Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?

Earlier in the thread I mentioned that Australia had set up a National Cabinet to deal with the virus etc, and how that was usually done in times of war.

I missed this April article where Scott Morrison has stated that he would like to keep the National Cabinet because it 'cuts through a lot of bureaucracy' and is a better federal model.

www.sbs.com.au

Scott Morrison considers making National Cabinet permanent

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has indicated he is open to the idea of the National Cabinet continuing to meet after the coronavirus crisis.
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Basically a National Cabinet means that parliament must comply with the directions of the National Cabinet as though the country is at war.

One of the aims of 2030 as I've been told, but haven't checked for myself, is to get rid of state government leaving just federal and local government. So it's also interesting to note that amongst everything else that's going on, Victoria has done an independent trade deal with China that has caused a bit of a stir because it was done without fully consulting the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade.

www.theage.com.au

'Flagrantly reckless': Victoria signed China infrastructure deal without consulting DFAT

Senior foreign policy officials are concerned Victoria's deal could undermine Australia's push to counter Beijing's growing influence in the region.
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So apart from anything else, these border closures between the states could be political posturing in regards to state government members attempting to keep their relevance and positions if getting rid of state government is one of the aims behind this National Cabinet.
 
Cordillera said:
It seems that today is the day to let off steam.

I have published few things on Facebook, so as not to overwhelm with so much information that contradicts the official version. I thought that in this way I could reduce the cognitive dissonance of the people who read me. Very few times I have gone to comment on the posts of friends and family, to give them a different point of view. At best, they don't answer me. Others have told me that it only remains for me to believe that the earth is flat. And another told me that he did not admit my doubt about the pandemic, because his mother nurse was fighting a pandemic and that is all the evidence he needs. Today a person commented in the family WhatsApp group that my country had more infections than China and that a municipality was buying graves for the poor dead by Covid-19. I told him that he cannot stay with the headline of the news and it was necessary to look for explanations so that a small country has more infections than China (I gave several possible reasons). My brother commented that it is stressful that I gave so many cross hypotheses, that sharing statistical interpretations with everyone is stressful, that it was a fact that in France quarantine had managed to lower infections and that theories must be discussed among specialists, because between ordinary citizens is exhausting. Well, I replied that his stress was due to cognitive dissonance and I stated that what is at stake in humanity today is our consciousness and not the extermination of our lives. He replied that it was I who had cognitive dissonance, that I seek information to confirm my point of view, that I flood with information, that the theory of mass manipulation by the elite media is questioned as incomplete and that people she is not stupid if she knows how to consume media.
By the way, today I received a water service technician without a mask, so my girlfriend told me that I put her at risk, that the pandemic is a reality since there are people in our environment who are infected, who only think of me , that I am a hippie and that I had to follow his point of view or I had to leave the house.

So I wonder if I'm doing the right thing, if I'm wrong, if I'm denying the facts, if I'm just looking for information that confirms my point of view, if I'm being selfish, if in fact all my friends and family are right and me wrong.

I only have one comforting thought: I'd rather have doubts than certainties.

Parece que hoy es el día para desahogarse.
Yo he publicado pocas cosas en Facebook, para no abrumar con tanta información que contradice la versión oficial. Pensé que de esa forma podía aminorar la disonancia cognitiva de las personas que me leen. Muy pocas veces he ido a comentar los post de amigos y familiares, para darles un punto de vista distinto. En el mejor de los casos, no me contestan. Otros me han dicho que solo falta que crea que la tierra es plana. Y otro me dijo que no admitía mi duda sobre la pandemia, porque su mamá enfermera estaba peleando contra una pandemia y esa es toda la evidencia que necesita. Hoy una persona comentaba en el grupo de Whatsapp familiar, que mi país tenía más contagiados que China y que un municipio estaba comprado tumbas para los muertos pobres por Covid-19. Le dije que no se puede quedar con el titular de la noticia y habia que buscar explicaciones para que un país pequeño tenga más contagiados que China (di varias posibles razones). Mi hermano comentó que es estresante que yo diera tanta hipótesis cruzada, que compartir interpretaciones estadísticas con todo el mundo es estresante, que era un hecho que en Francia la cuarentena había logrado bajar los contagios y que las teorías se deben discutir entre especialistas, porque entre ciudadanos de a pie es agotador. Bueno, contesté que su estrés se debía a la disonancia cognitiva y exptesé que lo que está en juego hoy en la humanidad es nuestra consciencia y no el exterminio de nuestras vidas. Me contestó que era yo el que tenía disonacia cognitiva, que busco información para confirmar mi punto de vista, que inundo de información, que la teoría de la manipulación de masas por parte de los medios de la élite está cuestionada por incompleta y que la gente no es tonta si sabe consumir medios.
De paso, hoy recibí sin mascarilla a un técnico del servicio de agua, por lo que mi novia me dijo que la ponía en riesgo, que la pandemia es una realidad ya que hay personas de nuestro entorno que están contagiadas, que sólo pienso en mí, que yo soy un hippie y que tenía que seguir su punto de vista o me tenia que ir de la casa.
Entonces me pregunto si estoy haciendo lo correcto, si estoy equivocado, si me estoy negando a los hechos, si sólo busco información que confirma mi punto de vista, si estoy siendo egoísta, si en realidad todos mis amigos y familiares están en lo correcto y yo equivocado.
Sólo tengo un pensamiento reconfortante: prefiero tener dudas que certezas.
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I think what you express is something that many of us are living. My sister also thinks I am an hippie. :lol2:

There is this article by Peter Koenig that talks about how now all people that put in doubt the official version of corona is see as a " conspiracy theorist! ". He give some very good examples that this is not new, when we look at History. He also talks in this article about how bad is the economical situation... And this is just the beginning.

Courage! What is important is to believe that telling the truth it is something we do because we believe in truth. But yes, sometimes is better to not insist with people that later will attack you. The authoritarians can be dangerous, we know that.

The article of Koenig gave me courage. I think that every time we try to give information about all of this is important, not just for others but for us and as an extension, for humanity.

Here is the article.
Facts Vs. Fake. A Worldwide Lockdown of Everything - Global Research


It starts as this :


Do you know who coined the curse, “conspiracy theory” or accusation, “you are conspiracy theorist!” – It was nobody less than the CIA in the 1950s, to silence those who saw through the lie of the Cold War against the Soviet Union. This was a complete lie by US war strategists, to install fear in the population in general and in Europeans in particular and to boost the American Military Industrial complex – and presenting a constant threat to the communist Soviet Union.

A complementary phrase developed in the last years is “fake news” — people who are saying well-founded truths, are being accused of spreading “false news” – and that by the very media that spread the real false news and lies in the first place. A dystopian world indeed, and most of the public doesn’t capture it.
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itellsya said:
And possibly related, although maybe not directly - it's not clear - this tweet that was deleted from the UK Civil Service's Twitter account: ""Arrogant and offensive. Can you imagine having to work with these truth twisters?""
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That's a clue to the pressure on Cummings stemming from the 'deep state' or 'permanent govt'. They're just fine with British politics returning to 'business-as-usual'; inane, phony 'national debates' about 'what the govt is doing wrong', which distracts/deflects from the real conversation about the barmy decision to go into 'lockdown' in the first place.

Secondarily, yes, it's a PR problem for the official Johnson govt to have had one of its members betray the fact that at least some among the public representatives of govt don't actually believe there's a 'killer virus' out there. So British people ought to get angry about that, and then come to the logical conclusion that it's all a farce. But instead they're railroaded by Labour and the govt's political opponents, including the media of course, into demanding stricter compliance with the lockdown/pandemic 'rules', which reinforces the 'new normal' of the 'Corona World Order'.
 
loreta said:
Talking about intelligence versus truth: a good friend of mine is very intelligent, he is a doctor of computing and teach in a Spanish University but he is also a moron. I love him very much but he is still a moron because he believes 150% what the medias are saying and hope we will be vaccinated all of us! And he hope it will be mandatory! Because I love him as a friend I just keep silent and listen to his non-sense and decided not to argue with him, I have too many books to read instead of arguing to an intelligent-moron friend. There is nothing you can do with that.

My sister is also intelligent but far away for discerning the truth, truth is not important for her, she is too intelligent. So she wrote to me the other day: dear Loreta I hope you are ok, I think about you but I will not call you nor talk to you because we are not having the same ideas about this corona. Bye.

Oh well.
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Interesting you mentioned about this moron friend. Since this CoronaMadness broke out I have found it quite difficult to spend any time with these previous “cinnamon bun” friends, and it feels like all I have for friends so to speak are the people in this forum, and the natural interactions with my family. There are a few people on FB with their eyes open, but they are hardly a part of my daily life. I can really sense a line drawn in the sand.

The challenge now is to remember that these events around us serve more importantly as the reminders / shocks / alarm clocks for us – wake up calls for us to look at ourselves and reassess or reaffirm our own aims, as well as face those internal issues in front of us, including making efforts to grow. I know that mustering up the courage to do that work on the self is not easy, and it is fairly easy to just follow these incredible events around us (these events can also serve as a distraction from working on the self).

The line in the sand is drawn now, wheat-from-the-chaff separating time, and for me anyway it has been the time to remove those moronic influences that easily distract me from my purpose, which is to grow as a human being (easier said than done). Writing this is more a reminder to myself than anything else, as I am not suggesting others to "remove influences" or drop friends or anything. I have noticed relationships where the feeding behaviour and exploitation is definitely present, with me a willing participant. The upside of this is that there is more room for things that are most important, whilst remembering not to waste the newly freed-up time and energy.
 
Jefferson said:
Interesting you mentioned about this moron friend. Since this CoronaMadness broke out I have found it quite difficult to spend any time with these previous “cinnamon bun” friends, and it feels like all I have for friends so to speak are the people in this forum, and the natural interactions with my family. There are a few people on FB with their eyes open, but they are hardly a part of my daily life. I can really sense a line drawn in the sand.

The challenge now is to remember that these events around us serve more importantly as the reminders / shocks / alarm clocks for us – wake up calls for us to look at ourselves and reassess or reaffirm our own aims, as well as face those internal issues in front of us, including making efforts to grow. I know that mustering up the courage to do that work on the self is not easy, and it is fairly easy to just follow these incredible events around us (these events can also serve as a distraction from working on the self).

The line in the sand is drawn now, wheat-from-the-chaff separating time, and for me anyway it has been the time to remove those moronic influences that easily distract me from my purpose, which is to grow as a human being (easier said than done). Writing this is more a reminder to myself than anything else, as I am not suggesting others to "remove influences" or drop friends or anything. I have noticed relationships where the feeding behaviour and exploitation is definitely present, with me a willing participant. The upside of this is that there is more room for things that are most important, whilst remembering not to waste the newly freed-up time and energy.
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In part you are right. My moronic friend is really a good friend, he is really a good guy and I know him since more than 30 years and because I love him as a friend I accept his limitations. But you are right, some people are there just to make noise, contradict you, stop your evolution, etc. And we can see this now very clearly. I truly feel at home here, in this forum. Those moronic people, brain washed humans are really disturbing but I always ask myself: if I had not been a member of this forum, without any kind of information like we have, without the possibility to learn and think, I would have been moronic me too.
 
Keep in mind that NewScientist is a propaganda rag for the left psychos and this looks pretty much like your average fear-mongering fantasy written by a moron. Nevertheless, something might be gleaned from this.

www.newscientist.com

Coronavirus seems to reach the brain. What could this mean for us?

From loss of smell to stroke, people with covid-19 are reporting strange neurological issues that challenge our understanding of the disease – and how to treat it
www.newscientist.com www.newscientist.com
Coronavirus seems to reach the brain. What could this mean for us?
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From loss of smell to stroke, people with covid-19 are reporting strange neurological issues that challenge our understanding of the disease – and how to treat it

JENNIFER FRONTERA has been treating people in intensive care for years. But she has never experienced anything like covid-19 before. “These patients are absolutely among the sickest any of us have ever encountered,” says the New York-based doctor. But the strange thing is, Frontera isn’t a lung disease specialist or a virologist, she is a neurologist. And it is the possible impact of the coronavirus on our brains that is worrying her.

It was early in the outbreak in New York that Frontera and her colleagues began to notice neurological symptoms in those with covid-19. People were passing out before they were hospitalised. Once in hospital, some of them started having unusual movements. Some had seizures and others had strokes.

Similar reports are coming in from hospitals around the world. Some neurological symptoms appear to be mild, such as the loss of smell and taste. At the other end of the spectrum, a few people have developed encephalitis – a potentially fatal inflammation of the brain.

It is a surprising discovery in a disease that was generally considered to attack the airways, and one of pressing concern. One big question is how the new coronavirus is causing these kinds of symptoms. Growing evidence suggests that the virus may work its way into the brain, directly attacking neurons. If that is the case, we may need to reconsider some of the treatments being developed for covid-19. And we must also prepare for potential long-term and chronic neurological conditions in some survivors.

Millions of people globally have now been infected with the new coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, but we are still learning how it works. What we do know is that it can be spread by droplets from an infected person and seems to latch on to receptors on cells in people’s airways.

That might be the end of the story for the many infected people who experience either mild symptoms or none at all. But some will get very sick, showing flu-like symptoms that can progress to a severe pneumonia that leaves them struggling to breathe.

The official symptoms listed by the World Health Organization (WHO) initially included fever, tiredness, dry cough, sore throat, shortness of breath, aches and pains and, sometimes, a runny nose or nausea or diarrhoea. But in response to growing reports of people losing their sense of taste and smell, the WHO and US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have expanded their lists of symptoms to include the loss of these senses. A study of 214 people hospitalised with the virus in China has found that 5.6 per cent had a temporary loss of taste, while 5.1 per cent had a temporary loss of smell.

Reports from Europe suggest that these symptoms may be more common. A survey of 417 people treated at 12 hospitals across Belgium, France, Spain and Italy found that around 86 per cent experienced some change in their ability to smell, and 89 per cent had a “reduced or distorted” ability to taste flavours.

Other neurological symptoms are also showing up. Some people with covid-19 experience headaches and dizziness. Those with more severe illness can suffer seizures and strokes – even young people with no underlying conditions. Such outcomes are thought to be rare, although we don’t have exact numbers. An assessment of 214 people hospitalised with covid-19 in China found that around 6 per cent of those with severe disease developed a condition that affected blood supply to the brain. “We’ve seen strokes and bleeds in the brain,” says Frontera, who is based at NYU Langone Hospital – Brooklyn. There have also been a handful of reports of brain inflammation and brain damage in people with severe cases of covid-19.

In some diseases, neurological damage is a knock-on effect of other problems within the body, not caused by the pathogen attacking the nervous system directly. But in this case, it is also possible that the virus could be working its way into the brain and nervous system. Plenty of other viruses that infect humans do this, including coronaviruses.

Pierre Talbot at the National Institute of Scientific Research in Quebec, Canada, has been studying coronaviruses since the 1980s. Much of his work has focused on two coronaviruses that are known to infect humans: HCoV-OC43 and HCoV-229E. Both often cause the common cold.

Finding a way in

We know that both can enter the nervous system and brain. “When I put [OC43] in the nose of mice, the virus goes straight to the brain through the olfactory nerve,” says Talbot. “And when it gets to the brain, it spreads to all areas of the brain.” Here, the virus can kill neurons and cause encephalitis.

Similar effects have been observed, but very rarely, in people infected with OC43. Talbot points to the case of an 11-month-old boy with a weak immune system who died with encephalitis. A biopsy revealed OC43 in his brain, implicating the virus.

When Talbot and his colleagues looked for 229E and OC43 in brain tissue from 90 people who donated their bodies to science, they found at least one of the two coronaviruses, and sometimes both, in almost half of the samples. Forty-four per cent of them had 229E in their brains and 23 per cent had OC43.

The SARS virus, another coronavirus similar to SARS-CoV-2, seems to act in similar ways. The first SARS outbreak took place between 2002 and 2003, claiming about 8000 lives. Like the coronavirus that causes covid-19, the SARS virus also causes lung disease and can lead to fatal pneumonia in about 10 per cent of those infected. But autopsies performed after the outbreak ended revealed that the virus could get into the brain. In 2005, a team looked at eight people who died with SARS and found the virus in all their brains.

And when researchers infected mice with SARS via their noses, they later found the virus in the animals’ brainstems. The brainstem sits between the brain and spinal cord and regulates our breathing. “You can imagine that could further worsen the respiratory failure of these patients,” says Igor Koralnik at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine in Chicago, who studies diseases that infect the central nervous system.

What about the new coronavirus? A few reports claim to have found the virus in the cerebrospinal fluid of people with covid-19, which suggests it is getting into the brain and nervous system, says Avindra Nath at the US National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke.

But there is a chance that the virus could get into a sample of this fluid without affecting the brain. If the virus is in a person’s blood, this might contaminate the sample taken during a spinal tap, for example.

It is also possible that neurological symptoms may be caused by a lack of oxygen. People who die with covid-19 have a lot of damage to their lungs. The surfaces of small air sacs become thickened, making it harder for oxygen to get into the blood, says Sanjay Mukhopadhyay at Cleveland Clinic in Ohio.

This may also explain why those who survive covid-19 after being treated on a ventilator can show signs of brain damage in scans, says Frontera. This damage is probably a result of the brain being starved of oxygen.

The body’s own immune response to an infection could also be to blame for damage to the brain. An overreaction of the immune system can lead to what is known as a cytokine storm – an extreme activation of immune cells that can lead to more inflammation, and damage organs.

But based on the evidence we have so far, it is reasonable to assume the virus is getting into the brain, says Nath. If that is true, it is vital we learn how the virus is attacking the brain. “It will make a huge difference [to how we treat patients],” he says.

At the moment, many antiviral treatments being developed for covid-19 will focus on getting the medication to the lungs. Getting drugs to the brain is an entirely different challenge. For a start, any treatments will have to cross the blood-brain barrier – a protective layer in the brain that controls what can get in. Most drugs can’t do this. “It would be a totally different treatment approach,” says Nath.

“Based on the evidence we have, it looks as if the virus is entering the brain”

If the virus is accessing the brain, it could have long-term neurological consequences. We know that some viruses can hide in neurons, reactivating to cause disease later in life. Herpes simplex viruses, for example, typically cause cold sores or genital blisters. But in some people, they can trigger inflammation of the brain. Once a person has been infected, the virus lays low in their neurons and can reactivate throughout life.

“It’s not impossible that [the coronavirus] could have the same kind of persistence in the brain,” says Talbot. “We have seen OC43 and 229E in the brains of humans, and the virus seems to be hiding there – it’s possible that upon reactivation they could cause neurological disease.”

Some neurological effects are likely to have a lasting impact on people who recover from covid-19. Strokes and seizures can cause brain damage with long-term consequences, for example, and many of those who experience such outcomes will need follow-up care and rehabilitation.

The virus could also cause longer lasting secondary problems. Some might be in the form of post-viral fatigue syndromes.

There is also concern about Guillain-Barré syndrome, which is characterised by poorly functioning peripheral nerves. “It’s like an ascending paralysis,” says Nath. “It starts with the feet and goes up.” Some cases are temporary, but other people experience lasting disability and it can even be fatal.

There is growing evidence that Guillain-Barré can develop in some people who recover from covid-19. So far, there have been reports of this in several countries. For example, across three hospitals in northern Italy, over a three-week period in March, doctors noted five cases of Guillain-Barré out of between 1000 and 1200 people treated for covid-19. “That’s very significant. About a thousand times more than what you’d expect in the population [in the absence of covid-19],” says Koralnik. “We’re probably going to see many more such cases.”

It isn’t clear who is at risk of developing neurological symptoms or secondary disorders. But what is clear is that many people who are hospitalised with covid-19 and then recover will need to be followed up by healthcare providers, possibly for years.

Some of Frontera’s ventilated patients are already showing signs of severe brain damage. “The possibility of them waking up seems extremely low,” she says. The prospects for less severely affected people are still unclear. “We’re still learning about covid,” she says. “It will take a few months before we have a good idea of the prognosis.”

Apart from a temporary loss of smell and taste, most of the neurological effects seem to only occur in very severe cases of covid-19. Although we don’t yet have exact figures, it seems that only a very small fraction of people experience damage to their brain and nervous system. But it is possible that, for some people, brain effects will be lasting, says Nath. “Brain diseases can really affect who we are – they can change our personality, can affect the way we walk and move and cause all kinds of long-term consequences,” he says. “Even if it’s only in a small percentage of individuals, the devastation can be quite phenomenal. We should not take it lightly.”




Post-mortem problems
Autopsies on people who died after having covid-19 will help to clear up many of the questions about whether the coronavirus can enter the brain and what it does there (see main story). But so far, only a handful of these examinations have been performed. “A lot of autopsy suites are not equipped to handle this kind of infection,” says Avindra Nath at the US National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke. “A lot of institutions have refused to do autopsies on these patients.”

And for those that are performing autopsies, getting hold of brain tissue can be particularly challenging, says Desiree Marshall at the University of Washington, Seattle. “Removing the skull requires the use of a bone saw that produces aerosols [that could contain the virus],” she says. Such procedures should be performed in autopsy suites with special extraction systems that prevent air from passing to other rooms, and pathologists need adequate protective gear.
Marshall’s team has so far performed four brain exams of people who died with covid-19. Of those, one appears to show signs of damage, with very small bleeds on the surface of the brain and in the brainstem.

Direct effects?

Michael Osborn, who oversaw the development of mortuary services at the newly created Nightingale Hospital at London’s Excel Centre, has also been looking for post-mortem signs of damage inflicted by covid-19. So far, he and his team have performed full autopsies on six bodies. From these, they have discovered changes to blood vessels in the brain, which affect the amount of oxygen-rich blood that can get in. In these cases, brain tissue appears to have died because it hasn’t received enough oxygen. But it is difficult to know whether this is a direct effect of the virus reaching the brain or a consequence of breathing difficulties.

Both teams will be looking for the virus itself in brain tissue. But that won’t be easy, either. “Brain tissue takes a long time to process,” says Osborn. Together, these challenges mean that we still don’t know if the coronavirus is directly attacking brain cells. “We haven’t found virus in the brain yet, but I wouldn’t be surprised if other groups do,” says Marshall.



Organ impacts
Covid-19 is first and foremost a disease of the airways, causing severe harm in the lungs.

But doctors have been seeing signs of damage right across the body. While hospitals were attempting to increase the number of ventilators they had, they were running out of dialysis equipment for covid-19 patients experiencing kidney failure.

Gastrointestinal problems have been seen too. And while many people are thought to die from a lack of oxygenated blood as a result of their breathing difficulties, some of these people are in fact dying with multi-organ failure, such as damage to the heart and liver.

What is going on? It is possible that the virus behind covid-19 is reaching multiple organs by travelling through the bloodstream, says Sanjay Mukhopadhyay, at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio. The virus is known to get into the lungs, which have a rich blood supply. “It’s very easy for these infections to get into the bloodstream,” he says. “Once the virus is in the blood, it can get to any organ.”

Whether the virus is directly damaging those organs is another question. Organ failure frequently results from serious illness, often as a result of the actions of the body’s own immune system. Ventilated people, struggling to get enough oxygen into their blood, are particularly at risk, says Mukhopadhyay. “When people develop that degree of severe lung injury, many other organs fail,” he says. “This is not unique to covid.” Pathologists including Mukhopadhyay, are now beginning to look for the presence of the virus in organs donated by people who died with the disease.
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Here's an update about Russia. A bit about corona-crisis and some more background explanation. Hopefully it will clarify some of the questions regarding Russia's response to the corona-crisis and Putin's "inaction". Sorry if it will be too long.

In the previous posts in this thread I mentioned what economic experts like Khazin, Glaziev and others said about what has been happening in Russia, and how there is a power struggle going on between factions at the moment. Between the economic liberalism faction and the patriotic faction.

Since then I listened and read some more, and it appears that there is a reason why quarantine and restrictions were initiated and promoted in Russia, specifically in April. As many probably know, on 22nd of April Russians were supposed to vote on the changes to the Constitution. And at the time according to polls the vote was going to be predominantly "yes" to the changes.

Then the restrictrictions were instituted, and the voting was postponed. Now, considering the great damage to the economy, and especially to the regular people, small and medium businesses, the views have changed, and many people are angry, and if the vote would take place now, it's quite possible that many people would vote differently.

And that's the most interesting thing about it. In the West the most known change in the new Constitution is that Putin's term may be nullified. In fact, local liberals and Western media say that this was probably the plan and the only reason for the changes in the first place. But that's inaccurate. Apparently many of the changes are intended to "free" Russia of the foreign control and give more power to the patriotic (conservative) faction.

While thanks to Putin there have been a lot of positive changes in Russia, and also increase of Russia's influence around the world, from the economic point of view Russia's management hasn't changed since the 90's.

One important factor that has to be considered, that Yeltsin chose Putin because he didn't belong to either of the many factions that were in power at the time. And it was like a personal revenge to his Western masters. Putin was chosen and seen as "an arbitrator", but they underestimated his personal abilities.

So many things were changed, but the economic model remained the same. There are many reasons for it, and unfortunately I don't have enough knowledge to explain it. What I did understand that there were concrete unavoidable reasons why the economic model couldn't be ditched, along with the power faction backed by IMF. According to Khazin to do this at the time would incur great damages to Russia. The victory would be too bitter, so to say.

It has to do with the economic rating of the country, and also with existing agreements between the "masters" and their "servants". If certain "servants" would be removed, it would allow "the masters" to use it as an excuse and nullify existing agreements and lower the credit rating of the country.

Since the 90's Putin took certain steps to reduce the damage and gradually prepare for the change of the economic model. And that's how the changes in the Constitution come into play. They are supposed to provide Russia with good background to do just that. And that's why the "servants" do their best to sabotage the process.

And corona-crisis plays a big part in that. I already mentioned in this thread how Putin's orders are being ignored or not executed properly. A lost of asinine restrictions are being instituted, especially in Moscow. Sobyanin (Mayor of Moscow) is clearly acting on the outside orders, along with Popova (Chief State Sanitary Doctor) and the rest of the gang, who feel quite comfortable to restrict people's freedom and movement, while these restrictions are clearly unconstitutional without declaration of State of Emergency

It was already mentioned that in Moscow they have an electronic registration if they would like to leave the house. Now they initiated the process of gradual "quarantine easement", and those who live in Moscow will be allotted "going for a walk" time according to a specific schedule. On the city site there is a detailed map where people can see what regions and at what time there are allowed to walk around.

It's true that many businesses are allowed to start working again, and the situation is quite different in other cities. For example, where I live there are not many restrictions, especially in the residential areas. I had to wear a mask only once when I was paying to the cashier in the big Walmart-like store. In the center of the city there are more restrictions, and masks are mandatory on buses and such, but most of the limitations are in Moscow. Sobyanin is doing his best to do well by his "masters".

Many people ignore the limitations, but there are also many "pro-Putin" analysts/channels/sites that adopted the corona-hysteria stance, so it creates a particularly tricky situation. It is surely frustrating, but unfortunately there appear to be no choice but to see certain scenarios played out and waiting to see what will come out of it.

According to the analysis of Khazin, Glaziev and such, dire economic situation is unavoidable, but there is a way out for Russia. In fact, apparently Russia is actually in a better position than other countries that also operate in accordance with the similar economic model. They didn't have the 90's that Russia had, and are not prepared to deal with the same level of crisis.

According to them, if Russia would completely drop dollar as a reserve currency, and actively move to the different economic model, Russia would be even able to prosper, while the rest of the world would experience great crisis. And that's why when Glazyev publicly proposed something like this, Nabiullina (head of the Central Bank of Russia) lost her composure and told others to shut him up.

Bottom line is, there is a great struggle going on at the moment, and the only hope that while we may lose many battles, the war may not be completely lost.

Speaking of lost battles. We all know how the West complained about Russia's low death rate. I personally read an official document that describes what deaths should be declared as deaths by COVID-19, and what deaths should be declared as deaths with COVID-19. Until now Russia was counting COVID-19 deaths only when it was clear that coronavirus was the initial trigger, and there were no other pathologies or diseases present.

But it was changed since yesterday. WHO demanded that Russia will start counting deaths as they "supposed to", and will change the previous statistics as well . For example, monthly death rate for Moscow was 639 deaths, but now it was changed to 1561.

Here's also an article about it.

medicalxpress.com

Moscow updates coronavirus statistics to show more deaths

Health officials in Moscow updated their figures on coronavirus deaths Thursday, seeking to dispel doubts about Russia's comparatively low COVID-19 death toll.
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Edouard Phillipe, the French prime minister has just spoken.
The leach will get longer starting on June the 2th:
No more 100km distance limite.
Cafés and restaurants will reopen.
Beaches and the like will be all open, with mask being obligatory.
Places with a lot of people like night clubs will have to wait but lots of event with a lot of people will be allowed. On the public space the rule of 10 people gathering stays in place.

That's the part I remember.

My internet connection didn't allowed me to watch the questions/answer part.

I am wondering if we will be allowed to go to Andorra. I will have to do some research.

Reopening of the borders within the EU will follow on a later date. Cinemas on the 22th of June I think.
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Andorra will open its borders on the 1st June, so yes you can go to Andorra (my friend and I will go next week too to buy some tobacco :cool2:)
 
While reading the book "Plague of Corruption" by Dr Judy Mikovits and Kent Heckenlively, I found that passage that I thought was interesting and could be helpful in those crazy times.

When I’m in despair, I turn to a section of Robert Kennedy Jr.’s fine book American Values in which he recounts his father’s love of the Stoic philosophy. Kennedy, Jr. writes:

That philosophy argued that, in an absurd world, the acceptance of pain, accompanied by the commitment to struggle, transforms the most common men into heroes and provides the most tragic hero peace and contentment. The hero, Sisyphus, condemned by the gods to roll a rock uphill for eternity, only to see it tumble back down, was ultimately a happy man. Even recognizing and accepting the futility of his task, he could find nobility in the struggle. It is neither our position nor our circumstances that define us, according to the Stoics, but our response to those circumstances; when destiny crushes us, small heroic gestures of courage and service can bring us peace and fulfillment. In applying our shoulder to the stone, we give order to a chaotic universe.

I can’t tell you I’ll submit to this absurd world cheerfully. I will rage against the corruption with all my strength. But I will channel that rage into moving forward and continue to put my shoulder to the stone.

Now that you know my story, perhaps you will be part of the solution. Put your shoulder to the stone with me.
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So, for me, I would change the "we give order to a chaotic universe" for "we send a message to the Universe".

And I would also change the last sentence and re-write it : Knowing Laura's story, the issues, the stakes..., it is still time to be part of the solution. Put our shoulders to the stone with Laura, Ark and all the team.
 
(interesting 🤔 anyone else heard this?!?) Italy has allegedly discovered covid is not a virus, but a bacterium. It clots the blood and reduces the oxygen saturation from dispersing throughout the body. They went against the World Health Organization's \"law\" that no bodies be autopsied. When Italian Ministry of Health ordered many autopsies, they found the blood was clotted in all of the patients veins. They immediately started using aspirin 100mg and a coagulant medication. And have had immense success. 14,000 people were released from the hospital as \"healthy\" and covid free. Italy is demanding Bill Gates and the World health Organization be held accountable for \"crimes against humanity\" for misleading, misdirecting, and withholding life saving information from the world, which cost the lives of thousands. Ventilators and ICU units were not necessary. A mandated vaccine is not necessary. Covid19 is a bacterium, easily treated with aspirin and coagulant. Spread the word! Make this global. Hopefully our president will learn about this and do something about it! Before we lose all of our constitutional freedoms. Another article regarding it: Carlie J Gardipee 2020 Coronavirus / Health Discovery: Autopsies Prove that COVID-19 is a Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (Pulmonary Thrombosis) Posted by Chinonyerem Emmanuella It is now clear that the whole world has been attacking the so-called Coronavirus Pandemic wrongly due to a serious pathophysiological diagnosis error. According to valuable information from Italian pathologists, ventilators and intensive care units were never needed. Autopsies performed by the Italian pathologists has shown that it is not pneumonia but it is Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (Thrombosis) which ought to be fought with antibiotics, antivirals, anti-inflammatories and anticoagulants. If this is true for all cases, that means the whole world is about to resolve this novel pandemic earlier than expected. However, protocols are currently being changed in Italy who have been adversely affected by this pandemic. The impressive case of a Mexican family in the United States who claimed they were cured with a home remedy was documented: three 500 mg aspirins dissolved in lemon juice boiled with honey, taken hot. The next day they woke up as if nothing had happened to them! Well, the scientific information that follows proves they are right! Also Read: Coronavirus: Safety Health Measures Beyond the Surgical Mask and Hand Sanitizers “THE END OF COVID-19 IS NEAR”- GAIN AFRICA DIRECTOR DECLARES, BACKED W.H.O CHIEFS This information was released by a medical researcher from Italy: “Thanks to 50 autopsies performed on patients who died of COVID-19, Italian pathologists have discovered that IT IS NOT PNEUMONIA, strictly speaking, because the virus does not only kill pneumocytes of this type, but uses an inflammatory storm to create an endothelial vascular thrombosis.” In disseminated intravascular coagulation, the lung is the most affected because it is the most inflamed, but there is also a heart attack, stroke and many other thromboembolic diseases. In fact, the protocols left antiviral therapies useless and focused on anti-inflammatory and anti-clotting therapies. These therapies should be done immediately, even at home, in which the treatment of patients responds very well. If the Chinese had denounced it, they would have invested in home therapy, not intensive care! So, the way to fight it is with antibiotics, anti-inflammatories and anticoagulants. An Italian pathologist reports that the hospital in Bergamo did a total of 50 autopsies and one in Milan, 20, that is, the Italian series is the highest in the world, the Chinese did only 3, which seems to fully confirm the information. In a nutshell, the disease is determined by a disseminated intravascular coagulation triggered by the virus; therefore, it is not pneumonia but pulmonary thrombosis, a major diagnostic error. Some world leaders doubled the number of resuscitation places in the ICU, with unnecessary exorbitant costs. According to the Italian pathologist, treatment in ICUs is useless if thromboembolism is not resolved first. “If we ventilate a lung where blood does not circulate, it is useless, in fact, nine (9) patients out of ten (10) will die because the problem is cardiovascular, not respiratory.” “It is venous microthrombosis, not pneumonia, that determines mortality.” According to the literature, inflammation induces thrombosis through a complex but well-known pathophysiological mechanism. Unfortunately, what the scientific literature said, especially Chinese, until mid-March was that anti-inflammatory drugs should not be used. Now, the therapy being used in Italy is with anti-inflammatories and antibiotics, as in influenza, and the number of hospitalized patients has been reduced. He also discovered that many deaths, even in their 40s, had a history of fever for 10 to 15 days, which were not treated properly. The inflammation does a great deal of tissue damage and creates ground for thrombus formation. However, the main problem is not the virus, but the immune hyperreaction that destroys the cell where the virus is installed. In fact, patients with rheumatoid arthritis have never needed to be admitted to the ICU because they are on corticosteroid therapy, which is a great anti-inflammatory. With this important discovery, it is possible to return to normal life and open closed deals due to the quarantine, though not immediately, but with time. Kindly share so that the health authorities of each country can make their respective analysis of this information, prevent further deaths and redirect investments appropriately; the vaccine may come later. 1616 13 Comments Like Comment Comments Vie
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This was posted on Facebook. The only reason that I looked at it was because factcheck.org said it was fake. For me, there is not enough information about this to make a decision.

Has anyone else heard about this?
 
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