Clif High- halfpasthuman.com
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Seems to be what he he is saying, and I don't buy it for an instant. If Clif is saying that this is the new "Israeli Mistake," he is just further undermining the reputation of his work. Prior to August, Clif was absolutely dead-set on this Israeli war, it was a prominent theme in his reports and it was the centerpiece in his "tipping point." There was little or no mention of this Korean conflict in his reports and all of the sudden he pulls out this plan B hypothesis. While part of the statement may be true, much of the world has been absolutely opposed to another war in the Middle East as the Machiavellian dynamics there have become increasingly clear, and this human awareness may have altered the reality, it doesn't make him any more accurate. On the contrary, it is testament to the flawed nature of his methods since this Plan B was hardly mentioned in his reports at all. It sounds to me like he is going through all kinds of mental contortions to avoid acknowledging the fact that the premises on which he bases his interpretations are fundamentally unsound. I think his ego is injured and it is too emotionally painful for him to recognize that much of his energy was spent going in wrong directions. In addition, if he can convince some people that white is black, he can salvage some of his readership, which is probably about to start leaving him in droves. This latest release, taken with the piece I quoted relating to his predictions being right despite our expectations, is establishing a pattern of subtle twists and alterations to prove to the world that he is not wrong when it is becoming increasingly obvious to those of us watching the events unfold from the outside that he is.Nicholas said:
Then there is this little snippet I found interesting.
So he is getting ideas from Jay Weidner the alchemist on self initiation and overcoming the Reptillian brain? Oh brother, is this guy ever mixed up. It seems Clif has fallen into a convenient trap set by the Bridges/Weidner gang. Unable to discern the subtle differences between STS and STO, Clif is following something that "sounds good" but is leading him in a direction completely opposite to his aim. However, in Clif's vaunted worldview, STS/STO is bunk, so why should he care. You see how insidious these little beliefs that Clif has are? And that is only one example. The sad thing is, there are a lot of people who kind of look up to Clif, and he is proving more and more that he really doesn't have a clue when it comes to more esoteric matters. Due to his rather subjective view of things, he doesn't have the ability to survey the rather broad spectrum of probabilities that surround us. I don't claim to be any master, but based on my basic Cassiopaea education, it looks pretty obvious to me.Occam's Razor is Lizard S*** said:
Another thing I noticed in his Plan B release is that he has started to refer to the Powers That Be as the Powers That Were; as if they've already been defeated. It looks like he's falling into another New Age meme. Among the branches that recognize STS exists in the universe, they claim that all we have to do is survive the cataclysms and all will be hunky dory. While it may be possible that the PTB are reaching the height of their power right about now, there is nothing going on that is loosening their grip on the populace in any meaningful way, and as things start to slide downward, that grip is likely to tighten in their desperate bid for control. Add that to the statement about the "Reptoids are leaving" on Veritas, and the guy is starting to look more and more out of sync with reality. It's going to get ugly, and the game is far from over for the PTB.
While the Cassiopaeans may have been right that Clif was on to something, I think it is a pretty safe bet to say that Jay has succeeded in his mission and any practical benefit that may have come from Clif's work has been nullified. I still think it is too early to call Cliff's economic tipping point, as it appears to have a decent likelihood, and I'll give it until March, but this latest report seems to have miss after miss, and the fulfillment of any of his specific predictions becomes less likely by the day. While the general thrust of Clif's predictions will probably happen at some undetermined time, the hows and whys are fairly important, and I don't think Clif has the answers.
psychegram
The Living Force
Laura said:
I don't know if I'm willing to write him off quite so quickly. Is he onto something? YES, according to the C's. And he's had a middling-good record up until recently ... and even being off his game, speaking just for myself things have felt different recently. I don't think his tipping point was entirely off base. I do think the data was misinterpreted, however.
Now, at the same time, he's been compromised by the influence of a psychopath. Yeah, well, so is almost everyone on the planet, at one level or another. That means they can't be fully trusted and the same is true of Clif: his analysis is now suspect, because an agent of the control system is exploiting his human frailty to vector him into harmlessness.
I guess the question is, is there anything we can do for him?
The first thing that occurs to me is that he may not be aware of Jay Weidner's true nature. I spent the last few days poking around the forum and the Cassiopaea site, and while there's obviously a fair bit about Weidner I didn't find anything that lays out - succinctly, in one place - exactly why we suspect him of being both a psychopath and a control system disinfo agent. It might be useful for someone who's completely familiar with the evidence to put together a summary and direct it to Clif's attention, together with the message that, "Listen, obviously you're onto something here, you're kind of a threat to the power structure. Do you really think they wouldn't try and coopt or misdirect you?" If that doesn't work, well ... there's nothing else we can do, obviously. But having reviewed his last couple of missives I can't help but feel he must be experiencing at least a bit of cognitive dissonance. Perhaps as a result, he might be a bit more open now than he has been in the past.
Did you look here? http://www.cassiopaea.com/archive/wiley.htm The raw data is a 10-page archive which gives a lot of background on Jay and his association with Vincent Bridges, although most of the action occurs on the last page. Weidner's role in the VB fiasco is also mentioned in sessions 990925, 010810, 020120, 020226, 020504, and 020624. I don't know if Laura has posted all of these on the forum yet, but there is more information there as well as the Cassiopaeans' take on Jay Weidner.psychegram said:
It's a long and rather unexciting story, (I hate drama) but after reading it, I had a clearer picture than ever of how deeply in bed he is with COINTELPRO. The short version is that Jay Weidner came into contact with Laura claiming to be trying to attain the Great Work and acquire the Holy Grail, or ascension to 4D. Jay had been conned out of some money by VB and you should know that VB had co-opted Frank Scott to copyright the Transcripts under his name so he could steal Laura's work and sell it for profit. Now what's interesting is that VB's main purpose seems to be finding the Ark of the Covenant, so that STS forces can use it bring down untold evils upon the planet. Supposedly, it is an alien artifact that has all kinds of "mystical" properties which was hidden by STO forces so that the Reptoids could no longer abuse its powers for their various nefarious ends. Truth really is stranger than fiction. Anyway, both Laura and Jay had been wronged by VB and they kind of hit it off. What follows is a long exchange between them where Laura exposes VB's manipulations and connections with Satanism and apparently pedophilia, which has been deeply documented on the forum. Jay comes across as deeply shocked with his former friend's behavior and there is a long discussion on what to do with him. Laura and Jay eventually decide to launch legal proceedings against this cyber predator and expose his manipulative black magick once and for all. However, just as the government is getting hot and heavy on Vincent's tail and his material is in the process of being scrubbed, Jay has a sudden change of heart and tries to cut a deal between VB and Laura. He persuades VB to make some token gestures in exchange for Laura dropping all of the charges, taking down everything about VB, and making the whole thing go away. Laura refuses to comply and he then retaliates by making fun of Ark's English and accusing Laura of being an agent of darkness for refusing to accept the peaceful solution of burying VB's crimes and hoping he no longer tries to steal Laura's material; this after Laura gave him multiple opportunities to cease the flame war already and Jay sat through the whole thing, supposedly on Laura's side no less. Jay decides to defend a ritual magic, satanist disciple, after consciously admitting to and studying all of the details laid out by Laura. It seems that Jay suddenly changed his mind after VB agreed to pay him the $3000 dollars that he owed and they opened up a video company/spiritual school. The conclusion to Jay's involvement with Laura is documented here. http://www.cassiopaea.com/archive/maynerd-most-scam.htm He is still working with VB, despite trying to pressure Laura to remove his name and involvement with him. Does this sound like a COINTELPRO agent to you psychegram?
Of course, I am of the opinion that Jay never did have any reservations about VB, he was just playing the "nice guy" so that he could vacuum some information about Alchemy out of Laura, perhaps the location of the Ark, and perhaps "bring her around" so that Vincent could get information out of her and succeed in his mission and become rich. At any rate, the fact of the matter is none of the behavior displayed during the exchange with Jay Weidner is very becoming of one who claims to be a Traditional Alchemist attempting to complete the Great Work. A few years go by, and along comes this poor fool Clif High who buys the whole story hook, line, and sinker. The spooky thing is, all of the various purveyors of mystical wisdom a fairly dedicated might encounter, at least in North America, are all buddies and all play on the same team. Jay, Vincent, Dan Winter, Jeff Rense, you could extend it out to Jack Safrati and Art Bell, they are all one tight-knit little group, frequently traveling here and there, going to various conferences, citing each other's research, sometimes pretending to have severe disagreements, other times co-authoring the same reports, etc, etc. None of them teach anything to help anyone escape the Matrix in any meaningful way, yet someone with deep pockets must be standing behind all of these individuals to keep their books published, maintain their organizations, and allow them to travel to all of their various workshops and functions. For whatever reason, Clif is of interest to them and has been inducted into their little club. Now Jay sets him up with interviews on places like GLP and exposes him to all of the cool mysteries that have been researched by the club; research which, at the end of the day, is either incomplete or completely bogus. For awhile, money and notoriety flow in Clif's direction, he gives Jay rave reviews, and a whole fresh crowd of naive seekers are primed for the metaphysical meat grinder. Maybe if he can get his hands deeply enough into Clif's psyche, he can use halfpasthuman as another platform to discredit Laura's work.
I'm leaning towards no. Here's why.psychegram said:
He goes on to talk about GLP, but my opinion is that this statement is directed at certain members of the forum who tried to talk to him about things. Clif has his Aikido and his fancy high-tech webbot, and he thinks he more or less knows what's going on. While I'm sure Aikido has brought him a long way, it is no substitute for 4th Way material, and his obliviousness to hyperdimensional realities makes him an easy target. I mean, VB is pretty much a 4D STS walk-in and Cliff is gallivanting around with his #2 guy claiming he is a great alchemist and knows about all sorts of "ancient mysteries." Clif has made up his mind "he will do what he will do." And that is fine, perhaps Clif must be burned by the Bridges/Weidner gang in order to learn his lessons. And just maybe it will shake him hard enough to look at more esoteric topics in a less prejudicial manner. However, I think he is dancing closer to the fire than he realizes on this one. Perhaps this could turn out to be a good thing for Clif, but I think he has precious little time, and as soon as you think there is nothing the dark forces can throw at you that you don't already know about, you've already lost.failing said:
Mod's note: Edited to add the link for the sessions.
hithere said:
Trying to "help" those who are not asking for it, and in fact are specifically saying they don't want it, is STS by nature. Clif has been contacted by people on this forum before and refused to even look at evidence. This is not a person asking for help. Perhaps people should examine their own motivations for wanting to "help" him. Do you really want to help, or do you want to change what is?
Mr. Premise
The Living Force
Great summary of the situation, Neil, and the history behind it.
Sad to see another one biting the dust, as Laura put it, in real time right before our eyes, but it happens again and again.
Sad to see another one biting the dust, as Laura put it, in real time right before our eyes, but it happens again and again.
psychegram
The Living Force
Hi Neil,
Thank you! That was precisely what I was looking for. I'd come across the other pages (or some of them) in the past, but as I said, what was lacking was a concise summary. Which you have now provided.
I know Clif has already been contacted a few times, and been unreceptive. It had simply occurred to me that, in the interim, things might have changed.
However the point dugdeep makes about offering unasked-for help being an STS-motivated action is a good one and, to be honest, was already at the back of my mind >< But it's not easy seeing a great, original, powerful mind like Clif's being led over the edge. The closest thing I can liken it to is seeing a beloved relative spiraling into drug addiction ... of course you want to help, but they refuse to listen ("I don't have a problem!") and so all you can do is stand helplessly by and weep as they destroy themselves.
Thank you! That was precisely what I was looking for. I'd come across the other pages (or some of them) in the past, but as I said, what was lacking was a concise summary. Which you have now provided.
I know Clif has already been contacted a few times, and been unreceptive. It had simply occurred to me that, in the interim, things might have changed.
However the point dugdeep makes about offering unasked-for help being an STS-motivated action is a good one and, to be honest, was already at the back of my mind >< But it's not easy seeing a great, original, powerful mind like Clif's being led over the edge. The closest thing I can liken it to is seeing a beloved relative spiraling into drug addiction ... of course you want to help, but they refuse to listen ("I don't have a problem!") and so all you can do is stand helplessly by and weep as they destroy themselves.
Gonzo
The Living Force
I have been impressed with Cliff's initial concept and its execution from a computer programming perspective, not to mention the courage it took to break ground when he started. In fact, I could say I admired him.
But, as with everything else, such impressions require constant updating and revision and I find myself having to let go of my original awe of the Cliff of yesterday so that I can attempt an objective assessment of the Cliff today.
It is sad to consider that Cliff's current learning path might require him to get burned and suffer so that he gains knowledge and insight. He knows where to find whatever information his heart desires, including general information on agents of disinfo, ponerized society and mass manipulation as well as specific information regarding some people with whom he has crossed paths.
Whether he chooses to learn and through what manner remains to be seen and is obviously his choice to make.
This is a good example of the paradox presented by free will and respecting the individual right to be wrong (in the eyes of others), especially when the choices affect more than just that individual.
In this regard, I sometimes wonder at what point an individual's rights are superceded by the rights of the collective? Is there a legitimate time when violation the free will of another for the greater good of all actually balances out?
I can rationalize this but I cannot fathom the results in metaphysical terms in this density and dimension, let alone in other densities and dimensions.
This paradox makes me acutely aware how hard it is to discern the STO perspective when one is a product of an STS reality.
Gonzo
But, as with everything else, such impressions require constant updating and revision and I find myself having to let go of my original awe of the Cliff of yesterday so that I can attempt an objective assessment of the Cliff today.
It is sad to consider that Cliff's current learning path might require him to get burned and suffer so that he gains knowledge and insight. He knows where to find whatever information his heart desires, including general information on agents of disinfo, ponerized society and mass manipulation as well as specific information regarding some people with whom he has crossed paths.
Whether he chooses to learn and through what manner remains to be seen and is obviously his choice to make.
This is a good example of the paradox presented by free will and respecting the individual right to be wrong (in the eyes of others), especially when the choices affect more than just that individual.
In this regard, I sometimes wonder at what point an individual's rights are superceded by the rights of the collective? Is there a legitimate time when violation the free will of another for the greater good of all actually balances out?
I can rationalize this but I cannot fathom the results in metaphysical terms in this density and dimension, let alone in other densities and dimensions.
This paradox makes me acutely aware how hard it is to discern the STO perspective when one is a product of an STS reality.
Gonzo
Richs
The Cosmic Force
Gonzo said:
I think as individuals and also as a collective we have the right to act in favor of our own destiny. This might appear to be stepping on the toes of others 'free will' sometimes, but is probably more a matter of perspective. Exposing lies, manipulation, theft by speaking truth about them is not only 'permissible', but what is actually necessary to do for those who aspire to the STO mode of existence.
I also think that the problem with 'free will' is that most of us humans do not actually have much, or even any to speak of, and are so influenced and regimented by the psychopathic doctrines which have been promulgated far and wide, that we often feel some sense of 'guilt' when we do act for our destiny. As long as we are not ourselves using the very same tactics, such as coercion and manipulation, as the opposing forces use, it is likely we are acting properly. There is of course, a fine line which we cannot cross when dealing with others so as not to truly be violating their free will. The more we learn as individuals and as a group, the easier it seems to become to see just what we can and can not do to walk the 'straight but narrow path' we need to be on. And fortunately, we have here some individuals who have good enough 'vision' to help us all when we are foundering a bit and stray off this path!
It is certain that we all have much to learn. We still just have to do the best we can with what we currently know.
psychegram
The Living Force
Clif's latest is interesting:
_http://www.halfpasthuman.com/aintwhatitusedtobe.html
Essentially, he's interpreting 2012 in light of the Expanding Earth model, positing that the Earth has a plasma core (which to me sounds a lot like an inner Sun), which receives charged particles from the solar wind, which are condensed into gaseous, liquid and solid matter, thus pushing up the surface of the planet. He indicates that this can happen in a kind of rapid burst, leading to quite cataclysmic effects.
Nothing about comets, though ;) (interesting how that topic never seems to be broached, ever, in any of his work.) However, McCanney's electric comet model is certainly compatible with the expanding earth model ... in fact they seem entirely complementary.
Just thought I'd bring this to the forum's attention, see what everyone thinks. Is there any meat to these speculations of Clif's? Or is it just pseudoscientific fear mongering?
_http://www.halfpasthuman.com/aintwhatitusedtobe.html
Essentially, he's interpreting 2012 in light of the Expanding Earth model, positing that the Earth has a plasma core (which to me sounds a lot like an inner Sun), which receives charged particles from the solar wind, which are condensed into gaseous, liquid and solid matter, thus pushing up the surface of the planet. He indicates that this can happen in a kind of rapid burst, leading to quite cataclysmic effects.
Nothing about comets, though ;) (interesting how that topic never seems to be broached, ever, in any of his work.) However, McCanney's electric comet model is certainly compatible with the expanding earth model ... in fact they seem entirely complementary.
Just thought I'd bring this to the forum's attention, see what everyone thinks. Is there any meat to these speculations of Clif's? Or is it just pseudoscientific fear mongering?
shijing
The Living Force
psychegram said:
My understanding of McCanney's model is that objects accrete matter from the outside, on the surface -- so I don't think that would be the same thing as what Clif is describing. That doesn't mean the two ideas are incompatible -- I don't know if Clif's Expando Earth model is credible or not -- but they would be different processes.
thevenusian
Dagobah Resident
Shijing said:
I tend to agree with Shijing. Clif's model credits all Earth processes to the hypothetical plasma core and its relationship to the sun. He also supports the idea of cyclic catastrophe based entirely on the cycles of the sun, without accounting for the possibility of other factors.
McCanney's ideas account for huge energetic inputs from passing comets and the interactions between plasma in space and all solar system objects. I think McCanney does a better job accounting for where and how the tremendous amounts of energy required to accomplish such things as flipping the magnetic poles and creating mountain ranges come from and happen. His ideas also seem to better fit what the C's have had to say. I think McCanney would find Clif's theory far too simplistic and unable to account for the energy required to produce the results. Clif also does not provide a clear mechanism for the exchange of energy between the sun and the Earth's core. At least to me that part seems pretty fuzzy and unsubstantiated.
