Creating a New World

[Yossarian]

I think this subject deserves to be an entire board, and as it grows it could be broken down into sub-topics, like education, economics, methods of organizing and governing communities, laws, justice, spirituality, educating and screening for pathology, etc., etc. Each word itself would need to be clearly defined so that the ponerological meaning and implications are removed.

That said, I think a lot has to do with the wisdom held by the "circle" peoples. How did the Celts organize and govern themselves? How did the "native" cultures organize themselves. I think there are some great clues there. Obviously, hierarchies are created by, for and of pyskopaths and our 4d controllers. We know the whole concept of an "elite" is ponerogenic. We know any system that values the life of one human being over another is ponerogenic.

The whole concept of community would be important, I think. Whatever real and true community would look like could be a great place to start.

For example, here's just a snippet of some material I read about a native culture, the Masai, that made me think, "The leadership of the tribe, conducted by the elders, is democratic in the extreme. There has never been a paramount chief of the calibre of Shaka, king of the Zulus, or the Kabaka of the Baganda. Each section of the Masai has its own leader. He does not reach that position by political maneuvering or personal ambition. He is chosen for his excellence, for the qualities deemed necessary to lead his section and to arbitrate difficulties. It can truly be said he does not even want the job. He is called legwanan, and it is his job for life. It is all very symbolic. The legwanan is considered the one who will be first in battle, first to own cattle, first to get married and the first to die--all for the sake of his age group. . . . There is no future tense in the Masai language. Tomorrow will be like today. . . They are hospitable, generous, affectionate, worshipers of children, unbelievably domestic and gentle and religious. . . Bravest of the brave, a warrior tribe living the life they have led unchanged over hunderds and hundreds of years. . ."

This excerpt shows a different concept of community than I had encountered before: "The old man, Ndangoya stopped me politely but firmly, 'Why are you trying to beak us up and separate us? During this whole year that you have been teaching us, we have talked about these things when you were not here, at night around the fire. Yes, there have bee lazy ones in this community. But they have been helped by those with much energy. There are stupid ones in the community, but they have been helped by those who are intelligent. Yes, there are ones with little faith in this village, but they have been helped by those with much faith. Would you turn out and drive off the lazy ones and the ones with little faith and the stupid ones? From the first day I have spoken for these people. And I speak for them now. Now, on this day one year later, I can declare for them and for all this community, that we have reached the step in our lives where we can say [the same thing].'"

There were other examples of how the Masai governed themselves and made decisions that I found enlightening, but I can't find them presently.

 

[T.C.]

I think this subject deserves to be an entire board, and as it grows it could be broken down into sub-topics, like education, economics, methods of organizing and governing communities, laws, justice, spirituality, educating and screening for pathology, etc., etc.

I agree. It's such a vast topic.

 

[andi]

I agree as well :)

 

[Thomas Alan]

I think this subject deserves to be an entire board, and as it grows it could be broken down into sub-topics, like education, economics, methods of organizing and governing communities, laws, justice, spirituality, educating and screening for pathology, etc., etc.

I agree. It's such a vast topic.

Indeed, it is. Perhaps natural divisions will appear as we go along.
I wonder how, to use Mourvieff's terminology, Adamics and PreAdamics would fit into a more STO world. And Adamics, those with Soul potential. Some will have a highly developed Soul, some will have barely begun to crystallize. Perhaps here is a beginning outline of a STO hierarchy.

This excerpt shows a different concept of community than I had encountered before: "The old man, Ndangoya stopped me politely but firmly, 'Why are you trying to beak us up and separate us? During this whole year that you have been teaching us, we have talked about these things when you were not here, at night around the fire. Yes, there have bee lazy ones in this community. But they have been helped by those with much energy. There are stupid ones in the community, but they have been helped by those who are intelligent. Yes, there are ones with little faith in this village, but they have been helped by those with much faith. Would you turn out and drive off the lazy ones and the ones with little faith and the stupid ones? From the first day I have spoken for these people. And I speak for them now. Now, on this day one year later, I can declare for them and for all this community, that we have reached the step in our lives where we can say [the same thing].'"

Ok, A wise person is the leader but all are included. The intelligent and the stupid, the energetic and the lazy. All are accepted and have their role to play.

Mac

 

[RyanAM]

To create a new world i would think that we would first need the understanding of how an STO world works. For example if balancing is created through a battle of forces, being STO would probably be opposite of STS, so as STO it would probably be difficult to consider yourself equally important to another. Possibly in that there may be no need for an economical situation to exist?

 

[Brenda86]

And also I remember it being said in The Wave about how before "The Fall" we had all of our basic needs met quite easily.

Seems to me like most of what we do here to stay alive in the 3D STS realm will really be of little importance in our new STO realm.

Or perhaps it could be of the utmost importance. How we choose to interact with each other and what we decide to do while we are here will likely play a crucial part in getting to a new STO realm me thinks.

I actually agree with this. I just didn't get the words out that had the right meaning for what I was intending. There would be no reason for us to learn the lessons here if we were not going to use them. But I do think one of the major points of these lessons is exactly learning that we DO have a choice in how to interact with each other and not just that but how to interact with the ENTIRE WORLD. And I am inclined to think that in an STO realm, 3D or 4D for that matter, that the giving and receiving of all that is needed among everyone would be the way to go.

Because in an STO realm we receive what we need by sharing with others who need and they give in return. It seems like it would be much more "cyclical". Person one gives something to person 2 that he needs, person 2 gives something to person 3 that she needs, and person 3 gives something to person 1 that she needed, etc.

Hmm, I think that you're on to something here, Brenda86. I'm just thinking how nice (and how necessary!) it would be if this type of giving you describe could be fostered right here in this realm. Maybe practicing this type of giving with those who reciprocate will be the vehicle for 'graduation'.

In fact, I think it wasn't that long ago that the matter of contributing to this site came up. And some people seemed inclined to think it was just a matter of monetary contributions. But that is certainly not the case. Now, in our STS realm money is indeed the item of exchange, but in an STO realm to me it seems like it would be more like an exchange of knowledge, goods, services, talents, whatever it may be, but always reciprocal.

Example:

Person 1: I need someone to watch my children during the day.

Person 2: I am home all day because I'm a writer, so I could watch them.

Person 1: Really? Do you need your material published? I work for a publishing company.

Person 2: Wow, that would be great.

So both people get what they need without any intent to cheat the other or anything. I see something like this on a much grander scale that is hard to imagine given our current situation.

But yes, I feel like this is something that we should probably be working on right now at this very moment. I doubt we can get it 100% because we are by default STS here. Reciprocity. If everyone is giving, no one is lacking.

And thank you Ennio for pointing out what I had said that forced me to clarify my ideas in my own mind and for everyone else. Definitely helpful. :)

 

[brainwave]

Great discussion as we are certainly in dire need of a new world.

I would like to start a discussion that focuses on Creating a New World.

I would just like for all participants to think about what is wrong with our world and what they would like to see happen to make it right.

There are a lot of things to which there are no simple answers. For example, I don't think that communisim, socialism, fascism or capitalism are the right way to go economically, but I'm not sure what IS the right way that would fulfill the needs of the majority of humans. How to separate what is essential to all, etc. Are there elements of each of those systems that are truly STO and if so, what? How to pull out what is useful and put it together?

I think it will be a very useful exercise to define things, to imagine things, to describe how things would be done in an STO world. Things like who decides things? How? Who owns things? How? Is there voting? How is it done? Who can vote?
Education... what is available to who and how? Who pays for it?

Social services: counseling, child-care, medicine, etc.

Literally every area of our society has been corrupted in one way or another, so how to re-imagine something that would really work? Re-think it, re-define and describe it?

Start anywhere. Maybe we should start talking about what is wrong with various systems and what could be done to fix them, if anything. If they are wrong at the foundation, what to replace them with?

The first thing I imagine is a society where everyone can use their talents to contribute to the betterment of the community as a whole. It's like the whole idea of 'it takes a village' but not just a platitude but a community where everyone wants the best for the next person and actively do what they can toward that goal. The best way to do that is for all to have the opportunity to develop whatever talent they may have to the best of their ability. It would include fulfillment of life's basics (food, shelter health care etc). This necessitates a well as a well rounded education in a manner that is suitable for the individual. Some people are good theoretical physicists others are good carpenters or nurses etc. In different ways each are important.

To pull that off would precludes some basic concepts or principles that everyone understands and is in agreement with. I think this is where a lot of difficulties come in. but I think can be solved with the understanding (again that word) of the developmental level of individuals in such a community. For example, those with certain physical and psychological deficiencies may need extra attention in some areas in order to shine. This is where those who have a talent for bringing out the best in such people would come in: the child care specialist, counselor, educator etc. They would be someone everyone can agree has the authority to work with developmental deficiencies in a particular area. This means some kind of clearly defined but flexible organizational structure in which community decisions are made. I know many societies claim to try to do this but where things fail is that the basic principles or core understanding are different from person to person or group to group. Worse yet, each group may have a rigid structure that tends to black and white situations. In such an environment, issues, inefficiencies, people not being served or self service is inevitable because it comes from lack of knowledge as the Cs would say. Add in psychopaths who only care about themselves and we have what we see today.

So maybe we would have to establish a new world community by community but where the basic principles are the same everywhere such that one can develop whatever they are capable of and use it to cover costs (via barter or other income raising methods to pay for things) so each member have something to give to others in the manner most suitable for the local community one find oneself in. On a larger level the one community will help other community which helps in the first in another way and so on. This way collectively everyone can serve others the world over starting right where they are.

So what are the core principles? I am mulling that over now but a lot of the material we have studied here would be incorporated in such principles.

One I have had to painfully learn over and over is how my issues (past hurts, narcissistic wants etc) can get in the way of seeing a situation as it truly is in order for me to make the most appropriate decisions that is best for all. So, any new world would have to include a workable method for learning to SEE. We have that here. To borrow a phrase from Laura, you can't see yourself with how you see yourself. So, there must be a safe way for those who recognize that principle, to be able to get together and help each other SEE and heal, work, grow and celebrate too-sort of how the QFS works I think.

I probably did not really answer the questions but those are the first things that came to mind after reading what you posted Laura. I have to think about it (definitions ) a lot more.

 

[Fifth Way]

If we take into account that almost all values in our "civilized' world have been corrupted and twisted by psychopath we should be looking what the REAL values/the true nature of the other 94% are.

The phenomenon of empathy comes to mind.
And the aim to serve others which inevitably brings inner growth which inevitably brings inner growth to the species, thus promotes evolution to a higher consciousness for mankind.

 

[thevenusian]

I am not sure that anything of the societal and cultural systems we have around us now would exist in an STO world. If everyone was operating on an STO basis, we would all be cooperating and looking out for one another in every way at all times, doing our best to offer whatever was asked of us by our fellows, always with the welfare of others in mind. It would be acknowledged and understood by all that even though everyone is different, we all have the same basic rights and no one is 'better' than anyone else. We would be doing our work, research, play and creating with an eye toward making a contribution to everyone else's well-being, not just ourselves or our group.

The changes from where we are now would be striking. Instead of hierarchical organizations based on strong dominating weak, or haves & have-nots, there would be self-organized networks of people or groups in which all were considered essentially equal. If there was competition, it would be friendly and cooperative and more like a game for exercising skill without domination being the goal. There would be no economic system which is based on getting, hoarding and controlling. Commerce would be an exchange based on the essential equality of all. It would not be possible for any one person or group to have or accumulate more of anything in order to dominate or control others. If someone came up with a great idea, the first thought would be toward how much this might benefit everyone freely, not how to sell it & make a million bucks from it or keep it to oneself. It would be unthinkable to 'win' by or for oneself, only for everyone together. Instead of thinking 'what will I get out of this', it would be 'if I am getting something out of this, how will it benefit others as well?' and plans would adapt to make it so.

We would be striving to network and organize efficiently and effectively to feed and house ourselves, and we would want to do these things in the best possible way for everyone. We would want our food to be delicious and enjoyable, but to truly benefit us all. So we would not use poisons in our food or structures and would seek to learn as much as possible about how to make us all as healthy as we can. We simply would not be pursuing ways of doing things which take from others. We would be seeking to do them in ways that benefit all. We would probably strive to make each locale resilient and independent and develop its own unique strengths in order to provide stability and also to make more to share with others. If I can grow the best apples because I am best situated for that, I would not be thinking how to gain myself from that, but rather how could that be done to maximize the benefits others would receive.

Education would be open freely to all and would encourage each student to maximize their skills and strengths and would build upon the legacy of all knowledge which has been developed before. History would be carefully preserved in truthful accuracy and made available to all freely in order to eliminate repeating unnecessary mistakes and to further the growth of knowledge over time. It would become desirable to cross-reference and share across all areas of study instead of specializing to the point of ignorance of everything else. Just imagine where we might be after several generations if learning was approached this way!

Bringing new children into the world would be done in a clear and conscious manner, a decision based on an opportunity to provide the child and the rest of the world with more conscious awareness. Great attention would be given to all the needs of each child in a consistent and unselfish way. Families would be allowed to develop and grow naturally and contain members from several generations. There would be no pressure upon parents to do everything themselves. Instead of a community consisting of many separate residences each with their own sets of redundant everything, people would cooperate and share and be free to develop communities that truly work to the benefit of all in whatever ways served the outcome of providing the maximum benefit to all.

There would need to be some very clear moral guidelines along simple and universal lines, but the emphasis would not be to control, but to objectively understand and comply with those principles which allow all who wish to live in peace and harmony with one another to do so. 'Do no harm' seems like a good place to start. Any system of conflict resolution ought to be fair and allow for the particulars of each instance to be fully heard and understood. Those people who are the most fair, wise and empathetic would be sought out and allowed to help with that.

These are just some rough ideas that barely scratch the surface of this enormous topic. It has been fun to think about this all day. It sure does highlight the difference between STS and STO. In some ways it seems it could be simply the difference between 'what can I get?' and 'what can I give?'

 

[Brenda86]

I definitely think we are thinking along the same general lines, TheVenusian. All of these things start to come into focus when we try to really think about the foundations of an STS realm vs. an STO realm.

 

[mamadrama]

What an interesting thread. Just for some models, I found a webpage that describes some intentional communities in the US:

_http://www.armory.com/~wavejump/Communities.html#EarthHaven


This is one near me and received a good review.

Earthaven
Rural North Carolina: Eco-Village, population ~65

Address: Earthaven Ecovillage, 1025 Camp Elliott Rd Black Mountain, NC 28711. Phone: (828) 669-3937. Email: info@earthavenlearningcenter.org. Webpage: www.earthaven.org

Basically, Earthaven is fruckin'-tastic. My god! I've never lived in such a beautiful and human-scaled world. I think everyone should visit, because once they do, I can't see how they could not want to secretly live in an Eco-village like that.

It's a total funky village in the full-sense of the word, designed for the walkable, livable experience, and it's all built in cozy-steep mountain valleys along a series of creeks and joining streams, with wooden bridges and forest paths connecting swimming holes, gardens, and seven different neighborhoods. Seven! And they've only been building for ten years. Population is almost 70, ten of whom are kids. It's very impressive, especially since all the buildings are so individualistic, most built out of low-cost local materials, so we're talking adobe, straw-bale, mud-daub, and wood from trees right off the property, trees that needed to come down anyway. The architecture I would call "Dagova Contemporary."

Earth Haven is an "Eco-Village", not an "income sharing" commune or anything crazy. In this Eco-Village model you come into the community with your own family and assets, lease land for 99 years (it's inheritable and renewable, lots are either $11,000 or $19,000 for a 1/3 acre), build your own home, and start your own business or whatever. Because of that, there's a certain amount of capital you need, just like in the real world, and this is what turned me off at Dancing Rabbit, along with the $3000 membership fee, which they both have. But Earthaven is much farther along in development, not just a muddy construction site, and the variety and diversity of the economy and people is refreshing. There is already one Co-Housing building, an inn, and a sort of Short-Term Housing Neighborhood called Hut Hamlet, where a lot of the young folks live who are on internships or work-exchanges to learn natural building techniques, or teach at the school. Hut Hamlet is also the coolest looking neighborhood because the lots are small and close together, so it's like twenty rainbow flowy-stucco houses perched on a steep hill, Italian style. It has a very nice community kitchen that you can join for $60/month, for collectively-ordered locally-grown bulk and natural foods, and all the members cook one night a week. So, co-ops and things within the greater village provide ease of access into community life. As a visitor, there's also a campground you can stay at, which is $10/night.

The Saturday tour was fantastic, I highly recommend it, it was given by a crazy evolved old Texan dude, who showed us his hobbit-like house he's building up on his hill, complete with round door, weird breed of ducks, ponds, solar panels, etc. He has a great vision, and if the whole crazy contraption doesn't wash away in a storm, I can't wait to come back and see it completed.

They have built themselves a very nice giant-gazebo of a community meeting hall, where I went to their Sunday consensus meeting, and they are also building a central community complex which will have a dining hall and places for offices and businesses. They're aiming at a village of between 200 and 300 people. While other Ecovillages I visited were organized around a Land Trust, at Earthaven the land is held by a homeowners' association. I think this is genius! Because by now suburban dwellers are totally comfortable with the idea of homeowners associations - ceding some individual rights and paying some dues for community services. This particular homeowners association is bad-ass. They hold most of their 300 acres in a nature reserve and for agriculture commons. The dues are about $250 a year, and that includes property tax, road maintenance, water & garbage. In addition, you're supposed to do some community hours of work every year on work days, attending meetings, etc. By doing work for someone you can get one unit of the local currency, a "Leap." You can trade Leaps with other residents for work you want done, and to pay off your yearly community commitment. I really like the idea of micro-economies like this, because it helps support things that are good, you know your labor isn't going into exploiting third-world girls in fumy factories, etc.

Unlike Dancing Rabbit, which was all 20 & 30-year old white couples, I found a much more vibrant mix of people at Earthaven (still unfortunately, a lack of ethnic diversity). While some kids at the full-on communes I visited seemed to be either a bit neglected, or a bit spoiled (walking right over their parents, who perhaps are afraid to be authoritarian), the kids at Earthaven were great, and particularly the teenagers were some of the most advanced souls I'd ever met. There were two who were orphan-types but had been accepted there, even without parents, and were doing cool things and got full respect as people, you know? Hanging out one evening at the "White Owl," a sort of medieval but homey tavern/cafe, a local "Dixie Chick"-like band had come to play, and there was bluegrass dancing and general merriment amongst all three generations, the place was packed, and as the evening wore on, the kids fell asleep on pillows and couches in the corner. Very sweet. They even sell powerful Kombucha there for $1.50 a glass.

The other main businesses in operation so far are a general store/internet cafe, and a mail-order herbs company, as well as a Bed & Breakfast (called the "A&A," after the initials of the owners). There are also healers and hairdressers, and some of Communities magazine is edited and run out of Earthaven, along with some people doing internet-based web-stuff. It's a small economy, and many people commute down the hill to make real money, but people are growing some of their own food, and some cash crops, and it is not an expensive place to live.

Went mountain biking one day and then running off along enticing paths into the woods, then off-path, swooping down through gulleys and up along sculpted ridges, all soft with leaves and clear of underbrush, along a mysterious creek and into a tunnel of rhododendron, finally panting at the top of a hill enclosed in the mazy green branches. It was a warm November afternoon, I was watching the sun set, thinking, "Wow, I could totally live here."

Afterwards, there was a sauna and a leap into the freezing streampool - steaming and looking up at clear stars. I left Earthaven all inspired in so many ways.

 

[brainwave]

To pull that off would precludes some basic concepts or principles that everyone understands and is in agreement with.

So, in thinking a bit more about basic principles, I would say educating people on those principles so they have the opportunity to accept or reject it would be the first step. So education as a stepping stone to changing the world.--please forgive my thing for slogans.

How to accomplish that? People who already have a good understanding of the clearly defined basic principles would already be part of some sort of community structure (virtual or brick and mortar) and be out teaching others about them. Others, non-community memberswho are seeking answers to questions about what to do considering our current world situation, will have another choice, a knowledge system even in the chaos of our current world. If course, these "teachers" would also be students use their talents to support the already existing community and who in turn are supported by it. Bit by bit, starting with this education thing, the community grows in multiple locales, keeping in mind and adjusting for the unique situation in each area. I am thinking a little bit in terms of what Burton Mack describes in, The lost gospel: the book of Q:
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Q lets us catch sight of real people struggling with a social vision. They were sustained in their efforts to actualize their vision by a small selection of aphorisms, maxims and images garnered from a profuse field of thought, lore, and mythology swirling around them in the many cultures of the time.

In other words they formulated or at least held basic principles which were preserved in the aphorisms, maxims etc. derived from many cultures.

Mack goes on to say:

At first it might seem strange to us, as if these people achieved so much when they had so little with which to work. And yet, on second thought, that is the way most people live .....
The people of Q coined a few injunctions that still work as golden rules for many Christians.[

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So educating others on the basic principles using multiple means, so that a wide variety of people can understand and build a community and a different world. As mentioned before, it would require a flexible but loosely organized structure just to pull of the education part. Then there is all the other stuff, child care, basic necessities etc.

 

[Bobo08]

Funny this morning I thought about Islamic banking after waking up. I think that money, as a medium of exchange, is not evil. Similarly, banking/lending also fills legitimate needs. What is evil is the current usurious money system. Islam, for all its evilness and oppression, has a great banking system that can be used as a base here:

[quote author=Wikipedia]
Islamic banking has the same purpose as conventional banking except that it operates in accordance with the rules of Shariah, known as Fiqh al-Muamalat (Islamic rules on transactions). The basic principle of Islamic banking is the sharing of profit and loss and the prohibition of riba (usury). Common terms used in Islamic banking include profit sharing (Mudharabah), safekeeping (Wadiah), joint venture (Musharakah), cost plus (Murabahah), and leasing (Ijarah).

In an Islamic mortgage transaction, instead of loaning the buyer money to purchase the item, a bank might buy the item itself from the seller, and re-sell it to the buyer at a profit, while allowing the buyer to pay the bank in installments. However, the fact that it is profit cannot be made explicit and therefore there are no additional penalties for late payment. In order to protect itself against default, the bank asks for strict collateral. The goods or land is registered to the name of the buyer from the start of the transaction. This arrangement is called Murabaha. Another approach is EIjara wa EIqtina, which is similar to real estate leasing. Islamic banks handle loans for vehicles in a similar way (selling the vehicle at a higher-than-market price to the debtor and then retaining ownership of the vehicle until the loan is paid).

An innovative approach applied by some banks for home loans, called Musharaka al-Mutanaqisa, allows for a floating rate in the form of rental. The bank and borrower forms a partnership entity, both providing capital at an agreed percentage to purchase the property. The partnership entity then rent out the property to the borrower and charges rent. The bank and the borrower will then share the proceed from this rent based on the current equity share of the partnership. At the same time, the borrower in the partnership entity also buys the bank's share on the property at agreed installments until the full equity is transferred to the borrower and the partnership is ended. If default occurs, both the bank and the borrower receives the proceeds from an auction based on the current equity. This method allows for floating rates according to current market rate such as the BLR (base lending rate), especially in a dual-banking system like in Malaysia.

There are several other approaches used in business transactions. Islamic banks lend their money to companies by issuing floating rate interest loans. The floating rate of interest is pegged to the company's individual rate of return. Thus the bank's profit on the loan is equal to a certain percentage of the company's profits. Once the principal amount of the loan is repaid, the profit-sharing arrangement is concluded. This practice is called Musharaka. Further, Mudaraba is venture capital funding of an entrepreneur who provides labor while financing is provided by the bank so that both profit and risk are shared. Such participatory arrangements between capital and labor reflect the Islamic view that the borrower must not bear all the risk/cost of a failure, resulting in a balanced distribution of income and not allowing lender to monopolize the economy.
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[seek10]

It is a interesting topic. I suppose the scope of this discussion is more or less related to remaining 5 years and on to early stages of the 4D STO existence. Interestingly last week, some economic articles cropped up saying people didn't revolt until unemployment reached 25% in 1930's and currently it is sitting at 17%.

The evil is a ACTIVE force ( though it successfully convinced every body that doesn't exist ) not the passive force, so any decisions thwart is temporary unless dynamic active component of nature of evil and its tactics is ingrained in the people through education. As we are clear that ponerisation is a active 4D STS component through their 3D minions of shadow government and their unwitting ignorant common man, any solution should involved 4D STO in the form of higher centers integration and spreading, often with the shade of

Interestingly, traditional indian education system ( pre independent india ) had some clues. It is a system called 'GuruKulam'. . During that time, it is third way guru's setup the schools ( ashrams) and children got inter mingled as a family and lived with the guru's lived as a part of cultivation and education, meditation etc. That way student gets exposure wide range of subjects of survival, later these students spread to the government positions and many of them with this early spiritual education, could able to behave with integrity. One important part of this education is nature of evil in the form of stories. Later part , it is the individuals that made huge difference in eradicating lot of social evils india and making the difference. Even gandhi had a ashram in gujarat , when he initially established , there is no road to it. people have to walk across the field and he (his followers ) built his own houses and cultivated his own food, raised his own cattle etc.

With out the education of nature of evil and its techniques ( ponerisation , shock doctrines , financial bubbles, military , security, financial, pharmaceutical Industrial complexes through the shadow tactics ) , any thing we do is more or less useless. There is saying in India , the basic needs of humas are ' food, clothes and housing' and then comes education., so any change we think has to go very LONG way to even reach the masses. If we looked at the lifes of these dedicated people who made the difference, one thing that comes out is wide travel with one or more working tools ( activism for social changes and meditation tools in case of yogananda with some spiritual and medical philosophy ) and establishing the local volunteers to keep the fire alive and spread. Hopefully the coming dimensional merger and emotional pain of common man under shock doctrines will add fuel to the fire to burn the forests of darkness to create more light.

 

[RflctnOfU]

In a society/world where every aspect is twisted and ponerized, there is no where to look where things can't be vastly improved. So, it's going to take me a while to think about this one. The first thing that comes to mind is Objective education - for all - at no charge. The educational environment should entail learning in a natural way that encourages independent thought to develop and should never be co-opted by the Military Industrial Complex to create small, non-thinking and frightened cogs to fit into the machine, working as wage slaves.

I agree with this anart. Some thoughts I've had regarding a potential educational system structure would be three-fold, in the following general terms, which would encourage individuality and creativity the most:

1) ages 3-13 foundational education - including fundamentals such as language, mathematics (music as extension of mathematics), psychology (including the psychology of language), arts and crafts (carpentry, mechanics, etc.) , homeopathy/medicine, etc.

2) ages 13-23 supporting education - extending individuality/creativity and going further in depth in the basics beginning to touch upon philosophy extending to the philosophy of the various subjects already learned and also philology, cosmology, sociology, and various other -ologies. This period will begin to recognize natural inclinations/strengths for 'career' path to follow as well as strengthening weaknesses observed.

3) ages 23-33 Upon the foundation and support already established, in depth studies gone into with a 'focus' on career path and associated branches of knowledge . . . perhaps an 'apprentice-ship' style of learning?

(after reading this, it seems this overall structure is embodied already, but with a different vector/path [non-creativity/cog in the machine])

As far as 'political system', a BIG revamp is in order. For instance, Laura floated the idea a couple of years ago about a lottery of sorts. I think that is excellent. 2 terms MAX (non-consecutive) 3 years a term. 'Employment' held while serving (it would be an honor after all). All branches of society represented (agriculture, arts, sciences, engineers, etc). MUST have some life experience, so ineligible for lottery until age 40 or thereabouts. Psychological 'examination' requiring being 'passed' (NO PSYCHOPATHS/OTHER-OPATHS NEED APPLY type of thing) to be entered into lottery.

As far as economics/social cohesion, the only thing I was able to come up with was a true commune(community) type of setting, barter of sorts. In any given community, everyone works for the whole 3 hours a day, with rest of individual time spent doing ones 'passion'/career path. (In a community of 1000 people that is 3000 work hours a day being done.)

Organized religion be damned (duh :)).

Law : Just one principle - treat others as you wish to be treated (golden rule) [It seems to me that this is an STO principle]

my $.02

Kris