biuta

Jedi Master
It looks like the virulent, often fatal novel corona virus pneumonia complication is a consequence of zinc deficiency! See Emergency Room Doctor Doesn’t Realize Major Signs & Symptoms of COVID-19 Coronavirus Cases Match Evidences of Zinc Deficiency - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com .
Can we sue the entire medical profession for malpractice to recover the world's economic losses from this fiasco? We ought to seize the medical schools!
@griffin do you really think the doctors are at fault for what is happening? Or that suing anybody will get us anywhere??
 

griffin

Jedi Master
FOTCM Member
@griffin do you really think the doctors are at fault for what is happening? Or that suing anybody will get us anywhere??
Doctors should have recognized the symptoms of zinc deficiency and treated it to save those patients. This public health problem is almost six months old now and horrible damages are rapidly mounting.
 

Revolucionar

Jedi Master
FOTCM Member
Did a bit of digging and found that the ratio of the number of positive tests vs all tests has been more or less constant here in Croatia. Right now we're gettin around 70 new positives daily and the authorities are saying that the reason for this flattened curve are the measures instituted to fight the virus. Ridiculous, since we haven't been in lockdown long enough to see a difference. Also, if they find they need to ramp things up, they can just start testing more people.
 

syldan

Dagobah Resident
Where we are - many birds are singing in the dead of night like never before. Crows crowing way before sunrise? Many thoughts come up of a splitting of reality. More specifically the idea of taking the metro in Montreal, and exiting in Moscow. Driving back, I saw erratic manoeuvers and thought of people not seeing the same road that I was seeing!
 

mARTinSky

Jedi Master
FOTCM Member
I understand that the criteria of who is entitled to be tested, etc. are constantly changing but I think that regardless of this it would be good to see if the percentage of infected per number of tested is changing in the same direction and pace as data they base their scaremongering on.
Did a bit of digging and found that the ratio of the number of positive tests vs all tests has been more or less constant here in Croatia. Right now we're gettin around 70 new positives daily and the authorities are saying that the reason for this flattened curve are the measures instituted to fight the virus. Ridiculous, since we haven't been in lockdown long enough to see a difference. Also, if they find they need to ramp things up, they can just start testing more people.
That's exactly why it would be worth to track this ratio so that we could have another argument in our hands while exposing their lies.
 

biuta

Jedi Master
Doctors should have recognized the symptoms of zinc deficiency and treated it to save those patients. This public health problem is almost six months old now and horrible damages are rapidly mounting.
I doubt that we are dealing with a simple matter here or that throughout the World there was only one doctor that saw this and nobody is picking it up. Even if this would be the case, how would suing the medical profession solve the problem? Where would the medical profession get the money to pay for the damage to the World economy? How would we make sure that such a "miss" won't happen in the future? Sorry, but I am not sure I understand your point...
 

Jones

Ambassador
Ambassador
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I'm kind of curious now if there was another motive behind Scott Morrisons trip to Hawaii during the bushfires here in Australia and wondering if the excuse of a holiday was being used to cover up for something else. Once he was in US territory, he could have been taken anywhere by military transport. From what I can gather, he was in Hawaii from the 16th - 20th December 2019.

Added: A 2006 patent for coronavirus, with a 2004 trademark & patent application. Reading through the later, they've been listing applications since April 2003.

Corona Virus timeline

CHINA Nov, 2002:
After its experience with the SARS outbreak in Guangdong Province in 2002, China implemented a rapid response protocol for infectious diseases. The protocol empowered the Health Ministry to assemble professional and managerial help from across the country, established an emergency response coordinating team, prepared funding and authorization for supplies, equipment and emergency health care facilities, anticipating that existing hospitals would be overwhelmed.

USA April, 2004: Patent Application

USA Nov, 2006: Patent SARS coronavirus. Abstract: An outbreak of a virulent respiratory virus, now known as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), was identified in Hong Kong, China and a growing number of countries around the world in 2003. The invention relates to nucleic acids and proteins from the SARS coronavirus. These nucleic acids and proteins can be used in the preparation and manufacture of vaccine formulations, diagnostic reagents, kits, etc. The invention also provides methods for treating SARS by administering small molecule antiviral compounds, as well as methods of identifying potent small molecules for the treatment of SARS.

USA Sep 2008: Though the first cases of H1N1 swine flu were reported in California and Texas in late March, 2009, subsequent genetic analysis suggests that it began six months before it was first detected, in September, 2008, at the start of the ‘flu season. The CDC admits, below, that earlier Covid-19 cases went undetected, too

FIVE YEAR GAP

UK, Saudi Arabia, Jordan Feb/Mar 2013 New Mystery Virus kills 9th Victim, This virus is in the family of coronaviruses, a new virus, previously unknown to mankind, Symptoms of the disease consist of respiratory distress, fever, coughing and difficulty in breathing.

USA Jul, 2015: Patent application lodged for attenuated coronavirus by The Pirbright Institute (UK), application granted November 2018.

USA Jun, 2017: World Bank issues Pandemic Bonds for emergency pandemic financing and pandemic insurance.

USA May, 2018: The President Fires the entire US Pandemic Response Team and does not replace it.

USA Nov 2018: Patent application for attenuated coronavirus (see July 2015) granted.

USA Apr, 2019: An outbreak of severe vaping-associated lung illness is exclusively confined to the United States, despite the fact that the majority of vapers live outside the US.

USA Jul 3, 2019: The CDC halts research at Fort Detrick, citing “national security reasons” for not releasing information about its decision.

USA Jul 14, 2019: Chinese researcher escorted from infectious disease lab amid RCMP investigation. Public Health Agency of Canada describes it as a possible ‘policy breach,’ no risk to Canadian public. The first Chinese to discover or warn about the Covid-19 outbreak?

AUSTRALIA Aug, 2019: Australia Health Management Plan for Pandemic Influenza released.

USA Aug, 2019: First Vaping Death Reported by Health Officials “Amid the lack of information, investigators scrambled to find shared links to the respiratory problems. Officials said earlier this week that many patients, most of whom were adolescents or young adults, had described difficulty breathing, chest pain, vomiting and fatigue,” the precise symptoms of Covid-19 infection.

USA Sep 2019: Recently (2020), a team of Chinese researchers claimed to demonstrate that Covid-19 was born in September, 2019. The British researchers who had discovered the earlier H1N1 date are not convinced.

USA Oct 18, 2019: The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation hosted Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise on October 18, 2019, in New York, NY. Event 201 simulated an "outbreak of a novel zoonotic coronavirus transmitted from bats to pigs to people that eventually becomes efficiently transmissible from person to person, leading to a severe pandemic that leaves 65 million dead.

CHINA Oct 27, 2019 At a peak of international tension and the ‘flu season in the northern hemisphere, on the eve of China’s biggest travel season, 300 American military servicemen visit Wuhan for the International Military Games.

USA Dec, 2019. A Chinese medical researcher is arrested in Boston trying to take biological samples back to China. Zheng Zaosong, of Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, confessed to taking material from a lab in Boston. FBI Special Agent Kara Spice found 21 wrapped vials containing a “brown liquid” that appeared to be “biological material” (samples of post-mortem lung tissue look like ‘brown liquid’). Zheng’s roommate, also a researcher, told FBI agents that two labmates of Zheng had succeeded in getting specimens to China. China, presumably, now went on high alert.

USA/CHINA Dec 2019: Chinese researchers in the USA informed China’s Health Ministry of a novel Coronavirus outbreak there, triggering a readiness alert nationwide. The WHO describes what happened next, “In the face of a previously unknown virus, China has rolled out perhaps the most ambitious, agile, and aggressive disease containment effort in history…China’s bold approach to contain the rapid spread of this new respiratory pathogen has changed the course of a rapidly escalating and deadly epidemic.”

CHINA Dec 26, 2019: Jixian Zhang detects four anomalous pneumonia infections in Wuhan and reports them to the provincial CDC the next day. The provincial authorities immediately inform the national CDC which prepares to implement the pandemic response protocols.

GERMANY Dec 25-Dec 31, 2019: Charité (clinic in Berlin) starts developing test for the new Corona virus after first informal information reaches them. Later sends prototype to China, "unnamed colleagues" in China confirm that it works. WHO then publishes the test on its website as the first test. China develops own test, but demand is high elsewhere - even in Southeast Asia.

CHINA Dec 30, 2019: China’s national CDC notifies the WHO

CHINA Dec 31, 2019: WHO reports Zhang’s discovery to the world.

MALAYSIA Jan 5, 2020: Malaysia’s Assistant to the Prime Minister, Matthias Chang, speculates that the US is waging biological warfare on China.

USA Jan 6: Infectious disease expert Amesh A. Adalja, M.D., senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, agrees, “We are on track to have a season like the 2017-2018 season,” when 80,000 Americans died of flu complications. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) issued a travel notice for Wuhan, China due to the spreading coronavirus

CHINA January 7: China identifies the virus as 2019-nCov and confirms it five days later. President Xi tells officials that the country is on a ‘war footing’

USA Jan 7: The CDC established a coronavirus incident management system to better share and respond to information about the virus

USA Jan 11: The CDC issued a Level I travel health notice for Wuhan, China

CHINA Jan 13: China makes the first 2019-nCov test kits available.

USA Jan 17: The CDC began implementing public health entry screening at the 3 U.S. airports that received the most travelers from Wuhan – San Francisco, New York JFK, and Los Angeles

USA Jan 19: A 35-year-old man presented to an urgent care clinic in Snohomish County, Washington, with a 4-day history of cough and subjective fever. He disclosed that he had returned to Washington State on January 15 after traveling to visit family in Wuhan, China. Apart from a history of hypertriglyceridemia, the patient was an otherwise healthy nonsmoker. On January 20, 2020, the CDC confirmed that the patient’s nasopharyngeal and oropharyngeal swabs tested positive for 2019-nCoV. By Jan. 30, the patient’s symptoms had resolved, according to a New England Journal of Medicine paper. Snohomish County officials allowed him to leave home isolation three weeks later.

USA Jan 20: Dr Fauci announces the National Institutes of Health is already working on the development of a vaccine for the coronavirus

USA Jan 21: The CDC activated its emergency operations center to provide ongoing support to the coronavirus response

USA Jan 23: The CDC sought a “special emergency authorization” from the FDA to allow states to use its newly developed coronavirus test

CHINA Jan 25: Construction begins on a 1,000 bed intensive care hospital in Wuhan.

CHINA Jan 26: China extends Spring Festival holiday to contain the outbreak.

USA Jan 27: The CDC issued a level III travel health notice urging Americans to avoid all nonessential travel to China due to the coronavirus

USA Jan 28: Harvard Chemistry Professor Arrested, Handcuffed, And Accused Of Lying About Ties To China. Charles Lieber, Chair of Harvard’s Department of Chemical Biology, led a Chinese research group focusing on the use of nanotechnology to identify viruses.

USA Jan 29: The White House announced the formation of the Coronavirus Task Force to help monitor and contain the spread of the virus and provide updates to the President

USA Jan 31: The Trump Administration:Declared the coronavirus a public health emergency; Announced Chinese travel restrictions; Suspended entry into the United States for foreign nationals who pose a risk of transmitting the coronavirus. The Department of Homeland Security took critical steps to funnel all flights from China into just 7 domestic U.S. airports

USA Feb 3: The CDC had a team ready to travel to China to obtain critical information on the novel coronavirus, but were in the U.S. awaiting permission to enter by the Chinese government

USA Feb 4: President Trump vowed in his State of the Union Address to “take all necessary steps” to protect Americans from the coronavirus

CHINA Feb 5: First patients moved into new 1,000 bed intensive care hospital.

USA Feb 6: The CDC began shipping CDC-Developed test kits for the 2019 Novel Coronavirus to U.S. and international labs

USA Feb 9: The White House Coronavirus Task Force briefed governors from across the nation at the National Governors’ Association Meeting in Washington

USA Feb 11: The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) expanded a partnership with Janssen Research & Development to “expedite the development” of a coronavirus vaccine

USA Feb 12: The U.S. shipped test kits for the 2019 novel coronavirus to approximately 30 countries who lacked the necessary reagents and other materials; The CDC was prepared to travel to China but had yet to receive permission from the Chinese government

USA Feb 14: The CDC began working with five labs to conduct “community-based influenza surveillance” to study and detect the spread of coronavirus

USA Feb 18: HHS announced it would engage with Sanofi Pasteur in an effort to quickly develop a coronavirus vaccine and to develop treatment for coronavirus infections

CHINA Feb 23. Chinese scientists found genomic evidence that the seafood market in Wuhan was not the source of the novel coronavirus. Their genetic data suggests the virus was introduced from elsewhere and had already circulated widely among humans in Wuhan before December 2019, probably beginning in mid- to late November.

USA Feb 24: The Trump Administration sent a letter to Congress requesting at least $2.5 billion to help combat the spread of the coronavirus

USA Feb 26: President Trump discussed coronavirus containment efforts with Indian PM Modi and updated the press on his Administration’s containment efforts in the U.S. during his state visit to India

CHINA Feb 27: On Taiwan TV a prominent virologist explained flow charts suggesting that the coronavirus originated in the US.

USA Feb 29: The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) allowed certified labs to develop and begin testing coronavirus testing kits while reviewing pending applications. The Trump Administration:Announced a level 4 travel advisory to areas of Italy and South Korea; Barred all travel to Iran; Barred the entry of foreign citizens who visited Iran in the last 14 days

USA Mar 3: The Director General of the WHO announced: "While many people globally have built up immunity to seasonal flu strains, COVID-19 is a new virus to which no one has immunity. That means more people are susceptible to infection, and some will suffer severe disease. Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected." This was patently false. The coronavirus mortality rate reported by the media as stated by Dr. Ghebreyesus is completely inaccurate as all subsequent numbers show. The CDC lifted federal restrictions on coronavirus testing to allow any American to be tested for coronavirus, “subject to doctor’s orders.” The White House announced President Trump donated his fourth quarter salary to fight the coronavirus!

CHINA Mar 4: February rail freight loadings rise 4.5% YOY.

USA Mar 4: The Trump Administration announced the purchase of $500 million N95 respirators over the next 18 months to respond to the outbreak of the novel coronavirus. Secretary Azar announced that HHS was transferring $35 million to the CDC to help state and local communities that have been impacted most by the coronavirus

CHINA Mar 5: Shipments to foreign JIT customers upgraded: government subsidizes upgrades from sea to rail delivery and from rail to air delivery.

USA Mar 6: Question: How did the virus come to the United States? Answer: “The first known patients in the U.S. contracted the virus while traveling in other countries or after exposure to someone who had been to China or one of the other affected areas. But now, a few cases here cannot be traced to these risk factors. This is concerning because it suggests the illness may be spreading across communities for which the source of infection is unknown, which we call community spread/transmission. Dr. Emily Landon, spokesperson, U Chicago School of Medicine. President Trump signed an $8.3 billion bill to fight the coronavirus outbreak. The bill provides $7.76 billion to federal, state, & local agencies to combat the coronavirus and authorizes an additional $500 million in waivers for Medicare telehealth restrictions

USA Mar 9: HHS staffers often weren’t informed about coronavirus developments because they didn’t have adequate clearance. He said he was told that the matters were classified “because it had to do with China.”

USA Mar 9: President Trump called on Congress to pass a payroll tax cut over coronavirus

USA Mar 10: President Trump and VP Pence met with top health insurance companies and secured a commitment to waive co-pays for coronavirus testing

USA Mar 11: White House classifies coronavirus deliberations. The meetings at HHS were held in a secure area called a “Sensitive Compartmentalized Information Facility,” or SCIF, usually reserved for intelligence and military operations. HHS has SCIFs because theoretically it would play a major role in biowarfare or chemical attacks.

USA Mar 11: President Trump: Announced travel restrictions on foreigners who had visited Europe in the last 14 days; Directed the Small Business Administration to issue low-interest loans to affected small businesses and called on congress to increase this fund by $50bil

CHINA Mar 10: Government organizes and subsidizes bus, rail and air transport for two hundred million migrant workers to return to urban jobs.

USA Mar 12,: CDC director Robert Redfield admits to a House Oversight Committee that some Americans who were diagnosed as dying from influenza tested positive for Covid-19 posthumously.

CHINA Mar 13: Chinese FM’s Lijian Zhao demands US authorities reveal what they’re hiding about the origins of Covid-19. “When did patient zero begin in the US? How many people are infected? What are the names of the hospitals? It might be the US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan. Be transparent! Make your data public! The US owes us an explanation!”

CHINA Mar 16: Ninety percent of businesses expected to resume full operations. All Apple stores open.

USA Mar 18: HHS temporarily suspended a regulation that prevents doctors from practicing across state lines

CHINA Mar 19: No new corona virus cases.

USA Mar 19: President Trump Announced: Very encouraging progress shown by anti-malaria drug Hydroxychloroquine for fighting coronavirus; Carnival Cruise Lines will make ships available for use as hospitals in impacted areas to use for non-coronavirus patients; Vice President Pence announced tens of thousands of ventilators have been identified that can be converted to treat patients; The State Department issued a global level 4 health advisory, telling Americans to avoid all international travel due to coronavirus; President Trump directed FEMA to take the lead on the Federal Government’s coronavirus response & visited FEMA HQ with Vice President Pence for a video call with Governors

USA Mar 20: The U.S. and Mexico agreed to mutually restrict nonessential cross-border traffic; Secretary Mnuchin announced at the direction of President Trump that tax day will be moved from April 15 to July 15 for all taxpayers and businesses; President Trump: Spoke with Sen. Schumer about coronavirus response & stimulus measures; Held a call with over 12,000 small business owners to discuss relief efforts; Announced the CDC will invoke Title 42 to provide border patrol with tools to secure the borders. The Department of Education announced it will: Not enforce standardized testing requirements for the remainder of the school year; allow federal student loan borrowers to stop payments without penalty for 60 days. Secretary Azar announced: FEMA is coordinating and assisting coronavirus testing at labs across the country; The CDC is suspending all illegal entries to the country based on the public health threat, via Section 362 of the Public Health & Security Act; sent a letter to all 50 Governors announcing that the federal government is buying and making available 200,000 testing swabs
 

cope

Dagobah Resident
Also, one of the main epidemiologists here just said that his personal opinion about how long this lockdown will be in effect is until early June. These guys are off their rocker. There will be a complete economical and societal collapse by then.
The teacher at school was talking 4 more weeks no school, but worse, like in the Truthstream vid, there are plans to stretch this crisis 18 month, or indefinite like life after 9/11. For this you would simulate a seesaw pattern of outbreaks and lockdown, 2 months off, one month on. Very dystopian.
Look at 20 mins in for what i mean.
 

cassandra

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
It's not that I don't believe you, I'm just checking to see if you have ever worked in a hospital in an area where there was a real flu outbreak before. For example, below is an article that references the 2017-18 season in a couple of areas of the USA.

I just want to say that I love Italy and the Italians. It's a special country, as most would agree, so its plight saddens me. Get well soon!
Just want to understand the whole picture.
 
OK, more fun stuff.

I've noticed that different countries have imposed different rules, and I'm finding the results pretty funny. I've read in this thread how in some countries, people freak out when you get close to them because of this 2m rule. Well, in my country, we have mandatory wearing of face masks for everyone, but somehow no 2m rule. I know in some other countries masks are not mandatory.

I've read comments about local little nazis reporting other people. Here I've heard of a case where some idiot reported a man standing on his own balcony and smoking without a mask. DID I MENTION THERE WAS A STUPIDITY PANDEMIC GOING ON?

Anyway, after reading about the 2m rule in other countries, I watched people in the supermarket today. Interestingly, while everyone has a mask, nobody here seems to be worried about distance. People passing each other and standing next to each other in lines, no problem. Why are they not worried about that? Because nobody told them to.

So the conclusion is that people will worry about whatever the media tell them to worry about, which is hilarious.

So the situation is like this:
- We're all dealing with exactly the same issue.
- Governments impose rather arbitrary sets of rules on their respective populations.
- People freak out about different things, in the same situation, based what their gvt and media tell them to freak out about.

DID I MENTION THERE WAS A STUPIDITY PANDEMIC GOING ON?

Right, I think I did. (BTW, there is no known way to contain this pandemic, so just relax and enjoy the show.)
 

griffin

Jedi Master
FOTCM Member
I doubt that we are dealing with a simple matter here or that throughout the World there was only one doctor that saw this and nobody is picking it up. Even if this would be the case, how would suing the medical profession solve the problem? Where would the medical profession get the money to pay for the damage to the World economy? How would we make sure that such a "miss" won't happen in the future? Sorry, but I am not sure I understand your point...
Yes, of course, correctly diagnosing and successfully treating serious compications of viral infections is an art, so we probably can't sue the medical profession for malpractice. But it would be tempting to try....
 

Revolucionar

Jedi Master
FOTCM Member
That's exactly why it would be worth to track this ratio so that we could have another argument in our hands while exposing their lies.
I'll aim to do that.
But what if that was the goal?
I don't even doubt that it is, but I don't think this guy's in on it. I think he's just too enamored by his newfound authority. the entire country is doing what he says.
The teacher at school was talking 4 more weeks no school, but worse, like in the Truthstream vid, there are plans to stretch this crisis 18 month, or indefinite like life after 9/11. For this you would simulate a seesaw pattern of outbreaks and lockdown, 2 months off, one month on. Very dystopian.
Yeah, actually, as I said earlier, if this "pandemic" warrants such a response, so should the next flu season. They have the perfect pretext and precedent for everything they ever wanted.
 

mamibio74

Jedi Master
FOTCM Member
Hier soir, une amie m'a appelé pour moi dire qu'elle avait eu une bronchite désagréable début février et qu'elle était tombée et s'était fracturée l'épaule. Elle a été emmenée à l'hôpital et a attendu qu'un soignant vienne la chercher. Elle a entendu le secrétaire annuler toutes les opérations. Il n'y avait personne à l'hôpital, les couloirs étaient vides. Ils ont traité sa bronchite (suite à des complications) puis ont opéré son épaule 3 semaines plus tard. Elle m'a dit que les deux fois, il y avait des chambres vides réservées aux cas de coronavirus (elle l'a découvert par une infirmière) La deuxième fois, il n'y avait personne dans les couloirs (comme dans la vidéo proposée par Konstantin). ce n'était pas un hôpital de campagne. Cela s'est passé en Haute-Savoie, France
Did my message go well in English ?
 
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