Russia as the transition to “free elections and a free market economy”. They wrote glowing articles describing the political power and dominance of gangster oligarchs as the reflection of a rising “liberal democracy”. The Russian state was thus converted from a global superpower into an abject client regime penetrated by western intelligence agencies and unable to govern and enforce its treaties and agreements with Western powers. The US and EU rapidly displaced Russian influence in Eastern Europe and quickly snapped up former state-owned industries, the mass media and financial institutions. Communist and leftist and even nationalist officials were ousted and replaced by pliant and subservient ‘free market’ pro-NATO politicians. The US and EU violated every single agreement signed by Gorbachev and the West: Eastern European regimes became NATO members; West Germany annexed the East and military bases were expanded right up to Russia’s borders. Pro-NATO “think tanks” were established and supplied intelligence and anti-Russian propaganda. Hundreds of NGOs, funded by the US, operated within Russia as propaganda and organizing instruments for “subservient” neo-liberal politicians. In the former Soviet Caucuses and Far East, the West fomented separatist sectarian movements and armed uprisings, especially in Chechnya; the US sponsored dictators in the Caucuses and corrupt neo-liberal puppets in Georgia. The Russian state was colonized and its putative ruler, Boris Yeltsin, often in a drunken stupor, was propped up and manipulated to scratch out executive fiats . . . further disintegrating the state and society.

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Russian President Boris Yeltsin received a warm bipartisan welcome in U.S. Congress in 1992

The Yeltsin decade is observed and remembered by the Russian people as a disaster and by the US-EU, the Russian oligarchs and their followers as a ‘Golden Age’… of pillage.

For the immense majority of Russians it was the Dark Ages when Russian science and culture were ravaged; world-class scientists, artists and engineers were starved of incomes and driven to despair, flight and poverty. For the US, the EU and the oligarchs it was the era of ‘easy pickings’: economic, cultural and intellectual pillage, billion dollar fortunes, political impunity, unbridled criminality and subservience to Western dictates. Agreements with the Russian state were violated even before the ink was dry.

It was the era of the unipolar US-centered world, the ‘New World Order’ where Washington could influence and invade nationalist adversaries and Russian allies with impunity.

The Golden Era of unchallenged world domination became the Western ‘standard’ for judging Russia after Yeltsin. Every domestic and foreign policy, adopted during the Putin years 2000 – 2014, has been judged by Washington according to whether it conformed or deviated from the Yeltsin decade of unchallenged pillage and manipulation.

The Putin Era: State and Economic Reconstruction and EU-US Belligerence


President Putin’s first and foremost task was to end Russia’s collapse into nothingness. Over time, the state and economy recovered some semblance of order and legality. The economy began to recover and grow; employment, wages and living standards, and mortality rates improved. Trade, investment and financial transactions with the West were normalized – unadulterated pillage was prosecuted. Russia’s recovery was viewed by the West with ambiguity: Many legitimate business people and MNCs welcomed the re-establishment of law and order and the end of gangsterism; in contrast, policymakers in Washington and Brussels as well as the vulture capitalists of Wall Street and the City of London quickly condemned what they termed Putin’s ‘rising authoritarianism’ and ‘statism’, as Russian authorities began to investigate the oligarchs for tax evasion, large-scale money laundering, the corruption of public officials and even murder.

Putin’s rise to power coincided with the world-wide commodity boom. The spectacular rise in the price of Russian oil and gas and metals (2003-2013) allowed the Russian economy to grow at a rapid rate while the Russian state increased its regulation of the economy and began to restore its military. Putin’s success in ending the most egregious forms of pillage of the Russian economy and re-establishing Russian sovereignty made him popular with the electorate: he was repeatedly re-elected by a robust majority. As Russia distanced itself from the quasi-satellite policies, personnel and practices of the Yeltsin years, the US and EU launched a multi-prong hostile political strategy designed to undermine President Putin and restore pliant Yeltsin-like neo-liberal clones to power. Russian NGOs funded by US foundations and acting as CIA fronts, organized mass protests targeting the elected officials. Western-backed ultra-liberal political parties competed unsuccessfully for national and local offices. The US-funded Carnegie Center, a notorious propaganda mill, churned out virulent tracts purporting to describe Putin’s demonic ‘authoritarian’ policies, his ‘persecution’ of dissident oligarchs and his ‘return’ to a ‘Soviet style command economy’.

saddamhangedWhile the West sought to restore the ‘Golden Age of Pillage’ via internal political surrogates, it pursued an aggressive foreign policy designed to eliminate Russian allies and trading partners, especially in the Middle East.

The US invaded Iraq, murdered Saddam Hussein and the Baath Party leadership, and established a sectarian puppet regime, eliminating Moscow’s key secular-nationalist ally in the region.

The US decreed sanctions on Iran, a major lucrative trading partner with Russia. The US and the EU backed a large-scale armed insurgency to overthrow President Bashaar Assad in Syria, another Russian ally, and to deprive the Russian Navy of a friendly port on the Mediterranean. The US and the EU bombed Libya, a major oil and trade partner of Russia (and China) hoping to install a pro-Western client regime.

Goading Russia in the Caucasus and on the Black Sea, the US backed-Georgian regime invaded a Russian protectorate, South Ossetia, in 2008, killing scores of Russian peace keepers and hundreds of civilians, but was repelled by a furious Russian counter-attack.

Kerry in Kiev
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In 2014, the Western offensive to isolate, encircle and eventually undermine any possibility of an independent Russian state went into high gear. The US financed a civil-military coup ousting the elected regime of President Viktor Yanukovytch, who had opposed EU annexation and NATO affiliation. Washington imposed a puppet regime deeply hostile to Russia and ethnic Russian-Ukrainian citizens in the southeast and Crimea.

Russian opposition to the coup and support for pro-democracy federalists in the south-east and Crimea served as a pretext for Western sanctions in an effort to undermine Russia’s oil, banking and manufacturing sectors and to cripple its economy.

Imperial strategists in Washington and Brussels broke all previous agreements with the Putin Administration and tried to turn Putin’s oligarch allies against the Russian president by threatening their holdings in the West (especially laundered bank accounts and properties). Russian state oil companies, engaged in joint ventures with Chevron, Exxon, and Total, were suddenly cut off from Western capital markets.

The cumulative impact of this decade-long Western offensive culminating in the current wave of severe sanctions was to provoke a recession in Russia, to undermine the currency (the ruble declined 23% in 2014), drive up the cost of imports and hurt local consumers. Russian industries, dependent on foreign equipment and parts, as well as oil companies dependent on imported technology for exploiting the Arctic reserves were made to feel the pain of ‘Putin’s intransigence’.

Despite the short-term successes of the US-EU war against the Russian economy, the Putin Administration has remained extremely popular among the Russian electorate, with approval ratings exceeding 80%. This has relegated Putin’s pro-Western opposition to the dust bin of history. Nevertheless the Western sanctions policy and the aggressive political – NATO military encirclement of Russia, has exposed the vulnerabilities of Moscow.
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While writing on this post, I began to think about the actions that the Maidan events have generated, a mere revolution which led to the dissolution or evolution and of what existed as Ukraine. And what about the meaning of "Maidan". It turns out to be a very interesting word, an old word, which appears in some form in many different languages:
_http://www.thefreedictionary.com/maidan said:
maidan (mæˈdɑːn) n 1. (Human Geography) (in Pakistan, India, etc) an open space used for meetings, sports, etc [Urdu, from Arabic]
See also
_https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/maidan said:
From Persian میدان (meydân, “town-square or central place of gathering”) (compare Arabic ميدان (maydān)), from Middle Persian mēd (“middle, center”), ultimately from Proto-Indo-European *médʰyos. Compare Avestan (maiδya), Sanskrit मध्य (madhya), Latin medius.
 
This is relating to the role of Poland in what has happened in Ukraine, the conclusion is that Poland has become part of the problem and the arguments are quite convincing, even though somebody else may be involved in prepping the Polish.
_http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/11/29/polish-colonialism-and-ukraine-neo-nazism.html said:
Polish Colonialism and Ukraine’s Neo-Nazism
Nikolai MALISHEVSKI | 29.11.2014 | 00:15
Speaking in parliament recently Leszek Miller, former Poland’s Prime Minister and head of Democratic Left Alliance, said about the Russia-Ukraine relations «Poland has become rather a problem than a solution». The remark did not go unnoticed and he came under harsh criticism from media.

Some voiced concern over the possibility that such statements could provoke «radical changes» and prompt Europe to look at the east «through the eyes of Orban, Berlusconi and Miller». Nevertheless nobody denied the fact that the Poland’s stance on Ukraine is one of factors to spur the conflict. It’s obvious.

Since the very first days of Maidan protests Poland has applied a lot of effort to turn Ukraine into a European problem. And it has closely cooperated with the United States.

According to Alexander Yakimenko, the former head of Ukraine’s Security Service operative, «All the orders were given either by the US embassy or by Jan Tombinski, a Polish representative who worked in the EU mission in Kiev. Poland played an invaluable role in the coup. It has always dreamt of restoring its former power and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth».

In September 2012 Kiev welcomed the appointment of Jan Tombinski as head of the Delegation of the European Union to Ukraine. According to Polish media, as soon as Mr. Tombinski took office, the EU office turned into the headquarters of the extremists who overthrew the legal authorities and actually sparked a civil war in the country.

As soon as Ukraine was set on fire some compatriots of Tombinski joined his efforts, like, for instance, Andrzej Derlatka, former chief of the Polish Intelligence Agency, who has been responsible for interaction with the US Central Intelligence Agency. He had to resign as a result of scandal related to CIA’s secret prisons operating on Polish soil. Derlatka held talks with President Poroshenko about the activities of Polish secret services in Ukraine including the protection of top NATO officials (the US delegated this responsibility to Poland). Jeffrey Egan и Raymond Mark Davidson, former and current heads of CIA station in Kiev, acted as intermediaries at the talks. Since the very start Polish and American secret services preferred to cooperate with retired veterans instead of officers on active service, many of whom had dubious reputations or intelligence identities revealed. Here is a good example. Jerzy Dziewulski, the security advisor to former Polish President Aleksander Kwasniewski, worked as a security guard to protect Ukrainian former acting President Turchinov, whom he accompanied during the trips to the Donbass after the civil war started.

According to Polish experts, the Ukraine’s high standing officials befriended Polish politicians a long time ago. For example, Ukraine’s tycoon Mykola Zlochevsky, ex-Minister of Ecology, and former President of Poland Aleksander Kwasniewski are on the Board of Directors of Burisma Holdings (the company has a lot of interest in a potential shale gas exploration in the east of Ukraine).

In October Petro Poroshenko met Eva Kovacs, the Poland's new Prime Minister, to discuss ‘strategic partnership». The next day Polish Foreign Minister Grzegorz Shetina compared the relationship of Warsaw and Kiev with the relations between European countries and their colonies in Africa.

He elaborated on his statement on November 6, «Talking about Ukraine without Poland - the same as that discussing the case of Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, and Morocco without Italy, France and Spain». It sounded defiantly enough to evoke concern in Kiev but Ukraine’s officials had no guts to send a note to Warsaw. The Ukrainian media raised ballyhoo about it but emphasized that not all Polish outlets shared the opinion of Polish Foreign Minister.

Popular Rzeczpospolita published the article titled Ukraine as Polish Colony. Schetyna’s Words Arouse Indignation. It cited the opinion of Ukrainian expert, «If the Polish foreign minister said this, it should be his last thing he says in this capacity», said Vasyl Filipchuk, former Ukrainian diplomat and currently Chairman of the ICPS (International Centre for Policy Studies) Board. But nobody paid attention to his words.

Meanwhile Ukraine’s officials are going through training in Poland to enhance their professional skills for doing a better job while serving in the «colonial administration», as Grzegorz Shetina would call it. According to Jakub Korejba, a Polish researcher, the National School of Public Administration in Warsaw is responsible for the process. It was created with the help of French specialists patterned after the National School of Administration (The École nationale d'administration –ENA) in Paris. Jacek Czaputowicz, the former director the school, has been a militant of the Solidarity radical wing and Director at the Department of Foreign Policy Strategy and Planning at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Jan Pastwa, the School’s current director, has served as Polish Ambassador to the Czech Republic. The both men are ardent supporters of the concept aimed at containment of Russia in Europe. Pastwa is a member of radical extremist group ZHR (the Scouting Association of the Republic, Polish: Związek Harcerstwa Rzeczypospolitej -ZHR) which proclaims the return of Western Belarus and Ukraine to Poland as its foreign policy goals.

Leszek Miller is right. Poland has become part of big problem.
 
I should just like to mention that there are more well research articles by Nikolai MALISHEVSKI about the present role of Poland in regard to Ukraine and about the history of Poland in relation to Russia and the Ukraine: _http://www.strategic-culture.org/authors/nikolai-malishevski.html To give you an idea, below are links to most recent ones:

_http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/11/30/tuchola-polish-death-camp-for-russians.html
_http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/11/29/polish-colonialism-and-ukraine-neo-nazism.html posted above
_http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/10/19/russian-victims-of-polish-concentration-camps.html
_http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/10/15/polish-chasteners-in-ukraine.html
_http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/09/04/poland-victim-of-colonial-ambitions.html
_http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/05/28/what-are-polish-death-squads-fighting-for-in-ukraine.html

While on the page of Strategic-Culture, I also found a Column by Dmitriy SEDOV, where he imagines, with a mix of humour and seriousness that he is Otto von Bismarck writing some advice from his grave to the "Bundeskanzlerin" regarding mainly her politics.
_http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/12/01/otto-von-bismarck-epistle-angela-merkel.html I tried to verify some of the quotes, but found only two, so far of which one was
The secret of politics? Make a good treaty with Russia.
_http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/o/otto_von_bismarck.html#IzwkU8iJC8KOe0ES.99
 
Some young people take up arms, I guess on both sides. Found an interview which I put into Yandex translation and got a little garbled, but still more or less readable. The girl in the picture blew up a Ukrainian army tank and got herself killed in the process. She died quickly. She did not suffer torture, rape or abuse like hundreds of women have been found dead with marks of .... or gone missing. She did not suffer that fate. Here is the interview with the boy who is 16 years old:
_http://od-novorossia.livejournal.com/92878.html said:
Unequal battle
"What happened then? Tell us about your second fight.

- Our second, and last battle occurred on the day of the attack Ukrainian troops in Lisichansk. We did not understand the situation, did not know that the Ghost was gone from the city. And we stayed in the city. Then tried to step back and collided with the Ukrainian army. On we walked Ukrainian tanks and we joined the battle. Killed a lot of guys. Lost the girl with the Callsign "Beauty", she was 16 years old. She threw herself under the tank with three grenades.
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Callsign Beauty, died destroying the tank SCU
What pushed her to such an act, what do you think?
- Can't say exactly, I don't know. I can only say that the only family she had was my father. And her father was in the militia and was killed on the front line. After that she came into our battalion. I was not familiar with it personally, I only know that she came to us two weeks before the fight. Callsign gave her "Beauty". She was a very pretty girl.
As killing the other girls? Why not run away?
They did not try to escape. We retreated and was also shot. But with guns against tanks and APCS... We were covered with grads and mortars. Someone was lucky, someone with no luck.
- Can you tell us more about the progress of the battle, the events as they unfolded?
He was unequal. And killed almost everything. Me.. it's hard to talk about it now. I remember... And can't. My eyes... was killed comrades.
"How did you manage to survive?
I don't know. I received shrapnel wounds. I don't remember how I got to Alchevsk, riding his motorcycle, then it stalled. Further we walked. In Alchevsk no one knew about what happened. It is not strange for me, as I worked there, I learned. I came to the dormitory where he lived before.
We covered "Grads". A lot... a Lot of guys were killed. A lot. We had 58 people, including 9 girls survived and reached the Alchevsk units. Weapons were not enough for everyone. The TT pistols, AK, two flies, RPG and sniper SVD and F1 grenades, anti-personnel grenades... the Battle was at the roadblock GAI, away from Lisichansk, the White mountains. There is a road in the direction of Stakhanov. We had a motorcycle with a sidecar and one machine - "penny". Against us was 10 tanks, rear BMP... How many were there, I didn't, but a lot...
Grady stood a little further, machine - forty trunks. They saw who retreats... What are adolescents. But they were going to kill. They saw us and immediately began to mercilessly destroy, surrender is not offered. As far as I know, it was a battalion of Donbass". Dying, the boys screamed in pain. We did not hold the position, we were just trying to retreat, to go for the Brain. But we were very late.
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After these events, our battalion was disbanded. Someone went to Lugansk, Donetsk, someone in Russia. Need to learn. I stayed in Phantom. I'm 16, I minors brigade "Ghost" can't take responsibility for me. So I don't take part in the fighting on the frontline and are engaged in humanitarian aid. Those who went to Donetsk, continue to participate in hostilities. However, the contacts I'm lost.
- How many people survived?
- 18, including me. Four of them are girls.
- Can you remember the names and callsigns fallen comrades, their exploits?
- Vadim Vlasenko. Can say, the hero posthumously. Hit with RPG direct fire on the tank. He was shot by the Ukrainian infantry, received a bullet from a machine. Even the guys... we had such a good guy, his name was Kostya... Wait... second. (breathes heavily). Very bold was a guy. Went against tanks and APCS with a gun and a grenade. Got a bullet in his head. We had no armor... Nothing.
- Do you have any followers?
"Yes, I heard, seventeen-year-old guys from the "Vostok" battalion, detachment Motorola fights seventeen year old girl, in Donetsk is fifteen-year-old commander of the training squadron, Andrew.
"I heard that students of your battalion captured. How was it?
- After the battle of Lisichansk two weeks passed. And three of my friend went to investigate. It was a sabotage group, their task was to destroy the warehouse with guns. They came to the warehouse, gave a tip, but failed to destroy it. They were taken into captivity. Three hours later I learned that they were executed.
- How did you know it?
I called peaceful inhabitant, an elderly woman. She reported that in the village of Maloryazantsevo, under the Lisichansk, shot three sixteen-year-old boys.
 
Considering what I have posted in a couple of the recent posts about the role Poland has played with regard to the events in Ukraine, the following is interesting
_http://en.ukraina.ru/news/20141201/1011335535.html said:
EU seriously considers Yugoslavian "division" scenario for Ukraine
TVP Polonia, an international channel, part of Poland’s Telewizja Polska public broadcasting corporation, showed a political and analytical program showing a map of a possible division scenario for Ukraine Polish analysts said that only a division would “end the suffering” of the people in the regions marked on the map.
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They said the Chernivtsi region should be part of Romania, while Novorossiya in its original borders should become part of Russia. This would include the Luhansk, Donetsk, Odessa, Mykolaiv, Dnipropetrovsk, Kharkiv, Zaporizhia and Kherson regions. Poland would receive five Ukrainian regions: the Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk, Zakarpattia, Volyn and Ternopil regions.

Ukraine would retain seven regions: the Zhytomyr, Vinnytsia, Kirоvohrad, Chernihiv, Poltava and Sumy regions. The analysts emphasized that this division fully corresponded to the interests of people in these regions and that "now they are suffering." Ukrainian political expert Konstantyn Bondarenko, upon his trip to the EU, also came (_http://ruposters.ru/archives/10282) to the conclusion that dividing Ukraine was inevitable and soon it would repeat the fate of Yugoslavia.
Regarding Yugoslavia, if someone has not watched this documentary, "The Weight of Chains" by Boris Malagurski is informative _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waEYQ46gH08 because it also gives a certain perspective on what is happening in Ukraine.

Regarding the map, it is very close to what was proposed in the Spring, right after the Maidan coup. Posts were made about this earlier in this thread, way back.
 
In this post, I mainly discuss the lack of evidence for some statements that was in a previous post.
thorbiorn said:
Yesterday I mentioned that Poroshenko or people on the Ukrainian side is suspected of doing deals across the frontline. Today I found this which shows once again how blurred the lines can be:
_http://fortruss.blogspot.dk/2014/11/the-lost-lessons-of-forgotten-civil-war.html?spref=fb said:
Excerpt from kp.ru interview with Igor Chubais, the author of "The Russian Idea"
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But this civil war ended not in the 1945. It ended in the mid 1950's. Because the partisan movement continued after the departure of the Germans. I will say more. Well known to all of us Ernesto Che Guevara really was in constant correspondence with Stepan Bandera, the leader of Ukrainian nationalists and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army. Che Guevara studied the experience of the partisan movement. And he knew that even the Army Kraiova, the most powerful Polish formation, which fought in Poland after the war lasted only 2 years. Chekisty destroyed the Army Kraiova, it was gone.

In the Baltic States the "forest brothers" lasted 2 years, and they were no more. But the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) operated for 10 years. And the troops of NKVD, the KGB could do nothing about it. Stepan Bandera was very respected by Che Guevara, they entered into a correspondence. Fidel Castro together with Che Guevara and his friends landed in Cuba in December 1956. He was coming from Mexico on his schooner to Cuba. Bandera was invited to this schooner, but he could not make it because it was difficult to cross all the borders. Bandera was constantly in correspondence. Che Guevara said that he would never have taken the garrison of Santa Clara (this is one of the major Cuban cities). He attacked with a small group and took the city of Santa Clara. And Stepan Bandera, together with his commanders in Germany planned this operation and advised Che Guevara on the plan of action. Fidel Castro said that without the help of the Ukrainian insurgents they couldn't go past Sierra Maestra.

When Cuban revolutionaries entered Havana, Che Guevara proposed to make the Ukrainian language the second official language of Cuba. He invited Bandera to Cuba. And this is why in 1959 our agent killed Bandera in Munich, because Khrushchev understood that Cuba could go in the wrong direction.

This relates to our history, guerrilla movements and contradictions, which are still not analyzed and conclusions are not made.

Translated by Kristina Rus
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There has been some discussions about the source for the assertions about a correspondence and cooperation between Che and Bandera. Some think it is a fiction, as is evident from the comments _https://www.facebook.com/kristinarossia/posts/10203532964108992 others think war and conflict is not white and black, but often grey and murkey. The following article is not evidence, but it does try to distinguish between the man and the myth: _http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/michael-j-totten/truth-about-che-guevara The myth of Che is probably greater and more benign than Che the man. Some of the present or past leaders in Novorossia probably have similar issues. Fx there is Strelkov the man as he is, and there is the idea of Strelkov that people have in their minds.

Anyhow I tried to look up Che Guevara and Stephan Bandera, and in English it does not give any up front hits other than the recent discussion including the post I made. To dig deeper, I tried to type Che Guevara and Stphan Bandera into _translit.net and used the Yandexru search engine which returned, even with my slightly faulty spelling many more. If you wish to try for your self, enter "Че Гевара Степан Бандера" and see what happens.

On this site _http://antifashist.com/time-line/210-gevara-i-bandera-pravda-i-vymysly.html I found a discussion which is backed up by reference to a number of historical records.
_http://antifashist.com/time-line/210-gevara-i-bandera-pravda-i-vymysly.html said:
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3. Anderson, Jon Lee (1997). Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life. New York: Grove Press. ISBN 0-8021-1600-0.

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9. Idem.: 203-215

10. Anderson:45-46

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28. Castro, Juanita; as told to Maria Antonieta Collins (2009). Fidel y Raul - Mis Hermanos, La Historia Secreta. Santillana USA Publishing Company, Inc.. ISBN 978-1-60396-701-3.

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30. Casta?eda, Jorge G. (1997). Compa?ero: vida y muerte del Che Guevara, Buenos Aires: Espasa. ISBN 950-852-125-2.

31. Richard J. Aldrich, The Hidden Hand: Britain, America and Cold War Secret Intelligence, Duckworth 2006.

32. John Armstrong (1963). Ukrainian Nationalism. New York: Columbia University Press

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34. Hart, Joseph (2004). Che: The Life, Death, and Afterlife of a Revolutionary. New York: Thunder's Mouth Press. ISBN 1-56025-519-6.

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Подробнее: http://antifashist.com/time-line/210-gevara-i-bandera-pravda-i-vymysly.html#ixzz3KeK19k9w
The short of the long is, that what is claimed by the Russian historian does not seem to be all wrong. There apparently was some kind of correspondence and also some kind of cooperation. For a rough semi accurate translation one can try a machine, but really it is beyond the subject, although it is claimed that some Ukrainian nationalists have tried to capitalize on it.

I should like to conclude this post by recommending this article http://www.sott.net/article/289655-Interview-with-Dmitry-Orlov-Russias-patience-is-wearing-thi
Dmitry Orlov: Well, basically, the EU is just to rubber stamp for Washington. All of their politicians kind of like get a nice golden parachute when they retire, from Washington. And that's why they toe Washington's line. They're not really independent thinkers at all. And the periphery states, like Hungary or even Serbia, they know pretty well that they're going to be dealing with an Orange Revolution of their own if they don't do what Washington's ambassador tells them to do.
Some may get money, I am not sure they all get a golden parachute, a few are probabely satisfied with being put into places of power, like Anders Fogh Rasmussen who warmed up for the war in Iraque and then was rewarded with the job of being General Secretary of NATO. Others, like some Polish polticians, do what they are told, but curse behind the door as documented in _http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/07/01/polish-watergate-hits-radar-screen.html Then there may be those cases where some incriminating evidence is held as security in order that the puppets can be black mailed to toe the line if needed. This state of affairs is sad for Europe and at the moment tragic for Ukraine.
 
on the night of the 1st of December exactly at midnight, 00:00, Ukrainian troops shelled from "Grad" another residential district of Donetsk, in this time the Tekstilshchiki district. they staged an economic blockade, and now, when the outside temperature - minus 10 degrees in the morning, those bastards are destroying even that tiny heating, which is available to residents. Broken glass and punched roofs of houses, broken electrical transformers and power substations. on video near the houses there is a school and a kindergarten. junta intention to produce these attacks, despite the so-called demarcation and the presence of the blind "observers" of the OSCE, which do not see a damn thing, or rather, see everything, but never talk about it.

 

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on the night of the 1st of December exactly at midnight, 00:00, Ukrainian troops shelled from "Grad" another residential district of Donetsk, in this time the Tekstilshchiki district. they staged an economic blockade, and now, when the outside temperature - minus 10 degrees in the morning, those bastards are destroying even that tiny heating, which is available to residents. Broken glass and punched roofs of houses, broken electrical transformers and power substations. on video near the houses there is a school and a kindergarten. junta intention to produce these attacks, despite the so-called demarcation and the presence of the blind "observers" of the OSCE, which do not see a damn thing, or rather, see everything, but never talk about it.

I have no words to describe my feelings about this mightmare. :(

The reporter is Anatoly Shariy. He was born and raised in Kiev by the way. He had "problems with the law" many times in the past because of his articles exposing pedophilia, drugs and gambling crimes in the Ukraine. There was an assassination attempt against him. Since he started exposing junta's lies about the "ATO," he had to flee abroad. At the moment he is in the Netherlands, the Dutch tried to extradict him to the Ukraine once already, but failed to do so. There is an interesting interview with him in Russian I hate Ukraine as a state, but I love the country.
 
Siberia said:
The reporter is Anatoly Shariy. He was born and raised in Kiev by the way. He had "problems with the law" many times in the past because of his articles exposing pedophilia, drugs and gambling crimes in the Ukraine. There was an assassination attempt against him. Since he started exposing junta's lies about the "ATO," he had to flee abroad. At the moment he is in the Netherlands, the Dutch tried to extradict him to the Ukraine once already, but failed to do so. There is an interesting interview with him in Russian I hate Ukraine as a state, but I love the country.

I read his biography on Wikipedia. now he is hooked his girlfriend, who also wrote articles exposing the junta
 
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