Cryogenic Chamber Therapy / Cold Adaptation

[beetlemaniac]

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The cold thermogenesis + leptin reset has really piqued my interest... I like the things Dr Kruse writes about, very cool new ideas that are already leading me into a different understanding of nutrition and biochemistry. It's amazing how in such a short order, members are already experimenting with the Cryogenic Therapy plus the general CT by Dr. Kruse. I think Dr. Kruse's points about the Ancient Pathway and such seem pretty valid although I still need to read up (as others have said, it is a bit hard to follow his writing style).

Anyway, I'm also trying to incorporate the COLD into my life. The barrier here is the profoundly warm/HOT weather in Malaysia, which, located on the equator has a tropical climate. Reading through the posts at his blog, there are many things that can be implemented in one's life even if the climate isn't temperate. Still, the cold showers here are not very cold, I remember how cold the winter of 2010 in NJ was, the cold water here is warm compared to that. One effect of the cold showers that I enjoy is the tightening of musculature that occurs. I feel less flabby and my skin is more taut. In the midday heat this usually reverses... I also get a foggy, stuffy feeling in the head and lose that sense of "cold" clarity.

Last night, I tried sleeping with the air conditioner at the lowest setting (I don't normally use AC), and I woke up around 2 am (I usually do wake up once in the night) and had lots of phlegm accumulated in my sinuses waiting to be expelled. The airconditioner only goes down to 16 C.

Generally I enjoy cold weather very much compared to the sweltering heat common in the afternoon here. I'm sure most of my people who live here agree as well. But cold adaptation seems to involve temperatures that are extreme and not just a comfortable cool. Additionally, I'm not sure if switching between hot and cold prevents from any sort of cold adaptation. I'll keep experimenting, but it would be great if I had a bathtub around here. Ice baths would be perfect...

 

[SeekinTruth]

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Even though it's still not quite certain if that's the virus I'm dealing with, but since the medication I get does help in a little way (indicating that it is a herpes virus), and since the description of herpes simplex keratitis fits what I'm going through (decreased vision among others), I'd say the chance is high that I'm dealing with keratitis.

The amino acid l-lysine is very effective against herpes. It inhibits replication of the virus, while the amino acid arginine does the opposite. Taking l-lysine as a daily supplement is effective, as one wants to shift the body's ration of these amino acids in favour of l-lysine. A basic introduction to l-lysine and its use against herpes can be found here. The dose, if memory serves, is in the region of 3 – 5 grams daily, in divided doses.

the hardest thing when you do cold showers is the overcoming.
my strategy is to not think about the situation beforehand to much and just do it.
remember how good you will feel afterwards.

Yeah . . . overcoming (or ignoring) the anticipation of the coldness of it! I start with cool water and spray first my feet and work my way up my legs and arms before spraying my torso. Once I've done that I can get completely under the water and turn the temperature down as low as I can tolerate. Every day I find I can stay under the cold shower for longer. Also my breathing is stabilising, changing from a strong gasp reflex to smoother and more easily controlled breathing.

I have read about how effective lysine is for herpes in a couple of books several years ago. And also how arginine is the opposite -- very bad for herpes. I've never had herpes, so I don't have any personal experiences. However the books seemed to have some very useful and reliable information about amino acid therapies and general info. So I think it's definitely worth looking into for anyone struggling with herpes problems. By the way, I've read and think that all viral infections (to varying degrees) stay in the system in a latent/dormant/inactive state and can be triggered to become active again without any new reinfection. Perhaps other microbial infections are also the same. The numbers go down (no proliferation) and become inactive but may be triggered again a some later time if the circumstances are conducive. FWIW.


I'm going to try the colder showers soon, maybe today, and then gradually try going totally cold. Like I mentioned before, the water here is VERY cold being in the mountains. I'm also going to get ice and do the face in ice water and the rest of Kruse's home Cold Thermogenisis protocol.

 

[Muxel]

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Hi beetle, I'm a Malaysia native, so I know exactly what you're going through. Before leaving for the U.S. I resolved to cold-adapt myself because I thought Winter, that foreign entity, was going to kill me. (My first winter was anticlimactic to say the least.)

Problem is, the Industrial Revolution doesn't translate well into the hot tropics. Machines of civilization that radiate heat may be welcomed in cold countries, but at the equator, where it's already hot as Hell...why, God, why? Also, Malaysia in her virgin state is *supposed* to be covered with rainforests. Rainforests mean a nice canopy which keeps everyone cool; one could even say cold! And sometimes, in the wake of a monsoon rain, when the air is heavy with moisture and the breeze on your skin is not warm like usual but cold...well, that's a glimpse of what the tropics were meant to be, I guess.

Then there's temperature being relative. What is temperature, but a scale? If one steps from higher temp into lower temp, the lower temp is said to be "cold"—but there's no way to define "cold". Metal feels "colder" than wood, when in fact both are at the same temp. Taking indoor cold showers, in Malaysia, made me shiver vigorously, ragdoll physics style, and who's to say it wasn't the same kind of "cold" as Seekintruth jumping into Armenian mountain springs?

Now if Nora and Jack saw this,

Q: So, Atlantis existed during the ice age?
A: Largely, yes. And the world’s climate was scarcely any colder away from the ice sheets than it is today.

What would they say? The Atlanteans took environmental modification (e.g. thawing out Antarctica) way further than the stuff from Home Depot could ever dream of. The Paleo community's caveman-with-spear-in-the-snow romanticism implies "being at the mercy of the environment" a bit too strongly, I think.

I wonder if the Paradoxical Undressing of hypothermia victims is also a manifestation of CT? But unlike the Celt warriors, they die soon after.

 

[anart]

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Back to the topic at hand (cryogenic chamber therapy), I just want to add that I noticed today that the persistent low-grade inflammation in my lower back (that improved tremendously on the diet, but never really went away) is completely gone this morning. It's amazing to be not feel any tightness or pain back there. It will be interesting to see how long that lasts.

 

[SeekinTruth]

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Back to the topic at hand (cryogenic chamber therapy), I just want to add that I noticed today that the persistent low-grade inflammation in my lower back (that improved tremendously on the diet, but never really went away) is completely gone this morning. It's amazing to be not feel any tightness or pain back there. It will be interesting to see how long that lasts.

Great to hear, anart! :) Another very interesting experiment and I'm looking forward to everyone's experiences/results.

 

[Laura]

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Found another article about it: http://lifeofmillennium.com/pdf/Cryogenic_Physiotherapy_English.pdf

 

[LQB]

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Back to the topic at hand (cryogenic chamber therapy), I just want to add that I noticed today that the persistent low-grade inflammation in my lower back (that improved tremendously on the diet, but never really went away) is completely gone this morning. It's amazing to be not feel any tightness or pain back there. It will be interesting to see how long that lasts.

I could really use that improvement too! Thanks for the report anart! :)

 

[beetlemaniac]

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Hi beetle, I'm a Malaysia native, so I know exactly what you're going through. Before leaving for the U.S. I resolved to cold-adapt myself because I thought Winter, that foreign entity, was going to kill me. (My first winter was anticlimactic to say the least.)

It's funny because I can distinctly remember the difference in the temperature of cold showers there as opposed to Malaysia. It was just another level of cold!

Then there's temperature being relative. What is temperature, but a scale? If one steps from higher temp into lower temp, the lower temp is said to be "cold"—but there's no way to define "cold". Metal feels "colder" than wood, when in fact both are at the same temp.

We do have measuring units for temperature, and Kruse suggests something between 50 and 55 F for cold adaptation in water, I think. Maybe you're talking about heat conduction as opposed to temperature, when comparing the wood and metal? From what you say I gather that you assume absolute values for temperature are unimportant? I doubt that can be true when Cryochambers go down to -130 C and seem to provide beneficial effects from the studies and members experiences. Maybe I'm not getting your point, if so, sorry.

 

[SeekinTruth]

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Yeah, metal is supposed to be 100 times more temperature conductive than air, and water is supposed to be 24 times more than air.

 

[RedFox]

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Just wanted to share a few observations regarding the cold showers (being skinny). Like others have said they are extremely energising. However after a few days I noticed that they where making me fatigued and I couldn't get warm (despite them not being fully cold), so I stopped them and focused on possible leptin resistance/working out what the problem may be.
So I followed the LR protocol. Don't know if the pork mince I started eating at breakfast caused the reaction or if it was a result of asking my body for more energy whilst not having the resources, but over the next few days I developed the most intently painful leg cramps (spreading to the rest of my body too).
Magnesium, potassium, sodium, calcium....nothing helped. B6 turned out to help the most (cramping disappeared within 5 minutes), so it may be that I'm simply eating too much protein perhaps?

I reintroduced the cold showers again more gradually, and again a few days later my level of cramping has increased....so my body trying to be in a more energetic state is drawing on something that is depleted it seems.

On a more positive note I've had some interesting moments of clarity, but specifically a minor emotional release regarding early life trauma it seems - and it felt like the same mind set and almost like the same physiological responce as stepping into a cold shower, shock and gasping but also the will to endure it (witout self pity).

 

[seek10]

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Hey seek10, would you be able to post the place you found? I haven't been able to find any in the northeast.

_http://www.onlinemedicaltourism.com/Advanced-Skin-Wisdom-@-Comprehensive-Dermatology-and-Laser-Center,-LLC.html I need to verify though on monday.

I could be mistaken, but I think what they mean by 'cryotherapy' on that page is when you freeze a small portion of skin to remove a growth or mole or something. I've seen that terminology on a lot of skin care sites and it's not the same thing as cryogenic chamber therapy. It won't hurt to find out for certain though - it would be great if we can find a location on the east coast.

I have the same doubt and I called them couldn't get the right person get clarification. I guess you are correct . Any way I will call them on monday and enquire more.

I remember reading a post somebody called this location and found this is not for whole body cryotherapy. Now I couldn't find that post though . Any way it looks there is nothing in NJ or infact in NE. It looks One choice is ( Other than doing things at home ) to fly ( or driving ) to some other location for a weekend+2 or 3 days and get as much one can get it during the stay. Not sure how far that is useful yet.
I called the location in Northern california UScryotherapy.com location, they can allow 3 session for per day ( not sure whether 3 per day is too much too soon yet) . their websites talks of expanding to other locations in US. I asked the same also about 'when and where'. She doesn't have answer except saying it all depends on the investors. therapy is already promising for pain and other medical issues and If relief comes for $25/session, the PTB will NEVER allow it to spread. so I keep my fingers crossed. Already some articles showing it as crazy option for normal people ( probable damage control)

Interesting thing is I see website like cryotherapy of New york and cryotherapy of Illinois like that by prostate cancer treating doctors. not sure whether they will allow non patients at the regular price or not. I sent a mail to one doctor in NY and let us see whether he will reply or not.

What comes to mind is after some cold bath practice, nothing else comes out to NE , may be 2 or 3 interested group members can go to CA or CO for 4 or 5 days to get some sessions to kick start /sustain it ( if it is worth it). Of course IF it is safe w.r.t to group as usual.

 

[mcb]

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...What comes to mind is after some cold bath practice, nothing else comes out to NE , may be 2 or 3 interested group members can go to CA or CO for 4 or 5 days to get some sessions to kick start /sustain it ( if it is worth it). Of course IF it is safe w.r.t to group as usual.

If I were in better condition (or were more desperate) I would try out USCryotherapy, since it is located 15 miles from my house! It's just a short trip up I80. As it is, though, I have quite a bit of research to do first, and the first phase of my research is to watch what happens when other people try it. :)

 

[Renaissance]

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I remember reading a post somebody called this location and found this is not for whole body cryotherapy. Now I couldn't find that post though .

Yeah, Nienna Eluch posted that she had called and it wasn't the cyrotherapy that we are looking for. Looks like that was one of the posts that was lost when the forum was down.

Any way it looks there is nothing in NJ or infact in NE.

I've also been continuing to look and haven't been able to find anything. I find it hard to believe that there isn't one place that offers this in NYC, the North East or even along the east coast! Most of the places I've called said they had heard a little about it but that they don't know of any place that offers it. One person said they knew of a place that had leased a chamber for a time, but that they didn't get enough business to keep it.

Interesting thing is I see website like cryotherapy of New york and cryotherapy of Illinois like that by prostate cancer treating doctors. not sure whether they will allow non patients at the regular price or not. I sent a mail to one doctor in NY and let us see whether he will reply or not.

I saw one site offering cryotherapy for prostate cancer in NY too, but I think it was a localized treatment for surgery.

What comes to mind is after some cold bath practice, nothing else comes out to NE , may be 2 or 3 interested group members can go to CA or CO for 4 or 5 days to get some sessions to kick start /sustain it ( if it is worth it). Of course IF it is safe w.r.t to group as usual.

I think there's also a facility in Toronto, which seems to be the closest for people in the North East.

I'm continuing with the cold showers and with ice baths for the time being. It may take a little longer to get the same results, and the process may be a little more uncomfortable, but it's also cheap and doable at home.

 

[shijing]

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My last post about starting cold showers was lost in the server crash, so this is kind of a recap. I've been doing them for a week now, with good results. My experience has been the same as several others who have posted -- the first couple of times were pretty shocking, but I'm slowly starting to get used to them. I've found that certain parts of my body are more sensitive than others -- the most difficult for me are my head/face and upper back; Mr. Scott's advice about breathing was really beneficial when I first started. It's interesting how you find yourself a lot more aware and 'in the moment' with a cold shower as opposed to a hot one. Right now, I'm at the point where I still dread getting into the shower, but feel great once I get out and it really is pretty energizing. I'm looking forward to eventually enjoying it from beginning to end.

 

[Gawan]

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My last post about starting cold showers was lost in the server crash, so this is kind of a recap. I've been doing them for a week now, with good results. My experience has been the same as several others who have posted -- the first couple of times were pretty shocking, but I'm slowly starting to get used to them. I've found that certain parts of my body are more sensitive than others -- the most difficult for me are my head/face and upper back; Mr. Scott's advice about breathing was really beneficial when I first started. It's interesting how you find yourself a lot more aware and 'in the moment' with a cold shower as opposed to a hot one. Right now, I'm at the point where I still dread getting into the shower, but feel great once I get out and it really is pretty energizing. I'm looking forward to eventually enjoying it from beginning to end.

:)

Things are getting better, and I'm getting faster heated up again and the resistance is getting smaller. And as Shijing stated Mr. Scotts experiences, breathing is really important, also when there are moments that it is really difficult doing so (especially when showering the head), like breathing really cold air, it fells just strange, but interesting too. What is also helpful showering also only parts of the body and not standing from beginning to end in the stream of cold water and then too not to turn up the water that much, so that less water is coming.