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Laura said:
I've been wondering about the MSM covering the TSA scanners so suddenly. The public's anger is being channelled that's for sure....
What with the facebook group that seems to be proposing Israeli style checkpoints and what little I know about the Tea Party, I wonder if their is not an engineered/choreographed 'violent' revolution on the cards for America...with the goal of 'voting in' the 'new boss' (Sarah Palin?)
What better way to get any potential uncontrolled (by the PTB) revolution out of everyone's system than to have a staged managed 'revolution'?
All we need is them to crank up the anger/HAARP, crank up the retoric, crank up the 'lock down on civil liberties' (i.e. makes everyone's life hell), then have their planet organisation (Tea Party etc), run by their mouth pieces to corral this building public anger right into the publics own trap.
Do what Nazi Germany did (Strong leader, jobs for all building roads etc) and their you go, one fully open totalitarian regime 'voted for' by 'public revolution'....and you can bet the public will 'love them' for it.
Perhaps I'm missing large chunks of data in what history tells us about this.....but that's what I'm starting to think this 'channelling' of public anger may be for.
A stage managed/panted 'tipping point' for a stage managed/planet 'revolution'.
Given the way the weather is headed, and the number of reported cometary explosions going through the roof (pun intended), all we need is a 'natural disaster' and/or some sort of civil 'lock down' not blamed on terrorists to start this 'revolution'. :(
WhiteBear
Jedi Master
RedFox said:
Or even a not-so-natural disaster...the FBI probe into insider trading comes to mind. It didn't take much to tip the Irish protesters into assaulting their Parliament building. Something similar in the US, say a massive assault on hedge fund companies impacting people's 401(k)'s followed up by some government-induced "austerity measures" of our own could be just what it takes here in the US.
Divide by Zero
The Living Force
RedFox said:
That does make a lot of sense with the current events. Why else would they allow Geraldo on Fox News to talk about WTC 7, or Gerald Celente to expose Chertoff's links to the body scanners??!?
Divide By Zero said:
Then again, the pathocrats are arrogant and good at wishful thinking, so they may be betting for a manageable revolution that will result in more control, but when people find themselves hungry and in despair, psychopaths may start seeing their own 'heads falling', so to speak. Shooting themselves in the foot. With the tragic bloodbath for the people it implies.
I thought that the major piece for a tipping point could be the move by the Federal Reserve to create inflation by printing more money. Food prices are already on the rise, so that may put the dominoes in motion. Plus all of the above.
Gonzo
The Living Force
What do you think about Cliff thinking that something balances the pathocratic influences in his data?
I originally thought this was his wishful thinking and I imagined the balance could occur in other dimensions or densities.
But the thought occurred to me that maybe we live in a world where everything does find a balance. And maybe the balancing occurs in qualitative forms, not quantitative. That is to say that although the STS extreme forces are many in number, their individual power is not as strong and the individuals who strive to break away from STS alignment and somehow it balances.
This line of thinking opens up new ideas for me on a tipping point. It doesn't have to be a tipping point of people growing frustrated with the PTB and slavery, it could occur in a critical mass of consciousness moving away from extreme STS.
Gonzo
I originally thought this was his wishful thinking and I imagined the balance could occur in other dimensions or densities.
But the thought occurred to me that maybe we live in a world where everything does find a balance. And maybe the balancing occurs in qualitative forms, not quantitative. That is to say that although the STS extreme forces are many in number, their individual power is not as strong and the individuals who strive to break away from STS alignment and somehow it balances.
This line of thinking opens up new ideas for me on a tipping point. It doesn't have to be a tipping point of people growing frustrated with the PTB and slavery, it could occur in a critical mass of consciousness moving away from extreme STS.
Gonzo
Iron said:
In Neurolinguistics there are also quite a few interesting studies on the subject. This is also something that I find very interesting. I started reading papers about it, but the impression I get is that none of the studies really prove much. Some of the things they study are, for example, the use of "I,me,mine" in psychopaths. They claim that psychopaths use them more often. But, IMO, a lot of self-centered people do that too, and it doesn't make them psychopaths. Also, they usually concentrate on just one aspect (Phonetics, Phonology, Syntaxis, etc.) and not on language as a whole, including body language.
There are some really interesting papers though, that study for example voice amplitude and frequencies, and have come up with some ideas of what could create that hypnotic effect that psychopaths have on people. I'll see if I can scan the papers and share them here.
What seems to be the case is that, although as far as I know, it hasn't been studied in depth yet, there could well be a real difference in psychopathic language. It is knows that language differences among different cultures reflect on the way different people view the world many times, so we can suspect that since psychopaths view the world differently from normal human beings, they may have a totally different language, at least in terms of its semantics.
Lots to discover in this area!
shijing
The Living Force
Laura said:
Ailén said:
I ran across these tonight -- you may already have them, but just in case (the first one in particular looks good):
Acoustic Distinctions in the Speech of Male Psychopaths
Louth, Shirley M.
Journal of Psycholinguistic Research, 1998 May; 27 (3): 375-84.
The Language of the Psychopath
Rieber, R W; Vetter, Harold
Journal of Psycholinguistic Research, 1994, 23, 1, Jan, 1-28
Shijing said:
Thanks Shijing. Yeah, those two articles were some of the ones I was referring to, actually. They are really interesting.
SOTT just published an excellent video on a study made on the psychopath's brain: Intraspecies Predator: How A Psychopath Sees The World. Quoting the intro to the video: "Words like "murder, rape and death", provoke NO reaction in the mind/brain of a psychopath. They respond 'in a very superficial manner' to concepts that cause an emotional and distressing reaction in normal people. "
Hare makes an interesting remark about this difference in semantics between psychopaths and normal people. He says that maybe it's not just that psychopaths are incapable of deep semantic processing, but also of any other deep processing. Just thinking about other deep processing types in language, maybe this could explain at least partially why so many psychopaths make so many grammar mistakes (no deep structural/logical analysis), for example.
They also lack to ability to feel normal emotions when looking at pictures of violence, rape, etc, or when hearing people scream, cry, etc. Or from facial expressions or people's tone of voice. So it must influence the way they process language in each ones of its aspects, right? That is, visually, auditorily, etc. Hmmm... Perhaps it's as simple as them not being able to connect any type of stimulus with emotions. But then, how are they capable of imitating emotions in language so well? Just pure strategic thinking, as in "If I use this or that word, or if I speak in this or that way, I get this or that reaction..."? And how would that show on an MRI?
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[quote author=Shijing] These findings are consistent with the developing view that psychopaths are insensitive to the emotional connotations of language. [/quote]
[quote author=Ailén]
SOTT just published an excellent video on a study made on the psychopath's brain: Intraspecies Predator: How A Psychopath Sees The World. Quoting the intro to the video: "Words like "murder, rape and death", provoke NO reaction in the mind/brain of a psychopath. They respond 'in a very superficial manner' to concepts that cause an emotional and distressing reaction in normal people. "
Hare makes an interesting remark about this difference in semantics between psychopaths and normal people. He says that maybe it's not just that psychopaths are incapable of deep semantic processing, but also of any other deep processing. Just thinking about other deep processing types in language, maybe this could explain at least partially why so many psychopaths make so many grammar mistakes (no deep structural/logical analysis), for example.
They also lack to ability to feel normal emotions when looking at pictures of violence, rape, etc, or when hearing people scream, cry, etc. Or from facial expressions or people's tone of voice. So it must influence the way they process language in each ones of its aspects, right? That is, visually, auditorily, etc. Hmmm... Perhaps it's as simple as them not being able to connect any type of stimulus with emotions. But then, how are they capable of imitating emotions in language so well? Just pure strategic thinking, as in "If I use this or that word, or if I speak in this or that way, I get this or that reaction..."? And how would that show on an MRI?[/quote]
Thanks Shijing and Ailén,
Of the video, watched this, too, and was stunned at the picture of the seemingly centralized transmission and processing of stimulus. Not sure, but it seems that words, ideas, emotions get centralized in an area with a type of on/off switch; it either is or is not activated, and these things are not shared in other areas where processing/introspection are measured.
Your questions in bold are indeed interesting ; also, how does one think about politicians, control figures, CEO’s being charismatic, not quite but verbally aggressive; how are they able to convince or shut down peoples thinking – is it their status, and so they must be listened to as being right? Is it the perception that if one presents a differing picture then they are at risk of being put down, and so their thoughts cannot be added as being useful to consider – people in front of these types might become sort of paralyzed?
The MRI view seems to suggest that normal thinking consists of ideas, pictures emotions being deeply cross referenced in both frontal and right and left hemispheres; a balanced measure against a life of thinking, morality, learning, experiences – humanity. In the opposed view, the wiring is either not present, defective or not hooked up, and the thinking, although strategic, seems robotic to the centralized self – I like, I don’t like, I need, I don’t need, They can or they cannot, I will give them or I will not; black/white with no emotional feeling center - no measuring.
Looking for examples; say Netanyahu addresses or fisherman displaced by the PB disaster address a public Board (there was a video on Sott about this), these people have fixed ideas or designs and seem incapable of listening, although they seem to feign listening, as if it is one of those strategies. Their responses seem generally self-serving, cold, and full of error or misdirects. They also are seminally designed to make the others feel stupid for their feelings, intimidating their worldview with programmed words and are steadfast in their objectives. When presented with evidence, facts, whether 9/11, Gaza, Banks, environmental pollutants… their minds have the ability to concoct at any cost rationales that keeps them on their paths. Unfortunately, their toolbox used often seems to contain designed funded scientific divisions, belief systems, and a host of other bodyguards that give them their safe haven to align and hide behind.
Most of the studies detail known clinical identities such as criminals and do not measure persons undetected in the main, in positions of power. How do these persons operating at higher (business/political/military etc.) levels, if they are pathologically predisposed, interact with each other, and share the same thinking (unthinking). What kind of inner code recognition system creates the conditions where they would gravitate to each other? Perhaps, if designed conditions are created, then people with this wiring gravitate sort of magnetically to these positions of power; like attracts like?
Although not discussed here, as for Predatory nature, either in humans or animals, this might suggests something is either there to take or cannot be taken, and if not, how can it be cornered or conditioned and taken.
I'm reminded about the story of a biologist who while observing from the other side of a small river near Alaska, said he watched a family fishing and noted the child was on an embankment just out of the line of sight of the parents. He than noticed a black bear hunched down coming from the timber edge for the child. Before he could react, the parents came into the line of sight of the child and the bear, and the bear, upon noticing them, silently ran off. The family was never aware that this had taken place.
In this context, human predators react the same way when they come into the line of sight of people. They hide, lie, spin stories to redirect the view, to limit their exposure. Perhaps, when enough people put them into their lines of sight and recognize their nature for what it is, they will have nowhere to hide - people power!
[quote author=Ailén]
SOTT just published an excellent video on a study made on the psychopath's brain: Intraspecies Predator: How A Psychopath Sees The World. Quoting the intro to the video: "Words like "murder, rape and death", provoke NO reaction in the mind/brain of a psychopath. They respond 'in a very superficial manner' to concepts that cause an emotional and distressing reaction in normal people. "
Hare makes an interesting remark about this difference in semantics between psychopaths and normal people. He says that maybe it's not just that psychopaths are incapable of deep semantic processing, but also of any other deep processing. Just thinking about other deep processing types in language, maybe this could explain at least partially why so many psychopaths make so many grammar mistakes (no deep structural/logical analysis), for example.
They also lack to ability to feel normal emotions when looking at pictures of violence, rape, etc, or when hearing people scream, cry, etc. Or from facial expressions or people's tone of voice. So it must influence the way they process language in each ones of its aspects, right? That is, visually, auditorily, etc. Hmmm... Perhaps it's as simple as them not being able to connect any type of stimulus with emotions. But then, how are they capable of imitating emotions in language so well? Just pure strategic thinking, as in "If I use this or that word, or if I speak in this or that way, I get this or that reaction..."? And how would that show on an MRI?[/quote]
Thanks Shijing and Ailén,
Of the video, watched this, too, and was stunned at the picture of the seemingly centralized transmission and processing of stimulus. Not sure, but it seems that words, ideas, emotions get centralized in an area with a type of on/off switch; it either is or is not activated, and these things are not shared in other areas where processing/introspection are measured.
Your questions in bold are indeed interesting ; also, how does one think about politicians, control figures, CEO’s being charismatic, not quite but verbally aggressive; how are they able to convince or shut down peoples thinking – is it their status, and so they must be listened to as being right? Is it the perception that if one presents a differing picture then they are at risk of being put down, and so their thoughts cannot be added as being useful to consider – people in front of these types might become sort of paralyzed?
The MRI view seems to suggest that normal thinking consists of ideas, pictures emotions being deeply cross referenced in both frontal and right and left hemispheres; a balanced measure against a life of thinking, morality, learning, experiences – humanity. In the opposed view, the wiring is either not present, defective or not hooked up, and the thinking, although strategic, seems robotic to the centralized self – I like, I don’t like, I need, I don’t need, They can or they cannot, I will give them or I will not; black/white with no emotional feeling center - no measuring.
Looking for examples; say Netanyahu addresses or fisherman displaced by the PB disaster address a public Board (there was a video on Sott about this), these people have fixed ideas or designs and seem incapable of listening, although they seem to feign listening, as if it is one of those strategies. Their responses seem generally self-serving, cold, and full of error or misdirects. They also are seminally designed to make the others feel stupid for their feelings, intimidating their worldview with programmed words and are steadfast in their objectives. When presented with evidence, facts, whether 9/11, Gaza, Banks, environmental pollutants… their minds have the ability to concoct at any cost rationales that keeps them on their paths. Unfortunately, their toolbox used often seems to contain designed funded scientific divisions, belief systems, and a host of other bodyguards that give them their safe haven to align and hide behind.
Most of the studies detail known clinical identities such as criminals and do not measure persons undetected in the main, in positions of power. How do these persons operating at higher (business/political/military etc.) levels, if they are pathologically predisposed, interact with each other, and share the same thinking (unthinking). What kind of inner code recognition system creates the conditions where they would gravitate to each other? Perhaps, if designed conditions are created, then people with this wiring gravitate sort of magnetically to these positions of power; like attracts like?
Although not discussed here, as for Predatory nature, either in humans or animals, this might suggests something is either there to take or cannot be taken, and if not, how can it be cornered or conditioned and taken.
I'm reminded about the story of a biologist who while observing from the other side of a small river near Alaska, said he watched a family fishing and noted the child was on an embankment just out of the line of sight of the parents. He than noticed a black bear hunched down coming from the timber edge for the child. Before he could react, the parents came into the line of sight of the child and the bear, and the bear, upon noticing them, silently ran off. The family was never aware that this had taken place.
In this context, human predators react the same way when they come into the line of sight of people. They hide, lie, spin stories to redirect the view, to limit their exposure. Perhaps, when enough people put them into their lines of sight and recognize their nature for what it is, they will have nowhere to hide - people power!
crazycharlie
Padawan Learner
Clif has said that the tipping point could be looked at like this.
A white picket fence seen from afar can be taken as one
white shining single piece. ( event ) yet close up are single pickets .
( that could change things together drastically. )
A white picket fence seen from afar can be taken as one
white shining single piece. ( event ) yet close up are single pickets .
( that could change things together drastically. )
