It's pure hubris. There are probably tens of millions of people in both Italy and France that have not been vaccinated. These idiots in power have no idea of the response they will get if they treat so many people as 2nd class citizens.
Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?
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It's pure hubris. There are probably tens of millions of people in both Italy and France that have not been vaccinated. These idiots in power have no idea of the response they will get if they treat so many people as 2nd class citizens.
At worst, you won't be allowed to go to indoor events, the cinema, restaurants, cafes. But outdoors yes. Doesn't seem so bad, and I suspect that people will eventually take a stand against such bullshit.
What Macron just said to the French people?
Emmanuel Macron addressed the country this Monday, July 12, 2021 at 8:00 pm, in a solemn speech. Here are the main announcements presented by the head of state.
This is the sum up from MK Scarlett, chilling.
Meh, more manipulative attempts, similar to those happening in most western countries, or will be soon. The problem is that vaccine uptake is rather low in France, hence the manipulative tactics. This is just manipulative talk and threats for now, all designed to get people to take the vaccine, and we will have to see if and how those threats are implemented. I expect significant resistance at local levels.
Or do they want to overpower and make pay those French people who invented the Gilets Jaunes movement and made the PTB shiver?"They" speed up the process and they push all the buttons: Fast and hard. Would they be desperate?
I wonder when they will decide to make mandatory the vaccine to go working.
Aniram
Padawan Learner
Good evening from France, where we are stunned, desperate.The hardening of speeches against unvaccinated people let us foresee the worst and the worst is officially launched. Compulsory vaccination of caregivers (doctors, nurses but also people working in health or social medical institutions) from September. The refractory ones will be thrown out, quite simply. Access to culture, bars, restaurants and transport will be subject to the health pass. The tests will have to be paid for. The vaccine is not compulsory but life is impossible without it. I can't believe this perversity. I can't imagine staying on the deckchair eating popcorn while watching the spectacle of a vile world being set up. What's next on the agenda? Dismantling of pensions, development of digital technology and climatic cinema. Many believe that the already moribund democracy is officially dead tonight.
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Bonsoir de France, où nous sommes médusés, désespérés. Le durcissement des discours contre les personnes non vaccinées laissaient présager le pire et le pire est officiellement lancé. Vaccination obligatoire des soignants (médecins, infirmiers mais aussi personnes travaillant dans les établissements de santé ou médicaux sociaux) à partir de septembre. Les réfractaires seront mis à la porte, tout simplement. Les accès à la culture, aux bars, aux restaurants, aux transports seront soumis au passe sanitaire. Les tests seront payants. Le vaccin n'est pas obligatoire mais la vie impossible sans. Je n'en reviens pas d'une telle perversité. Je ne peux pas imaginer rester sur le transat à manger du pop corn en regardant le spectacle d'un monde infâme se mettre en place. La suite du programme ? Démantèlement des retraites, développement du numérique et du cinéma climatique. Beaucoup pensent que la démocratie déjà moribonde est officiellement morte ce soir.
Yes, there are. I already saw some calls to ruin the 14 july (national day).
Unless you're a health worker, why do you say that? Access to culture, bars and restaurants is not essential and there is alternative for transport.
About health workers, a massive strike from them is looming because they really know the effects of the vaccine. Will will see.
So for most people it is still just a scare campaign unless they are working in hospitals, retirement homes or schools.
Those people are probably already under a lot of pressure to comply.
Cafés and restaurants will probably be locked down in winter anyway, so nothing new there.
Trains and planes only for the vaxxed - that sounds pretty wicked but which countries will people be allowed to fly to anymore?
Yes it sounds frightening.
Here in Germany official calls for compulsory vaccinations will not start before the general election on Sept, 26.
The media here are freely admitting that the vaxx campaign is rapidly losing speed - as it is reaching the 60% mark. The official goal is at 85% receiving the injections.
Somebody must be leaning down very heavily on the leading political puppets...
SOTTREADER
The Living Force
Being psychopaths I think we're witnessing a ratcheting up of restrictions by means of those jab passports. In the wings we're having countries like Malta denying entry to anyone who hasn't been jabbed which I think is a precursor for other countries in the EU doing this.
Then of course you'll have the internal restrictions which I understand was trialled in Hungary as it had adopted a vaxpass for internal affairs. It seems we didn't even notice it and I understand for example all those in the football stadiums which were full in Hungary gained entry by this passport.
Now France makes this crazy announcement today. Today also the British government announce they are releasing restrictions on 19th July but will be encouraging businesses to use vaccination certification and also will now be encouraging major employers to coerce their employees. Early signers to this scheme are Asda (supermarket) for example and Amazon. In the UK they've also lifted travel restrictions for vaccinated in that they don't have to quarantine and they get special fast lines at airports... To laugh or to cry?
It looks to me they are getting things ready for winter. The infrastructure is being set and they'll need a crisis in winter to accelerate the tyranny.
Separately, there is talk coming out of the US that FDA will move to fully approve the jabs before the trials are finished. Fauci was saying it's a formality yesterday - BTW I hope people have noticed Fauci is back out doing the media rounds after the email leaks which sent him hiding for a bit. UK Column mentioned today as well that they are hearing chatter about Biden waiting for this FDA approval to arrive before he makes his move to make this jab complusory in the US (well, at least try as I'm sure the resistance there won't go with the agenda). Another piece of interesting development, Israel has started giving its population the 3rd jab, starting with the "weakest" naturally before no doubt rolling it down the population groups.
Israel offers third shot of Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine to adults at risk
Israel said on Sunday it will begin offering a third dose of Pfizer Inc's (PFE.N) vaccine to adults with weak immune systems but it was still weighing whether to make the booster available to the general public.
So it's all moving into place. They just need a crisis now and they turn it all on. The infrastructure is kind of in place now really. It's a bit scary.
Btw, for anyone who gets jab to get freedom. Know you need 2 now, you'll need a third one within 6 months and whatever they say you need next year. The passport you'll hold will simply become invalid if you don't get the shot when they say you should get the shot.
Also in UK they have started a trial to give covid jab EACH MONTH for people suffering from long covid.
Patients with long Covid to receive MONTHLY jabs in trial to end chronic symptoms
LONG Covid patients are to receive monthly vaccines in a trial that offers hope for the one million Brits who suffer crippling chronic symptoms. In a world-first, British scientists are set to exp…
www.thesun.co.uk
david.d
The Force is Strong With This One
Oui Joe, pouvoir rester dehors est une bonne chose surtout où je vis (en montagne, avec ma chérie et des animaux).
Le problème est que le président a dit (au conditionnel) que nous devions tous être vacciner et que cela deviendrait obligatoire à partir de septembre. Actuellement je travaille dans un snack et je ne cederais pas à cette obligation de pass sanitaire quitte à démissionner.
J'espère que nous les anti vaccin ne cèderons pas à cette folie.
J'imagine que le président n'ira pas jusqu'au bout de ce qu'il dit, il "bluff"?
Yes Joe, being able to stay outside is a good thing especially where I live (in the mountains, with my honey and animals).
The problem is that the president has said (conditional) that we all have to be vaccinated and that it will be mandatory starting in September. Currently I work in a snack bar and I would not give in to this obligation of health pass even if it means quitting.
I hope that we anti-vaccine people will not give in to this madness.
I guess the president won't go through with what he says, he's "bluffing"?
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Can you point me to the quote please?
Aniram
Padawan Learner
In my anger, I did not mention the businesses that are part of the list, sorry!
The vaccination of caregivers also concerns medical and social establishments, which are not health establishments but work for fragile populations. A reflection will be carried out quickly to extend the obligation to other professions. Who is optimistic enough to think that with such a system, only health care workers will be concerned? It is indeed the daily life of the unvaccinated that will become impossible in all its dimensions. In any case, this is how I perceived the speech.
As for transportation, I think that many people do not have many alternatives. I am not sure that many will stand up and say STOP.
Dans ma colère, je n'ai pas mentionné les commerces qui font partie de la liste, désolée !
La vaccination des soignants concerne également les établissements médico sociaux qui ne sont pas des établissements de santé mais travaillant pour les populations fragiles. Une réflexion sera menée rapidement pour élargir l'obligation à d'autres professions. Qui est assez optimiste pour penser qu'avec un dispositif pareil, seuls les soignants seront concernés ? C'est bien la vie quotidienne des non vaccinés qui deviendra impossible dans toutes ses dimensions. J'ai en tous cas perçu le discours comme cela.
Pour les transports, je pense que beaucoup de personnes n'ont pas beaucoup d'alternatives. Je ne suis pas sûre que beaucoup se lèveront pour dire STOP.
La vaccination des soignants concerne également les établissements médico sociaux qui ne sont pas des établissements de santé mais travaillant pour les populations fragiles. Une réflexion sera menée rapidement pour élargir l'obligation à d'autres professions. Qui est assez optimiste pour penser qu'avec un dispositif pareil, seuls les soignants seront concernés ? C'est bien la vie quotidienne des non vaccinés qui deviendra impossible dans toutes ses dimensions. J'ai en tous cas perçu le discours comme cela.
Pour les transports, je pense que beaucoup de personnes n'ont pas beaucoup d'alternatives. Je ne suis pas sûre que beaucoup se lèveront pour dire STOP.
isparnid
Jedi Council Member
The double penalty for French expatriates:
"All our vacations are disrupted": the headache of unapproved foreign vaccines for expatriates:
Sputnik, Sinopharm, Coronavac... So many serums that do not comply with the European sanitary pass, and that many French people living abroad have received. Between lack of information, orders and counter-orders, expatriates are fuming.
«Toutes nos vacances sont perturbées» : le casse-tête des vaccins étrangers non homologués pour les expatriés
And Russian diplomacy is annoyed, Maria Zakharova said:
"We condemn France for such discriminatory statements made by a high-ranking representative, and which revive the spirit of neo-Nazi segregation in Europe."
Vaccins russes et chinois/ La diplomatie russe s’agace…
"All our vacations are disrupted": the headache of unapproved foreign vaccines for expatriates:
Sputnik, Sinopharm, Coronavac... So many serums that do not comply with the European sanitary pass, and that many French people living abroad have received. Between lack of information, orders and counter-orders, expatriates are fuming.
«Toutes nos vacances sont perturbées» : le casse-tête des vaccins étrangers non homologués pour les expatriés
And Russian diplomacy is annoyed, Maria Zakharova said:
"We condemn France for such discriminatory statements made by a high-ranking representative, and which revive the spirit of neo-Nazi segregation in Europe."
Vaccins russes et chinois/ La diplomatie russe s’agace…
We are in France and we follow several channels of resistance, some of which are mentioned here. The resistance is getting organised. Some French people have not lost their warrior soul and all my family (partner, mother, sister, children,...), friends and acquaintances are not ready to collaborate. I am a home help and will be subject to compulsory vaccination from 15 September for my job. I have decided to go and work in the fields from September. Concerning transport such as the train, it is abject because many students use this transport.
They are not going to stop there because they are still discussing vaccinating the children for the start of the school year. For the moment it's a lot of intimidation, but apparently it's working because the website for online vaccination appointments has been taken over.
There is a lot of movement, but for the moment nothing is decided.
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Nous sommes en France et nous suivons plusieurs canaux de resistance dont certains cités ici. La résistance s'organise. Certains français n'ont pas perdu leur âme de guerriers et toute ma famille (compagnon, mère, soeur, enfants,...), amis et connaissances ne sont pas près à collaborer. Je suis aide à domicile et vais être soumise à la vaccination obligatoire à partir du 15 septembre pour mon emploi. J'ai decidé d'aller travailler dans les champs à partir de septembre. Concernant les transports comme le train, c'est abjecte car beaucoup d'étudiants utilisent ces transports.
Ils ne vont pas s'arrêter là car ils discutent encore de vacciner les enfants pour la rentrée scolaire. Pour l'instant il s'agit beaucoup d'intimidation, mais apparement, ça fonctionne assez car le site pour la prise de rdv vaccination en ligne aurait été pris d'assaut.
Ça bouge beaucoup, pour l'heure rien n'est joué.
