Crash of German Wings Flight over French Alps

[lucasraffablog]

So, basically now all the pilots are crazy suicide and serial killers. There is no way to stop that. Deal with it.

 

[Jeremy F Kreuz]

Quote from: Perceval on Today at 02:59:35 PM

Question: If Lubitz planned to crash the plane, how did he know the pilot would need to pee at some point? It's only a 1hr 30 flight.


Maybe he knew that co-pilot had been suffering from overactive bladder ;)

I'm sure that journalists or so called experts know the answer ;)

The explanation seemsto be they had no time to go to the bathroom in barcelona - which is always the case with these economic short flights - as soon as the plane arrives, passengers board - minimal stay on the tarmac.

other question that came to mind - in his first adress, barely a few hours after the crash Hollande declared there would almost without chance no survivors. No team was yet on the ground. how did he know? did somebody tell him? and who? the PTB; with the message to behave? or the pilots of the amry jets?

 

[naorma]

Re: Wrote a letter to the parents of Andreas Lubitz

Today in the morning I thought about the parents of Andreas Lubitz and thought they must be in a horrible situation. Having lost the son and at the same time seing him accused of murdering 149 People must be an absolute incredible situation that would take away the ground on which you are standing.

So I thought it might help if they see someone is not accusing her son but trying to support them.

I decided to send an Email to a church where I read Mrs. Lubitz hat been working. My plan was to address the letter to the church and they should handle it to them.

Got no reply until afternoon and called the church. Talked to the reverend and we decided an email would be better. So I sent it via email to the reverend of the church. He might find a way to pass the email forward because right now the parents are kept in a safe place nobody knows.

He also told me, that the emails he had got were all in a friendly and supporting tone and showed real empathy with the parents. Nobody will probably ever know what happened. And this is the worst thing the parents have to deal with. God bless them!

Thank you for your kind initiative naorma !
Would you share the mail that others on this forum may send their own ? (I guess it would be good enough in English...)

I wrote (in German, of course )
Dear parents of Andreas Lubitz,

in (nearly) all of the media your son is made responsible for the Airbus crash. Not everybody is thinking this way. I do not think in this way, too. Too much is left open, too less things clear and the question, whether truth will be coming out is a big one.

To lose the son must be very hard for you, even more when he is called a murderer of 149 human beings.

In this situation I would like to condole with you and I wish you a lot of clearness and energy for this very hard time. No matter how the official statements will be: You will know the truth in your heart and only this matters.

Wishing that these words may help you and giving you my true solidarity

Kindest and best regards.

 

[Castorette]

p.s. I think I need some tips with th quoting system...

Here you go: How to insert quotes ;)

Ok, I get it! Thank you Palinurus :D

 

[Ca.]

Thank you for the SOTT analysis. It is good to read a confirmation of doubts I feel about the official story. I share your suspisions that the story in the media has been pushed too quickly, from inappropriate official chanels and in the midst of an over-the-top media blitz.

Earlier in this thread it was remarked as peculiar that there had been no mobile phone communications from the passengers. Whereas there were on other occaisions, famously during 9-11 and also from the lost Malaysian plane. I have not read any where here, though I may well have missed it, the suggestion that the lack of calls could be explained by a meteroric EMP, as an EMP would fry the phone CPUs as well as the plane's electronics. Doubtless there are many indications against this idea, and I could suggest a few. For instance, can you realy phone from a plane? Would the engines keep running if their electronics were fried? etc.

I am using a slow iphone conection and finding it difficult to write much more. Apologies also, therefore, for my inability to find and correctly quote the earlier post I mentioned, and also for the typos I have introduced here.

Thank you Perceval for your excellent analysis of this accident. Your article is "sobre", serious, clear. It permits to put our feet on the earth and think. Very good.

http://www.sott.net/article/294482-Germanwings-crash-Not-the-full-story

I don't think it can be looked any other way. Must agree, though painfully obvious that sky's are not safe anymore.

It is perhaps just as necessary as one would check the days weather for possible problems on a days outing, that same precautions be considered when traveling by air.

Checking trusted websites for information on monthly meteor storm reports and JPL (well maybe not so truthful though) of any near earth close approach objects, that will be dragging there little buddy's close in tow and to travel accordingly.

It is what it is a Sign Of The Times.

I never thought i would come to see the day. But i have always had faith in the material. And have witnessed numerous demonstrations of the areal bombardment in the USSA. Even here as well, but less frequent.

Good summation Perceval. Honest, fair, and truthful.

 

[Esote]

Re: Wrote a letter to the parents of Andreas Lubitz

Today in the morning I thought about the parents of Andreas Lubitz and thought they must be in a horrible situation. Having lost the son and at the same time seing him accused of murdering 149 People must be an absolute incredible situation that would take away the ground on which you are standing.

So I thought it might help if they see someone is not accusing her son but trying to support them.

I decided to send an Email to a church where I read Mrs. Lubitz hat been working. My plan was to address the letter to the church and they should handle it to them.

Got no reply until afternoon and called the church. Talked to the reverend and we decided an email would be better. So I sent it via email to the reverend of the church. He might find a way to pass the email forward because right now the parents are kept in a safe place nobody knows.

He also told me, that the emails he had got were all in a friendly and supporting tone and showed real empathy with the parents. Nobody will probably ever know what happened. And this is the worst thing the parents have to deal with. God bless them!

Thank you for your kind initiative naorma !
Would you share the mail that others on this forum may send their own ? (I guess it would be good enough in English...)

I wrote (in German, of course )
Dear parents of Andreas Lubitz,

in (nearly) all of the media your son is made responsible for the Airbus crash. Not everybody is thinking this way. I do not think in this way, too. Too much is left open, too less things clear and the question, whether truth will be coming out is a big one.

To lose the son must be very hard for you, even more when he is called a murderer of 149 human beings.

In this situation I would like to condole with you and I wish you a lot of clearness and energy for this very hard time. No matter how the official statements will be: You will know the truth in your heart and only this matters.

Wishing that these words may help you and giving you my true solidarity

Kindest and best regards.

Thanks a lot for your answer naorma.
What I meant actually was to give us the email address, that we may send a message to the parents, if it's allright with you and the mods...

 

[Ellipse]

Now it's becoming more or less official:
Lufthansa fears second Germanwings black box may never be found (_http://www.euronews.com/2015/03/30/lufthansa-fears-second-germanwings-black-box-may-never-be-found/)

The German airline Lufthansa says it fears the flight data recorder from the Germanwings disaster may never be found.

A manager has told a German television station that damage might have been too serious on impact.

Most of the Airbus A320, which was carrying 150 passengers and crew, was shattered into small pieces.

Recovery of the debris is expected to take weeks.

Investigators have already retrieved information from the cockpit voice recorder, apparently confirming the plane was deliberately crashed into the mountains.

Officials trying to confirm the identities of remains found at the crash site say so far almost 80 different types of DNA have been recovered. Not one single body was found intact.

Because of the rugged terrain, emergency teams are building an access road to the site, to make it easier to remove debris and remains.

 

[Seaniebawn]

Now it's becoming more or less official:
Lufthansa fears second Germanwings black box may never be found (_http://www.euronews.com/2015/03/30/lufthansa-fears-second-germanwings-black-box-may-never-be-found/)

The German airline Lufthansa says it fears the flight data recorder from the Germanwings disaster may never be found.

A manager has told a German television station that damage might have been too serious on impact.

Most of the Airbus A320, which was carrying 150 passengers and crew, was shattered into small pieces.

Recovery of the debris is expected to take weeks.

Investigators have already retrieved information from the cockpit voice recorder, apparently confirming the plane was deliberately crashed into the mountains.

Officials trying to confirm the identities of remains found at the crash site say so far almost 80 different types of DNA have been recovered. Not one single body was found intact.

Because of the rugged terrain, emergency teams are building an access road to the site, to make it easier to remove debris and remains.

So that's it mystery solved, the pilot committed suicide, and the evidence is missing, I wonder what the effect's of all the people believing a lie such as this is, :O

 

[loreta]

Now it's becoming more or less official:
Lufthansa fears second Germanwings black box may never be found (_http://www.euronews.com/2015/03/30/lufthansa-fears-second-germanwings-black-box-may-never-be-found/)

The German airline Lufthansa says it fears the flight data recorder from the Germanwings disaster may never be found.

A manager has told a German television station that damage might have been too serious on impact.

Most of the Airbus A320, which was carrying 150 passengers and crew, was shattered into small pieces.

Recovery of the debris is expected to take weeks.

Investigators have already retrieved information from the cockpit voice recorder, apparently confirming the plane was deliberately crashed into the mountains.

Officials trying to confirm the identities of remains found at the crash site say so far almost 80 different types of DNA have been recovered. Not one single body was found intact.

Because of the rugged terrain, emergency teams are building an access road to the site, to make it easier to remove debris and remains.

So that's it mystery solved, the pilot committed suicide, and the evidence is missing, I wonder what the effect's of all the people believing a lie such as this is, :O

The majority of people that I know believe in this official story and are depressed. Last week they were super depressed. Incapable of sleeping well, in front of the tv all day, very very sad.

I see this situation of control like this: an accident like this one is the perfect story to control people, first to produce horror, shock. Second to instill sadness, depression. Third, to secure them: the government is taking care of everything, don't worry (through news about how efficient everything is done, how valiant are the workers that work for them, how calm the politicians speak, reassuring the population and faking love for the victims, etc) Four: we will have elections very soon, it is important that this government acts and make feel secure the civilians, make them feel that they are humans, after that. So people who believe in this official version are hooked.

 

[Seaniebawn]

Now it's becoming more or less official:
Lufthansa fears second Germanwings black box may never be found (_http://www.euronews.com/2015/03/30/lufthansa-fears-second-germanwings-black-box-may-never-be-found/)

The German airline Lufthansa says it fears the flight data recorder from the Germanwings disaster may never be found.

A manager has told a German television station that damage might have been too serious on impact.

Most of the Airbus A320, which was carrying 150 passengers and crew, was shattered into small pieces.

Recovery of the debris is expected to take weeks.

Investigators have already retrieved information from the cockpit voice recorder, apparently confirming the plane was deliberately crashed into the mountains.

Officials trying to confirm the identities of remains found at the crash site say so far almost 80 different types of DNA have been recovered. Not one single body was found intact.

Because of the rugged terrain, emergency teams are building an access road to the site, to make it easier to remove debris and remains.

So that's it mystery solved, the pilot committed suicide, and the evidence is missing, I wonder what the effect's of all the people believing a lie such as this is, :O

The majority of people that I know believe in this official story and are depressed. Last week they were super depressed. Incapable of sleeping well, in front of the tv all day, very very sad.

I see this situation of control like this: an accident like this one is the perfect story to control people, first to produce horror, shock. Second to instill sadness, depression. Third, to secure them: the government is taking care of everything, don't worry (through news about how efficient everything is done, how valiant are the workers that work for them, how calm the politicians speak, reassuring the population and faking love for the victims, etc) Four: we will have elections very soon, it is important that this government acts and make feel secure the civilians, make them feel that they are humans, after that. So people who believe in this official version are hooked.

Yeah and this is relatively trivial, in a sense of how long it will last in the public conscience, most people won't remember in a month, but the narrative will, a lie lives on, given life by belief, it's crazy.

 

[Dirgni]

And the poor parents of the copilot will have to carry this burden for the rest of their lifes. And ask themselves what they did wrong. Or they dig deeper and have a fight before them to restore the honor of their son.

 

[Seaniebawn]

And the poor parents of the copilot will have to carry this burden for the rest of their lifes. And ask themselves what they did wrong. Or they dig deeper and have a fight before them to restore the honor of their son.

it's terrible :(

 

[angelburst29]

Lufthansa CEO Carsten Spohr said Wednesday that the Germanwings jet crash in France was not linked to a brief pre-flight repair job carried out on the ill-fated A320 plane.
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150325/1019979165.html

The plane, bound for Dusseldorf in Germany, took off from Barcelona 30 minutes late Tuesday, German newsmagazine Bild reported Tuesday.

Der Spiegel then added to the story, mentioning a problem with the plane’s landing gear, which had caused an earlier delay in Dusseldorf on Monday.

The Airbus A320 was inspected by Lufthansa's technical team and, several hours later, was cleared to fly.

Meanwhile, Carsten Spohr ruled out any technical issues with the crashed plane.

“The plane was in perfect technical condition,” the aero-de website quoted Spohr as telling reporters upon his return from crash site.

During the last radio communication the dispatcher instructed the pilot to stay at an altitude of 11,400 meters but the plane started descend without permission.
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150325/1019985458.html

During the last radio communication the dispatcher instructed the pilot to stay at an altitude of 11,400 meters. It was noted that at 10:31 the plane started to descend without permission. The dispatcher sent the request to the pilot, but there was no answer.

“At 10:35 the controllers got alarmed. At 10:40 the plane was situated at an altitude of 2,000 meters and then it just disappeared from the radar,” Ruyal told French TV station iTele in an interview.

Also from the same site.
_http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/background-to-germanwings-a320-accident-410509/

Based on the few facts known about the Germanwings Airbus A320 crash, it is a highly unusual event. For a modern short-haul airliner to develop – in the cruise phase of flight – problems the crew cannot deal with is almost unheard of.

According to unofficial data from a flight-tracking service, the aircraft took off for its scheduled flight from Barcelona to Dusseldorf in good weather just after 10:00 local time, took about 20min climbing to a cruise height of 38,000ft, where it leveled out for just 3 to 4min, and then entered a steady descent profile without altering its ground speed to any significant extent from the 420-450kt (780-830km/h) adopted in the cruise. It was not a dramatic descent, but was very steady all the way to impact. It also appears to have crashed quite close to its flight-planned track, so there was no sudden veer off course.

I posted these links earlier but re-reading the article, something is really off with these sentences that I just highlighted.

"The plane, bound for Dusseldorf in Germany, took off from Barcelona 30 minutes late Tuesday, German newsmagazine Bild reported Tuesday.

Der Spiegel then added to the story, mentioning a problem with the plane’s landing gear, which had caused an earlier delay in Dusseldorf on Monday.

The Airbus A320 was inspected by Lufthansa's technical team and, several hours later, was cleared to fly."


OK, if I'm reading this right:

While in Dusseldorf, on Monday March 23, Airbus A320 had an earlier delay due to a problem with the plane's landing gear. Then flew to Barcelona.

While in Barcelona, on Tuesday March 24, Airbus A320 experienced another delay of 30 minutes before taking off to return to Dusseldorf.
Lufthansa's technical team had inspected the plane and it was cleared to fly.

From Barcelona to Dusseldorf, the plane climbed to a cruise height of 38,000ft, where it leveled out. Then entered a steady descent profile without altering its ground speed until it crashed (or exploded or was shot down)?

Question: Was a bomb(s) inserted (possibly the cockpit) during one of the delays? When the plane leveled out at cruise height, and the dispatcher instructed the pilot to stay at an altitude of 11,400 meters, did the altitude trigger a bomb? Then a larger secondary bomb before impact?

A320 Crash: A Mirage 2000 took off from the air base
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ledauphine.com%2Fvaucluse%2F2015%2F03%2F25%2Fdes-la-perte-de-liaison-avec-l-airbus-un-mirage-2000-a-decolle-de-la-base-aerienne&edit-text=

Everything went very quickly. With the loss of radio contact with the Airbus A320, the national air operations center of Lyon triggered a Mirage 2000 in permanently operational air base of Orange. The fighter, alert, immediately took off to bring in a few minutes to the last known position of the aircraft. But on arrival, the airliner and its 150 passengers had already crashed headlong into the mountain. "The Mirage 2000 happened after the crash. Both aircraft have not crossed, "says one in the air Sirpa. But the hunter can fly low and steady, more appropriate air assets such as helicopters of the air force, gendarmerie and civil defense were deployed over the crash area including a Fennec BA 115.

At the air base of Orange, two Mirage 2000 and Fennec helicopters are round the clock and seven days a week on alert. Aircraft whose mission is to go to the contact of aircraft in difficulty to assist them and intercept necessary.


http://www.cabaltimes.com/2015/03/26/germanwings9525/
Comment section:

Isle de Levant is an offshore island off Toulon. To quote,

In October 1950 a military missile test site was established at the French naval base on the Ile du Levant, an offshore island in the Mediterranean near Toulon. This was named CERES (Special Weapons Research and Tests Center) in 1952 and replaced a beach site at Pampelone used for ad-hoc launches since 1948. In 1968 it was expanded to include the La Renardiere site on Pont ST Mandrier and renamed CEM (Mediterranean Test Center). La Renardiere had been used in 1945 for testing the first French liquid propelled rocket, the EA 41. Ile du Levant was known to have been used for at least 111 launches from 1956 to 1969, reaching up to 270 kilometers altitude.

While Isle de Levant and missiles may be irrelevant to Germanwings Flight 9525, the Mediterranean coast of France, and the military bases situated there are relevant, considering their history of aviation intrigue.

Just for info – no fingerpointing meant: In the Marseille Area (LFMM) there seems to be quite a lot of military activity going on. An exercise called MALAY FREEDOM 01-2015 will be active tomorrow (Wed. March 25, 2015) near the projected flightpath of the doomed flight and the LF-138 Restricted Area of Camp de Canjuers goes up to FL530. The latter is a very large military camp and a place where there is rocket firing too. And then, just about where the flight crossed the coast, there’s Toulon, the main French naval base, prohibited area LF-P62 up to FL195.

 

[Joe]

Question: Was a bomb(s) inserted (possibly the cockpit) during one of the delays?

It's possible. That's about all I can say.

 

[Rose7]

When the information first came in about the crash, and all they were saying about Lubitz was he was a nice guy, loved flying and how could he do what he did etc. I actually thought to myself, "I bet they are going to make up a story and tell the public that the pilot was emotionally imbalanced or depressed and that will be the reason he deliberately killed himself and everybody on board." A day later, they find a doctor's note in the garbage, and all of a sudden information is splashing all over the media about his depression, how his girlfriend broke up with him, etc. The media coverage to me right away seemed very made up and it seemed too convenient that they would come up with all this info about him so quickly. The ripped up doctor's note in the trash, how convenient! It all seemed very rehearsed and orchestrated. I then thought about that maybe Lubitz was mind controlled and he was triggered to crash the plane; but now there is the info about the explosion being heard beforehand and smoke coming out of the plane and why was the plane and everybody pulverized? Maybe there was a bomb on the plane? This is all very scary, bewildering and sad. Thank you, Perceval for your very insightful article on Sott.net.