Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?

[Ina]

Or it is just a test run for something really big and really dangerous that they know will come in the future and this is a good opportunity to make one huge-scale experiment and see how people and institutions will react on a threat like this.
Just a thought that came to my mind.

I was speaking to my sister in Bucharest (Romania) this morning and let me tell you that you are not the only one that has this thought. Actually she was quite upset because so far they had 58 deaths from seasonal flu this season, but nobody cares about that. I am also thinking that it is at least strange as to a population of at least a million chinese in South Africa we have’t had any reported case yet.

 

[Andrian]

I hope like you hope! It all depends on people‘s common sense. Regarding the hotel business, maybe advertizing that Vit C and Echinacea, will be provided daily and included in the price of the accommodation will spark some interest?

It's a very good idea, though I'm afraid the owners aren't inclined in this direction, mostly I'm afraid because of the money they already lost, they won't spend money for extra expenses...

 

[DianaRose]

To me, it looks like the PTB used the spread of this not a very dangerous virus just to oppress people, share fear and hysteria among the population and mostly to make a big economic crisis. Fear and hysteria will make economics decline. I think that this was their main goal.
It started in China and China is the biggest economy in the world now, then in Northern Italy which is an area that has a very developed industry.

I don't have any real arguments but I feel that economic crisis and cutting people's rights with the excuse that they are protecting their lives is the main goal of all this.

Or it is just a test run for something really big and really dangerous that they know will come in the future and this is a good opportunity to make one huge-scale experiment and see how people and institutions will react on a threat like this.
Just a thought that came to my mind.

Yes, I agree with the economic crisis argument. The economy is already bad, with cuts and stores/ factories closing everywhere. But the way people are overreacting is making it even worse. When the actual crisis comes, they'll be able to say, "oh, it's all because of the coronavirus." It's all ridiculous.

But I do wonder what will happen the actual economic crisis will come? I mean, will it be kind of like a slash that deepens and deepens, until there's blood squirting or will it be more like a massive shock, destroying everything in one go? Frankly, the news keep on talking about the virus, but personally, I'm more concerned by the economy. Mass joblessness will have massive consequences on an already disharmonious society. I would think that the clash between left and right will implode around that time due to the stress of people not having jobs.

Also, are we looking at infrastructures not working relatively soon after the economic goes burst and this causing issues with basics such as gas/ electricity. There's also the food issue, with potentially supermarkets not being refilled. And then, there's housing. I'm not sure how bad it'll get or rather how quickly. But if the crisis comes and jobs go, that we can't pay rent, when this state is reached, will it at a point where it won't matter because society has disintegrated to such a state that we have other things to worry, or will there be risk of eviction?

 

[Ina]

It's a very good idea, though I'm afraid the owners aren't inclined in this direction, mostly I'm afraid because of the money they already lost, they won't spend money for extra expenses...

Be strong Andrian! No matter what your role is there you can inspire strength and good spirit, be there, offer suggestions and support. Anyone that comes to a hotel, does that because they trust that place for what they can afford to pay. Ok people might have cancelled from panic or other reasons. There will be other people that will need to travel and will chose the hotel you work at if they see it is run by people that can adapt to the situation. Preventive medication even a doctor on call these nice to have options can be organized and always inspire trust of being taken care of.

 

[Ina]

Yes, I agree with the economic crisis argument. The economy is already bad, with cuts and stores/ factories closing everywhere. But the way people are overreacting is making it even worse. When the actual crisis comes, they'll be able to say, "oh, it's all because of the coronavirus." It's all ridiculous.

But I do wonder what will happen the actual economic crisis will come? I mean, will it be kind of like a slash that deepens and deepens, until there's blood squirting or will it be more like a massive shock, destroying everything in one go? Frankly, the news keep on talking about the virus, but personally, I'm more concerned by the economy. Mass joblessness will have massive consequences on an already disharmonious society. I would think that the clash between left and right will implode around that time due to the stress of people not having jobs.

Also, are we looking at infrastructures not working relatively soon after the economic goes burst and this causing issues with basics such as gas/ electricity. There's also the food issue, with potentially supermarkets not being refilled. And then, there's housing. I'm not sure how bad it'll get or rather how quickly. But if the crisis comes and jobs go, that we can't pay rent, when this state is reached, will it at a point where it won't matter because society has disintegrated to such a state that we have other things to worry, or will there be risk of eviction?

Dianarose, life is unpredictable. Bad stuff can happen even in the best of times! You are thinking about the economic crisis. Well, from all books I read the World has continuously been in a crisis or another. My mother was telling me in early January, be careful it is going to be a crisis. How on earth did she know? She’s in her 80 s, and listens to the radio because she’s almost blind. I have an idea that if everyone hears more than three times, and from the same source about the same thing, that thing has increased potentiality to actually occur. So I say, acknowledge what everyone is talking about but believe and act only according to your internal compass, and only to better the situation. Try keep an equilibrium of informed action instead of going on the easy down spiral of what if if disaster a, b, c,...

 

[WIldWolf2012]

More infections in germany... There is nothing more to buy for desinfection and no mouth protections...
People starting to buy big amounts of food...

 

[DianaRose]

Dianarose, life is unpredictable. Bad stuff can happen even in the best of times! You are thinking about the economic crisis. Well, from all books I read the World has continuously been in a crisis or another. My mother was telling me in early January, be careful it is going to be a crisis. How on earth did she know? She’s in her 80 s, and listens to the radio because she’s almost blind. I have an idea that if everyone hears more than three times, and from the same source about the same thing, that thing has increased potentiality to actually occur. So I say, acknowledge what everyone is talking about but believe and act only according to your internal compass, and only to better the situation. Try keep an equilibrium of informed action instead of going on the easy down spiral of what if if disaster a, b, c,...

Yes, this is something I often think about. Even if there wasn't an economic crisis coming, bad stuff, random stuff could happen anyway, like getting in a car accident, catching an illness...etc. And you're absolutely right, the world has always been in crisis and war. I think it just that in the modern area, a kind of complacency fell over society, and I feel like the general attitude is "It can't happen here".

Often when I broach the subject of the economy or the possible outcome of the LGBT propaganda or other issues with family members and others while they agree with me, they don't truly believe that situation can become catastrophic. They don't think it can affect them personally.

 

[SOTTREADER]

@Aeneas, you're the perfect devil's advocate to my perception of this virus. You're making me think and question my outlook :)

Am I afraid? Maybe. One thing I know for sure is I'm powerless to control what fate will decree so I have to accept the situation.

I'm just observing for the time being, my daily routine remains the same.

You want to hear a conspiracy theory? A crazy one? I think the virus is here in the UK and spreading in communities, I think it's even here in my city and people I interact with everyday have it but they think it's just a flu or a cold. Until recently the UK government won't test for the virus unless you satisfy 2 conditions

- Been to Wuhan
- Had contact with an infected person

So they won't test but recently they have added randomised tests in 100 representative GPs in the country to see if there's community spread in progress that they haven't spotted.

In the UK and US, they don't want a situation of fear, quarantines and the like because first and foremost, the financial markets must be protected.

 

[SOTTREADER]

Ultimately, I think there's a bottom line to this shenanigans.

The bottom line is what the virus actually does to you. If it is just like having a cold that your body will get over in 2 weeks or so, then in the end all the hysteria and fear will disappear.

However, if it is not like having a bad cold and people end up incapacitated, in hospital or dying then I think society will break down until it reconfigures itself adequately to cope with the situation.

The other thing to note, the authorities have lost this battle. The virus has won. They can't stop it from spreading, it's just a matter of time before it gets pretty much everywhere.

So now the question is what's the true objective damage the virus causes to the body which then links in to my first two points.

That's how I see it.

The situation won't just vanish to thin air like a bad dream upon waking.

Ps, also remember that there is now data coming out of China of reinfections. That is, people who have been cured coming back to hospital and testing positive again.

In China all cured people are now put in 2 week quarantine before they are free to leave.

 

[loreta]

Ultimately, I think there's a bottom line to this shenanigans.

The bottom line is what the virus actually does to you. If it is just like having a cold that your body will get over in 2 weeks or so, then in the end all the hysteria and fear will disappear.

However, if it is not like having a bad cold and people end up incapacitated, in hospital or dying then I think society will break down until it reconfigures itself adequately to cope with the situation.

The other thing to note, the authorities have lost this battle. The virus has won. They can't stop it from spreading, it's just a matter of time before it gets pretty much everywhere.

So now the question is what's the true objective damage the virus causes to the body which then links in to my first two points.

That's how I see it.

The situation won't just vanish to thin air like a bad dream upon waking.

Ps, also remember that there is now data coming out of China of reinfections. That is, people who have been cured coming back to hospital and testing positive again.

In China all cured people are now put in 2 week quarantine before they are free to leave.

Forget about this virus, just take care of your health, vit. C, Iode, Bicarbonate, etc. We have 12 coronavirus patients in Spain, this is not a tragedy. We are not in a Stephen King novel, we are in a reality that tells us that this virus is not sooooo dangerous what is dangerous are the politicians that are the most devilish virus on this planet. So because they will not help us, try to put food and water in your house and take vitamines and renforce your inmune system. It is the only way. Be obsessed by this virus is what they want, so do the contrary. Look, think, relativise, put on perspective, and be grateful to be alive.

 

[Aeneas]

The Corona virus has a lot in common with the Global Warming scare. A lot of terrifying worst case scenarios and fear porn with little correlation with observable facts. Greta, Fridays for Future, The Extinction Protocols etc. were meant to scare the big Jezus out of people and in the process make people submit to draconian economic policies to of course "save the planet"...for the grandchildren. Yet the response has fizzled out somewhat. Many sceptics are getting a voice, resistance to windmill installations and renewable energy (like in Germany) and nature is being annoyingly resistant to the melt down as modeled on the GIGO computers.

Then the Corona virus leaks out from a lab in China who are being less than open about this lapse in safety procedures and it is seen by the elite as an opportunity change the doomsday scenario from Global warming onto the 'killer pandemic from hell'. This keeps the fear porn and hysteria at heightened levels, sceptics are sidelined or named deniers, people will submit to much finer controls, the virus is blamed for elite's rape of the economy and the people will look to authorities for hope, help and guidance. Oh, and while it dies down over the summer months, next years souped up flu++vaccine will be so much easier to sell and mandate on the world population, thus weakening them even further for when a real pandemic hits.

As Laura wrote in an article about Transmarginal Inhibition:

Pavlov demonstrated that when Transmarginal Inhibition began to take over a dog, a condition similar to hysteria in a human manifested. The applications of these findings to human psychology suggest that for a "conversion" to be effective, it is necessary to work on the subject's emotions until s/he reaches an abnormal condition of fear, anger or exaltation. If such a state is maintained or intensified by any of various means, hysteria is the result. In a state of hysteria, a human being is abnormally suggestible and influences in the environment can cause one set of behavior patterns to be replaced by another without any need for persuasive indoctrination. In states of fear and excitement, normally sensible human beings will accept the most wildly improbably suggestions.

Added: Forgot to make the point that like global warming, the Corona virus works wonders as distraction from the real issues, like Assange, the killing of free speech, the censorship of information, the Yellow vests and the destruction of the middle class, the increase in fireballs, massive earthchanges, the pedophilia in high places etc.

 

[Ina]

Ultimately, I think there's a bottom line to this shenanigans.

The bottom line is what the virus actually does to you. If it is just like having a cold that your body will get over in 2 weeks or so, then in the end all the hysteria and fear will disappear.

However, if it is not like having a bad cold and people end up incapacitated, in hospital or dying then I think society will break down until it reconfigures itself adequately to cope with the situation.

The other thing to note, the authorities have lost this battle. The virus has won. They can't stop it from spreading, it's just a matter of time before it gets pretty much everywhere.

So now the question is what's the true objective damage the virus causes to the body which then links in to my first two points.

That's how I see it.

The situation won't just vanish to thin air like a bad dream upon waking.

Ps, also remember that there is now data coming out of China of reinfections. That is, people who have been cured coming back to hospital and testing positive again.

In China all cured people are now put in 2 week quarantine before they are free to leave.

Thinking along the line of reinfection, which I believe it is more like testing positive for the virus after recovery, I remembered testing positive for malaria for some time after three consecutive treatments. I had a pretty bad one. Most likely the treatment is not effective enough?

 

[SOTTREADER]

Forget about this virus, just take care of your health, vit. C, Iode, Bicarbonate, etc. We have 12 coronavirus patients in Spain, this is not a tragedy. We are not in a Stephen King novel, we are in a reality that tells us that this virus is not sooooo dangerous what is dangerous are the politicians that are the most devilish virus on this planet. So because they will not help us, try to put food and water in your house and take vitamines and renforce your inmune system. It is the only way. Be obsessed by this virus is what they want, so do the contrary. Look, think, relativise, put on perspective, and be grateful to be alive.

Loreta, here is another interesting piece of information. When you read about the number of confirmed cases in any country, you also need to ask yourself how many were tested.

For example the US has 60 confirmed cases but they've only tested around 450.

The testing is not given to anyone. Depending on the country, you have to satisfy certain criteria to be tested.

So when you read the numbers, also ask yourself out of how many? If it's 12 confirmed cases out of 12 tests, the obviously the assessment you make is different to if it's 12 cases out of 1000000 tests!

I hope that makes sense.

A metaphor... If a tree falls in the forest but no one is there to hear or see it, did the tree actually fall down?

 

[Aeneas]

The testing is not given to anyone. Depending on the country, you have to satisfy certain criteria to be tested.

Do you think that it is reasonable that the test is not given to everyone?
Here is a bit from the news:

German tourist returning from northern italy asked for covid19 test and was first refused, then would have to pay 300EUR himself to get tested

That is what hysteria does to people and he wasn't even in the affected area.

In looking up what a test costs, someone said it was equally to the cost of the normal flu test. That is in the US at a cost of $150 on average according to this site. Let us say it only cost $10 if done on the cheap and all medical staff volunteer their time. The US has 320 million people. Would you not in order to make America great again, test all Americans? Sure and how could you even think of excluding some people from it when human extinction is just around the corner. $3.2 billion!

Now you would want to do that every week to make sure to catch those who got infected in between due to travel etc. So you will be out of pocket for $3.2billion a week every week forever. Tough on China with a population almost 5 times as great and India! Good for shareholders in test kit manufacturers or vaccine producers!

So while lots of money can be used for testing and testing millions and millions of people, other health services will suffer and millions will die as the health budget has been diverted towards the non-pandemic virus. The UK has a population of 67 million. I am sure that Boris will be happy to fork out £670 million, knowing how close to his heart the UK NHS is and the people will surely happily forgo treatment for other ailments or at least get their treatment postponed indefinitely.

There is a practical side to it all.

 

[Corvus]

My friend lives in Zagreb, Croatia, and says that shelves in the store are half or completely empty, no disinfectants or masks to buy either.
The prime minister urges people not to panic but no use....

I actually liked this article; not sure if his numbers match but sounds right :)
_Ugledni hrvatski znanstvenik objasnio kolika je doista šansa da se zarazite koronavirusom: "Ovi podaci sve govore"

It is all just amazing how from the blue sky most media started spreading panic 24/7, some mainstream media on other hand said the panic was spread without real cause, etc....now they are setting up quarantines and what if you disobey going there? they will use force?

Even more interesting is the panic and fear reaction of most people, acting like mindless zombies falling for every piece the media utters. Seems like a training run for when the real thing comes into place be it deadly virus or some kind of natural disaster like earthquake they are really expecting for. Now the military sent calls to all above 18 who are not registered to be registered in service evidence, so it all seems lika a "coincidence".

Yes, I agree with the economic crisis argument. The economy is already bad, with cuts and stores/ factories closing everywhere. But the way people are overreacting is making it even worse. When the actual crisis comes, they'll be able to say, "oh, it's all because of the coronavirus." It's all ridiculous.

Where I live the crisis is almost 30 years, little less then my age and things are still rolling up by the tread, not really wanting it to roll forever.

But if the crisis comes and jobs go, that we can't pay rent, when this state is reached, will it at a point where it won't matter because society has disintegrated to such a state that we have other things to worry, or will there be risk of eviction?

In that case you won t have much to worry about.