DMSA for heavy metal detox - how long available?

[Gaby]

I only have like 4 pills of DMSA left. I'm wondering if I should take them at the end of this second cycle or wait until I can get some more?

Either or it's okay since you can stop the cycles any time you like.

Happy detoxing :)

 

[D Rusak]

Okay, so I think I will have enough money in my budget soon to try a DMSA protocol (FINALLY!) I have a coupon for ebay and want to purchase there. I saw the ones listed previously in this thread called "DMSA Synergy", which has 45 caps for $40, but currently there are three other options I am considering. One is by a company called Suisse Pharma, you get 45 125mg capsules (the others have only 100mg/serving or cap) for $25 plus shipping. There is not information about what other ingredients like mag stearate, etc are in the capsule. Then there is one called Nutri-DMSA that is $30 for 60 100mg caps, the product has rice flour, mag stearate, and gelatin also. The last option, NuMedica ChelaClear has only 30 servings, each serving has 100mg DMSA but also 300mg Calcium EDTA, 300mg Cilantro, 300mg Chlorella, 6,000mcg Alliacin, 200mg NAC, and 200mg ALA. The one the team has been using also has vitamin C I believe. I feel like I'm leaning towards one of the last two. I'll probably only be able to afford one bottle for now, and put the rest of my money towards some of the other supplements required for this.

Does anyone have any experience with or advice on these other products?

_http://cgi.ebay.com/Meso-2-3-dimercaptosuccinic-acid-DMSA-/290484991945?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item895f203cdc
_http://cgi.ebay.com/DMSA-Oral-Heavy-Metal-Chelation-100-mg-60-Capsules-/270612824008?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f01c7ffc8
_http://cgi.ebay.com/DMSA-EDTA-Chelation-Adjunct-Alternative-Detoxamin-/160519702805?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item255fb84915

 

[ocean59]

Okay, so I think I will have enough money in my budget soon to try a DMSA protocol (FINALLY!) I have a coupon for ebay and want to purchase there. I saw the ones listed previously in this thread called "DMSA Synergy", which has 45 caps for $40, but currently there are three other options I am considering. One is by a company called Suisse Pharma, you get 45 125mg capsules (the others have only 100mg/serving or cap) for $25 plus shipping. There is not information about what other ingredients like mag stearate, etc are in the capsule. Then there is one called Nutri-DMSA that is $30 for 60 100mg caps, the product has rice flour, mag stearate, and gelatin also. The last option, NuMedica ChelaClear has only 30 servings, each serving has 100mg DMSA but also 300mg Calcium EDTA, 300mg Cilantro, 300mg Chlorella, 6,000mcg Alliacin, 200mg NAC, and 200mg ALA. The one the team has been using also has vitamin C I believe. I feel like I'm leaning towards one of the last two. I'll probably only be able to afford one bottle for now, and put the rest of my money towards some of the other supplements required for this.

Does anyone have any experience with or advice on these other products?

_http://cgi.ebay.com/Meso-2-3-dimercaptosuccinic-acid-DMSA-/290484991945?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item895f203cdc
_http://cgi.ebay.com/DMSA-Oral-Heavy-Metal-Chelation-100-mg-60-Capsules-/270612824008?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f01c7ffc8
_http://cgi.ebay.com/DMSA-EDTA-Chelation-Adjunct-Alternative-Detoxamin-/160519702805?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item255fb84915

The 1st link to the "suissepharma" seller on Ebay looks a little phishy to me, as there is a 0 feedback rating. However, it also claims 16 previous sales, dating back to early November.

The 2nd link appears to come from a far more reputable seller.

The 3rd link, to the combo supplement (auction now expired, no relisting), has been discussed earlier in this thread through a different seller, check here.

Also, I found a coupon code through Nextag for that link:

"Save $5 On Your First Order Use Code FTC5DO"
_http://www.healthdesigns.com/numedica-chelaclear-120-capsules.html?gdftrk=gdfV2379_a_7c1143_a_7c4600_a_7cNUM_d_NM24

Currently appears to be $29.90 for 120 capsules (serving size 4 capsules) before the discount.

I'm at a bit of a loss as to which one to buy as well. The "suissepharma" seller looks nice, high quality, and cheap. I want to believe it's real, but I don't know how to possibly verify authenticity in advance.

The ChelaClear looks great, but my understanding is all of those other supplements are needed for daily usage apart from the DMSA. I think I would rather find a different supplement containing just those extra things.

Also, I have found (not sure if this came from Google or the forum at this point) _http://pureformulas.com/dmsa-100mg-90-capsules-by-priority-one.html

It is 90 100mg capsules of DMSA, appears to be magnesium sterate free, and provides 65 mg succinic acid per capsule. Currently listed "on sale" for $45.71 with free shipping within the US. I think I'm going to order that one as I begin to acquire the things I'll be needing for my upcoming detox.

 

[ocean59]

That last website really has some great deals! Since it's on topic:

_http://www.pureformulas.com/nacetyl-cysteine-500-mg-90-vegetarian-capsules-by-davinci-labs.html
(90) 500mg mag-stear free capsules NAC $9.41


_http://www.pureformulas.com/alpha-lipoic-acidprescribed-choice-400mg-30-capsules-by-ol-medical-division.html
(30) 400mg mag-stear free capsules ALA $4.95 (I will probably split them in half and cap twice as many myself)


_http://www.pureformulas.com/taurine-90-vegetarian-capsules-by-thorne-research.html
(90) 500 mg Taurine (also no fillers) $6.88

Basically, I'm typing each supplement in the search box, sorting by lowest price first, and amazingly the cheapest ones on the list also appear to be the cleanest. Hope this is helpful for those looking to do the DMSA regimen.

 

[aragorn]

That last website really has some great deals! Since it's on topic:

_http://www.pureformulas.com/nacetyl-cysteine-500-mg-90-vegetarian-capsules-by-davinci-labs.html
(90) 500mg mag-stear free capsules NAC $9.41


_http://www.pureformulas.com/alpha-lipoic-acidprescribed-choice-400mg-30-capsules-by-ol-medical-division.html
(30) 400mg mag-stear free capsules ALA $4.95 (I will probably split them in half and cap twice as many myself)


_http://www.pureformulas.com/taurine-90-vegetarian-capsules-by-thorne-research.html
(90) 500 mg Taurine (also no fillers) $6.88

Basically, I'm typing each supplement in the search box, sorting by lowest price first, and amazingly the cheapest ones on the list also appear to be the cleanest. Hope this is helpful for those looking to do the DMSA regimen.

You may know this already, but I and many other forum members have purchased the DMSA from: _http://dmsachelation.com/

It may not be the cheapest one, but the shipping is free and so far the reviews are good. I warmly recommend this product!

I think that the most important thing regarding heavy metal detoxing is to start immediately and get it done. :)

 

[rsnedaker]

I checked the link that you posted Gandalf, http://dmsachelation.com/, The price for 340 capsule of 100mg is $225.95. You need 45 capsules per cycles (one cycles is 2 weeks) or 15 per day for 3 days and 11 days without. They say that you may need up to 10 to 12 cycles to eliminates lead and mercury so up to 450 caps for a full treatment. I searched the forum in the last few day for additional way to detox heavy metal, this is the first time that I come upon DMSA. I haven't read Baker's "Detoxification and Healing" yet and won't start using DMSA before I do.

So just to be sure I am doing this right. I am supposed to take 15 capsules in one day for three days straight then 11 days off? I want to be sure I am doing this rigth. Thanks.

 

[Psalehesost]

I checked the link that you posted Gandalf, http://dmsachelation.com/, The price for 340 capsule of 100mg is $225.95. You need 45 capsules per cycles (one cycles is 2 weeks) or 15 per day for 3 days and 11 days without. They say that you may need up to 10 to 12 cycles to eliminates lead and mercury so up to 450 caps for a full treatment. I searched the forum in the last few day for additional way to detox heavy metal, this is the first time that I come upon DMSA. I haven't read Baker's "Detoxification and Healing" yet and won't start using DMSA before I do.

So just to be sure I am doing this right. I am supposed to take 15 capsules in one day for three days straight then 11 days off? I want to be sure I am doing this rigth. Thanks.

Another protocol has been posted in this thread which is the one recommended and which I'm beginning. Bringing the posted info together below:

I checked the link that you posted Gandalf, http://dmsachelation.com/, The price for 340 capsule of 100mg is $225.95. You need 45 capsules per cycles (one cycles is 2 weeks) or 15 per day for 3 days and 11 days without.

We have been using 18 per cycle, 2 100mg 3 X daily.

Baker's protocol is the same one for mercury detox in autistic children:

DMSA
Vitamin C
Alpha lipoic acid
Zinc
Selenium
Vitamin B6
Vitamin E
Melatonin
Taurine
Reduced glutathione (Even if it doesn't get absorbed, apparently it helps to heal the gut, but we use NAC)

It is a two-week rotation with three days on DMSA and eleven days off. All of the supplements are taken every day, but the DMSA is taken only on days one through three of each cycle (200mg x 3, just for the first 3 days of each 14 days cycle). It is at least six cycles. More info on Baker's book: Detoxification and Healing.

I was wondering, what are the most common side effects, what have you guys experienced? Or would you rather not tell...

Potential side effects include rashes, nausea, loose stools, bloating, fatigue, headaches, gastrointestinal side effects, flu like symptoms, pains. Others have reported feeling toxic, and having increased burning symptoms in feet and legs and so forth. Others have increased anxiousness, shyness, crankiness, and related. For these last symptoms, you can have an idea by checking the following article:

http://www.autism.com/triggers/vaccine/mercury.htm Scroll down until you find "Table I: Summary Comparison of Traits of Autism & Mercury Poisoning", see "psychiatric disturbances".

People who have mercury toxicity problems may have symptoms, is also an indication that mercury is been mobilized so as to get excreted. It should never be unbearable though.

It helps to read several sources on mercury chelation/DMSA to see what people are reporting and to know better what to expect.

I have had rashes, headaches, flu like symptoms, but specially... some of the "psychiatric disturbances" described in the table above. Specially anxiety. I admit feeling like a total basket case when taking DMSA.

The thing of oral heavy metal chelators is that they may upset the digestive system, and also your digestive system must be ideally free of yeast overgrowth before you try this route, as some of the supplements which chelate heavy metals can cause an exacerbation of candida overgrowth.

Added thought: For those of us who smoke, given the postings elsewhere about nicotine's anti-fungal (kills candida) effects, perhaps smoking a lot while doing the detox is a good idea?

Remember to take extra vitamin C if needed, that helps, also keep your bowels going, at least every 12 hours. If symptoms become unbearable, but out one dose, 200mg per two (instead of 3 times a day). Perhaps the next cycle a full dose will be tolerable.

Supplements in detail as listed in the thread:

DMSA Succimer, Chemet 200mg. Three times (just for the first 3 days of each 14 days cycle)

Vitamin C, Buffered ascorbic acid powder 2-3 grams. Twice

Alpha lipoic acid. Thioctic acid 100mg. Twice

Zinc 50mg. Once (not with food)

Selenium 200mcg. Once

Vitamin B6. As pyridoxal 5 phospate 50mg. Once (in the morning)

Vitamin E 1000 IU. Once

Melatonin 1mg-6mg. Once (at bedtime)

Taurine 200mg. Twice or three times

Reduced glutathione (or NAC 600mgx2) 100mg. Three times

It will be wiser to have them all. But you could probably do without melatonin, and if you find a multivitamin with 50mg of zinc and 200 of selenium, and 50 mg of B6, that could do as well. Don't get glutathione, get NAC instead. And if the Vitamin E 800 IU is more economical, go for that one, you could get away with one of 400 IU as well.

 

[Gaby]

The thing of oral heavy metal chelators is that they may upset the digestive system, and also your digestive system must be ideally free of yeast overgrowth before you try this route, as some of the supplements which chelate heavy metals can cause an exacerbation of candida overgrowth.

I treated candida before my first treatment of DMSA, but I must have eaten too many carbs since then... I recently did another DMSA cycle, it was a reinforcement one. I did only one dose of DMSA for three days and had a yeast problem. So now I'm taking nystatin again, at least for two weeks, and I'm feeling much better.

 

[aragorn]

The thing of oral heavy metal chelators is that they may upset the digestive system, and also your digestive system must be ideally free of yeast overgrowth before you try this route, as some of the supplements which chelate heavy metals can cause an exacerbation of candida overgrowth.

I treated candida before my first treatment of DMSA, but I must have eaten too many carbs since then... I recently did another DMSA cycle, it was a reinforcement one. I did only one dose of DMSA for three days and had a yeast problem. So now I'm taking nystatin again, at least for two weeks, and I'm feeling much better.

I ended my 2.5 rounds of the DMSA protocol a few weeks ago, and phew - my stomach just wouldn't go back to normal! I too wonder if I did have a yeast problem prior to starting the chelation. I think I'll order some nystatin and saccharomyces boulardii and do a candida cleanse before I start another DMSA cycle. I wonder if the strong flu that I caught at the end of my chelation cycles was related somehow, maybe my immune system had become weaker due to my digestive problems.

Thanks to heavy doses of probiotics, enzymes, psyllium husk, FIR-sessions, coffee enemas and liquorice tea my stomach seems to be almost back to normal. :)

 

[Gaby]

I ended my 2.5 rounds of the DMSA protocol a few weeks ago, and phew - my stomach just wouldn't go back to normal! I too wonder if I did have a yeast problem prior to starting the chelation. I think I'll order some nystatin and saccharomyces boulardii and do a candida cleanse before I start another DMSA cycle. I wonder if the strong flu that I caught at the end of my chelation cycles was related somehow, maybe my immune system had become weaker due to my digestive problems.

Thanks to heavy doses of probiotics, enzymes, psyllium husk, FIR-sessions, coffee enemas and liquorice tea my stomach seems to be almost back to normal. :)

Yeah, and there are two theories as to why there are yeast problems. First, the DMSA itself and similar supplements like alpha lipoic acid and the NAC may feed the yeast. Second, it is thought that the heavy metals bind to the yeast, so as you release mercury with the DMSA, the yeast is left loose.

Ideally, we should detox mercury and be done with it, but mercury toxicity is so pervarsive that this is basically impossible. This video about mercury amalgams brings it home so to speak:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4Pnuqe-V7w&NR=1

The guys are wearing gas masks when they recreate what happens in a dentist's office. Mercury levels above 100 will evacuate a factory. Normal mercury fillings can emanate levels of 190.

 

[mada85]

I had two large amalgam fillings replaced six days ago, and I feel better. The worst one has gone, this was in my lower left jaw and had always given me a feeling of uncomfortable pressure and metallic taste. The new composite filling feels inert, just like tooth, not to mention that knowing that I'm ingesting less less poison when breathing or chewing makes me happier :)

I observed the same effect, I start sweating much faster and continue for 10 to 15 min. after. Before taking DMSA I would cool down in the shower and stop sweating but since beginning the detox, after the shower I still sweat for a few minutes.

This happens to me too after a 50 – 60 minutes sauna, but I am not taking DMSA or DMSA or any other chelating agents, although I do take NAC 600mg twice daily (since about two months ago) and ALA 300mg twice daily (for well over a year). Before I started on NAC I was taking reduced glutathione. So I'm wondering if I should take a low dose of DMSA when I start the protocol in a few weeks.

Has anyone had any difficulties with receiving deliveries from dmsachelation.com in their country? Since there seems to be a general consensus that their product is good, I'd like to go for that one.

The guys are wearing gas masks when they recreate what happens in a dentist's office. Mercury levels above 100 will evacuate a factory. Normal mercury fillings can emanate levels of 190.

Thanks for the video link, Psyche. And when they cracked open the little vial of amalgam, the material outgassed mercury at a level of 253!!! It's a miracle that anyone with amalgam fillings is able to function at all.

 

[Laurentien2]

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I observed the same effect, I start sweating much faster and continue for 10 to 15 min. after. Before taking DMSA I would cool down in the shower and stop sweating but since beginning the detox, after the shower I still sweat for a few minutes.

This happens to me too after a 50 – 60 minutes sauna, but I am not taking DMSA or DMSA or any other chelating agents, although I do take NAC 600mg twice daily (since about two months ago) and ALA 300mg twice daily (for well over a year). Before I started on NAC I was taking reduced glutathione. So I'm wondering if I should take a low dose of DMSA when I start the protocol in a few weeks.

An observation, I read that once you finish your sauna to wait for 10 to 15 min. before showering. This permit to cool down and stop the sweating first, otherwise if you go directly in the shower your body still receive heat from the hot water and will continue to sweat. I try this, will smoke a cigarette before going in the shower and indeed it solved that problem.

 

[davey72]

I wonderr if there is any way to aquire this stuff cheaply, or harvest it somehow, not only for poor people like me, but also for when it becomes unavailable

 

[monksgirl]

Now that it's been a few months with the amalgams gone, do you feel any different? I also have a large number of them, so it would be a big project to have them out. Did you start chelation before you had them out?

 

[Gawan]

Hello,

Laura mentioned a longer time ago on facebook another supplement for heavy metal detoxing:

_http://www.liquidzeolite.org/

from the site it is described:

Activated liquid zeolite is a food supplement used primarily to remove heavy metals and other toxins efficiently and safely from our bodies, significantly reducing our toxic body-burden. And as it is toxins that primarily suppress immune function and our innate healing mechanisms, the knock-on effect of removing these toxins can be astonishing.

Liquid zeolite is basically a colloidal suspension of micronized powdered zeolite — a hydrated aluminosilicate mineral — which has undergone a purification and activation manufacturing process. This website is a non-commercial one-stop information source for liquid zeolite, and on it you will find valuable information on this natural health supplement, including research, testimonials, news and criticism.

Liquidzeolite.org really does try to be as generic as possible as it is non-commercial, avoiding the use of brand names. However, the differences between the several brands now on the market can be enormous, with some liquid zeolites being nothing more than mineral water! As effective detox can be literally be a case of life-and-death for some individuals, we have a frank brand comparison section.

Finally, it must be stressed that, although like many food supplements this mineral suspension can be used therapeutically, liquid zeolite is sold as a health supplement and not a drug; therefore no medicinal claims can be made by those selling it. If you or someone you know is unwell, we recommend the counsel of a qualified healthcare practitioner, and that liquid zeolite be integrated as the detox component in a comprehensive treatment program.

Here is a link to a medical paper from the website: _http://www.liquidzeolite.org/docs/NCD_heavy-metal-excretion-study.pdf

Could this be an alternative to DMSA?