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[mantle]

Check out this latest contribution of Cliff High called " HANMI....and the logical frank ". I also stumbled across the Cantona interview while searching for something else , prior to reading Cliff's piece ; and I must admit to an "oooooh" moment , let's, go there.. sort of thing,as I savoured my caffeine.
And speaking of demonstrations too, in my wonderings through the last one here in London, not in that pure racketeering called the Square Mile but around
Whitehall, how clear it was that massive waste of energy," only for the deluded." Tens of thousands marched and for what? , A tenebrous legion of young helots , rudderless,
while the future trembles. I observed how you can pick out the trouble makers simply by the way they walk and then... I left them to their violence.
And so this morning , while the PTB balance their budget on the student's backs, I thought of Cantona's perspective on the banks.
"Remove the money, et voila". I thought of Cliff's writings and of his connections and of harmony . Have you tried falling upwards lately?
" Everything is blooming most recklessly; if it were voices instead of colours, there would be an unbelievable shrieking into the heart of the night". mantle.

 

[Gonzo]

Hi mantle,

Maybe it's just me but for a while I have noticed it often takes some mental gymnastics for me to begin to understand what you are writing. You seem to use flowery, poetic speech which, even as an anglophone, I have a hard time comprehending.

I wonder about the trouble that non-anglophones might have trying to follow what you are trying to convey.

I just can't tell if it's just my lack of sufficient knowledge or if it is your phrasing and choice of words.

Here's a few areas where I had difficulty. Please don't feel the need to clarify these for me.:

...and I must admit to an "oooooh" moment , let's, go there.. sort of thing,as I savoured my caffeine.
...

I don't know what you meant by an "oooooh" moment, why you wanted to "go there" (the comma after the let's threw me off as well) and I assume you were enjoying a cup of coffee, although it could have been a tea, cola or an energy drink.

...And speaking of demonstrations too...

This appeared out of the blue for me as I didn't notice anyone speaking of demonstrations. I wonder if I missed something or if you were referring to something you came across on one of the pages you were mentioning and therefore assumed everyone had read it. I could be way off, as I am using a mobile to read the forum and things don't always render well. I don't always see links in people's posts, for example.

...
I thought of Cliff's writings and of his connections and of harmony . Have you tried falling upwards lately? " Everything is blooming most recklessly; if it were voices instead of colours, there would be an unbelievable shrieking into the heart of the night".

I didn't get the falling upwards question and the quote, which I assume was from Clif, was lacking in sufficient context for me to understand what he was talking about.

As well, it might be helpful for others if you don't assume they know the geography and culture of your country. Not everyone knows what Square Mile or Whitehall are.

Would it be possible for you to try to communicate in a more clear manner?

Also, instead of telling people to check something out, perhaps you could provide a reason why someone should invest their valuable time - a synopsis and how it relates to the discussion. It would be more externally considerate to do so.

Thanks,
Gonzo

 

[psychegram]

Also, instead of telling people to check something out, perhaps you could provide a reason why someone should invest their valuable time - a synopsis and how it relates to the discussion. It would be more externally considerate to do so.

Clif's latest refers to this video, by a Frenchman named Eric Cantona, whom Clif indicates is the 'logical frank' from the predictive linguistics. The video is quite short. In it, Mr. Cantona suggests that a massive, organized bank run might be a far more effective way of defeating the system than waving around signs in the street and getting subsequently stomped on by gendarmes.

 

[curious_richard]

Hi mantle,
Maybe it's just me but for a while I have noticed it often takes some mental gymnastics for me to begin to understand what you are writing.

No, it is not just you, Gonzo.

You seem to use flowery, poetic speech which, even as an anglophone, I have a hard time comprehending. I wonder about the trouble that non-anglophones might have trying to follow what you are trying to convey.

Yes. There must be many people on this forum who do not read English very well. I think it would be very considerate if everyone would try to use direct and basic words as much as possible. I sympathize with the person who must look up several words in every sentence, and still does not understand the meaning.

I just can't tell if it's just my lack of sufficient knowledge or if it is your phrasing and choice of words.

I think you are right in both ways, Gonzo. Please give me a moment to tell a short example. Some time ago, I was in Sweden and in a youth hostel (a cheap place for young people to stay the night). Most people in Sweden speak English very well. There was a person who spoke Russian, and I helped translate to English for the Swedish hostel person. No problem. There was a person who spoke English, but she could not (NOT!) communicate with the Swedish person. I repeated her meaning in basic English and the Swedish person was able to understand. I asked the girl if she spoke any foreign languages, and she said no. So it was clear to me that she had a problem. She did not know how to use simple and direct words to communicate. And she spoke too quickly. (She was from New York.) And she did not give a pause between words. She made it hard for people to understand her. And she failed. I tried to make it easy, and I succeeded.

As well, it might be helpful for others if you don't assume they know the geography and culture of your country. Not everyone knows what Square Mile or Whitehall are.

I agree. I suppose that "Square Mile" is the Chicago Midtown Airport, because it is exactly one square mile in size. And Whitehall must be the US Army center that Arlo Guthrie mentions in "Alice's Restaurant". If this is wrong, then "mantle" has failed in communicating.

Also, instead of telling people to check something out, perhaps you could provide a reason why someone should invest their valuable time - a synopsis and how it relates to the discussion. It would be more externally considerate to do so.

I agree. It is rude to spend the time of dozens or hundreds of people instead of a few minutes of your own (mantle's) time.

 

[Gonzo]

Hi psychegram,
Thanks for the explanation of the connection. This makes sense now. Of course, I also have great difficulty getting some of Clif's terms, "logical frank" being one of them. I see far too many possibilities in what both words could mean that I have a hard time grasping the intended message.

Gonzo

 

[Gonzo]

Hi curious_richard,

This reminds me of my earliest experiences working for the federal government - bureaucratese.

Plain language has become a bit of a buzz word lately but the concept is that bureaucracies have difficulty in clear communicating and the language they use becomes self perpetuating. Often, a new employee will be asked to write a brief on a given issue. The first thing this new employee will do is look for a previous document to use a template. Upon reading the language, the new employee assumes they are to repeat it.

The document hits the approval process. Nobody in the approval chain wants to admit they don't understand the document.

Somehow this grew into the belief that speaking clearly somehow makes the speaker seem less intelligent and knowledgeable. Ironic, since knowledge cannot be transferred without clarity.
My first editor as a journalist shamed me into clear communication. Every time I would use a big word he would stop reading and tell me to rewrite the entire work.

Thanks,
Gonzo

 

[go2]

And speaking of demonstrations too, in my wonderings through the last one here in London, not in that pure racketeering called the Square Mile but around
Whitehall, how clear it was that massive waste of energy," only for the deluded." Tens of thousands marched and for what? , A tenebrous legion of young helots , rudderless,
while the future trembles. I observed how you can pick out the trouble makers simply by the way they walk and then... I left them to their violence.

Mantle writes poetry. It is rather evocative if read in the spirit of poetry. I suggest using Wikipedia or Google for obscure references. The Square Mile is known as the City of London. It has a independent legal status, similar to the Vatican in Rome. It is thought to be the center of a worldwide empire of finance. It controls nations, war, and peace. Those who worry about a coming one world government simply don't understand empire. We have had a one world government for centuries, centered in the Square Mile called the City of London operating on the surface as the British Empire and then via Wall Street and the CIA. They may even control Israel. LOL I link to Wikipedia and therearenosunglasses.com for more complete information on this fasinating story. If you study war and finance you won't need Cliff High's crystal ball, you will know more than one out of ten thousand. Oh, Whitehall is the Palace of Monarchs in merry old England. They are well cared for by the predators in the City of London. Shakespeare's Merchant of Venice is thought to echo the relationship between Whitehall and the City. If you get my drift.... :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_Whitehall
http://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/2010/02/25/the-city-of-london-the-fabian-society-history-current-plans/

 

[Mr. Premise]

As well, it might be helpful for others if you don't assume they know the geography and culture of your country. Not everyone knows what Square Mile or Whitehall are.

I agree. I suppose that "Square Mile" is the Chicago Midtown Airport, because it is exactly one square mile in size. And Whitehall must be the US Army center that Arlo Guthrie mentions in "Alice's Restaurant". If this is wrong, then "mantle" has failed in communicating.

I took Mantle to mean he was in London during the recent protests, and the square mile being "The City" (where the banks and money are), at least that's what I think Mantle meant by square mile. Whitehall being in Westminster (had to look that up). So yes, Mantle did not communicate clearly at all, and too much energy has to be expended just to understand the basic setting. But it's a good way to get attention.

 

[Laura]

Mantle writes poetry. It is rather evocative if read in the spirit of poetry. I suggest using Wikipedia or Google for obscure references.

Sorry, don't have the time. If I don't understand it (and usually I don't) I assume that the person is writing or speaking for themselves, not others. Or, if for others, only a special few others who are part of some sort of artsy/bohemian in-group.

The Square Mile is known as the City of London.

That may be a widely understood term in some groups, but in general, this is a multi-national forum and I find that it is most helpful to others to write/speak as plainly as possible.

There is a branch of psychology that is devoted to studying the make-up of the human personality by studying the words people speak and/or write. It is a particular interest of mine because I want to discover if there is a way to suss out psychopaths simply by analyzing what they write.

Avoidance of the crux of the matter, beating around the bush, inability to answer direct questions, generally suggests a certain habit of dissimulation even when one is trying to be sincere.

 

[go2]

Mantle writes poetry. It is rather evocative if read in the spirit of poetry. I suggest using Wikipedia or Google for obscure references.

Sorry, don't have the time. If I don't understand it (and usually I don't) I assume that the person is writing or speaking for themselves, not others. Or, if for others, only a special few others who are part of some sort of artsy/bohemian in-group.

Laura, there is a "tongue in cheek" intent in my words. I should have added a wink. It is true Mantle's writing is difficult to follow and understand. I do not wish to encourage obscure or unclear writing on the forum.

There is a branch of psychology that is devoted to studying the make-up of the human personality by studying the words people speak and/or write. It is a particular interest of mine because I want to discover if there is a way to suss out psychopaths simply by analyzing what they write.

I have observed a couple of diagnosed psychopaths and noticed a parroting of words and phrases in conversation with both individuals. They are plagarists in the extreme. Do you notice any patterns of syntax in psychopath's speaking or writing? Can you recommend any material we can study on this topic?

 

[Buddy]

Can you recommend any material we can study on this topic?

Just out of curiosity, I looked up a couple of things. Here's something from the field of Social Psychology that might be interesting:

The Psychological Functions of Function Words, by CINDY CHUNG and JAMES PENNEBAKER
_http://homepage.psy.utexas.edu/homepage/faculty/pennebaker/reprints/Chung&JWP.pdf (17 pages)

Our findings to date suggest that the words we use in natural language reflect our thoughts and feelings in often unpredictable ways. They also reveal a tremendous amount of information about our social interactions and personality.

Function words, in particular, carry an array of psychological meanings and set the tone for social interactions. Before discussing the possible implications of these findings, two important concerns must be addressed.

How can we say that the various effects that we have discussed reflect function word differences and not differences in content or context? Perhaps these effects are merely reflections of differences in syntax – some people simply put sentences together in different ways. We placidly concede that the content and context of language use may vary across levels of stress, age, culture, or honesty.

However, it is important to consider that linguistic content and the contexts in which people speak are not randomly assigned.

Humans choose where to talk and write and what to talk or write about. That function words and not traditional content words consistently vary as a function of psychological state is important by itself. We can begin to measure these words in order to get rough proxies of people’s psychological worlds.

And then there's anything Sam Vaknin or any other diagnosed psychopath wrote, for starters, I suppose.

 

[Joe]

After that, the events for which the whole terrorism business was fabricated will start to come fully online. 'Earth changes', rockin and rolling etc. Of course, there is the unknown element of UFO flaps etc, all of which should make for an interesting few years ahead.

And how, in your opinion, Israel would fit into this picture?

They'll go down with the rest of the ship. They aren't going to get the US to attack Iran, and they aren't going to attack Iran themselves, or, if through some act of pathological madness they do, Iran will respond in an 'asymmetric' way, not exactly a war, but Israeli society will collapse. It's already half-way there.

Btw, this isn't really a prediction, because it's open to revision as new data comes in! ;)

One thing I would add to this is the real possibility that Israel's descent is likely to be triggered by "civil war" in the form of escalating attacks on Palestinians by orthodox Israeli settlers and reprisals. There is obviously a LOT of tension there, and as things continue to heat up on the planet in general, I think that that particular situation could easily boil over.

 

[crazycharlie]

recent fan of Clif
takes ninety degree turn
long but interesting read ...

http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/2010/11/what-i-think-and-why-about-clif-high.html#comments

sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com

is clif trying to turn some awake & aware people ?
I don't know , but this is interesting ....

 

[Laura]

I just want to point out that this business about the airport scanners has been described by some journalists as a "tipping point" and I think that we can agree that it started cranking up right around the time that Clif said that there was going to be a "tipping point." The thing that bothers me about it is the participation of the MSM and the Repugnicans.

Keep in mind that all these draconian laws were put in place BY republicans and FOR republicans under Bush. Everything that was done (like Patriot Act and creation of TSA) was NOT questioned or analyzed by the MSM, nor was it questioned by the Fundies. The whole of the conservative machinery was behind Bush and everything he did.

Now, all of a sudden, with Obama in office, being a Democrat, never mind that he is Bush all over again and there is absolutely NO difference in the way he is behaving, it's all "bad" and Fox etc are all over everything as though it is his, personal fault.

What I'm wondering here is if this "tipping point" may have been manufactured, so to say? As in just another way to stress/shock the public in the manner of transmarginal inhibition? Were all the language elements that Clif was picking up PLANTED? Is Clif, himself, an agent of the PTB, even unwittingly? (Well, he could be influenced by his association with Jay Weidner who I am thoroughly convinced is an agent provocateur).

Now, another thing I notice is that, yes, indeed, we have some weather/planet issues but certainly not as described by Clif. There was no solar blast causing massive earth changes as he suggested, but I can't help but think that problems with the Gulf Stream and the Jet Stream in the atmosphere are equally serious though not as dramatic as a solar eruption which is what Weidner and Bridges promote every chance they get.

Then, of course, the dollar is weakening rapidly due to inflation (i.e. printing more money) and I've noticed a dramatic increase in prices of things.

Anyway, if Clif is just trying to do his thing in a simple way, his method is interesting because it does pick up "agitations" but the interpretations leave a lot to be desired. And we do have to ask some questions about his presentations in light of recent events and the possibility that he is now being used as a vector.

 

[HiThere]

Maybe this is the tipping point? North Korea attacks South Korea with missiles, and South Korea is firing back.

_http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AM0TZ20101123