In the article below, the very fact that they deny that the virus was "made in a lab" makes everything else they say suspect; problem is, we don't have enough data to know how suspect and in what direction! But overall, what clues they do give are quite helpful:

Maybe it wasn't made in a lab, but fiddling around in a lab probably contributed to the making of it. This article does admit "Evidence suggests that the virus passed through an intermediate animal before infecting humans. "

They also admit: "About 81% of people who are infected with the coronavirus have mild cases."

They also say: "About 13.8% report severe illness, meaning they have shortness of breath, or require supplemental oxygen, and about 4.7% are critical, meaning they face respiratory failure, multi-organ failure or septic shock."

That probably means that the number of cases that get counted are this 13.8%. If so, the death rate is WAAAY lower for the infection overall.



12 Coronavirus myths busted by science

By Live Science Staff 15 hours ago

As the novel coronavirus continues to infect people around the world, news articles and social media posts about the outbreak continue to spread online. Unfortunately, this relentless flood of information can make it difficult to separate fact from fiction — and during a viral outbreak, rumors and misinformation can be dangerous.

Here at Live Science, we've compiled a list of the most pervasive myths about the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19, the disease it causes, and explained why these rumors are misleading, or just plain wrong.

Myth: Face masks can protect you from the virus
Standard surgical masks cannot protect you from SARS-CoV-2, as they are not designed to block out viral particles and do not lay flush to the face, Live Science previously reported. That said, surgical masks can help prevent infected people from spreading the virus further by blocking any respiratory droplets that could be expelled from their mouths.

Within health care facilities, special respirators called "N95 respirators" have been shown to greatly reduce the spread of the virus among medical staff. People require training to properly fit N95 respirators around their noses, cheeks and chins to ensure that no air can sneak around the edges of the mask; and wearers must also learn to check the equipment for damage after each use.

Myth: You're waaaay less likely to get this than the flu
Not necessarily. To estimate how easily a virus spreads, scientists calculate its "basic reproduction number," or R0 (pronounced R-nought). R0 predicts the number of people who can catch a given bug from a single infected person, Live Science previously reported. Currently, the R0 for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes the disease COVID-19, is estimated at about 2.2, meaning a single infected person will infect about 2.2 others, on average. By comparison, the flu has an R0 of 1.3.

Perhaps, most importantly, while no vaccine exists to prevent COVID-19, the seasonal flu vaccine prevents influenza relatively well, even when its formulation doesn't perfectly match the circulating viral strains.

Myth: The virus is just a mutated form of the common cold
No, it's not. Coronavirus is a large family of viruses that includes many different diseases. SARS-CoV-2 does share similarities with other coronaviruses, four of which can cause the common cold. All five viruses have spiky projections on their surfaces and utilize so-called spike proteins to infect host cells. However, the four cold coronaviruses — named 229E, NL63, OC43 and HKU1 — all utilize humans as their primary hosts. SARS-CoV-2 shares about 90% of its genetic material with coronaviruses that infect bats, which suggests that the virus originated in bats and later hopped to humans.

Evidence suggests that the virus passed through an intermediate animal before infecting humans. Similarly, the SARS virus jumped from bats to civets (small, nocturnal mammals) on its way into people, whereas MERS infected camels before spreading to humans.

Myth: The virus was probably made in a lab
No evidence suggests that the virus is man-made. SARS-CoV-2 closely resembles two other coronaviruses that have triggered outbreaks in recent decades, SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV, and all three viruses seem to have originated in bats. In short, the characteristics of SARS-CoV-2 fall in line with what we know about other naturally occurring coronaviruses that made the jump from animals to people.

Myth: Getting COVID-19 is a death sentence
That's not true. About 81% of people who are infected with the coronavirus have mild cases of COVID-19, according to a study published Feb. 18 by the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention. About 13.8% report severe illness, meaning they have shortness of breath, or require supplemental oxygen, and about 4.7% are critical, meaning they face respiratory failure, multi-organ failure or septic shock. The data thus far suggests that only around 2.3% of people infected with COVID-19 die from the virus. People who are older or have underlying health conditions seem to be most at risk of having severe disease or complications. While there's no need to panic, people should take steps to prepare and protect themselves and others from the new coronavirus.

Myth: Pets can spread the new coronavirus
There is no evidence that pets, such as cats and dogs, can even be infected with the coronavirus, let alone spread it to humans, according to the World Health Organization. "However, it is always a good idea to wash your hands with soap and water after contact with pets," they wrote. Those actions protect you from common bacteria, including E.coli and Salmonella, that can spread from pets and humans.

A dog in Hong Kong tested "weak positive" for the new coronavirus, according to a statement from the Hong Kong Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department on Feb. 28. But scientists aren't sure if the dog was actually infected with the coronavirus or if it picked up the virus from a contaminated surface with its mouth or nose. As a precaution the dog was taken under quarantine, but the dog has no symptoms and there's no evidence that it could infect humans.


Myth: Lockdowns or school closures won't happen in the US
There's no guarantee, but school closures are a common tool that public health officials use to slow or halt the spread of contagious diseases. For instance, during the swine flu pandemic of 2009, 1,300 schools in the U.S. closed to reduce the spread of the disease, according to a 2017 study of the Journal of Health Politics, Policy and Law. At the time, CDC guidance recommended that schools close for between 7 and 14 days, according to the study.

While the coronavirus is a different disease, with a different incubation period, transmissibility and symptom severity, it's likely that at least some school closures will occur. If we later learn that children are not the primary vectors for disease, that strategy may change, Dr. Amesh Adalja, an infectious disease expert at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in Baltimore, previously told Live Science. Either way, you should prepare for the possibility of school closures and figure out backup care if needed.

Lockdowns, quarantines and isolation are also a possibility. Under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code § 264), the federal government is allowed to take such actions to quell the spread of disease from either outside the country or between states. State and local governments may also have similar authority.

Myth: Kids can't catch the coronavirus
Advertisement

Children can definitely catch COVID-19, though some early statistics suggest they may be less likely to catch the virus than adults are. As of Wednesday (Feb. 26), Italy had diagnosed 400 cases of COVID-19, including five cases in children ages 4 to 19, according to the Guardian. A Chinese study from Hubei province found that of more than 44,000 cases of COVID-19, about 2.2% involved children under age 19. By contrast, children are typically more likely to contract influenza in any given year, compared with adults.

However, the number of diagnosed coronavirus cases in children may be an underestimate — in case studies from China, children seemed less likely to develop severe disease, Live Science previously reported. Thus, it's possible that many children could be infected and passing the disease along, without showing many, or any, symptoms.

Myth: If you have coronavirus, "you'll know"

No, you won't. COVID-19 causes a wide range of symptoms, many of which appear in other respiratory illnesses such as the flu and the common cold. Specifically, common symptoms of COVID-19 include fever, cough and difficulty breathing, and rarer symptoms include dizziness, nausea, vomiting and a runny nose. In severe cases, the disease can progress into a serious pneumonia-like illness — but early on, infected people may show no symptoms at all.


U.S. health officials have now advised the American public to prepare for an epidemic, meaning those who have not traveled to affected countries or made contact with people who recently traveled may begin catching the virus. As the outbreak progresses in the U.S., state and local health departments should provide updates about when and where the virus has spread. If you live in an affected region and begin experiencing high fever, weakness, lethargy or shortness of breath, or or have underlying conditions and milder symptoms of the disease, you should seek medical attention at the nearest hospital, experts told Live Science.

From there, you may be tested for the virus, though as of yet, the CDC has not made the available diagnostic exam widely available.

Myth: The coronavirus is less deadly than the flu
Advertisement

So far, it appears the coronavirus is more deadly than the flu. However, there's still a lot of uncertainty around the mortality rate of the virus. The annual flu typically has a mortality rate of around 0.1% in the U.S. So far, there's a 0.05% mortality rate among those who caught the flu virus in the U.S. this year, according to the CDC.

In comparison, recent data suggests that COVID-19 has a mortality rate more than 20 times higher, of around 2.3%, according to a study published Feb. 18 by the China CDC Weekly. The death rate varied by different factors such as location and an individual's age, according to a previous Live Science report.

But these numbers are continuously evolving and may not represent the actual mortality rate. It's not clear if the case counts in China are accurately documented, especially since they shifted the way they defined cases midway through, according to STAT News. There could be many mild or asymptomatic cases that weren't counted in the total sample size, they wrote.

Myth: It's not safe to receive a package from China

It is safe to receive letters or packages from China, according to the World Health Organization. Previous research has found that coronaviruses don't survive long on objects such as letters and packages. Based on what we know about similar coronaviruses such as MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV, experts think this new coronavirus likely survives poorly on surfaces.


A past study found that these related coronaviruses can stay on surfaces such as metal, glass or plastic for as long as nine days, according to a study published Feb. 6 in The Journal of Hospital Infection. But the surfaces present in packaging are not ideal for the virus to survive.

For a virus to remain viable, it needs a combination of specific environmental conditions such as temperature, lack of UV exposure and humidity — a combination you won't get in shipping packages, according to Dr. Amesh A. Adalja, Senior Scholar, Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, who spoke with Live Science's sister site Tom's Hardware.

And so "there is likely very low risk of spread from products or packaging that are shipped over a period of days or weeks at ambient temperatures," according to the CDC. "Currently, there is no evidence to support transmission of COVID-19 associated with imported goods, and there have not been any cases of COVID-19 in the United States associated with imported goods." Rather, the coronavirus is thought to be most commonly spread through respiratory droplets.

Myth: You can get the coronavirus if you eat at Chinese restaurants in the US
No, you can't. By that logic, you'd also have to avoid Italian, Korean, Japanese and Iranian restaurants, given that those countries have also been facing an outbreak. The new coronavirus doesn't just affect people of Chinese descent.
 
I´ve played with numbers a little.
I took top 3 centers of the deseace and put down the calculations according to Wiki data and current corona status from Operations Dashboard for ArcGIS.


Hubei (China)
58 500 000 population (from 2015)
66337 confirmed cases --> 0.113% of region population
2727 deaths --> 4.111% of infected
--> in overall, 0.005% of the peoople in Hubei died from corona

South Korea
51 709 098 population (2019 estimate)
3150 confirmed cases --> 0.006% of region population
17 deaths --> 0.54% of infected
--> in overall, 0.000033% of the peoople in Korea died from corona

Italy (Lombardy and Veneto)
10078012 + 4905000 = 14 983 012 population (2019 estimate)
Here I took general numbers for Italy because I havent found exactly the number per region, that means that the percantages below are even less....
889 confirmed cases --> 0.006% of regions population
21 deaths --> 2.362% of infected
--> in overall, 0.00014% of the peoople in Italy provinces died from corona
 
There is another aspect that shouldn't be underestimated in terms of the hysterics and the effect on the economy. It seems that business leaders and company chiefs in all fields are now rather worried about their companies and understandably so. As it stands now, the simple fact is, if a corona case breaks out in your company (at least here in germany), all hell breaks loose financially speaking for that company. The company will be forced to close down for weeks and months on end. Can you imagine what this means for pretty much every company nowadays and especially the smaller ones? Financial ruin...

I'm bringing that up since I can see it in my own company. The chiefs are worried that the company will be closed down do to Corona and have already let the employees know that they should avoid shaking hands and so forth. Even if company leaders don't believe in the hype, the simple fact of the matter is that their companies run the risk of sinking fast if such a case happens in the company. So they are literally under pressure to go along.

Yes, slowly and steadily the panic is creeping in. Also in my work clients start to refuse to give hands, one colleague is likely to refuse a visit from some friends in Italy. Beside also one big Outdoor exhibition in Nuremberg got canceled for the coming week and is delayed for an unknown time. The panic and overall chaos will be used and enhanced from the governments, most likely to create further restrictions and control. And who knows what this further attracts from the cosmos.
 
Regarding Germany, I think it's pretty much a nailed on certainty now.


The government is preparing it looks like and perhaps communications have been sent to companies.

Germany is a power house so maybe it won't be bad.

As a minimum though, if I was living in Germany, I would be getting ready now. In particular, I'd check what the situation with work would be if it hit the region I work in or if they had to close because some employees came down with it.

If I had kids, I would check what child care options are like if schools shut down.

If I had a job paid by the hour, I would check what the options are if you can't work because of the closedown. What about things like rent? If you don't get paid for 2 weeks or 4 weeks, are your finances strong?

Also, goes without saying in any hit area, people will immediately rush to supermarkets. So I'd just make sure you had enough to miss that initial rush. Food doesn't seem to be a problem though if you go by italy... It's just that there is an immediate hysterical rush to stock up which would be nice to avoid.

In short, I think if you're in Germany, it's probably best if you start thinking about this now rather than wait until you hear you can't go to work or can't leave your town because the police have shut it off.

ps, if you read that article written on 26 Feb, the total cases in Germany were 18. Now, they are 79 and growing. This tells you which way the wind is blowing.
 
Myth: If you have coronavirus, "you'll know"

No, you won't. COVID-19 causes a wide range of symptoms, many of which appear in other respiratory illnesses such as the flu and the common cold.

So it's possible that hundreds of millions of people have already been infected with COVID-19 and assumed it was a flu or cold and got better and never reported it. So we can thrown ALL "infection rates" and "mortality rates" out the window. Mainstream media reports that cite specific numbers for these rates are complete BS artists (what's new).
 
Even if company leaders don't believe in the hype, the simple fact of the matter is that their companies run the risk of sinking fast if such a case happens in the company. So they are literally under pressure to go along.

Indeed, and this shouldn't be underestimated. This got me thinking about the reasons everybody takes this so seriously, even in China, Iran and Russia - maybe part of it is kind of a game theory conundrum: if there is even the smallest chance that this virus IS something serious, or develops into something serious, and this actually happens, and people believe their leaders haven't done enough, this could mean political suicide, even for Putin, China's leaders and the Iranian government. Especially the economic aspect kind of compels them to do something about it, no matter whether they believe there's an actual threat or not. Even if it turns out to be harmless, because the worries alone can bring the economy to a halt. So they MUST do something to show they take it seriously. Tragically, this further fuels the hysteria, which is the reason they must do something in the first place. It's kind of a prisoner's dilemma where the self-interest of those involved - political leaders, business people, media etc. - leads to a bad outcome. Maybe that's part of it at least?
 
Indeed, and this shouldn't be underestimated. This got me thinking about the reasons everybody takes this so seriously, even in China, Iran and Russia - maybe part of it is kind of a game theory conundrum: if there is even the smallest chance that this virus IS something serious, or develops into something serious, and this actually happens, and people believe their leaders haven't done enough, this could mean political suicide, even for Putin, China's leaders and the Iranian government. Especially the economic aspect kind of compels them to do something about it, no matter whether they believe there's an actual threat or not. Even if it turns out to be harmless, because the worries alone can bring the economy to a halt. So they MUST do something to show they take it seriously. Tragically, this further fuels the hysteria, which is the reason they must do something in the first place. It's kind of a prisoner's dilemma where the self-interest of those involved - political leaders, business people, media etc. - leads to a bad outcome. Maybe that's part of it at least?

Well, the odds are that the whole thing will fizzle pretty soon. And people will be really angry that they were panicked by their own governments. And then, next time... well, it might mean that people will NOT listen to warnings when it is important.
 
Here is a clip on Russia's recent actions


Basically, Russia takes swift and decisive actions at the smallest sign of anything regarding this virus. As you can expect, they have imposed various and all encompassing travel restrictions to current epidemic centers, including the emerging hotspots.

They place foreign nationals arriving from affected regions into quarantine. If you break the quarantine, you are deported.


In general the Russian government is acting in a way to give there citizens maximum confidence.

In short, Putin masterclass.
 
Last edited:
There are some people in Germany starting to comment in this thread.

So, when we look at 'official' numbers, the confirmed cases in Germany are now making 'small leaps' everyday.

This morning, we are on 75 confirmed cases. By the end of the weekend it'll probably be over 100.

In all countries where the virus has officially exploded within, the pattern in the same - it starts with a few isolated cases, then it stays like that for a while, it then starts to jump by a handful of cases but hold steady. From there, it explodes! This is the pattern. Germany, this is what awaits.


The Robert Koch Institute which is monitoring the influenza situation in Germany writes:

"Further information on the influenza season 2019/20. Since week 40, 2019, 572 influenza viruses have been identified within the framework of the virological sentinel surveillance of the Influenza Working Group of the Robert Koch Institute, including 263 ( 46 %) influenza A(H1N1)pdm09 and 246 (43 %) influenza A(H3N2) and 63 ( 11 %) influenza B viruses. Since the 40th MW 2019 a total of 98,442 laboratory confirmed influenza cases have been transmitted to the RKI. In 16,720 (17 %) cases, it was stated that the patients were hospitalised. 301 outbreaks with more than five cases have been transmitted to the RKI so far, including 53 outbreaks in hospitals. Since week 40, 2019, a total of 161 deaths with influenza virus infection have been reported to the RKI, including 146 with influenza A detection, 14 with influenza B detection and one with a detection that is not differentiated by influenza type (A/B). 85% of the deaths were 60 years or older. The flu epidemic in Germany started in the 2nd week of 2020 and has been continuing since then, the peak of this year's flu epidemic seems to have been passed."

So there have been 161 influenza deaths in Germany this winter up to this point.

If there was any kind of contagion Germans should be worried about, it must be influenza.
 
In general the Russian government is acting in a way to give there citizens maximum confidence.

And it seems to work. I haven't seen any signs of panic in Russia, so far at least. Public places such as trade and entertainment centers are full of people. I haven't seen people wearing masks anywhere, except for very rare cases. They don't discuss the coronavirus with each other and just live and work as usual, making plans for vacations abroad, etc.

Will see how it goes. Tomorrow is the first day of spring, so hopefully with more sunshine and more vitamin D, this virus will feezle out soon.
 
Well, the odds are that the whole thing will fizzle pretty soon. And people will be really angry that they were panicked by their own governments. And then, next time... well, it might mean that people will NOT listen to warnings when it is important.

Your comment brings to mind what I have seen happen in back to back hurricanes. Frenzy of fear for one that turns out to be mild, soon thereafter comes the Whopper that no one took seriously.
 
So there have been 161 influenza deaths in Germany this winter up to this point.
It's not that simple. That concerns reported deaths, and whatever specific criteria the RKI used to match a given death with the specific virus causing the current flu 'epidemic' in Germany.

In reality, they can never know exactly how many people died from 'flu type X' or similar viruses. The best they can do is look back, after the fact, sometimes years later, and make estimates by isolating factors which, they hope, can narrow the numbers down to show only those deaths resulting from the specific virus culprit they're focusing on.

This is from the RKI in 2018, looking back on the 2014/2015 flu season in Germany:

In a severe flu epidemic, as in the 2014/2015 season, more than 21,000 deaths were estimated. However, even moderate influenza outbreaks can claim the lives of several thousand people who die as a result of the infection.

And this is from the RKI in 2005 (concerning the 2004/2005 flu season, and an even more deadly flu season a decade before that):

Flu Killed 20,000 Last Winter

Even as thousands of chickens are locked into cages to protect them and the people who eat them from the bird flu, it's the every day human flu that was responsible for thousands of deaths in Germany last year, according to the Robert Koch Institute in Berlin. Continually underestimated by the public, the last flu season was responsible for as many as 20,000 deaths, the institute announced before recommending people get flu shots before the winter gets underway.

Though the institute's Brunhilde Schweiger said it's impossible to forecast how serious the coming winter will be, the average flu season claims the lives of between 5,000 and 8,000 people. Germany experienced its worst flu wave in the winter of 1995/96, when influenza killed 30,000 people. The elderly, people suffering from asthma, and those who have heart problems or diabetes are at most risk and should definitely make a flu-shot appointment, according to institute officials.
 
I'm aware of several people (physicians) in Miami area with very bad colds who wonder if it is Corona. No testing or screening being done as far as they know. No way to know how many exposed, if so. That is a lively, highly interacting area with a lot of international visitors out and about.
 

Trending content

Back
Top Bottom