Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?

Joe

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And yes there is a very high level of hysteria and fear but in hospital hysteria was present also before this.
You cannot believe if you prefer. I am telling the facts that are happening in some area of Italy. They are not opinion.

It's not that I don't believe you, I'm just checking to see if you have ever worked in a hospital in an area where there was a real flu outbreak before. For example, below is an article that references the 2017-18 season in a couple of areas of the USA.

A tsunami of sick people has swamped hospitals in many parts of the country in recent weeks as a severe flu season has taken hold. In Rhode Island, hospitals diverted ambulances for a period because they were overcome with patients. In San Diego, a hospital erected a tent outside its emergency room to manage an influx of people with flu symptoms.

 
This morning I spent almost an hour searching for daily covid-19 statistics (from UK or elsewhere) as I wanted to find out what's the daily change in ratio of number of tests carried out to number of confirmed cases, ...but I found nothing. :shock: I did not give up though and thought I just needed these two data set separately to produce the stats myself, but I couldn't find any reasonable data regarding number of daily tests carried out. If somebody came across such data or stats, please let me know.

It's 10 days old but I came across this site: How many tests for COVID-19 are being performed around the world? and it includes a graph (image below) that you can interact with and also download a .csv data file. You might be able to get a trended idea of how the UK compares to the rest of the world but I think daily change data would be incredibly difficult to find in terms of testing versus confirmed cases, just because of the scale of information that's constantly updating and no uniform way of reporting it (that's publicly available).

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echo

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A friend of mine who lives in France says all the serious news outlets (her words) in France are saying Sweden won't go with the official line because the government is reluctant to pay for the job losses. So the Swedish government is being smeared from abroad, it seems.

This is from an article in The New York Times on March 28th:


In the Coronavirus Fight in Scandinavia, Sweden Stands Apart
In explaining Sweden’s current strategy, experts point to other underlying factors: The country has high levels of trust, according to the historian Lars Tragardh, and a strict law in the Constitution prohibits the government from meddling in the affairs of the administrative authorities, such as the public health agency.
“Therefore, you don’t need to micromanage or control behavior at a detailed level through prohibitions or threat of sanctions or fines or imprisonment,” Mr. Tragardh said in a phone interview. “That is how Sweden stands apart, even from Denmark and Norway.”
(...)
The state epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, said in an interview that Sweden’s strategy is based on science and boiled down to this: “We are trying to slow the spread enough so that we can deal with the patients coming in.”
Sweden’s approach appeals to the public’s self-restraint and sense of responsibility, Mr. Tegnell said. “That’s the way we work in Sweden. Our whole system for communicable disease control is based on voluntary action. The immunization system is completely voluntary and there is 98 percent coverage,” he explained.
“You give them the option to do what is best in their lives,” he added. “That works very well, according to our experience.”
 

lilies

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Hungary, (West of Ukraine):
1. Somebody have torn down the four pages of Covid-Pandemic instructions that were glued to each vegetable/grocery market door last week. They were the exact translations someone posted here last week. The overwhelming instructions are now gone.
2. Almost nobody seems to observe the Lock-Down and face-mask hysteria anymore.
3. Car traffic increased significantly outside on the street, back to normal.
4. I'm waiting for the flea-market to be declared re-openable.
5. Stores still must observe the mandatory shortened open hours.

But The People seem to want to shake off these tyrannical measures. On the soccer field, for example there were more people. One parents-car let out two kids, they were playing soccer on the grass, just near: but they fled, as I arrived and run couple stretches on the opposite side of the soccer-field, furthest away from them. No matter, they withdrew. Then half-an hour after them more people came out to both fields [onto the astroturf one and onto the natural grass covered one] and played soccer.

On the grass, during the beginning of the mass hysteria-push in the media, ~two weeks ago there was one young adult wearing a black face-mask, while playing soccer with two buddies. Now.. "two weeks into the future" nobody is bothering with face-masks anymore.

I'll will need to check out stores, "city-wide" and report back.
 

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It's 10 days old but I came across this site: How many tests for COVID-19 are being performed around the world? and it includes a graph (image below) that you can interact with and also download a .csv data file. You might be able to get a trended idea of how the UK compares to the rest of the world but I think daily change data would be incredibly difficult to find in terms of testing versus confirmed cases, just because of the scale of information that's constantly updating and no uniform way of reporting it (that's publicly available).

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Thank you @MikeJoseph82. I've seen this and similar charts already but they're all omitting the data dimension I'm most interested in. Last week I noted that here in UK daily news about new cases were coming if form: X tested, Y negative, Z positive, increase of... so I though it would be good to see how this ratio looks like together with other charts. I understand that the criteria of who is entitled to be tested, etc. are constantly changing but I think that regardless of this it would be good to see if the percentage of infected per number of tested is changing in the same direction and pace as data they base their scaremongering on.
 
Hi everybody,
Long time no write. I'm mostly caught up with this thread, been reading it for the last few days, but only now got the chance to chime in.
I'm writing from Croatia, Zagreb surroundings.

First of all, thanks to everyone for their local reports and amazing research.

I've been thinking about why this is happening and what the endgame is and it seems to me that this is the perfect pretext for setting up basically everything that the PTB have been working towards these past few decades.

1. Cashless society. This one's obvious, but I talked to my mom yesterday and she pointed out that credit cards can be seen as a potential for virus spreading as well since you still need to punch in your PIN code for any purchase over 100 HRK here in Croatia, which is something like 13€. That means that they can go a step further and call for...

2. Chipping. I think it was mentioned already, but agenda ID2020 is very interesting in this regard, basically using vaccination as a pretext to create a global identification system.

3. Forced Vaccination, obviously.

4. Suspension of Civil Rights. Here in Croatia, we're allowed to go outside to do the basic stuff like grocery shopping etc. and also for a walk, but we are not allowed to travel freely inside the country (can't go outside of your town of residence) without asking for official permission, which is only given for specific situations. These measures are, of course, unconstitutional and they've been instituted by decree. It seems the same thing is happening all over the world. I can see these measures being a precedent for later "pandemics" and whatever the PTB decide will be the next crisis. If this virus warrants such measures, than surely the next flu season should, as well.

5. World Government. They've already managed to make most countries institute the same measures, but already they're saying that this is not enough and that we need a coordinated effort to deal with this crisis. What they haven't managed through the AGW boogeyman, they will do through COVID.

6. 5G. Internet has been patchy (one day I went to do some shopping and the system for card payments was down in the supermarket as well as in the petrol station, which is so ironic considering the media going on and on about not using cash) so they're going to have a reason to push even harder for implementation.

7. Driverless Cars and the general automation of the economy. Right now, mostly just grocery stores and other shops with basic necessities are functioning, but the workers there could easily be replaced, almost entirely. If they can push driverless cars, transportation workers will become obsolete, too. Basically every facet of the economy that's absolutely necessary can be automated and the parts that aren't necessary can be done away with. No more, bars, restaurants, night clubs, sporting events, live music, museums, tourism. We can still have the online economy which is going to boom and those who can will work from home. Others will be left by the wayside. All of this allowed by 5G of course.

I have a feeling there was something else, but I can't remember now. In any case, I will try to get on here as often as I can to give some reports of what I'm seeing here on the ground, but I can say now that I'm seeing a lot of what others have reported, like people dividing along compliance lines, but most of the people I know are not panicked and seem to agree that these measures are excessive. I have a 10 month old baby, so I haven't got a lot of time in the day to post here, but I'll do my best. Luckily, I have opened my own business two years ago and work from home, so I'm not affected by this as much as many others, for now. My heart goes out to those people. I hope we can overcome this attack on our very lives.

Be well, everyone.
 

Laura

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I've updated the timeline with a list of USA actions I found on another site. Perhaps others can collect similar data from various countries so perhaps we can see if a pattern emerges? Like, were there any international meetings that were followed by certain actions?

If you add something to it, follow the format, copy and paste into a new post without quotes, and note at top what you have added.

Corona Virus timeline

CHINA
Nov, 2002: After its experience with the SARS outbreak in Guangdong Province in 2002, China implemented a rapid response protocol for infectious diseases. The protocol empowered the Health Ministry to assemble professional and managerial help from across the country, established an emergency response coordinating team, prepared funding and authorization for supplies, equipment and emergency health care facilities, anticipating that existing hospitals would be overwhelmed.

USA Sep 2008: Though the first cases of H1N1 swine flu were reported in California and Texas in late March, 2009, subsequent genetic analysis suggests that it began six months before it was first detected, in September, 2008, at the start of the ‘flu season. The CDC admits, below, that earlier Covid-19 cases went undetected, too

FIVE YEAR GAP

UK, Saudi Arabia, Jordan Feb/Mar 2013
New Mystery Virus kills 9th Victim, This virus is in the family of coronaviruses, a new virus, previously unknown to mankind, Symptoms of the disease consist of respiratory distress, fever, coughing and difficulty in breathing.

USA Jul, 2015: Patent application lodged for attenuated coronavirus by The Pirbright Institute (UK), application granted November 2018.

USA Jun, 2017: World Bank issues Pandemic Bonds for emergency pandemic financing and pandemic insurance.

USA May, 2018: The President Fires the entire US Pandemic Response Team and does not replace it.

USA Nov 2018: Patent application for attenuated coronavirus (see July 2015) granted.

USA Apr, 2019: An outbreak of severe vaping-associated lung illness is exclusively confined to the United States, despite the fact that the majority of vapers live outside the US.

USA Jul 3, 2019: The CDC halts research at Fort Detrick, citing “national security reasons” for not releasing information about its decision.

USA Jul 14, 2019: Chinese researcher escorted from infectious disease lab amid RCMP investigation. Public Health Agency of Canada describes it as a possible ‘policy breach,’ no risk to Canadian public. The first Chinese to discover or warn about the Covid-19 outbreak?

AUSTRALIA Aug, 2019: Australia Health Management Plan for Pandemic Influenza released.

USA Aug, 2019: First Vaping Death Reported by Health Officials “Amid the lack of information, investigators scrambled to find shared links to the respiratory problems. Officials said earlier this week that many patients, most of whom were adolescents or young adults, had described difficulty breathing, chest pain, vomiting and fatigue,” the precise symptoms of Covid-19 infection.

USA Sep 2019: Recently (2020), a team of Chinese researchers claimed to demonstrate that Covid-19 was born in September, 2019. The British researchers who had discovered the earlier H1N1 date are not convinced.

USA Oct 18, 2019: The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation hosted Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise on October 18, 2019, in New York, NY. Event 201 simulated an "outbreak of a novel zoonotic coronavirus transmitted from bats to pigs to people that eventually becomes efficiently transmissible from person to person, leading to a severe pandemic that leaves 65 million dead.

CHINA Oct 27, 2019 At a peak of international tension and the ‘flu season in the northern hemisphere, on the eve of China’s biggest travel season, 300 American military servicemen visit Wuhan for the International Military Games.

USA Dec, 2019. A Chinese medical researcher is arrested in Boston trying to take biological samples back to China. Zheng Zaosong, of Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, confessed to taking material from a lab in Boston. FBI Special Agent Kara Spice found 21 wrapped vials containing a “brown liquid” that appeared to be “biological material” (samples of post-mortem lung tissue look like ‘brown liquid’). Zheng’s roommate, also a researcher, told FBI agents that two labmates of Zheng had succeeded in getting specimens to China. China, presumably, now went on high alert.

USA/CHINA Dec 2019: Chinese researchers in the USA informed China’s Health Ministry of a novel Coronavirus outbreak there, triggering a readiness alert nationwide. The WHO describes what happened next, “In the face of a previously unknown virus, China has rolled out perhaps the most ambitious, agile, and aggressive disease containment effort in history…China’s bold approach to contain the rapid spread of this new respiratory pathogen has changed the course of a rapidly escalating and deadly epidemic.”

CHINA Dec 26, 2019: Jixian Zhang detects four anomalous pneumonia infections in Wuhan and reports them to the provincial CDC the next day. The provincial authorities immediately inform the national CDC which prepares to implement the pandemic response protocols.

GERMANY Dec 25-Dec 31, 2019: Charité (clinic in Berlin) starts developing test for the new Corona virus after first informal information reaches them. Later sends prototype to China, "unnamed colleagues" in China confirm that it works. WHO then publishes the test on its website as the first test. China develops own test, but demand is high elsewhere - even in Southeast Asia.

CHINA Dec 30, 2019: China’s national CDC notifies the WHO

CHINA Dec 31, 2019: WHO reports Zhang’s discovery to the world.

MALAYSIA Jan 5, 2020: Malaysia’s Assistant to the Prime Minister, Matthias Chang, speculates that the US is waging biological warfare on China.

USA Jan 6: Infectious disease expert Amesh A. Adalja, M.D., senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, agrees, “We are on track to have a season like the 2017-2018 season,” when 80,000 Americans died of flu complications. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) issued a travel notice for Wuhan, China due to the spreading coronavirus

CHINA January 7: China identifies the virus as 2019-nCov and confirms it five days later. President Xi tells officials that the country is on a ‘war footing’

USA Jan 7: The CDC established a coronavirus incident management system to better share and respond to information about the virus

USA Jan 11: The CDC issued a Level I travel health notice for Wuhan, China

CHINA Jan 13: China makes the first 2019-nCov test kits available.

USA Jan 17:
The CDC began implementing public health entry screening at the 3 U.S. airports that received the most travelers from Wuhan – San Francisco, New York JFK, and Los Angeles

USA Jan 19: A 35-year-old man presented to an urgent care clinic in Snohomish County, Washington, with a 4-day history of cough and subjective fever. He disclosed that he had returned to Washington State on January 15 after traveling to visit family in Wuhan, China. Apart from a history of hypertriglyceridemia, the patient was an otherwise healthy nonsmoker. On January 20, 2020, the CDC confirmed that the patient’s nasopharyngeal and oropharyngeal swabs tested positive for 2019-nCoV. By Jan. 30, the patient’s symptoms had resolved, according to a New England Journal of Medicine paper. Snohomish County officials allowed him to leave home isolation three weeks later.

USA Jan 20: Dr Fauci announces the National Institutes of Health is already working on the development of a vaccine for the coronavirus

USA Jan 21: The CDC activated its emergency operations center to provide ongoing support to the coronavirus response

USA Jan 23: The CDC sought a “special emergency authorization” from the FDA to allow states to use its newly developed coronavirus test

CHINA Jan 25: Construction begins on a 1,000 bed intensive care hospital in Wuhan.

CHINA Jan 26: China extends Spring Festival holiday to contain the outbreak.

USA Jan 27: The CDC issued a level III travel health notice urging Americans to avoid all nonessential travel to China due to the coronavirus

USA Jan 28: Harvard Chemistry Professor Arrested, Handcuffed, And Accused Of Lying About Ties To China. Charles Lieber, Chair of Harvard’s Department of Chemical Biology, led a Chinese research group focusing on the use of nanotechnology to identify viruses.

USA Jan 29: The White House announced the formation of the Coronavirus Task Force to help monitor and contain the spread of the virus and provide updates to the President

USA Jan 31: The Trump Administration:Declared the coronavirus a public health emergency; Announced Chinese travel restrictions; Suspended entry into the United States for foreign nationals who pose a risk of transmitting the coronavirus. The Department of Homeland Security took critical steps to funnel all flights from China into just 7 domestic U.S. airports

USA Feb 3: The CDC had a team ready to travel to China to obtain critical information on the novel coronavirus, but were in the U.S. awaiting permission to enter by the Chinese government

USA Feb 4: President Trump vowed in his State of the Union Address to “take all necessary steps” to protect Americans from the coronavirus

CHINA Feb 5: First patients moved into new 1,000 bed intensive care hospital.

USA Feb 6: The CDC began shipping CDC-Developed test kits for the 2019 Novel Coronavirus to U.S. and international labs

USA Feb 9: The White House Coronavirus Task Force briefed governors from across the nation at the National Governors’ Association Meeting in Washington

USA Feb 11: The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) expanded a partnership with Janssen Research & Development to “expedite the development” of a coronavirus vaccine

USA Feb 12: The U.S. shipped test kits for the 2019 novel coronavirus to approximately 30 countries who lacked the necessary reagents and other materials; The CDC was prepared to travel to China but had yet to receive permission from the Chinese government

USA Feb 14: The CDC began working with five labs to conduct “community-based influenza surveillance” to study and detect the spread of coronavirus

USA Feb 18: HHS announced it would engage with Sanofi Pasteur in an effort to quickly develop a coronavirus vaccine and to develop treatment for coronavirus infections

CHINA Feb 23. Chinese scientists found genomic evidence that the seafood market in Wuhan was not the source of the novel coronavirus. Their genetic data suggests the virus was introduced from elsewhere and had already circulated widely among humans in Wuhan before December 2019, probably beginning in mid- to late November.

USA Feb 24: The Trump Administration sent a letter to Congress requesting at least $2.5 billion to help combat the spread of the coronavirus

USA Feb 26: President Trump discussed coronavirus containment efforts with Indian PM Modi and updated the press on his Administration’s containment efforts in the U.S. during his state visit to India

CHINA Feb 27: On Taiwan TV a prominent virologist explained flow charts suggesting that the coronavirus originated in the US.

USA Feb 29: The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) allowed certified labs to develop and begin testing coronavirus testing kits while reviewing pending applications. The Trump Administration:Announced a level 4 travel advisory to areas of Italy and South Korea; Barred all travel to Iran; Barred the entry of foreign citizens who visited Iran in the last 14 days

USA Mar 3: The Director General of the WHO announced: "While many people globally have built up immunity to seasonal flu strains, COVID-19 is a new virus to which no one has immunity. That means more people are susceptible to infection, and some will suffer severe disease. Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected." This was patently false. The coronavirus mortality rate reported by the media as stated by Dr. Ghebreyesus is completely inaccurate as all subsequent numbers show. The CDC lifted federal restrictions on coronavirus testing to allow any American to be tested for coronavirus, “subject to doctor’s orders.” The White House announced President Trump donated his fourth quarter salary to fight the coronavirus!

CHINA Mar 4: February rail freight loadings rise 4.5% YOY.

USA Mar 4: The Trump Administration announced the purchase of $500 million N95 respirators over the next 18 months to respond to the outbreak of the novel coronavirus. Secretary Azar announced that HHS was transferring $35 million to the CDC to help state and local communities that have been impacted most by the coronavirus

CHINA Mar 5: Shipments to foreign JIT customers upgraded: government subsidizes upgrades from sea to rail delivery and from rail to air delivery.

USA Mar 6: Question: How did the virus come to the United States? Answer:The first known patients in the U.S. contracted the virus while traveling in other countries or after exposure to someone who had been to China or one of the other affected areas. But now, a few cases here cannot be traced to these risk factors. This is concerning because it suggests the illness may be spreading across communities for which the source of infection is unknown, which we call community spread/transmission. Dr. Emily Landon, spokesperson, U Chicago School of Medicine. President Trump signed an $8.3 billion bill to fight the coronavirus outbreak. The bill provides $7.76 billion to federal, state, & local agencies to combat the coronavirus and authorizes an additional $500 million in waivers for Medicare telehealth restrictions

USA Mar 9: HHS staffers often weren’t informed about coronavirus developments because they didn’t have adequate clearance. He said he was told that the matters were classified “because it had to do with China.”

USA Mar 9: President Trump called on Congress to pass a payroll tax cut over coronavirus

USA Mar 10: President Trump and VP Pence met with top health insurance companies and secured a commitment to waive co-pays for coronavirus testing

USA Mar 11: White House classifies coronavirus deliberations. The meetings at HHS were held in a secure area called a “Sensitive Compartmentalized Information Facility,” or SCIF, usually reserved for intelligence and military operations. HHS has SCIFs because theoretically it would play a major role in biowarfare or chemical attacks.

USA Mar 11: President Trump: Announced travel restrictions on foreigners who had visited Europe in the last 14 days; Directed the Small Business Administration to issue low-interest loans to affected small businesses and called on congress to increase this fund by $50bil

CHINA Mar 10: Government organizes and subsidizes bus, rail and air transport for two hundred million migrant workers to return to urban jobs.

USA Mar 12,: CDC director Robert Redfield admits to a House Oversight Committee that some Americans who were diagnosed as dying from influenza tested positive for Covid-19 posthumously.

CHINA Mar 13: Chinese FM’s Lijian Zhao demands US authorities reveal what they’re hiding about the origins of Covid-19. “When did patient zero begin in the US? How many people are infected? What are the names of the hospitals? It might be the US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan. Be transparent! Make your data public! The US owes us an explanation!”

CHINA Mar 16: Ninety percent of businesses expected to resume full operations. All Apple stores open.

USA Mar 18: HHS temporarily suspended a regulation that prevents doctors from practicing across state lines

CHINA Mar 19: No new corona virus cases.

USA Mar 19: President Trump Announced: Very encouraging progress shown by anti-malaria drug Hydroxychloroquine for fighting coronavirus; Carnival Cruise Lines will make ships available for use as hospitals in impacted areas to use for non-coronavirus patients; Vice President Pence announced tens of thousands of ventilators have been identified that can be converted to treat patients; The State Department issued a global level 4 health advisory, telling Americans to avoid all international travel due to coronavirus; President Trump directed FEMA to take the lead on the Federal Government’s coronavirus response & visited FEMA HQ with Vice President Pence for a video call with Governors

USA Mar 20: The U.S. and Mexico agreed to mutually restrict nonessential cross-border traffic; Secretary Mnuchin announced at the direction of President Trump that tax day will be moved from April 15 to July 15 for all taxpayers and businesses; President Trump: Spoke with Sen. Schumer about coronavirus response & stimulus measures; Held a call with over 12,000 small business owners to discuss relief efforts; Announced the CDC will invoke Title 42 to provide border patrol with tools to secure the borders. The Department of Education announced it will: Not enforce standardized testing requirements for the remainder of the school year; allow federal student loan borrowers to stop payments without penalty for 60 days. Secretary Azar announced: FEMA is coordinating and assisting coronavirus testing at labs across the country; The CDC is suspending all illegal entries to the country based on the public health threat, via Section 362 of the Public Health & Security Act; sent a letter to all 50 Governors announcing that the federal government is buying and making available 200,000 testing swabs

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dredger

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Some numbers:
Coronavirus deaths this year: 35,000 (hysteria, panic, crisis...)
Flu deaths this year: 120,000 (business as usual)
HIV/AIDS deaths this year: 412,000 (business as usual)
Cancer deaths this year: 2,000,000 (business as usual)

So if you think there's no pandemic... you're wrong! There's a massive stupidity pandemic going around. Be careful not to catch it!

My parents are like the normal people control group, so they've bought into the self isolation to the point that they don't even go on walks together but take turns going out.
Holy crap, that is pretty stupid (and sad). Sorry to say, but I think they might already be infected. =/ Like, they're trying not to catch a virus they don't have from one another? I hope they can still be saved and returned to sanity.

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For those saying "if there's nothing to this, why are hospitals overflowing?", consider also this (other than that some hospitals are always overflowing and the TV only needs to show you one (and it can be from last year, no problem)):
Before this shitshow started, people just thought they had a flu, so they stayed at home (or went to work) and didn't think much of it. Once the retarded media told them they might have coronavirus and it's terrible and they might die, they started flooding the hospitals. And because the doctors have been brainwashed by the media too, they take all these cases way too seriously and instead of sending the people home with regular flu remedies, they treat them as high priorities. (Which, sadly, will relegate some people with more serious problems to lower priority.)

Everyone and their mother had coronavirus long before January. They didn't panic because nobody told them that they should.

In general, this circus just reminds us that anything can be faked when you own the media.

Much of the deception is as simple as this:
They tell you 500 people died today somewhere.
They don't tell you this is perfectly normal. Some 150,000 people die every day, and there's always something horrible going on somewhere.
The deception is as much in what they tell you as in what they don't.

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Everyone can relax now. It'll all be done pretty soon.
Shit, I almost died laughing when I watched that. (And if I had, they could now legit put "coronavirus" as the cause of death on my death certificate.)
 

biuta

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Hi @biuta, firstly it was just a very broad idea and comparison to something of a past magnitude most similar to now - I didn't mean it to be a replica or exact comparison.



Absolutely, I doubt the recent migrants were shipped back to their original homes either and are probably where they want to be right now, rather than where the authorities may want them to be. It'd be naive and early to rule out future internment, but that said it might not even happen anyway, along with my thought bubble - it was just a thought.

There is an unprecedented reset going on in terms of people's movements globally, with a pandemic used as justification, but there could also be a Second Act once the majority of people are returned home. This is similar but still different to previous global events. Similar that it's of such a magnitude and reach (e.g. WW2), but different technologically, with different geopolitical complexities and economically.
Totally agree. It will definitely get interesting.
 
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