It's just my opinion but I think the EU hasn't gone far enough with its response to what's happening in Italy.

People moving freely between the EU Zone whilst the outbreak rages WILL unwittingly spread the virus and you'll get cases popping up all over the place. Once the cases present themselves the authorities are then in a race to contain but you wonder how successful they'll be if people are free to move around?

So anyways, my prediction is Covid-19 will start to spread in the EU and anyone in the EU will therefore be at risk of getting it unless you live in the middle of nowhere and don't interact with anyone.

The question then becomes, do you think you can beat it if you get it? I suppose we just have to wait to find out!

In Iran, from outside looking in, it looks like the government noticed the virus at some point a couple of weeks ago, decided not to take out any special actions because maybe they thought it's just like a cold and now it's literally everywhere there. Look at the video of that health minister, he didn't look comfortable at all so I'm still not buying that it's just like having a bad cold!

Anyways, this might all just be a losing battle. The virus, at least for the time being appears unstoppable.
If the C's are right, and they are always right, this virus is not so dangerous as the TV is telling us, the news, etc. The problem is not the virus but what they are doing with it and I think they are exaggerating everything to put fear everywhere for one side and not taking drastic measures at the other side and people are confused because of that. Confusing and putting fear is a Modus Operandi for them, in each situation.
 
Contradictory data is starting to come up showing situations where only 1 case was reported when 50+ were confirmed. I quite like this channel, seems authentic and has genuine original footage from inside Wuhan. One of the clips shows cops stealing donated resources, among other things.
As always, to be taken with a grain of salt, but definitely worthwhile to consider:
 
Are you saying that the measures being put in place to stop the spread of this virus (e.g. lockdowns, travel bans etc) should be stopped as they are creating an atmosphere of hysteria when in reality the virus is no worse than the flu and worst case scenario 1000000 people die which is no big deal because the flu killed 600000 in 2018?
I am saying that soon it will be everywhere. With an incubation time of 2 weeks it is almost impossible to in a globalised world to contain. Let us say that 2 weeks ago, that I got the virus but it is only today that I notice the symptoms, that means that I could have passed it on to thousands of people in that period who again could have passed it on to thousands etc.
If a farmer has a fenced in area for his 10 cows but discovers that 7 of his cows are outside of the fences, then he might wonder after a while about the effectiveness of his fence, especially if the cows keep getting out. That does not mean it was wrong to build the fence in the first place and try to keep them in.

This virus is bad, just like the seasonal flu is bad, not least for those who die from it and their families.

The word pandemic starts with p as in plague and that is perhaps why it is a word that creates fear. The usual flu that hits every season would also qualify as a pandemic, but we don't use that word for it.

The hysteria and the fear is used by the elite to control the masses and distract from other things. It is also as I mentioned in the previous post being used as the culprit for the market crash and economic recession which had been on the cards for a long time. A number of the big players cashed out in the last year and are now ready after the crash to buy out the stocks for pennies again. First they hype the stocks to unreasonable highs, then they sell them, while telling the mums and dads investors to buy as this is the sure way to get rich and then when the market shortly afterwards crashes, they buy the stocks back from those who have lost their life saving. I think it is called pump and dump and part of predatory capitalism run by psychopaths.

So a million people dying is a big deal especially for those involved, but it is nothing out of the unusual. To put it in perspective as Thorbiorn mentioned to me yesterday. The world population grows by 81 million per year, which translates to 1.5 million per week.

On an individual level, take steps to protect yourself. Look to your diet, make sure you have some stocks of food, take extra vit C etc. Even thinking about writing a will is not a bad idea in case things happens to you, so that the state doesn't take everything as they do in some countries. I have had that in mind for a while now, so that if I die, which will happen one day or another, then whatever I have will go to those I love and care for. I think it belongs in the category of bringing one's own affairs in order.
 
What sticks out again and again is the age group of those that dies from the virus. France has recorded the second death on French soil. The first was an 80 year old Chinese tourist around the 15th of Feb and now a 60 year old French citizen has died in a hospital in Paris.

It would be interesting if there was a break down of the age of those who so far have died and to what extent they had previous health issues. I think such information would help calm the fear and anxiety that some have.

Anxiety and fear contribute to bad sleep and sleeping patterns which again weakens the body's immune responses. Good stomach flora is also important for immunity, so occasionally adding some pro biotics to the diet might also be a good idea.
 
Hi all,
John Rappaport is an excellent researcher and writer about viruses and powers-that-be manipulation of such things: Jon Rappoport's Blog « NoMoreFakeNews.com
If you want the deep, deep conspiracy suppositions check out Ben Fulford's few times weekly blog posts. He's in Japan and very well-connected, at least he claims, to deep state actors and White Hats.

I've payed attention to a lot of these false-starts and pandemics over the years, and this one does feel different, but the total blitz of information, disinformation, and panicked suppositions makes it very difficult to discern what's what this time. As many have mentioned already, from the outside looking it it seems very much like a hyped flu, or Influenza Like Illness is the technical term - ILI. Also of note is in the US at least, can't speak for other states, the CDC is complete garbage and not trustable with their numbers. All pneumonia deaths and all ILI deaths are classified as "flu" in the US, so those numbers of 40, 50, 80+ thousand of yearly deaths are not at all majority from the flu. So numbers and verified infections are suspect. At this point, anyone with a sniffle in the infected countries is probably being counted.

There are some very troubling reports coming out of live people being incinerated in China and videos of bodies on the street in the worst hit areas... But I cannot help but notice a few things:
-Old and immune compromised people seem to be worst hit. To me, this then points to - not to downplay - but, more or less a serious ILI and not at all anything to panic over.
- No reports of anywhere I've seen, even in China, of child deaths and healthy adults dead.
- The global system has been teetering on the edge of collapse, the US Corporation is bankrupt, the petro dollar is due to fall, and the stock market is over sold again, and all the banks are over leveraged again even worse than 2008.... So, as many have pointed out, this Corona scare - which could turn out to be a real pandemic, possibly - but it serves the need regardless: blame for the forthcoming crash.

The big questions are still unknown at this time, but with the looming chaos I'm not really that surprised. As the Deep State has become more and more exposed, and more and more of us wake up, there's no way we were going to progress without them putting up one hell of a fight... This is probably the opening shots in whatever that information war looks like.

I think we can look to Doug Adams for the best advice out there these days: Don't Panic... and, of course, bring your towel.

-CME
 
Some scientists are estimating between 40% - 70% of people worldwide will get infected if containment actions fail.


Tucker Carlson has adjusted the death rate down to 0.5% and total number of deaths he has come out with is 27 million people.

That is a significant number and what the world is facing if the virus either doesn't burn itself out or get contained.

The numbers here are scary I'm hoping it'll all just blow over and in a couple of months we'll be here talking about how some of us fell to hysteria and how to correct our reading instruments. In any case, I'd much prefer the future where I'm feeling bad for worrying over nothing than one where millions of people are dying from a virus created in a lab.
 
So from recent information gathered I think the most likely origin of this ‘epidemic’ was 5G radio waves causing a mutation of a coronavirus in an animal reservoir, the original virus could even have cosmic origins but was originally limited to animal hosts.
Coming back to this mention of 5G earlier in the thread, it's not the 'origin' of the outbreak, but it may be an important factor that in some way facilitated the proliferation (and mutation?) of the virus in Wuhan.

According to these Xinhua reports from last year,

Wuhan, capital of Hubei, is one of the first pilot cities of the 5G network in China.

And:

On May 14 [2019], the first 5G smart street-lamp was built in Wuhan, the capital city of Hubei Province, which hosts a radio base station and a number of 5G smart functions.
 
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Coming back to this mention of 5G earlier in the thread, it's not the 'origin' of the outbreak, but it may be an important factor that in some way facilitated the proliferation (and mutation?) of the virus in Wuhan.

According to these Xinhua reports from last year,



And:
Or, toasted and grilled and be less contagious and lethal ? I hope so...
 
China’s Coronavirus. “We Cannot Rule Out Man Made Origin of these Infections”
A Russian Appraisal
By Larry Romanoff and Igor Nikulin
Global Research, February 17, 2020
Region: Asia, Russia and FSU
Theme: History, Media Disinformation, Science and Medicine


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Introductory Note
In earlier articles I related the opinions of biochemists and bio-warfare specialists on the circumstances justifying suspicion of a virus being created in a lab and deliberately released in a foreign country as a means of either low- or high-intensity warfare, or as merely a means of destabilising a nation and perhaps severely damaging its economy, with the loss of life being an added plus. The US is the country that appears most devoted to biological warfare, though a number of other nations are eager participants, including the UK and Israel.
I would remind readers here of the statement from PNAC, in a report titled, “Rebuilding America’s Defenses”, that
“Advanced forms of biological warfare that can ‘target’ specific genotypes may transform biological warfare … to a politically useful tool.” (1)
This subject is difficult to discuss openly in a nation of people, or even within international bodies like the UN. The infliction of such a pathogen onto a nation is clearly an act of war. However, if the leaders have not irrefutable proof of a bio-weapon and its source, and are not prepared for a military response, the only solution is to remain silent and emphasise research on defensive measures in the event of a recurrence. Even with overwhelming circumstantial evidence, a public statement or an accusation would likely be derided as yet another unfounded conspiracy theory. This is essentially the same with disclosure to the UN General Assembly or other such body; an accusation lacking conclusive proof would merely be derided and embarrassing.

This is similarly true with destabilization and violence, as China has very recently experienced in Hong Kong (and which has not yet stabilized), and the violence in Tibet and Xinjiang. The American ‘black hand’ (from the American consulate) was caught red-handed in Hong Kong and sources of funding the HK terrorists are now being identified. There is no dispute anywhere that the violence and terrorism in both Tibet and Xinjiang were American-inspired and funded, but absolute irrefutable proof is lacking. All of these are clearly acts of war but, lacking final proof, responses are limited to defensive measures.

In a previous article on China’s new coronavirus, I referred to a thesis on Biological Weapons by Leonard Horowitz and Zygmunt Dembek who stated that clear signs of a genetically-engineered bio-warfare agent were (a) a disease caused by an uncommon (unusual, rare, or unique) agent, with (b) lack of an epidemiological explanation, i.e. no clear idea of source; (c) An “unusual manifestation and/or geographic distribution”, such as race-specificity; and (d) multiple sources of infection. (2)

China’s coronavirus appears to satisfy all four criteria. This is especially true since it appears that only one Caucasian (and some Japanese) has been infected to date, with the virus so far appearing to be tightly focused to Chinese.

Also the statement by Dr. Leonard Horowitz who quoted one military expert as saying “Even if you suspect biological terrorism, it’s hard to prove. It’s equally hard to disprove . . . You can trace an arms shipment, but it’s almost impossible to trace the origins of a virus that comes from a bug.” Another expert stated that a properly-done release of an infectious agent cannot be traced to its source and might be considered an “act of God”.

In 2003, many Russian medical experts voiced the opinion that the SARS virus was most likely man-made and deliberately released as a weapon. Sergei Kolesnikov, a member of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, said the propagation of the SARS virus might well have been caused by leaking a combat virus grown in bacteriological weapons labs because the natural compound [of contained virus genome sections] was impossible, that the mix could never appear in nature, but could be done only in a laboratory. (3)


At the same time, Nikolai Filatov, the head of Moscow’s epidemiological services, stated he believed SARS was man-made because “there is no vaccine for this virus, its make-up is unclear, it has not been very widespread and the population is not immune to it.” (4) (5)

It appears the Russians may be arriving at the same conclusion for China’s new virus in 2020. The text below consists of a condensed version of an interview conducted by the Russian news portal mk.ru, on January 27, 2020, with Igor Nikulin, a former member of the UN Commission on Biological and Chemical Weapons (1998-2003). (6)

The article begins by noting that the prevalence of the coronavirus in China is increasing, while Beijing takes extraordinary measures to reduce the impact of this disaster. It further states that a number of experts “note strange coincidences in the circumstances” of the emergence of this new infection and are reluctant to exclude an “artificial origin”. Mr. Nikulin was asked to comment on the situation.


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With regard to the interview, we should emphasize that at this juncture of the coronavirus pandemic there is no firm evidence of the use of biological weapons against the People’s Republic of China. This Russian viewpoint is not fully corroborated. Translated from Russian.

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Russian Expert: “We Cannot Rule Out Man Made Origin of these Infections”

Interviewer: in recent years dangerous for humans coronaviruses appear more and more often. What does this have to do with anything?
Nikulin: With these coronaviruses, the situation is really very strange. Until 2000, none of them “jumped on a person.” They have been living next to humans for millions of years, but always only on some animals parasitized. For example, on camels, as in the case of [MERS]. Or on bats, birds, anyone, but this infection did not pass on to a person. And there are already 8 deadly viruses in 20 years. It’s obviously too much.

Interviewer: So we can’t rule out the man-made origin of these infections?

Nikulin: If it was the first outbreak, you’d think it was a natural mutation. But it is hardly natural, because every few years such incidents are repeated. It’s atypical pneumonia, it’s avian flu, it’s swine flu, it’s something else.

Interviewer: Some experts note that the time of the outbreak in China seems to be chosen specifically to cause maximum harm. Just on the eve of the New Year on the Eastern calendar, when in China mass internal migration for the holidays, as well as events with the participation of a large number of people. And the place seemed to be specially [selected]. Historically and geographically, all roads in China lead to Wuhan. It is the largest transport hub, the largest international airport. Through it [planes] fly to the States, Australia, Japan, the Middle East, Paris, London, Moscow. Besides these coincidences, what can prove the artificial origin of the virus?”

Nikulin: Just deciphering the genome. Its results may show if it is a virus of natural origin, or laboratory, when some recombinant “piece” is inserted into the gene . . . there are modern computer programs [that] allow you to read all this, decipher and compare with the samples available in databases.

Interviewer: Is it possible that the new coronavirus only affects people of Chinese nationality? So it’s set on certain features of the human gene?

Nikulin: If it turns out that this is indeed the case, then such a natural mutation cannot be accurate. It’s mathematical proof that it’s an artificially created virus.

Interviewer: In which labs can it appear?

Nikulin: I can only assume. But look: China, like Russia, is surrounded by American research biolaboratories. They are in different countries along the perimeter of China’s borders – in Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Taiwan, Philippines, South Korea, Japan. They were in Indonesia, but they closed them. And wherever there are these American biolaboratories, or near them, there are outbreaks of new diseases, often unknown. Threats to the local population are simply ignored by Americans. The main thing is that it was away from the territory of the United States.

Interviewer: How many foreign biolaboratories do the U.S. have?

Nikulin: It’s 400.

Interviewer: They are overseen by the Pentagon?

Nikulin: Of course. It’s all funded from the Pentagon budget. Therefore, it is not necessary to say that peaceful humanitarian research is being carried out there. Do you think the Pentagon’s money is being spent on peaceful research? No one is allowed in. These are military labs. When more than a hundred people died in Georgia near such a laboratory within one month, do you think someone was allowed to go there? No one was allowed into the American laboratory at all.

Those countries that consider themselves victims of bioterrorism should investigate all these cases and bring them up for international discussion. For example, to the UN Security Council. To raise the issue of the activities of American biolaboratories outside the United States. We have to do something. Because a lot of people are already suffering from it. And in general, it is necessary to strengthen the biosecurity of the country.
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Larry Romanoff is a retired management consultant and businessman. He has held senior executive positions in international consulting firms, and owned an international import-export business. He has been a visiting professor at Shanghai’s Fudan University, presenting case studies in international affairs to senior EMBA classes. Mr. Romanoff lives in Shanghai and is currently writing a series of ten books generally related to China and the West. He can be contacted at: 2186604556@qq.com. He is a frequent contributor to Global Research.
Notes
(1) Project for the New American Century
(2) Project for the New American Century - SourceWatch
(3) Alexander Batalin,RIA Novosti SARS Confirmed As Manmade - Possible BioWeapon
(4) New Improved SARS BioWeapon Tested in China? – Veterans Today | Military Foreign Affairs Policy Journal for Clandestine Services
(5) News 24,
(6) https://www.mk.ru/science/2020/01/2...errorizma-v-rasprostranenii-koronavirusa.html
The original source of this article is Global Research
Copyright © Larry Romanoff and Igor Nikulin, Global Research, 2020
 
On twitter a friend find this and send it to me, it's a weird coincidence

A book by Dean Koontz, titled THE EYES OF DARKNESS and published in 1981 accurately predicted the outbreak of the coronavirus in China, even naming the very city in China it will begin from

An other guy mentionned that in 2008, the name of the virus was renamed as Wuhan-400 instead of Gorki-400 in a new edition of the book

 
Contradictory data is starting to come up showing situations where only 1 case was reported when 50+ were confirmed. I quite like this channel, seems authentic and has genuine original footage from inside Wuhan. One of the clips shows cops stealing donated resources, among other things.
As always, to be taken with a grain of salt, but definitely worthwhile to consider:
If you go to their About Us page, then look them up on Wikipedia...

New Tang Dynasty Television (NTD) is a television broadcaster, founded by Falun Gong practitioners, based in New York City...

In January 2020, NTD's Japanese channel shared a video on YouTube of a Chinese doctor collapsing in the operating room; it falsely asserted that the doctor was in Wuhan and had collapsed from coronavirus. A fact check by France 24 found that the original video had been published by The Beijing News, of a doctor who had collapsed from overwork and hypoglycemia, not coronavirus, and that the video was filmed in Yunnan province, which at the time had reported no cases of COVID-19.
 

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