Creating a New World

Balberon said:
This is a difficult area. There could be a leader. The person could/would choose counsel members, or they could be voted for. There would have to be trust. Perhaps instead of a leader there would only be a counsel. Maybe the counsel, instead of having a leader would have a voice that speaks through one particular person.
I think you have a good point here. However I'm not sure the 'term' leader is a good example; how about elder? And if there were to be a council, I feel a group of 'elders' would be best. Individuals who already have extensive Objective Knowledge and are highly STO oriented - those that would have the most experience than the rest of us.

Balberon said:
I like the idea of a single leader, but then such a system could become 'dynasty' like and become corrupted.

But would this be possible in an STO society? If the society is already polarized to the STO orientation, and have already learned the mistakes of naivety and falling into subjectivity, then I'm not sure 'corruption' would even be a possibility because we would have already learned the mistakes of that route - as we are learning now.

Balberon said:
What is and isn't fair? What is just in terms of law, justice, crime and punishment? How does a group/governing body not come under the effects of Ponerization?
Like I said above, if this is an STO society, I think the margins for "crime and punishment" would be non-existentl. And the way a governing body to not fall subject to ponerization would be through knowledge. If you didn't already have this knowledge, Self-Knowledge, then I'm not sure you'd be living in an STO society.

Anart said:
The first thing that comes to mind is Objective education - for all - at no charge. The educational environment should entail learning in a natural way that encourages independent thought to develop and should never be co-opted by the Military Industrial Complex to create small, non-thinking and frightened cogs to fit into the machine, working as wage slaves.

I agree with this very much. Objective education would be immensely important. Without out it I don't think an STO civilization would be able to survive or even exist.

Mac said:
But what if psychopathy were well known and persons with those tendencies were easily identified.
I think it is better to be more careful and suppose they are not easy to identify. They can adapt and appear as the most benevolent creatures in the universe. The devil wraps in light cloths


Yes, but in an STO society, would there even be such things as Psychopaths? Psychopaths seem to be, IMO, a necessity and requirement of an STS society for the purpose of learning. Once one transcends STS impulses through self-awareness and objective knowledge, what purpose would a psychopath have in an STO environment? None, IMO.


Laura said:
I would just like for all participants to think about what is wrong with our world and what they would like to see happen to make it right.
Csayeursost said:
I don't think it's possible to make a 3D STS world "right".

I agree entirely here. I personally don't think thinking in terms of what is 'wrong' with this world and how we would 'like to see it' is a good use of energy. This seems to be falling into subjectivity and giving into our subjective desires of how we 'want to see the world'. Because in the end, these desires will never manifest and this world will continue to play itself out as it has done for who knows how long. And this would seem to me to be ultimately placing a judgment on what the objective meaning of this reality is. Because it would seem to me that no matter how much we do this this realm will always be STS no matter what, so it seems ultimately pointless.

Now if we were discussing what an STO realm might be like without thinking in our STS terms, that would make more sense.

But then, as Csayeurost said:
Csayeurost said:
In short, if you are speaking of a more STO way of doing things within a STS world, then all that would differ[...] Seen this way (simply as a school), it is impossible to make it "better" or "worse" so long as it sustains life capable of choosing a path. But in terms of "more STO"... Well, trying to think of some sort of genuinely close-to-STO society within the framework of this world simply boggles my mind. Such a hopeless clash of concepts, and of ideas and the realities of 3D STS human existence... In addition, I'll admit I'm fairly apathetic to this idea and to all of the limited possibilities within a 3D STS existence apart from simply learning and progressing.

But ultimately I think if we were actually living in an STO environment (totally different realm) everyone would take care of each other. Objective knowledge would prevail in all of it's many forms. Sickness, Disease, Poverty, Crime, Punishment would all be non-existent. The needs of the people would be taken care of as there would be no anticipation, as is written in chapter 24 of the Wave: Lucifer and the Pot of Gold or the Quest for the Holy Grail of No Anticipation.

Altogether I think we would first of all, since we would be free from subjectivity, have a wider range of possibilities and accessibility from the universe and creation at large that we can't even begin to comprehend, but in small increments. With this, our possibilities of how we would manage, and how a society would run, might ultimately be unlimited given the fact that we would be in harmony with the universe and creation at large. For all we know, we might not even have to worry about the things an STS environment has to worry about in order to survive and to sustain itself I.E. Feeding on the Life of Lower Beings, because perhaps being in harmony with creation - giving back to the universe - it would simply take care of us and whatever basic needs we might have in an STO realm.

Just my thoughts - am probably totally off base. O-well.
 
What about "laissez faire" as an economic model to start with? I believe it's the only one that has never been implemented precisely because it severely limits 'government' participation.

Education could consist of history being divided into time-lines and all subjects taught at once so that people can easily see the rise and fall of objective, productive achievements along with the rise and fall of the parasite classes (tax paid politicians, beaurucrats, etc.) along with discoveries in science and technology - all interweaving at the same time.

Plus, psychopathology would be taught in the early grades as well, on a level appropriate to the learners.

I'll bet there's enough information on the forum right now to implement a curriculum in all these areas.

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lais·sez faire
n.
1. An economic doctrine that opposes governmental regulation of or interference in commerce beyond the minimum necessary for a free-enterprise system to operate according to its own economic laws.
2. Noninterference in the affairs of others.
 
This is such an amazing thread. I love all the contributions and I think everyone has good points. So far, many people have discussed ways of building an STO community. I must admit that at first I did not think such a thing was possible in this life time, but somehow, seeing all these contributions gives me hope. Anyway I just wanted to jump in with a thought. The communities we speak of so far have only been on a smaller scale, as far as numbers of people go.

T.C touched on my line of thought when he stated:

T.C. said:
Structurally, I envisage each country as they are now, divided into smaller regional networks. Those networks each have their own council of wise people; they are the people who view the world the most objectively, and have that ability as a result of their thirst for knowledge driving them to educate themselves in the most important issues facing humanity.

They oversee and analyse the running of their regional networks economic, educational, cultural activities based on principals which include care and concern for peoples health and well being, sustainable resource management etc., and a drive to learn what works well and how to implement the same.

Personally, when I envision a 3DSTO environment, I see no countries what so ever. The idea of “country” makes me think about boarders, which leads to the idea of owning land. “This here is my land, this here is your land,” sort of thing does not seem very STO to me. An STO world makes me think of a world where we are not known by our cultural differences but by our similarities. Where we refer to ourselves as “Earthicans” , “Earthanites”, or “Earthinians” or designation of that sort. Signifying our stance in the universe as a planetary body of people, with one mind sort to speak. Not ‘American’ or ‘Canadian’ or European, etc… I really don’t know how that would work but that’s something I have always thought about. :cool2:

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I just wanted to clarify what I meant by this
I must admit that at first I did not think such a thing was possible in this life time, but somehow, seeing all these contributions gives me hope.
That I’m aware that we live in a 3D STS realm and it is subject to indulge in these kinds of thought since we are far from STO. However, I don’t see what’s wrong with a bit of conversation between like-minded people, what they envision an STO world to be like. I think anart said it best… (emphasis mine)
anart said:
What if this learning necessarily has to encompass understanding what it would take, and what it would mean, to create a healthy society in 3D that works as it should according to an STO dynamic? What if this learning encompasses pushing our minds to think in a limitless fashion - limitless thinking and Doing - taking action to Create – and this thread is the first step of such an endeavor? How do these 'what ifs' - these possibilities - affect your self-acknowledged reactive thinking on this topic?
 
Well this discussion sure gives a lot of food for thought. I've been thinking about it all day and my first thoughts were about what I don't like about this STS world. Thinking more on what it would be like to create a STO world, education would be on the top of the list something similar to what Lúthien posted of Laura's excellent post on education. I also like what Lobaczewski had to say about "council of Wise men". It seems to me that the two woven together would help make a great foundation.

I don't like anything that has to do with a hierarchical system, when was the last time there was a truly righteous king? Hugo Chaves has some interesting idea's about starting small grass root community based organizations to help deal with social and political problems. I was thinking along the lines of small communities being like spokes on a wheel each spoke connected to the center or common good. It seems to me that in order to work towards a more STO path we have to come to some common ground, so many humans are so disconnected from each other some how we have to find a way to reconnect with each other. Not a simple solution...... lots to think about.
 
I might be off topic, here and in what is to follow. I just had a thought (it's rare, but it does happen :P ). We are in an STS universe. OK that's a given. What if we need to find a way toward anchoring a more STO frequency. It's just an over all theme it felt like the conversation was going in. So I looked up anchor(ing initially) in the older transcripts but found nearly nothing, but thought to look up a recent transcript.

July 16th '09
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12993.0
Laura, Ark, G**, Scottie, C**, P L, Don D, Allen, A**, Joe wrote:

Q: (L) Well this is all very interesting stuff. Why weren't you telling us this a long time ago? (laughter)

A: We think you know that! There was much you needed to learn on your own for strength and also there was the factor of trust. We understand that humanity has been led astray many times and there is a lot of metaphysical "noise" out there. After this time, we think that even with the "open" nature of the future and reality, we have not misled. The first 6 years were spent trying to increase your awareness and help to purge illusions. Now you see the changes in your world that we spoke of. Now, we hope that you will begin to understand that there is hope, but that we and all other STO beings can only act through you (pause) in the collective sense.

Q: (L) Oh, I see. (Ark) What you see? (L) I just got the word "collective" - I was wondering what in the world that word was in there for. Okay. (Ark) They said there is still hope? That's what they said? (L) I guess the hope is how we meet the wave, and what our world is like after. When you have a wave, a tsunami, you can do like that guy did in the movie Krakatoa. Ya know, throw out your anchor and head into it, tie yourself to the wheel, and grin a lot! That was so cool! [ :cool2: ] So, is that basically what we're talking about here? The wave is gonna happen and how we meet it depends on what we do to prepare and that we can...

A: Yes. And there are a lot of the "elite" who will go under. As we once said it will be a "triple bad day" for Rockefeller and his ilk.

Q: (L) So in other words, we've gotta learn to dance. Does EVERYBODY have to learn to dance?! (laughter)

A: No, only the young ones and those who are able. But... it would be powerful!

Just something that came to mind, kind of hard to describe, as if a bunch of posts summarized into a theme in my mind. Oh yeah, they call that learning - ! - Holy Toledo is it ever fun! :)


Edit
From looking up anchoring I found this- February 25, 1995 CD, BP, TM, GB, SV, TR and JR, F***, Laura, DJ:

(BP) Could they offer general suggestions... I know they won't tell us what to do, but this is a general question for all who are anchoring light, who want to be of service, can they offer any specific suggestions for us...
A: STO, not just "light." [Planchette flies off board.]

Apologies for editing/re-editing
 
Deedlet said:
Personally, when I envision a 3DSTO environment, I see no countries what so ever. The idea of “country” makes me think about boarders, which leads to the idea of owning land. “This here is my land, this here is your land,” sort of thing does not seem very STO to me. An STO world makes me think of a world where we are not known by our cultural differences but by our similarities. Where we refer to ourselves as “Earthicans” , “Earthanites”, or “Earthinians” or designation of that sort. Signifying our stance in the universe as a planetary body of people, with one mind sort to speak. Not ‘American’ or ‘Canadian’ or European, etc… I really don’t know how that would work but that’s something I have always thought about. :cool2:

Yes same here. (There was once a contest in which I was participating and we had to finish a line which was like this:
Freedom means to me...'' . After some thinking I came up with:
Freedom means to me an open field without any borders/limits)

Fun indeed Balberon! :D
 
Great Topic, great posts. I believe it to be Vital that we think about this, and understand exactly what needs to be done to accomplish a STO environment.

Laura's article about how to educate our children is right on the money.

thevenusian said:
These are just some rough ideas that barely scratch the surface of this enormous topic. It has been fun to think about this all day. It sure does highlight the difference between STS and STO. In some ways it seems it could be simply the difference between 'what can I get?' and 'what can I give?'

This was the first thing that came to my mind reading this thread.

Gonna need more time to think, I feel a brainmelt coming on..
 
Thanks for this great topic of discussion. Education is the first thing that came to mind - whether it is an effort to build such a world or sustain it after it is built, education does seem to be the cornerstone. Some points to consider in this regard:
* The basic broad goal of life - learning personally and collectively
* An introduction to where we stand in the universe: how we share the universe with beings of greater and lesser capabilities
* An acknowledgement of the two polarities in existence (STS and STO) and the struggle between these forces and how this struggle is a natural way of life and how the matter of choice manifests in our lives
* An emphasis on self knowledge - this would include psychology in its broadest terms, 4th Way teachings etc

It seems that most systems that we as humans have built have been strongly influenced (consciously or otherwise) by the ideas of a God/Creator (or lack of one in case of some ideologies), the broader goals of life (if any), how we view 'others' etc. So my current thinking is that unless some of these fundamental issues are taken care of, many positive and beneficial systems will yield results opposite of the original intention. As examples, community living, equitable distribution of wealth, a council of wise men/women for governance -- all these models (at least the essential flavor of them) have been tried out in the known history of man and have not been sustainable. So a relatively clear idea about some of these basic concepts/questions seems to be required as the foundation upon which more elaborate structures can be built.

The point raised about everybody having equal rights but not equal abilities is very important regarding any sustainable social order. Read this a long time ago in Tao Te Ching I believe that the ruler is encouraged not to glorify certain vocations or men of superior abilities in contrast to others - as this breeds jealousy and competition. If everybody does perform a function in society which is in keeping with his abilities, then perhaps it makes sense to treat all these functions with equal importance. It is the "desirability" of certain glorified vocations ( eg filmstars, rock-stars, sportsmen as some pretty obvious examples in western society; others may include positions of monetary and political power) that lead to unhealthy competition - osit. For an economic/fiscal policy to be just and sustainable, the issues of greed, competition etc need to be dealt with using proper awareness and education. Otherwise, we can build a great economic /fiscal system, but to make it yield desired results without being co-opted by greed, we need to keep on making rules and regulations which may turn out a result quite different from what it was originally intended.
 
This is quite an interesting and complicated topic and it does require much food for thought.

Fifth Way said:
The phenomenon of empathy comes to mind.
And the aim to serve others which inevitably brings inner growth which inevitably brings inner growth to the species, thus promotes evolution to a higher consciousness for mankind.

My first thought was right in line with this as well. I believe human kind needs to start from within first in order to even conceive living in a STO environment. There are too many programs and systems that need to be modified and some of which need to be trashed all together. People simply need to stop believing they know whats best for everyone else and work on the person in the mirror instead. I feel that this is exactly whats happened to a lot of us and by some of the posts I've read, I can also tell there is a lot of love between us all. And most of us have never even met! It actually blows me away to think of what the world would be like if IT was our forum and everyone communicated (networked) the way we do. If we were all on the same page there wouldn't be as much dispute about anything because we would all do whats in the best interest of human kind.
 
Well, obviously, having some say in how your environment is ordered is a popular idea!

First of all, let's not get bogged down in ideas of being in a 4D reality, let's just stick to what we know: this reality.

There are those who have said that this reality is STS by nature and can't be any other way, but is that necessarily so? The Cs have said that there was once a time when the 3D world was aligned with 4D STO. There have been a few hints about such a world, but we are encouraged to try to figure it out for ourselves. After all:

Cs said:
Life is religion. Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God. Those who are asleep are those of little faith in terms of their interaction with the creation. Some people think that the world exists for them to overcome or ignore or shut out. For those individuals, the worlds will cease. They will become exactly what they give to life. They will become merely a dream in the "past." People who pay strict attention to objective reality right and left, become the reality of the "Future."

I would really like for ya'll to read that over a few times and contemplate its meaning at the deepest level.

And, for "andi": obviously, you don't trust me at all. You impute to me motives behind this topic that are apparently, so disturbing to you that you don't even want to participate. I would really like for you to spell it out a bit more clearly. Your post in this thread attracted my attention, and so I took the time to read all your posts on this forum and, quite frankly, the only "feeling" I get about you is something like a "posting machine" that is a very bad speller: a lot of noise and no content.

The thing that seems to have garnered the most attention is education.

Buddy, your suggestion about laissez faire economics is a dud. That is, actually, what is running this world at the corporate level, with corporations having the rights of individuals. In a world where pathologicals have created their ramified networks in society, laissez faire means "dog eat dog" and "top dog gets it all."

Lobaczewski has been quoted about his "council of elders" and someone mentioned a "circles within circles" concept that was really interesting.

The thing is, in formulating a New World, one has to use a lot of External Considering: that is, one must consider the psychological make-up and state of human beings. I would like for all of you to take a few moments and read: Moral Endo-skeletons and Exo-skeletons: A Perspective on America's Cultural Divide and Current Crisis.

Okay... you've read it. Now, what can an STO world do for the "exo-skeleton" types? Those are people who need a structure, need guidance, may be OPs - but still are living beings and require concern and care.

Consider what Lobaczewski wrote about human beings and society:

Lobaczewski said:
In order to understand humanity, however, we must gain a primary understanding of mankind’s instinctive substratum and appreciate its salient role in the life of individuals and societies. This role easily escapes our notice, since our human species’ instinctive responses seem so self-evident and are so much taken for granted that it arouses insufficient interest. A psychologist, schooled in the observation of human beings, does not fully appreciate the role of this eternal phenomenon of nature until he has years of professional experience.

Man’s instinctive substratum has a slightly different biological structure than that of animals. Energetically speaking, it has become less dynamic and become more plastic, thereby giving up its job as the main dictator of behavior. It has become more receptive to the controls of reasoning, without, however, losing much of the rich specific contents of the human kind.

It is precisely this phylogenetically developed basis for our experience, and its emotional dynamism, that allow individuals to develop their feelings and social bounds, enabling us to intuit other people’s psychological state and individual or social psychological reality. It is thus possible to perceive and understand human customs and moral values. From infancy, this substratum stimulates various activities aiming at the development of the mind’s higher functions. In other words, our instinct is our first tutor, whom we carry inside all our lives. Proper child-rearing is thus not limited to teaching a young person to control the overly violent reactions of his instinctual emotionalism; it also ought to teach him to appreciate the wisdom of nature contained and speaking through his instinctive endowment.

This substratum contains millions of years’ worth of bio-psychological development that was the product of species’ life conditions, so it neither is nor can be a perfect creation. Our well known weaknesses of human nature and errors in the natural perception and comprehension of reality have thus been conditioned on that phylogenetic level for millennia.

The common substratum of psychology has made it possible for peoples throughout the centuries and civilizations to create concepts regarding human, social, and moral matters which share significant similarities. Inter-epochal and interracial variations in this area are less striking than those differentiating persons whose instinctual human substratum is normal from those who are carriers of an instinctual bio-psychological defect, though they are members of the same race and civilization. ...

Man has lived in groups throughout his prehistory, so our species’ instinctual substratum was shaped in this tie, thus conditioning our emotions as regards the mining of existence. The need for an appropriate internal structure of commonality, and a striving to achieve a worthy role within that structure, are encoded at this very level. In the final analysis, our self-preservation instinct is rivaled by another feeling: the good of society demands that we make sacrifices, sometimes even the supreme sacrifice. At the same time, however, it is worth pointing out that if we love a man, we love his human instinct above all.

Our zeal to control anyone harmful to ourselves or our group is so primal in its near-reflex necessity as to leave no doubt that it is also encoded at the instinctual level. Our instinct, however, does not differentiate between behavior motivated by simple human failure and behavior performed by individuals with pathological aberrations. Quite the contrary: we instinctively tend to judge the latter more severely, harkening to nature’s striving to eliminate biologically or psychologically defective individuals. Our tendency to such evil generating error is thus conditioned at the instinctual level.

It is also at this level that differences begin to occur between normal individuals, influencing the formation of their characters, world views, and attitudes. The primary differences are in the bio-psychical dynamism of this substratum; differences of content are secondary. For some people the sthenic instinct supersedes psychology; for others, it easily relinquishes control to reason. It also appears that some people have a somewhat richer and more subtle instinctual endowment than others. Significant deficiencies in this heritage nevertheless occur in only a tiny percentage of the human population; and we perceive this to be qualitatively pathological. We shall have to pay closer attention to such anomalies, since they participate in that pathogenesis of evil which we would like to understand more fully.

A more subtle structure of effect is built upon our instinctual substratum, thanks to constant cooperation from the latter as well as familial and societal child-rearing practices. With time, this structure becomes a more easily observable component of our personality, within which it plays an integrative role. This higher effect is instrumental in linking us to society, which is why its correct development is a proper duty of pedagogues and constitutes one of the objects of a psychotherapist’s efforts, if perceived to be abnormally formed. Both pedagogues and psychotherapists sometimes feel helpless, if this process of formation was influenced by a defective instinctual substratum.

Thanks to memory, that phenomenon ever better described by psychology, but whose nature remains partly mysterious, man stores life-experiences and purposely acquired knowledge. There are extensive individual variations in regard to this capacity, its quality, and its contents. A young person also looks at the world differently from an old man endowed with a good memory. People with a good memory and a great deal of knowledge have a greater tendency to reach for the written data of collective memory in order to supplement their own.

This collected material constitutes the subject matter of the second psychological process, namely association; our understanding of its characteristics is constantly improving, although we have not yet been able to shed sufficient light upon its nurturance. In spite of, or maybe thanks to, the value judgments contributed to this question by psychologists and psychoanalysts, it appears that achieving a satisfactory synthetic understanding of the associative processes will not be possible unless and until we humbly decide to cross the boundaries of purely scientific comprehension.

Our reasoning faculties continue to develop throughout our entire active lives, thus, accurate judgmental abilities do not peak until our hair starts greying and the drive of instinct, emotion, and habit begins to abate. It is a collective product derived from an interaction between man and his environment, and from many generations’ worth of creation and transmission. The environment may also have a destructive influence upon the development of our reasoning faculties. In its environment in particular, the human mind is contaminated by conversive thinking , which is the most common anomaly in this process. It is for this reason that the proper development of mind requires periods of solitary reflection on occasion.

Man has also developed a psychological function not found among animals. Only man can apprehend a certain quantity of material or abstract imaginings within his field of attention, inspecting them internally in order to effect further operations of the mind upon this material. This enables us to confront facts, affect constructive and technical operations, and predict future results. If the facts subjected to internal projection and inspection deal with man’s own personality, man performs an act of introspection essential for monitoring the state of a human personality and the meaning of his own behavior. This act of internal projection and inspection complements our consciousness; it characterizes no species other than the human. However, there is exceptionally wide divergence among individuals regarding the capacity for such mental acts. The efficiency of this mental function shows a somewhat low statistical correlation with general intelligence.

Thus, if we speak of man’s general intelligence, we must take into account both its internal structure and the individual differences occurring at every level of this structure. The substratum of our intelligence, after all, contains nature’s instinctual heritage of wisdom and error, giving rise to the basic intelligence of life experience. Superimposed upon this construct, thanks to memory and the associative capacity, is our ability to effect complex operations of thought, crowned by the act of internal projection, and to constantly improve their correctness. We are variously endowed with these capabilities, which makes for a mosaic of individually variegated talents.

Basic intelligence grows from this instinctual substratum under the influence of an amicable environment and a readily accessible compendium of human experience; it is intertwined with higher effect, enabling us to understand others and to intuit their psychological state by means of some naive realism. This conditions the development of moral reason.

This layer of our intelligence is widely distributed within society; the overwhelming majority of people have it, which is why we can so often admire the tact, the intuition, of social relationships, and sensible morality of people whose intellectual gifts are only average. We also see people with an outstanding intellect who lack these very natural values. As is the case with deficiencies in the instinctual substratum, the deficits of this basic structure of our intelligence frequently take on features we perceive as pathological.

The distribution of human intellectual capacity within societies is completely different, and its amplitude has the greatest scope. Highly gifted people constitute a tiny percentage of each population, and those with the highest quotient of intelligence constitute only a few per thousand. In spite of this, however, the latter play such a significant role in collective life that any society attempting to prevent them from fulfilling their duty does so at its own peril. At the same time, individuals barely able to master simple arithmetic and the art of writing are, in the majority, normal people whose basic intelligence is often entirely adequate.

It is a universal law of nature that the higher a given species’ psychological organization, the greater the psychological differences among individual units. Man is the most highly organized species; hence, these variations are the greatest. Both qualitatively and quantitatively, psychological differences occur in all structures of the human personality dealt with here, albeit in terms of necessary oversimplification. Profound psychological variegations may strike some as an injustice of nature, but they are her right and have meaning.

Nature’s seeming injustice, alluded to above, is, in fact, a great gift to humanity, enabling human societies to develop their complex structures and to be highly creative at both the individual and collective level. Thanks to psychological variety, the creative potential of any society is many times higher than it could possibly be if our species were psychologically more homogeneous. Thanks to these variations, the societal structure implicit within can also develop. The fate of human societies depends upon the proper adjustment of individuals within this structure and upon the manner in which innate variations of talents are utilized.

Our experience teaches us that psychological differences among people are the cause of misunderstandings and problems. We can overcome these problems only if we accept psychological differences as a law of nature and appreciate their creative value. This would also enable us to gain an objective comprehension of man and human societies; unfortunately, it would also teach us that equality under the law is inequality under the law of nature.

If we observe our human personality by consistently tracking psychological causation within, if we are able to exhaust the question to a sufficient degree, we shall come ever closer to phenomena whose biopsychological energy is very low, which begin to manifest themselves to us with certain characteristic subtlety. Discovering this phenomenon, we then attempt to track our associations particularly because we have exhausted the available analytical platform. Finally, we must admit to noticing something within us which is a result of supra-sensory causation. This path may be the most laborious of all, but it will nevertheless lead to the most material certainty regarding the existence of what all the major religious systems talk about. Attaining some small piece of truth via this path brings us to respect for some of the teachings of the ancients regarding the existence of something beyond the material universe.

If we thus wish to understand mankind, man as whole, without abandoning the laws of thought required by the objective language, we are finally forced to accept this reality, which is within each of us, whether normal or not, whether we have accepted it because we have been brought up that way, or have achieved such gnosis on our own, or whether we have rejected it for reasons of materialism or science. After all, invariabley, when we analyze negative psychological attitudes, we always discern an affirmation which has been repressed from the field of consciousness. As a consequence, the constant subconscious effort of denying concepts about existing things engenders a zeal to eliminate them in other people.
Trustfully opening our mind to perception of this reality is thus indispensable for someone whose duty is to understand other people, and is advisable for everyone else as well. Thanks to this, our mind is rendered free of internal tensions and stresses and can be liberated from its tendency to select and substitute information, including those areas which are more easily accessible to naturalistic comprehension.

The human personality is unstable by its very nature, and a lifelong evolutionary process is the normal state of affairs. Some political and religious systems advocate slowing down this process or achieving excessive stability in our personalities, but these are unhealthy states from the point of view of psychology. If the evolution of a human personality or world view becomes frozen long and deeply enough, the condition enters the realm of psychopathology. The process of personality transformation reveals its meaning thanks to its own creative nature which is based on the conscious acceptance of this creative changing as the natural course of events.

Our personalities also pass through temporary destructive periods as a result of various life events, especially if we undergo suffering or meet with situations or circumstances which are at variance with our prior experiences and imaginings. These so-called disintegrative stages are often unpleasant, although not necessarily so. A good dramatic work, for instance, enables us to experience a disintegrative state, simultaneously calming down the unpleasant components and furnishing creative ideas for a renewed reintegration of our own personalities. True theater therefore causes the condition known as catharsis.

A disintegrative state provokes us to mental efforts in attempts to overcome it in order to regain active homeostasis. Overcoming such states, in effect, correcting our errors and enriching our personalities, is a proper and creative process of reintegration, leading to a higher level of understanding and acceptance of the laws of life, to a better comprehension of self and others, and to a more highly developed sensitivity in interpersonal relationships. Our feelings also validate the successful achievement of a reintegrative state: the unpleasant conditions we have survived are endowed with meaning. Thus, the experience renders us better prepared to confront the next disintegrative situation.

If, however, we have proved unable to master the problems which occurred because our reflexes were too quick to repress and substitute the uncomfortable material from our consciousness, or for some similar reason, our personality undergoes retroactive egotization, but it is not free of the sensation of failure. The results are devolutionary; the person becomes more difficult to get along with. If we cannot overcome such a disintegrative state because the causative circumstances were overpowering or because we lacked the information essential for constructive use, our organism reacts with a neurotic condition.

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The diagram of the human personality presented herein, summarized and simplified for reasons of necessity, makes us aware of how complex human beings are in their structure, their changes, and their mental and spiritual lives. If we wish to create social sciences whose descriptions of our reality would be capable of enabling us to rely on them in practice, we must accept this complexity and make certain that it is sufficiently respected. Any attempt to substitute this basic knowledge with the help of oversimplifying schemes leads to loss of that indispensable convergence between our reasoning and the reality we are observing. It behooves us to reemphasize that using our natural language of psychological imaginations for this purpose cannot be a substitute for objective premises.

Similarly, it is extremely difficult for a psychologist to believe in the value of any social ideology based on simplified or even naive psychological premises. This applies to any ideology which attempts to over-simplify psychological reality, whether it be one utilized by a totalitarian system or, unfortunately, by democracy as well. People are different. Whatever is qualitatively different and remains in a state of permanent evolution cannot be equal.

The above-mentioned statements about human nature apply to normal people, with a few exceptions. However, each society on earth contains a certain percentage of individuals, a relatively small but active minority, who cannot be considered normal.

We emphasize that here we are dealing with qualitative, not statistical, abnormality. Outstandingly intelligent persons are statistically abnormal, but they can be quite normal members of society from the qualitative point of view. We are going to be looking at individuals that are statistically small in number, but whose quality of difference is such that it can affect hundreds, thousands, even millions of other human beings in negative ways.

The individuals we wish to consider are people who reveal morbid phenomena, and in whom mental deviations and anomalies of various qualities and intensities can be observed. Many such people are driven by internal anxieties: they search for unconventional paths of action and adjustment to life with a certain characteristic hyperactivity. In some cases, such activity can be pioneering and creative, which ensures societal tolerance for some of these individuals. Some psychiatrists, especially Germans, have praised such people as embodying the principal inspiration for the development of civilization; this is a damagingly unilateral view of reality. Laymen in the field of psychopathology frequently gain the impression that such persons represent some extraordinary talents. This very science, however, then goes on to explain that these individuals’ hyperactivity and sense of being exceptional are derived from their drive to overcompensate for a feeling of some deficiency. This aberrant attitude results in the obscuration of the truth: that normal people are the richest of all.

Perhaps Approaching Infinity will boil some of the obtuse verbiage of the above passage down into simpler terms. It is rich with things we need to consider, but definitely a difficult read for many!

Anyway, years ago I thought about some of the problems we are discussing and attempted to formulate a philosophy about human society that was open enough to accommodate a lot of areas that could be defined more specifically. I did not know anything about pathology at the time but the model still has a place for that consideration. I did make some suggestions about how to reform our present government which are probably not pertinent to this discussion, so I am omitting that part. I offer it only as food for thought and speculation. Anyway, here it is:

We hold the principle that, at any given moment in time, the whole of humanity constitutes a single organism in all its related parts; that these parts can be observed to hold a definite relation to one another and to the Cosmos based upon the hologram principle, that is, that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, but that any part contains in it every aspect of the whole, and that using this principle, and the body of a single human being as the microcosm, we can observe various segments of humanity to fulfill various functions as exemplified in the components of the body.

Using this principle, we observe that the relation between the vital organs of the body, and those which serve moving functions is relative to a distinction in humanity which can be given expression graphically as a bell curve; i.e. a small percentage of individuals will manifest high intelligence (the vital organs), a very large percentage will manifest "average" intelligence (the bones, sinews and muscles), another small percentage will manifest below average intelligence (chemical processes). Further, that this distinction has been used historically to justify oppression of great masses of humanity, if not actual decimation. In the body of a man, this activity could be described as abuse of one part of the body by another under the control of a third. In extreme cases, such as wars or persecutions, it could be described as self- mutilation or even suicide.

Now, it is clear that this is entirely counter- productive to the evolution, indeed, the very survival, of humanity.

We do not undertake to define any specific group as relating to any specific part of the body, we only wish to point out that those in our society who may seem, by mere observation, to serve no function at all, such as some who are mentally or physically impaired beyond any normal function, may in fact be vital to the life of the body by eliciting certain behaviors from other parts just as miniscule amounts of hormones can change the entire character of total bodily functions.

Having presented this concept, we wish to point out several pertinent facts. THE BODY OF HUMANITY HAS, HISTORICALLY, BEEN SELF- MUTILATING LIKE A HUMAN WITH A MENTAL DISORDER. This has severely limited the rate of progress. This is invariably expressed in political and economic terms. We could describe this behavior as the act of an insane man who believes his arm is a snake and hacks it off, or that his foot is a rat and crushes it. He is baffled as to why he can no longer feed himself or walk. In other words, the vital organs of humanity have forgotten their need of the masses of muscle, bone, sinew and skin which support, protect, move and, in fact, constitute the means of existence.

IN FACT, THE DISEASED BRAIN (the ruling elite) OF HUMANITY SEEMS TO HAVE DETERMINED THAT IT CAN EXIST WITHOUT A BODY FOR IT HAS TIED A NOOSE AROUND ITS OWN NECK AND IS TEETERING ON THE EDGE OF A VAST CHASM. Economically this is expressed in the fact that one percent of the population holds thirty-six percent of the wealth. This means, generally, that if the total wealth of the nation consisted in one hundred dollars, one person would have thirty-six dollars and the remaining ninety-nine people would have to divide up sixty-four dollars, that is, about .64 cents apiece.

While it is true that the brain requires a significantly higher percentage of nutrients for proper function than the remainder of the body, when this nutrition is being stolen by a tumor in the brain, or some other disease process, it creates an inequality that leads to virtual starvation of the normal brain functions which then affects the rest of the body and leads to ultimate death of the brain/body itself. This social malnutrition is the cause of the many disease processes which threaten to destroy humanity.

However, it must be noted that the body has several unique instinctive mechanisms which activate in times of extreme stress. Certain chemicals activate primeval defense actions, which, of necessity, divert energy and nutrients from other areas. In extreme cases, consciousness may be lost or a stroke may occur which, unfortunately, can cause permanent damage. Numerous revolutions in history are examples of this mechanism in the body of humanity.

The conclusion is that social problems can be expressed and even predicted through analysis of a single individuals' biological state under various stresses. It therefore becomes not merely advisable, but absolutely mandatory to nurture and provide for the masses as one would for their own body. From this philosophical standpoint, we have defined that the primary objective of government should be to correct social malnutrition and, since poverty is the mother of crime and revolution, the importance of this issue cannot be overstated. Strong medicine must be swallowed and, until the body is restored to health, supportive actions must be implemented.

We believe in prosperity and comfort and freedom from want for all. Some who are more industrious will naturally have more than others. We take no issue with that. We support and encourage enterprise. Also, organ functions require more support and energy which is naturally provided by the rest of the body. However, we seek to ensure that those who are not "organ systems" will be looked after and nourished by the organ systems which means that they will be enabled to establish and maintain a comfortable and fulfilling lifestyle.

In closing we would like to borrow a phrase to state the sum total of this philosophy: We believe in government of the people, by the people, and for the people - ALL the people - and we desire to see that it does not perish from the EARTH!

So, that is what I was thinking about the whole thing many years ago when I was in Social Work. Of course, I was pretty ignorant about a lot of things then, but I still think that comparing humanity to a body is still a useful way to look at things and helps to clarify thinking about social problems.
 
I think all the points that Lobaczewski mentioned in the excerpt taken from the last chapter of Political Ponerology (that Luthien posted earlier) are all excellent but there are two points that stood out in my mind:

Such a system would have to be evolutionary by nature, as it would be based upon an acceptance of evolution as a law of nature. Natural evolutionary factors would play an important role therein, such as the course of cognition continually processing from more primitive and easily accessible data to more actual, intrinsic, and subtle matters. The principle of evolution would have to be imprinted firmly enough upon the basic philosophical foundations of such a system so as to protect it consistently from future revolution.

And:

What is now called “penal” law would be superseded by another kind of law with a completely modernized foundation based on an understanding of the genesis of evil and of the personalities of people who commit evil.

This I think is extremely important. The nature of the psychopath and “the genesis of evil and of the personalities of people who commit evil” needs to be an integral part of the education system and the entire society should always be acutely aware of this information and never forgotten. This knowledge (Macrosocial Evil and it’s effects throughout history) should be taught and weave itself like a silver thread into the consciousness of every member of the society and into all its other aspects as well.

One form of society that may represent a more STO approach is the Amish community.
I’m not saying that it’s STO but maybe there are elements within it that set the kind of
conditions which can allow better possibilities for STO candidates (actually I know nothing about the Amish apart from what I saw in the movie ‘Witness’ starring Harrrison Ford). But I remember that Robert De Ropp said something about them in his book ‘The Master Game” (larger excerpt below).

In the book De Ropp says (of the Amish) :

They have their feet firmly planted on the breast of Mother Earth and next to their God they love their soil, the rich, deep soil of Lancaster County, a land truly flowing with milk and honey.

But then he says:

Their communities are closed or nearly closed. They do not seek converts or willingly accept them. Their lives pass on a simple, humble level, for them richly satisfying but not necessarily so for others.

This is the impression that I always had regarding the Amish. Although, I think, they truly feel the essential truth of their practices and beliefs (which have held their communities together), their rigidity could close off possibilities by limiting new knowledge input from the outside world and this might be one of those things that could inhibit those “natural evolutionary factors” (that Lobaczewski talks about) for the further evolution of their society.

Excerpt from De Ropp’s book ‘The Master Game’:

Aims Subjective and Objective
The creative community must have external aims. These may range from the growing of food to the building of a meeting-house, the running of a hospital, the creation of works of art, the pursuit of scientific research, the manufacture of some characteristic product, carpets, pottery, silverware, etc. All these external aims give to the members of the community opportunities for self-study, for observation of the working of centers, for studying the interplay of triads and octaves, for gaining insights into the nature of materiality. Every task, even the simplest, offers its own lesson, can be performed "in harmony with Tao," with double awareness and in inner silence. But the outer tasks, especially the more complex ones, invariably tend to take on a life of their own. The inner work is forgotten and the outer aims become all important. When this occurs, the "inner octave" of development comes to a halt and only the outer work continues. This cessation of the inner octave tends to occur repeatedly and demands from the leader of the community much watchfulness and insight, for his task is to apply the needed shock that will restart the inner octave. If he fails to supply it, the whole community becomes outer-directed, its energies entirely devoted to its external affairs. The community may continue to function on this level as a sort of cooperative, offering its members a livelihood, a congenial environment and a certain degree of security, but its inner light will have gone out.

If we wish to find examples of stable microcommunities in the United States, we need look no further than Pennsylvania, in which the Amish and the Mennonites live by their own standards and pursue their own inner aims and have been doing so for the past 250 years. These are "land and Bible"-based communities which have a good deal in common with the monastic way but have not made the error of imposing on themselves that unnecessary sterility which is the curse of the monk. The high rate of increase characteristic of these sturdy folk demonstrates their respect for the text, "Increase and multiply, replenish the earth." They have their feet firmly planted on the breast of Mother Earth and next to their God they love their soil, the rich, deep soil of Lancaster County, a land truly flowing with milk and honey.

When we say that their way of life has much in common with the way of monk, we refer to the intentional "doing without," the resolute simplification of existence that members of these groups have imposed on their lives. They seek neither ease nor convenience nor do they endanger their inner peace with a thousand imbecile distractions purveyed by radios, televisions, phonographs and other mechanical devices. The devout Amish will not even own a tractor, for he places the emphasis more on inner work than on ease. "A tractor gets the work done more quickly but a horse and the love of hard work keep us nearer to God," said an Amish bishop in a recent interview. They have freed themselves totally from the curse of legalized murder, refusing to bear arms, taking literally the great commandment: "Resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on they right cheek, turn to him the other also." Their distrust of the military is absolute. They will not even wear buttons on their jackets because it reminds them of the glittering brass of uniforms. The men wear beards but shave off their moustaches because the "military moustache" is for them still a symbol of a butcher of men.

The Amish and Mennonites have purchased their stability at a price. Their beliefs are fixed. Their communities are closed or nearly closed. They do not seek converts or willingly accept them. Their lives pass on a simple, humble level, for them richly satisfying but not necessarily so for others.
 
Laura said:
Buddy, your suggestion about laissez faire economics is a dud. That is, actually, what is running this world at the corporate level, with corporations having the rights of individuals. In a world where pathologicals have created their ramified networks in society, laissez faire means "dog eat dog" and "top dog gets it all."

Yep. I was thinking of a different, more idealized version formulated years ago. I need to update that.
 
An alternative economic model that I know of is this one Local exchange Trading or SEL in french.

Local Exchange Trading Systems (LETS) also known as LETSystems are local, non-profit exchange networks in which goods and services can be traded without the need for printed currency. In some places, e.g. Toronto, the scheme has been called the Local Employment and Trading System. ...
LETS networks use interest-free local credit so direct swaps do not need to be made. For instance, a member may earn credit by doing childcare for one person and spend it later on carpentry with another person in the same network. In LETS, unlike other local currencies, no scrip is issued, but rather transactions are recorded in a central location open to all members. As credit is issued by the network members, for the benefit of the members themselves, LETS are considered mutual credit systems.

One of the benefit is that it is based on local exchange between persons, there cannot be any hoarding of richness, especially if people participating in such system are aware of the ponerization process and psychopathy osit.
There must be enough categories of skills to exchange services and I think anyone has always something to offer even if they are not specialized skills.

I haven't tested this system myself so if anyone did I'd be interested to know.
 
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