No, they don't compare like for like. That would downplay the coronavirus and raise questions about the efficacy of the flu shot.
Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?
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No, they don't compare like for like. That would downplay the coronavirus and raise questions about the efficacy of the flu shot.
SOTTREADER
The Living Force
Here's a question...
Since all the flu data is estimated essentially and as I gather it, driven with an agenda to try and win hearts and minds regarding vaccination, do you think they don't actually know the real stats on flu?
If yes, then is it possible that on Covid-19, as it's less estimated and more driven by the current data available, that 'experts' are comparing the 2 but actually don't know that essentially they aren't comparing from a like to like basis as you've mentioned?
Basically, what I'm trying to say.... Do you think the experts genuinely think Covid is more dangerous but they have not fully appreciated that the flu stuff is all estimated with a huge taint of prejudice so they don't actually know how dangerous the flu is?
I guess there would also be a layer of people who are utilising this for a specific agenda
- Forced vaccination (I get this)
- Economic collapse / reset (I don't get this as they are also hitting themselves)
- Other evil things my mind can't fathom
A thought just occurred to me that this whole thing may be a live test - kinda like the emergency broadcast system - phase 2 of event 201...though no statement of “this is only a test”. It’s as if “They” are stress testing/debugging the response for when the S-truly-HTF.
I could be wrong of course.
I could be wrong of course.
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Deleted member 9511
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Again with the patronizing, calling me conditioned. Please stop it. It's not helpful. As I've tried to emphasize time and again, I don't dispute anything else you've written here. I am just curious about your need to cherry-pick around Italy. Please answer the question that you keep avoiding.Only because you're being conditioned to see it that way. Again, last winter, 43,000 people died in Italy from the flu. This year, 2000 have died from coronavirus, that's on top of the flu illnesses this year that the medical system is having to deal with. EVERYTHING is the result of the way the media is reporting it combined with the hysterical and muddled thinking of the people. Until you get that, you won't see anything clearly.
Read this article and tell me what reason you or anyone else has to believe that this is anything other than a flu-like illness?
Coronavirus: Australian scientists map how immune system fights virus
Australian researchers identify four types of immune cells which present in response to Covid-19.www.bbc.com
43000 people died in Italy from flu. OK, fine. I don't dispute it. 2000 have died there from coronavirus...maybe. I say maybe because some might have simply died of flu per the information provided by Herr Doctor Wodarg, which would make coronavirus even more of a nothingburger. So, why are the hospitals apparently being overrun in Italy? I don't know why, or even if it's happening. Do you? It's an odd piece of data that is not being adequately explained by anyone. Is it reliable data?
FWIW, I could just as easily say you're conditioned to think one way and it's giving you fits to consider Italy. It doesn't need to give anyone fits. It's just curiosity for me. It's odd. It's just as odd that you seem incapable of even approaching the question, but you are constantly providing justification as to why you don't need to approach it. Again, I don't dispute the data you are offering. It's widely publicized any ways so it's not as if these revelations of flu mortality are particulary edifying. Do you know something about Italian health care and the recent and apparently acute inability to handle case loads that I don't know? If, so, please provide it. If not, then you're displaying clear cognitive dissonance by denouncing a muddy data point that is worthy of consideration. Nobody's immune to that. Not me, not you. No biggie.
Also, FWIW, this thread, and I believe this forum, is not as much about the content, i.e. statistics and data, etc., but about the opportunity to self-correct - not the data part, but the part that has any of us reacting. I'm looking intently at how I react to all of this, and finding that instrospection incredibly valuable. Understanding the interplay of context and content, particularly where is the divide between context and content, has been important to me for some time. It's like living meditation to check where the content and context mismatch, the idea being that in true meditation, or so I'm told, there is no distinction between meditator and meditation, as in which is the context and which is the content. That's worth much more than any of this discussion. For that opportunity, please accept my heartfelt thanks and best wishes.
bianca etezete
Dagobah Resident
Hello SOTTREADER, i am referinfg to your question:
The thread is rapidly growing, maybe you missed to watch the 10 minutes Vid I posted.
Just to note, apparently a gun shop in the US saw a surge in purchases, Las Vegas featured in the following video, with them next to totally selling out. They're saying deliveries will be coming but for people to not call the shop. At the same time they've apparently been increasing prices due to demand...Another post says that all classes and shooting lessons are closed:
Sounds right to me. Trump just said that the US may now be headed towards recession because of Coronavirus, Goldman Sachs and other big names in the financial world are saying this too - as if all the conditions of a crash or economic depression weren't already deep in the process of occurring.
Investor and analyst Gregory Mannarino comments in this video that all the financial news we're seeing from the mainstream media is being obscured by Covid-19, effectively leaving all objective facts out of the equation; "Everything is the Coronavirus!". We may well be on the way to the financial 'reset' we've been hearing about for so many years now - where some new kind of central bank led monetary system gets foisted upon us; 'Because Covid-19'.
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Coronavirus deaths are so high in Italy that some places have a waiting list for burials and funerals are happening with no family members there
Funeral services in the part of Italy hit hardest by the coronavirus outbreak are overwhelmed, with one crematorium working around the clock.
www.businessinsider.com
More Italy data. Sorry for being so obsessed with this. I just feel like all roads run through Italy at the moment. Is this Operation GladioVID? Maybe it's not important at all, but it feels like it's the epicenter of the information wave at the moment. Like going to Douma to ask the locals who provided good information to counter the narrative about chlorine gas attack. It's an interesting observation, though, that like in Syria there was no freedom of movement so getting to the scene of the crime was difficult, it's the same in Italy now with the lockdown.
Saturday was local elections day in France. I went to the communal building were the election was organized. I expected a deserted place filled with fear and hysteria. To my surprise the carpark was packed with hundreds of cars. Same inside the building with 100's of voters, families, kids. Nobody I saw was wearing a mask.
People were chitchatting (at a normal distance, not the 3meters safety distance) quite joyfully.
In the end, participation rate was 45% (it was 64% in 2014). In France there are 44 millions voters, it means that, compared to 2014, 8 million of them were frightened enough by the "epidemics" to not go voting. But it also means that 20 million of them were unaffected enough by the on-going hysteria to go vote.
Today I went grocery shopping, I was expecting queues, empty shelves, full biohazard suits, it happened to be a great shopping experience
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No queue whatsoever, no jam, pretty empty parking lot.
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A few customers, none of them wearing gloves or masks ( most employees do wear masks). The shelves were 80% full, I found everything we needed: sourkrout, rice, vegetal milk, eggs. A few shelves were empty: some caned food, all the toilet paper, all the milk were gone.
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The only disappointment was that I didn't get a fine. In France, people are only allowed to leave their house for essential activities (doctor appointment, pharmacy trip, grocery shopping...) even for these activities they need a written certificate, where they basically write down their name, address and purpose of their trip.
I didn't fill this form and since the government promised 100,000 policemen in the street to enforce totalitarian and meaningless rules I was pretty sure to get fined, which would have been a great memory of the 2020 coronavirus hysteria.
I drove about 30 km and saw only one police car that conducting no control/fining whatsoever. The extensive police control announced by the authorities sounds like a bluff to me.
Police forces are under-equipped, understaffed, demotivated, exhausted by 70 weeks of Yellow Vest protests and overburdened. A few months ago, they were not even able to protect the presidential palace against the Yellow Vests.
Actually the 3 policemen in the above mentioned police car were starring at sheep:
It seems that the local shepherd took the opportunity of the low activity generated by the thoroughly orchestrated hysteria to walk his sheep in the parking lot.
People were chitchatting (at a normal distance, not the 3meters safety distance) quite joyfully.
In the end, participation rate was 45% (it was 64% in 2014). In France there are 44 millions voters, it means that, compared to 2014, 8 million of them were frightened enough by the "epidemics" to not go voting. But it also means that 20 million of them were unaffected enough by the on-going hysteria to go vote.
Today I went grocery shopping, I was expecting queues, empty shelves, full biohazard suits, it happened to be a great shopping experience
No queue at the cash registers
No queue whatsoever, no jam, pretty empty parking lot.
The supermarket is open, the parking lot is quite empty
A few customers, none of them wearing gloves or masks ( most employees do wear masks). The shelves were 80% full, I found everything we needed: sourkrout, rice, vegetal milk, eggs. A few shelves were empty: some caned food, all the toilet paper, all the milk were gone.
Customers not wearing masks and full shelves
The only disappointment was that I didn't get a fine. In France, people are only allowed to leave their house for essential activities (doctor appointment, pharmacy trip, grocery shopping...) even for these activities they need a written certificate, where they basically write down their name, address and purpose of their trip.
I didn't fill this form and since the government promised 100,000 policemen in the street to enforce totalitarian and meaningless rules I was pretty sure to get fined, which would have been a great memory of the 2020 coronavirus hysteria.
I drove about 30 km and saw only one police car that conducting no control/fining whatsoever. The extensive police control announced by the authorities sounds like a bluff to me.
Police forces are under-equipped, understaffed, demotivated, exhausted by 70 weeks of Yellow Vest protests and overburdened. A few months ago, they were not even able to protect the presidential palace against the Yellow Vests.
Actually the 3 policemen in the above mentioned police car were starring at sheep:
It seems that the local shepherd took the opportunity of the low activity generated by the thoroughly orchestrated hysteria to walk his sheep in the parking lot.
A great objective analysis of the data gatered from the Diamond Princess events is posted on WUWT:
Diamond Princess Mysteries
Also here is an article on the situation that existed on this ship:
A Japanese disease expert who inspected the Diamond Princess said he was 'so scared' of catching the coronavirus because hygiene on the cruise ship was so bad
Diamond Princess Mysteries
Also here is an article on the situation that existed on this ship:
A Japanese disease expert who inspected the Diamond Princess said he was 'so scared' of catching the coronavirus because hygiene on the cruise ship was so bad
Just another observation: the right-wingers here in Germany are now sidelined - they completely bought into the coronavirus scare and are now just spectators. It's "government time". Same for the Green lunatics - their gender nonsense and climate change scaremongering don't fly anymore right now. Perhaps some infighting between factions of the elite also plays a role in all this?
Listening to the news here is something else. It's like everyone is playing theater, pretending it is real. Absolutely astonishing. At least with 9/11, something actually did happen. Right now we are in total lockdown 100 times worse than after 9/11, and nothing happened. Unreal!
Listening to the news here is something else. It's like everyone is playing theater, pretending it is real. Absolutely astonishing. At least with 9/11, something actually did happen. Right now we are in total lockdown 100 times worse than after 9/11, and nothing happened. Unreal!
It's common in Europe, especially since the austerity measures implemented following the 'financial crash' of 2008.
Here's an article about the situation in the UK from December 2019, before this Coronavirus nonsense kicked off.
Meanwhile here in Portugal they go completely with the global program with 448 confirmed cases and 1 dead. We drove by 5 supermarkets today, lines everywhere, even at the small health store. Shelves and produce fully stocked though. Many people all masked up, gloved and many I know are really scared.
My daughter was able to get a plane to Faro from the UK yesterday where she studies and her uni (Leeds) just announced that all examinations etc have been cancelled for this academic year. The madness goes on and on and on. I am very thankful for all excellent information and clever connecting of the dots on this forum.
My daughter was able to get a plane to Faro from the UK yesterday where she studies and her uni (Leeds) just announced that all examinations etc have been cancelled for this academic year. The madness goes on and on and on. I am very thankful for all excellent information and clever connecting of the dots on this forum.
s1mpleman
Jedi
Am I reading too much into whom is suppose to be developing the CORVID-19 vaccine?
economictimes.indiatimes.com
Excerpt from the article:
Scientists in Israel likely to soon announce the development of coronavirus vaccine
Israeli daily Ha'aretz, quoting medical sources, reported on Thursday that scientists at the Israel's Institute for Biological Research, supervised by the Prime Minister's office, have recently had a significant breakthrough in understanding the biological mechanism and qualities of the virus.
Excerpt from the article:
