Creating a New World

kalibex said:
Jodi said:
I'd love our world to not work for money. I want us to perform tasks lovingly and with our natural talents.

Jodi, you might enjoy author Harry Harrison's envisioning of the system he called Individual Mutualism (and its exchange unit, the non-material 'wirr' - or 'work unit'). It appears in his novel The Stainless Steel Rat Gets Drafted. The following wiki entry describes the planet on which this system exists (a planet to which the inhabitants had fled to essentially get away from people of violence - ie, psychopaths!):


http://stainlesssteelrat.wikia.com/wiki/Chojecki

Yes, Kalibex, thanks for sharing this. I so very much like those concepts, and I think not too far from possible given the right amount of efforts. Adding The Stainless Steel Rat Gets Drafted to my read list.

From my last post here, I resonated with this section of the wiki post:
As explained to Jim by Stirner, the basic tenet of IM is "Every individual is a separate and discrete entity, responsible for his or her own existence." When threatened with the violence of the occupation and subjuctation of their planet, followed a non-violent approach derived from theis quote from their book - "‘at all times passive resistance will be your only weapon, never violence. But until the perfect stateless state is established there will be those of violence who will force their violence upon you. Individual Mutualism cannot be established by the dead. Until the day of true liberation comes you will have to coexist with others.

It seems based on our current predicament with the state of the world and psychopaths among us, this is a pretty accurate description. Co-existing with them will require continual refinement our skills in recognizing the neutralizing force. Ways to be less desirable to them, leaning ways to be incognito. I can't help but hear echos of Stephen Verstappen from the most recent podcast when thinking of this... I don't remember the exact words, but the idea was that the MO is non-violence, BUT, in a group, we may need to rely on someone individual who can establish themselves as a physical force against violent threats. Afterall,
Individual Mutualism cannot be established by the dead.

{continued excerpt} You may leave their presence but they may follow and force themselves upon you. In which case you and all of the others must look upon those of violence as they might look upon any natural catastrophe such as a volcano or a hurricane. The intelligent person does not discuss ethics with hot lava but instead flees its presence, does not preach morals to the wind but seeks shelter from it.

So much energy can be reserved by choosing to steer clear of such "catastrophes." In doing so, it is my hope that I may then have something of value to offer when needed, rather than hanging on by threads, tending to my own wounds, and being so worn down that I am no use.
 
Katie Jo said:
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From my last post here, I resonated with this section of the wiki post:
As explained to Jim by Stirner, the basic tenet of IM is "Every individual is a separate and discrete entity, responsible for his or her own existence." When threatened with the violence of the occupation and subjuctation of their planet, followed a non-violent approach derived from theis quote from their book - "‘at all times passive resistance will be your only weapon, never violence. But until the perfect stateless state is established there will be those of violence who will force their violence upon you. Individual Mutualism cannot be established by the dead. Until the day of true liberation comes you will have to coexist with others.

It seems based on our current predicament with the state of the world and psychopaths among us, this is a pretty accurate description. Co-existing with them will require continual refinement our skills in recognizing the neutralizing force. Ways to be less desirable to them, leaning ways to be incognito. I can't help but hear echos of Stephen Verstappen from the most recent podcast when thinking of this... I don't remember the exact words, but the idea was that the MO is non-violence, BUT, in a group, we may need to rely on someone individual who can establish themselves as a physical force against violent threats. Afterall,
Individual Mutualism cannot be established by the dead.

{continued excerpt} You may leave their presence but they may follow and force themselves upon you. In which case you and all of the others must look upon those of violence as they might look upon any natural catastrophe such as a volcano or a hurricane. The intelligent person does not discuss ethics with hot lava but instead flees its presence, does not preach morals to the wind but seeks shelter from it.

So much energy can be reserved by choosing to steer clear of such "catastrophes." In doing so, it is my hope that I may then have something of value to offer when needed, rather than hanging on by threads, tending to my own wounds, and being so worn down that I am no use.

Yeah, even Malcolm X explained that we have to speak the language of the aggressors after trying diplomatic ways. Non-violent protests end up being manipulated to look violent anyway with the agent provocateurs. I am afraid that after a disaster, things will turn into how the wild west was, with more aggressive psychopaths looking to obtain resources or skilled "work".
 
Yeah, each situation would require using the third force to know what is the right thing to do. Generally violence is best avoided, but their are situations where it can't be, and even those where it can be requires a lot of knowledge and understanding, reading the signs, and a good network go a long way. But I agree that, especially in certain geographical areas, there's going to be lots of aggressive psychopaths or gangs of them on the prowl and/or marauding....
 
Katie Jo said:
Something that comes to mind, thinking of creating a "New World" - is thinking about how to create a "New World" every day. A microcosm of macrocosm. What can I do today to create a new environment? A healthy, soul nutritive place, where the people I'm around care about one another?

To illustrate what I mean I'll tell a short story from personal experience.
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Just over 10 years ago I was finishing up high school. I lived at home with my mother, "Lisa," father, "Terry," and brother, "Andy." It was always a chaotic place to be. My mother was a monster. Completely out of control, yet put on the greatest of plays when it came down to concealing what really went on at home. Verbally abusive to all of us, but especially my father - always attempting to cast him in a negative light and turn us against him, while often insinuating that he must be molesting us whenever my brother and I were affectionate and loving with him. She played a psychological game with us - as we watched her do the same to her siblings, parents, and co-workers. On the worst of occasions she became physically violent, would threaten our lives, as well as hers, and at the pinnacle of all things... the point which I could not long agree to be a part of the dynamic was when she pulled a knife on my brother and father while I was away from home.

I give credit to my aunt, Lisa's sister, for making me aware of psychopaths. I knew all my life that my mom was "bad" - as a little girl I couldn't understand her rage, but until my aunt had set the stage for a discussion about psychopathy, I didn't have a foundation to hold on to, or a way to "back up" my thoughts. Of course I had support with my dad and brother as we would brainstorm "what to do with her" and talk about what kind of messed up person you'd have to be to do X, or how we would plan our escape, but none of that ever was fueled by concrete info we could point to. There was so much self-doubt that was allowed to sneak in because we just didn't know, and because Lisa was skilled at belittling and creating sympathy. As I was beginning to learn that's just complete, documented, 1 to 1 typical psycho-faire.

Armed with knowledge and a little courage and humility I called my aunt - told her what happened and asked if she would take me in. In less than 24 hours and under Lisa's radar I made my escape - really the only way to extract oneself from a situation like this. It really is like being held hostage! As time went on in my new home I studied and read more and more on the subject - hoping to spring my brother and father from her grasp. It became more and more obvious that the only way to "deal" with psychos is to STOP associating. Not in some ways, but in ALL ways. It took quite a while for me to remove all contact with her. After all I was living with her sister, and she living with my father and brother. I tried again and again to remind Dad and Andy what she did to them and all the conversations we had about her, but it never really seemed to have a lasting affect I really struggled with that for a long time.
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Now I live in another state, geographically, and also another state, psychologically. A very new and different world than the one I previously lived in. The only way I can see a new world without the burdening influence of psychopaths is to make choices everyday not to see them (by that I mean, don't plan to meet with them), not to answer to their call, not to comment on information that comes from a "known perpetrator" - and to generally assume that everything that comes from them is deceitful.

Reading the recommended material, and perhaps experiencing it first hand, we know they use any and all things as as ammo to fire when needed, either in it's original form, or manipulated to look much differently. Provide them with nothing.

Identifying the behaviors is step one, and the networking ability of a group should help facilitate that. Hard to hide when all eyes are on you. I just can't express how differently my "world" is since removing myself from that toxic environment. It's not always the right way to go ahead and "remove" someone, somethings you just can't pluck. But you can starve things - that's for sure.

This is certainly no easy task. And in my experience, quite a painful one. I still talk with my brother (he lives elsewhere now, too), and still talk to my dad, but we must plan out phone calls for when she's not around so he can speak freely with me. I've had to work to be "ok" with my dad's (in)decision, and to recognize that I cannot "save him." It is what it is.

So if we can't pluck everything, but we know we can starve it away, then we can also work to defend against it's attachment and influence before it ever gets too close.

By denying access/fuel to psychopaths at every turn, and supporting friendlies in how to do the same, we build our immunity up against their tactics, and in turn build strong connections, and build our energies instead of letting them be milked. All else will follow. OSIT

I think you put it very well - creating a new world means going a step in that direction everyday, individually and together, osit. And I can totally understand your experience with cutting someone out of your life since I went through something similar after I found this place, and painful as it was, it literally created a new world for me!

The more we learn about psychopaths/toxic people, the better I think we get in spotting them - though it's only possible by sharing observations with others/networking, we cannot go far alone. In my case, even though in hindsight the signs were all over the place, I needed the observations of different people to finally come to the right conclusion about this psychopath I was associated with. So I think a community in which there's knowledge about psychopathy and people are sharing their observations, AND the community is not too big AND there are opportunities to observe people (as in working together, hanging out together...), maybe the psychopaths can be spotted...
 
luc said:
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I think you put it very well - creating a new world means going a step in that direction everyday, individually and together, osit. And I can totally understand your experience with cutting someone out of your life since I went through something similar after I found this place, and painful as it was, it literally created a new world for me!

The more we learn about psychopaths/toxic people, the better I think we get in spotting them - though it's only possible by sharing observations with others/networking, we cannot go far alone. In my case, even though in hindsight the signs were all over the place, I needed the observations of different people to finally come to the right conclusion about this psychopath I was associated with. So I think a community in which there's knowledge about psychopathy and people are sharing their observations, AND the community is not too big AND there are opportunities to observe people (as in working together, hanging out together...), maybe the psychopaths can be spotted...

Indeed! I felt empowered when my aunt asked me and all her sisters (including my mothers) to come over for lunch so she could talk about something she learned about, psychopathy. She called us together to talk about this because she too was dealing with a violent, irresponsible, malicious person (her son) who she felt was "not right." She read from a huge stack of papers she had printed from the internet all of the characteristic. I knew then that the information was not just for all of us to know what she was dealing with, but also for me specifically with my mother. After we went home separately I called my aunt and said, "you're describing Lisa." She gave me observations of her sister from childhood and on that helped me see more clearly her behavior, and to register in my mind that I'M NOT CRAZY. Other people that care for me are seeing the same things. A network. Small but strong.
 
Recently I came across an article entitled "The End of Capitalism." I felt a bit unsure about sharing it here, because it does seem naive at first blush - as if there's no such cosmic reaction to humankind coming down the pipe to depopulate the world of humans. In spite of this though, I feel like some of the economic and culture forces identified in the article could still blossom in the brave new world. These are highly non-linear forces which could derail many of the traditional controls set in place. Again, I hope I'm not being naive about it, since it's a very intoxicating idea and worldview. I suppose rather than a prediction article, it'd better read as an article showing the type of world we could be living in, had STO forces overcame the STS in the world. Perhaps they will, yet. Almost certainly not in this form though.

_http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jul/17/postcapitalism-end-of-capitalism-begun

The end of capitalism has begun Without us noticing, we are entering the postcapitalist era. At the heart of further change to come is information technology, new ways of working and the sharing economy. The old ways will take a long while to disappear, but it’s time to be utopian

The red flags and marching songs of Syriza during the Greek crisis, plus the expectation that the banks would be nationalised, revived briefly a 20th-century dream: the forced destruction of the market from above. For much of the 20th century this was how the left conceived the first stage of an economy beyond capitalism. The force would be applied by the working class, either at the ballot box or on the barricades. The lever would be the state. The opportunity would come through frequent episodes of economic collapse. Instead over the past 25 years it has been the left’s project that has collapsed. The market destroyed the plan; individualism replaced collectivism and solidarity; the hugely expanded workforce of the world looks like a “proletariat”, but no longer thinks or behaves as it once did.
If you lived through all this, and disliked capitalism, it was traumatic. But in the process technology has created a new route out, which the remnants of the old left – and all other forces influenced by it – have either to embrace or die. Capitalism, it turns out, will not be abolished by forced-march techniques. It will be abolished by creating something more dynamic that exists, at first, almost unseen within the old system, but which will break through, reshaping the economy around new values and behaviours. I call this postcapitalism.
As with the end of feudalism 500 years ago, capitalism’s replacement by postcapitalism will be accelerated by external shocks and shaped by the emergence of a new kind of human being. And it has started.
Postcapitalism is possible because of three major changes information technology has brought about in the past 25 years. First, it has reduced the need for work, blurred the edges between work and free time and loosened the relationship between work and wages. The coming wave of automation, currently stalled because our social infrastructure cannot bear the consequences, will hugely diminish the amount of work needed – not just to subsist but to provide a decent life for all.
Second, information is corroding the market’s ability to form prices correctly. That is because markets are based on scarcity while information is abundant. The system’s defence mechanism is to form monopolies – the giant tech companies – on a scale not seen in the past 200 years, yet they cannot last. By building business models and share valuations based on the capture and privatisation of all socially produced information, such firms are constructing a fragile corporate edifice at odds with the most basic need of humanity, which is to use ideas freely.Third, we’re seeing the spontaneous rise of collaborative production: goods, services and organisations are appearing that no longer respond to the dictates of the market and the managerial hierarchy. The biggest information product in the world – Wikipedia – is made by volunteers for free, abolishing the encyclopedia business and depriving the advertising industry of an estimated $3bn a year in revenue. Almost unnoticed, in the niches and hollows of the market system, whole swaths of economic life are beginning to move to a different rhythm. Parallel currencies, time banks, cooperatives and self-managed spaces have proliferated, barely noticed by the economics profession, and often as a direct result of the shattering of the old structures in the post-2008 crisis.
You only find this new economy if you look hard for it. In Greece, when a grassroots NGO mapped the country’s food co-ops, alternative producers, parallel currencies and local exchange systems they found more than 70 substantive projects and hundreds of smaller initiatives ranging from squats to carpools to free kindergartens. To mainstream economics such things seem barely to qualify as economic activity – but that’s the point. They exist because they trade, however haltingly and inefficiently, in the currency of postcapitalism: free time, networked activity and free stuff. It seems a meagre and unofficial and even dangerous thing from which to craft an entire alternative to a global system, but so did money and credit in the age of Edward III.
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Sharing the fruits of our labour. Illustration by Joe Magee New forms of ownership, new forms of lending, new legal contracts: a whole business subculture has emerged over the past 10 years, which the media has dubbed the “sharing economy”. Buzzwords such as the “commons” and “peer-production” are thrown around, but few have bothered to ask what this development means for capitalism itself.
I believe it offers an escape route – but only if these micro-level projects are nurtured, promoted and protected by a fundamental change in what governments do. And this must be driven by a change in our thinking – about technology, ownership and work. So that, when we create the elements of the new system, we can say to ourselves, and to others: “This is no longer simply my survival mechanism, my bolt hole from the neoliberal world; this is a new way of living in the process of formation.”
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The 2008 crash wiped 13% off global production and 20% off global trade. Global growth became negative – on a scale where anything below +3% is counted as a recession. It produced, in the west, a depression phase longer than in 1929-33, and even now, amid a pallid recovery, has left mainstream economists terrified about the prospect of long-term stagnation. The aftershocks in Europe are tearing the continent apart.
The solutions have been austerity plus monetary excess. But they are not working. In the worst-hit countries, the pension system has been destroyed, the retirement age is being hiked to 70, and education is being privatised so that graduates now face a lifetime of high debt. Services are being dismantled and infrastructure projects put on hold.
Even now many people fail to grasp the true meaning of the word “austerity”. Austerity is not eight years of spending cuts, as in the UK, or even the social catastrophe inflicted on Greece. It means driving the wages, social wages and living standards in the west down for decades until they meet those of the middle class in China and India on the way up.
Meanwhile in the absence of any alternative model, the conditions for another crisis are being assembled. Real wages have fallen or remained stagnant in Japan, the southern Eurozone, the US and UK. The shadow banking system has been reassembled, and is now bigger than it was in 2008. New rules demanding banks hold more reserves have been watered down or delayed. Meanwhile, flushed with free money, the 1% has got richer.
Neoliberalism, then, has morphed into a system programmed to inflict recurrent catastrophic failures. Worse than that, it has broken the 200-year pattern of industrial capitalism wherein an economic crisis spurs new forms of technological innovation that benefit everybody.
That is because neoliberalism was the first economic model in 200 years the upswing of which was premised on the suppression of wages and smashing the social power and resilience of the working class. If we review the take-off periods studied by long-cycle theorists – the 1850s in Europe, the 1900s and 1950s across the globe – it was the strength of organised labour that forced entrepreneurs and corporations to stop trying to revive outdated business models through wage cuts, and to innovate their way to a new form of capitalism.
The result is that, in each upswing, we find a synthesis of automation, higher wages and higher-value consumption. Today there is no pressure from the workforce, and the technology at the centre of this innovation wave does not demand the creation of higher-consumer spending, or the re‑employment of the old workforce in new jobs. Information is a machine for grinding the price of things lower and slashing the work time needed to support life on the planet.
As a result, large parts of the business class have become neo-luddites. Faced with the possibility of creating gene-sequencing labs, they instead start coffee shops, nail bars and contract cleaning firms: the banking system, the planning system and late neoliberal culture reward above all the creator of low-value, long-hours jobs.
Innovation is happening but it has not, so far, triggered the fifth long upswing for capitalism that long-cycle theory would expect. The reasons lie in the specific nature of information technology.
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We’re surrounded not just by intelligent machines but by a new layer of reality centred on information. Consider an airliner: a computer flies it; it has been designed, stress-tested and “virtually manufactured” millions of times; it is firing back real-time information to its manufacturers. On board are people squinting at screens connected, in some lucky countries, to the internet.
Seen from the ground it is the same white metal bird as in the James Bond era. But it is now both an intelligent machine and a node on a network. It has an information content and is adding “information value” as well as physical value to the world. On a packed business flight, when everyone’s peering at Excel or Powerpoint, the passenger cabin is best understood as an information factory.
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Is it utopian to believe we’re on the verge of an evolution beyond capitalism? Illustration by Joe Magee But what is all this information worth? You won’t find an answer in the accounts: intellectual property is valued in modern accounting standards by guesswork. A study for the SAS Institute in 2013 found that, in order to put a value on data, neither the cost of gathering it, nor the market value or the future income from it could be adequately calculated. Only through a form of accounting that included non-economic benefits, and risks, could companies actually explain to their shareholders what their data was really worth. Something is broken in the logic we use to value the most important thing in the modern world.
The great technological advance of the early 21st century consists not only of new objects and processes, but of old ones made intelligent. The knowledge content of products is becoming more valuable than the physical things that are used to produce them. But it is a value measured as usefulness, not exchange or asset value. In the 1990s economists and technologists began to have the same thought at once: that this new role for information was creating a new, “third” kind of capitalism – as different from industrial capitalism as industrial capitalism was to the merchant and slave capitalism of the 17th and 18th centuries. But they have struggled to describe the dynamics of the new “cognitive” capitalism. And for a reason. Its dynamics are profoundly non-capitalist.
During and right after the second world war, economists viewed information simply as a “public good”. The US government even decreed that no profit should be made out of patents, only from the production process itself. Then we began to understand intellectual property. In 1962, Kenneth Arrow, the guru of mainstream economics, said that in a free market economy the purpose of inventing things is to create intellectual property rights. He noted: “precisely to the extent that it is successful there is an underutilisation of information.”
You can observe the truth of this in every e-business model ever constructed: monopolise and protect data, capture the free social data generated by user interaction, push commercial forces into areas of data production that were non-commercial before, mine the existing data for predictive value – always and everywhere ensuring nobody but the corporation can utilise the results.
If we restate Arrow’s principle in reverse, its revolutionary implications are obvious: if a free market economy plus intellectual property leads to the “underutilisation of information”, then an economy based on the full utilisation of information cannot tolerate the free market or absolute intellectual property rights. The business models of all our modern digital giants are designed to prevent the abundance of information.
Yet information is abundant. Information goods are freely replicable. Once a thing is made, it can be copied/pasted infinitely. A music track or the giant database you use to build an airliner has a production cost; but its cost of reproduction falls towards zero. Therefore, if the normal price mechanism of capitalism prevails over time, its price will fall towards zero, too.
For the past 25 years economics has been wrestling with this problem: all mainstream economics proceeds from a condition of scarcity, yet the most dynamic force in our modern world is abundant and, as hippy genius Stewart Brand once put it, “wants to be free”.
There is, alongside the world of monopolised information and surveillance created by corporations and governments, a different dynamic growing up around information: information as a social good, free at the point of use, incapable of being owned or exploited or priced. I’ve surveyed the attempts by economists and business gurus to build a framework to understand the dynamics of an economy based on abundant, socially-held information. But it was actually imagined by one 19th-century economist in the era of the telegraph and the steam engine. His name? Karl Marx.
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The scene is Kentish Town, London, February 1858, sometime around 4am. Marx is a wanted man in Germany and is hard at work scribbling thought-experiments and notes-to-self. When they finally get to see what Marx is writing on this night, the left intellectuals of the 1960s will admit that it “challenges every serious interpretation of Marx yet conceived”. It is called “The Fragment on Machines”.
In the “Fragment” Marx imagines an economy in which the main role of machines is to produce, and the main role of people is to supervise them. He was clear that, in such an economy, the main productive force would be information. The productive power of such machines as the automated cotton-spinning machine, the telegraph and the steam locomotive did not depend on the amount of labour it took to produce them but on the state of social knowledge. Organisation and knowledge, in other words, made a bigger contribution to productive power than the work of making and running the machines.
Given what Marxism was to become – a theory of exploitation based on the theft of labour time – this is a revolutionary statement. It suggests that, once knowledge becomes a productive force in its own right, outweighing the actual labour spent creating a machine, the big question becomes not one of “wages versus profits” but who controls what Marx called the “power of knowledge”.
In an economy where machines do most of the work, the nature of the knowledge locked inside the machines must, he writes, be “social”. In a final late-night thought experiment Marx imagined the end point of this trajectory: the creation of an “ideal machine”, which lasts forever and costs nothing. A machine that could be built for nothing would, he said, add no value at all to the production process and rapidly, over several accounting periods, reduce the price, profit and labour costs of everything else it touched.
Once you understand that information is physical, and that software is a machine, and that storage, bandwidth and processing power are collapsing in price at exponential rates, the value of Marx’s thinking becomes clear. We are surrounded by machines that cost nothing and could, if we wanted them to, last forever.
In these musings, not published until the mid-20th century, Marx imagined information coming to be stored and shared in something called a “general intellect” – which was the mind of everybody on Earth connected by social knowledge, in which every upgrade benefits everybody. In short, he had imagined something close to the information economy in which we live. And, he wrote, its existence would “blow capitalism sky high”.
<blockquote> Marx imagined something close to our information economy. He wrote its existence would blow capitalism sky high
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With the terrain changed, the old path beyond capitalism imagined by the left of the 20th century is lost.
But a different path has opened up. Collaborative production, using network technology to produce goods and services that only work when they are free, or shared, defines the route beyond the market system. It will need the state to create the framework – just as it created the framework for factory labour, sound currencies and free trade in the early 19th century. The postcapitalist sector is likely to coexist with the market sector for decades, but major change is happening.
Networks restore “granularity” to the postcapitalist project. That is, they can be the basis of a non-market system that replicates itself, which does not need to be created afresh every morning on the computer screen of a commissar.
The transition will involve the state, the market and collaborative production beyond the market. But to make it happen, the entire project of the left, from protest groups to the mainstream social democratic and liberal parties, will have to be reconfigured. In fact, once people understand the logic of the postcapitalist transition, such ideas will no longer be the property of the left – but of a much wider movement, for which we will need new labels.
Who can make this happen? In the old left project it was the industrial working class. More than 200 years ago, the radical journalist John Thelwall warned the men who built the English factories that they had created a new and dangerous form of democracy: “Every large workshop and manufactory is a sort of political society, which no act of parliament can silence, and no magistrate disperse.”Today the whole of society is a factory. We all participate in the creation and recreation of the brands, norms and institutions that surround us. At the same time the communication grids vital for everyday work and profit are buzzing with shared knowledge and discontent. Today it is the network – like the workshop 200 years ago – that they “cannot silence or disperse”.
True, states can shut down Facebook, Twitter, even the entire internet and mobile network in times of crisis, paralysing the economy in the process. And they can store and monitor every kilobyte of information we produce. But they cannot reimpose the hierarchical, propaganda-driven and ignorant society of 50 years ago, except – as in China, North Korea or Iran – by opting out of key parts of modern life. It would be, as sociologist Manuel Castells put it, like trying to de-electrify a country.
By creating millions of networked people, financially exploited but with the whole of human intelligence one thumb-swipe away, info-capitalism has created a new agent of change in history: the educated and connected human being.
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This will be more than just an economic transition. There are, of course, the parallel and urgent tasks of decarbonising the world and dealing with demographic and fiscal timebombs. But I’m concentrating on the economic transition triggered by information because, up to now, it has been sidelined. Peer-to-peer has become pigeonholed as a niche obsession for visionaries, while the “big boys” of leftwing economics get on with critiquing austerity.
In fact, on the ground in places such as Greece, resistance to austerity and the creation of “networks you can’t default on” – as one activist put it to me – go hand in hand. Above all, postcapitalism as a concept is about new forms of human behaviour that conventional economics would hardly recognise as relevant. So how do we visualise the transition ahead? The only coherent parallel we have is the replacement of feudalism by capitalism – and thanks to the work of epidemiologists, geneticists and data analysts, we know a lot more about that transition than we did 50 years ago when it was “owned” by social science. The first thing we have to recognise is: different modes of production are structured around different things. Feudalism was an economic system structured by customs and laws about “obligation”. Capitalism was structured by something purely economic: the market. We can predict, from this, that postcapitalism – whose precondition is abundance – will not simply be a modified form of a complex market society. But we can only begin to grasp at a positive vision of what it will be like.
I don’t mean this as a way to avoid the question: the general economic parameters of a postcapitalist society by, for example, the year 2075, can be outlined. But if such a society is structured around human liberation, not economics, unpredictable things will begin to shape it.
For example, the most obvious thing to Shakespeare, writing in 1600, was that the market had called forth new kinds of behaviour and morality. By analogy, the most obvious “economic” thing to the Shakespeare of 2075 will be the total upheaval in gender relationships, or sexuality, or health. Perhaps there will not even be any playwrights: perhaps the very nature of the media we use to tell stories will change – just as it changed in Elizabethan London when the first public theatres were built.
Think of the difference between, say, Horatio in Hamlet and a character such as Daniel Doyce in Dickens’s Little Dorrit. Both carry around with them a characteristic obsession of their age – Horatio is obsessed with humanist philosophy; Doyce is obsessed with patenting his invention. There can be no character like Doyce in Shakespeare; he would, at best, get a bit part as a working-class comic figure. Yet, by the time Dickens described Doyce, most of his readers knew somebody like him. Just as Shakespeare could not have imagined Doyce, so we too cannot imagine the kind of human beings society will produce once economics is no longer central to life. But we can see their prefigurative forms in the lives of young people all over the world breaking down 20th-century barriers around sexuality, work, creativity and the self.
The feudal model of agriculture collided, first, with environmental limits and then with a massive external shock – the Black Death. After that, there was a demographic shock: too few workers for the land, which raised their wages and made the old feudal obligation system impossible to enforce. The labour shortage also forced technological innovation. The new technologies that underpinned the rise of merchant capitalism were the ones that stimulated commerce (printing and accountancy), the creation of tradeable wealth (mining, the compass and fast ships) and productivity (mathematics and the scientific method).
Present throughout the whole process was something that looks incidental to the old system – money and credit – but which was actually destined to become the basis of the new system. In feudalism, many laws and customs were actually shaped around ignoring money; credit was, in high feudalism, seen as sinful. So when money and credit burst through the boundaries to create a market system, it felt like a revolution. Then, what gave the new system its energy was the discovery of a virtually unlimited source of free wealth in the Americas.
A combination of all these factors took a set of people who had been marginalised under feudalism – humanists, scientists, craftsmen, lawyers, radical preachers and bohemian playwrights such as Shakespeare – and put them at the head of a social transformation. At key moments, though tentatively at first, the state switched from hindering the change to promoting it.
Today, the thing that is corroding capitalism, barely rationalised by mainstream economics, is information. Most laws concerning information define the right of corporations to hoard it and the right of states to access it, irrespective of the human rights of citizens. The equivalent of the printing press and the scientific method is information technology and its spillover into all other technologies, from genetics to healthcare to agriculture to the movies, where it is quickly reducing costs.
The modern equivalent of the long stagnation of late feudalism is the stalled take-off of the third industrial revolution, where instead of rapidly automating work out of existence, we are reduced to creating what David Graeber calls “bullshit jobs” on low pay. And many economies are stagnating.
The equivalent of the new source of free wealth? It’s not exactly wealth: it’s the “externalities” – the free stuff and wellbeing generated by networked interaction. It is the rise of non-market production, of unownable information, of peer networks and unmanaged enterprises. The internet, French economist Yann Moulier-Boutang says, is “both the ship and the ocean” when it comes to the modern equivalent of the discovery of the new world. In fact, it is the ship, the compass, the ocean and the gold.
The modern day external shocks are clear: energy depletion, climate change, ageing populations and migration. They are altering the dynamics of capitalism and making it unworkable in the long term. They have not yet had the same impact as the Black Death – but as we saw in New Orleans in 2005, it does not take the bubonic plague to destroy social order and functional infrastructure in a financially complex and impoverished society.
Once you understand the transition in this way, the need is not for a supercomputed Five Year Plan – but a project, the aim of which should be to expand those technologies, business models and behaviours that dissolve market forces, socialise knowledge, eradicate the need for work and push the economy towards abundance. I call it Project Zero – because its aims are a zero-carbon-energy system; the production of machines, products and services with zero marginal costs; and the reduction of necessary work time as close as possible to zero.
Most 20th-century leftists believed that they did not have the luxury of a managed transition: it was an article of faith for them that nothing of the coming system could exist within the old one – though the working class always attempted to create an alternative life within and “despite” capitalism. As a result, once the possibility of a Soviet-style transition disappeared, the modern left became preoccupied simply with opposing things: the privatisation of healthcare, anti-union laws, fracking – the list goes on.
If I am right, the logical focus for supporters of postcapitalism is to build alternatives within the system; to use governmental power in a radical and disruptive way; and to direct all actions towards the transition – not the defence of random elements of the old system. We have to learn what’s urgent, and what’s important, and that sometimes they do not coincide.
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The power of imagination will become critical. In an information society, no thought, debate or dream is wasted – whether conceived in a tent camp, prison cell or the table football space of a startup company.
As with virtual manufacturing, in the transition to postcapitalism the work done at the design stage can reduce mistakes in the implementation stage. And the design of the postcapitalist world, as with software, can be modular. Different people can work on it in different places, at different speeds, with relative autonomy from each other. If I could summon one thing into existence for free it would be a global institution that modelled capitalism correctly: an open source model of the whole economy; official, grey and black. Every experiment run through it would enrich it; it would be open source and with as many datapoints as the most complex climate models.
The main contradiction today is between the possibility of free, abundant goods and information; and a system of monopolies, banks and governments trying to keep things private, scarce and commercial. Everything comes down to the struggle between the network and the hierarchy: between old forms of society moulded around capitalism and new forms of society that prefigure what comes next.
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Is it utopian to believe we’re on the verge of an evolution beyond capitalism? We live in a world in which gay men and women can marry, and in which contraception has, within the space of 50 years, made the average working-class woman freer than the craziest libertine of the Bloomsbury era. Why do we, then, find it so hard to imagine economic freedom?
It is the elites – cut off in their dark-limo world – whose project looks as forlorn as that of the millennial sects of the 19th century. The democracy of riot squads, corrupt politicians, magnate-controlled newspapers and the surveillance state looks as phoney and fragile as East Germany did 30 years ago.
All readings of human history have to allow for the possibility of a negative outcome. It haunts us in the zombie movie, the disaster movie, in the post-apocalytic wasteland of films such as The Road or Elysium. But why should we not form a picture of the ideal life, built out of abundant information, non-hierarchical work and the dissociation of work from wages?
Millions of people are beginning to realise they have been sold a dream at odds with what reality can deliver. Their response is anger – and retreat towards national forms of capitalism that can only tear the world apart. Watching these emerge, from the pro-Grexit left factions in Syriza to the Front National and the isolationism of the American right has been like watching the nightmares we had during the Lehman Brothers crisis come true.
We need more than just a bunch of utopian dreams and small-scale horizontal projects. We need a project based on reason, evidence and testable designs, that cuts with the grain of history and is sustainable by the planet. And we need to get on with it./
 
I have thought, in a fantastical way. If the lizzies and the grays want to take power on the planet, are we forced to fight for it? why not to build some spaceship or something and live in it? Travel through the space like Han Solo xD
 
I just recently watched a couple of the "Markus" video`s on u tube that I thought were quite interesting.

It seems that back in old Rome some "politician" came up with a plan to create false identities for folks, since the legal system can only operate "lawfully" if a ( person ) that is a persona, actually stands in for a real man.

I can only imagine that there must have been some serious consequences for anyone who opposed this new legislation.. since it was the one thing that created the way to entrap everyone.

The "person" legally created in this way is not a man or a woman, ever, but is a new corporation, a false face.

Since the entire legal system is fraud, the persona must also be a fraud or the system fails.

The switcheroo occurs when your birth certificate gets filed and a number is permanently attached to it, they file the name it contains as your personal persona, this is used to create your false face, the person/legal corporation which becomes your identity and that which must appear as the stand in for the man or woman, for all "legal" procedures.

And since we are now viewed as a personal corporation, a persona that doesn`t really exist, none of us "person`s" can ever own property.. we can hold it as tenants for the real owner, the real owner being the face on our money, also being the owner that owns us. The whole thing is so entirely corrupt that it has to be destroyed.

It truly is an evil matrix we are stuck in here, and the majority of humanity has no idea how screwed we are and for how long it has been going on. here`s the video if anyone wants to have a look.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxFlNKNuzwE
 
Meager1 said:
I just recently watched a couple of the "Markus" video`s on u tube that I thought were quite interesting.

It seems that back in old Rome some "politician" came up with a plan to create false identities for folks, since the legal system can only operate "lawfully" if a ( person ) that is a persona, actually stands in for a real man.

I can only imagine that there must have been some serious consequences for anyone who opposed this new legislation.. since it was the one thing that created the way to entrap everyone.

The "person" legally created in this way is not a man or a woman, ever, but is a new corporation, a false face.

Since the entire legal system is fraud, the persona must also be a fraud or the system fails.

The switcheroo occurs when your birth certificate gets filed and a number is permanently attached to it, they file the name it contains as your personal persona, this is used to create your false face, the person/legal corporation which becomes your identity and that which must appear as the stand in for the man or woman, for all "legal" procedures.

And since we are now viewed as a personal corporation, a persona that doesn`t really exist, none of us "person`s" can ever own property.. we can hold it as tenants for the real owner, the real owner being the face on our money, also being the owner that owns us. The whole thing is so entirely corrupt that it has to be destroyed.

It truly is an evil matrix we are stuck in here, and the majority of humanity has no idea how screwed we are and for how long it has been going on. here`s the video if anyone wants to have a look.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxFlNKNuzwE

I could believe that. It's too bad the rule of law holds such little water these days for any precedent of liberation to be set.
 
I don't think that human creature can even imagine and come up on ideas how to create new world. We are all STS and even if we have initial though it will go wrong sometime, somewhere in some way.
Also, I don't that is problem in the system, problem is in us. It is not problem in psychopaths/vampires, it is problem in psychopaths/vampires in us. We can easily know what is wrong in others but can we really observe our self's?
In every day situation, with a people that we love and that we don't. Why be aggressive or rude anytime?
I agree with luc and the others that said that we have to remove ourselves from the bad people, not contact them at all (at least from the one that we know for sure that they are bad).
If we found the group of people with a same goal, that doesn't mean that that group will be for a long period environment of STO. Our mind is so tricky, always planting some scam, trying to found the way to accomplish his hidden agenda. But two things helps, at least on my part - really telling the truth and tenderness. Like we should acting toward our children (I don't have children so maybe I'm not competent to talk about the children, but I have my little friends ;) ).
If we have those two postulate - to speak the truth and be kind and tender in every moments (or least try to) creating of world that could be better than this one should be builded from one moments to another, without presumption how can it be. Because I don't think that we have a bloody idea how this thing really works.
 
Laura said:
I would like to start a discussion that focuses on Creating a New World.

I would just like for all participants to think about what is wrong with our world and what they would like to see happen to make it right.

When I read this post, I thought "Laura wants us to write a book!". I write this because the list of possible improvements is enormous. I will refrain from attempting to list all my dreams and just mention a few.

We will remember who or what we are. We will remember that we are souls that temporarily inhabit a physical body. Our values and our way of life will manifest this knowing/remembering by living in a manner that appreciates and takes advantage of this opportunity to learn and evolve while we are here.

We will remember that pregnancy and birth is not an illness. We will remember that it is a natural experience and we will provide mother's with the education and support they need to bring forth life in a natural way. Midwives understand this.

We will remember that violence and murder is never the answer to conflict and differences of opinion. We will develop a protocol for addressing our differences in a manner that is fundamentally harmonious and community based.

Growing up in the 50's I remember that we never locked our doors, we left the keys in the car, we knew all our neighbors and we knew we could count on each other for help as well as companionship.

I still think that dreams CAN come true. I still feel hopeful and optimistic.


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My reply is going to be short and I apologise for it being a question. What about instead of thinking of creating a new world, the emphasis shifts on just creating and giving (sharing) the 'creation' for no gain?
It does not cost money to smile when you say hello looking at the person and meaning the greeting. You create a moment of relaxed interaction and communication, plus you give attention (hence energy).
Creating in my mind is not limited to works of art or building, I would rather put that in the transform and modify category for the use of the 'created' object purpose.

'Creating' rules for a new Mega System would mean establishing new arbitrary limits on top of our inherent natural limitations. New rules, new stress until rules are understood and internalized. People do not need new rules, people need to become themselves and recognized as themselves.

kind regards
 
Hello,

I just finish reading the whole post, I found it very good, and I left wanting more.

Something that interests me is the role of technology in a STO world and how it should evolve with the science. I didn't find much about it in the forum, but sure I would find more in the Wave (I'm just in Chapter 11) and Secret History.

I must say that when I found the Venus Project a few years ago I think it was a very good alternative, at that time I had a lot of "entropic imagination", luckily I never got carried away, because although I had some ideas, I thought it was not worth to follow them :D

For example while reading the discussions on what to do with psychopaths, I agree that is one of the most important issues, I had the idea to put the psychopaths in a lucid dream (as in Vanilla Sky or Abre los ojos). As at the end of the film, the character is asked if he want to keep dreaming or living the harsh reality. It could ask people at some moment: you want to live a peaceful real life full of love and service to others? Do not? Then you can put this on and live in a chaotic paradise where you can meet all your most perverse desires. Ok, I know that's crazy

Maybe in a more natural way, like this but in reverse? :D

Q: (L) Okay, the Maruts were referred to as - they were like all of a special bloodline - and they danced, and their dance produced benefits for the tribe. I mean, the heavens opened, and baskets came down with food and whatever they needed. I mean, it's like the original story of Manna from heaven. Only it wasn't just something tasteless, it was whatever they wanted or needed. Krunchy (healthy cereal)! (laughter)
 
As commendably grasped by Laura and the Co., the world needs a new movement that will embrace as many of the new developments of knowledge (and perhaps, Being) on a strong rational and experiential basis.

However, the intricacies of the activities of such a movement should be worked out.

The religious movements of the past have a lot to offer, IMO -- e.g., those of the Lutheran movement in Germany, and perhaps last but not the least---Buddhism.

Both of the movements managed to "win a popular vote," so to say, changing the political and cultural context forever. This is more difficult than it may seem. The needed elements appear to be a strong intellectual basis, ability to appeal to a multiple elements within the society, unity of the ideological basis, flexibility in practical delivery, etc., etc.

Moreover, the need is patience and perseverance. It took Buddhism several centuries to spread to nearby countries, and it was done by countless individuals, who all gave their best and put all their hearts and minds to the cause.

Apocalyptic thinking has probably been one of the most common determinants of human culture (being, basically, a projection of individual life-span expectation, IMO). Yet, for a global change one really has to step out of one's single lifetime, and invest in education, among other things. System thinking is essential.

Of course, the ability to do this implies a serious prolonged preparation. A qualified person would probably spent a couple of decades in individual Work, leaving it for the destiny to decide how and when his individual efforts would bring a fruit for others to enjoy (if such would be his/her intention).

I sincerely hope that this new movement started by Laura and the team is, essentially, a form of such preparation. The amount of work done, the tenacity of the movement speak volumes to me (no pun intended :)). I bow to Laura for the energy she has put into this, despite all odds.

Just my own 2 kopecks, as I didn't have time to read all the thread.
 

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