Do some French people see what's going on? Yellow Vest Protests

Gwelan (too) said:
And what about a boycott ? The great majority of the YV and those who support them are still consummers. Let's say that we only buy the minimum necessary : a little bit of happy sobriety can't hurt. Large purchases could be postponed as much as possible. I know it's totally stupid to propose a stuff like this on Christmas Eve, but it might be cool to start it in January, for example. Effective, durable and totally non-violent, but which stings where it hurts.
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When Putin talks about the yellow vest crisis
In France, the rise in gasoline was only a "pretext" for a more general discontent emanating in particular from the "French of origin", and supported by "more than 70% of the population", remarked Vladimir Poutine. The main victims, he added, are the "ethnic Parisians who have been forced to live in the suburbs", and now forced to go back and forth every day. However, the head of the Russian state has always defended any "interference" in the affairs of foreign countries. "It would not be correct to evaluate the action of the French authorities," Vladimir Putin added. Moscow is suspected by the French authorities of having stoked the movement of yellow vests, which the Kremlin denies firmly.
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Quand Poutine disserte sur la crise des gilets jaunes
 
Generals who accused Macron of "treason" risk sanctions.
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Recall of facts:
"By deciding alone to sign this pact (...), you would be guilty of a denial of democracy, even treason against the nation." The terms chosen by a group of generals to criticize the head of state are too violent to remain unanswered: sanctions are being considered, the Ministry of Defence cabinet told l'Opinion on Monday 17 December.

The Military Tribune was published on December 10. It aims to oppose the Marrakech Pact on Migration, a non-binding text whose nature has been distorted by a fringe of the radical right and "yellow vests", giving rise to many "fake news" (the text is available here in French).

Among the signatories, eleven generals and one colonel, who are no longer on active duty but still have a duty of reserve. There is General Antoine Martinez, leader of the Volontaires pour la France website, General Christian Houdet, elected regional member of the Rassemblement national (ex-FN), General Christian Piquemal, already sanctioned for having organised an anti-migrant demonstration in Calais. But also a former Minister of Defence, Charles Millon, who was formerly excluded from the UDF for having allied himself with the National Front in order to retain the presidency of the Rhône-Alpes region. For this group of generals and elected officials, Emmanuel Macron aims nothing less than to "erase our civilizational landmarks" and "deprive us of our carnal homeland".

"These remarks are unacceptable and unworthy", commented the office of the Minister of the Armed Forces to the journalist Jean-Dominique Merchet, of "l'Opinion":
"The generals who have signed this text go beyond the duty of reserve to which they are subject. This duty of reserve obliges them and all the more so because (...) they embody the top of the military hierarchy, that is, they are responsible for setting an example."

And to add:
"They are therefore exposed to disciplinary sanctions, the opportunity of which we will appreciate in the coming days."
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Les généraux qui ont accusé Macron de "trahison" risquent des sanctions
 
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Blue Gyros Act 1: The angry policemen on the Champs-Elysées (20 December 2018, Paris) [4k]:

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several dozens of demonstrators #MovimientoChalecosAmarillosPortugués manage to block the rotunda of the Marquis of Pombal in Lisbon, key to the access to the city centre. #ColetesAmarelos #ChalecosAmarillos #GiletsJaunes

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Follow the Swiss model? #ChalecosAmarillos #chalecosamarillosfrancia #Democracia #Economia #21Dic #Noticias

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What Happens If the French Yellow Vests Win? - American Herald Tribune
Mid snip:
Are you guessing what the answer would be?

I don’t say that demands of the people who are fighting in the streets of Paris are wrong. They are not. They are absolutely legitimate.

French elites are brutal, selfish, even perverse. Present French government is simply serving them, as the US presidents are all serving huge corporations, including those deadly military conglomerates. ‘They should go’, they should disappear, give way to what is logical human evolutionary pattern: a socialist, egalitarian society.

But they are not ready to go. On the contrary. They are robbing, for centuries, entire planet, and now they went so far as to plundering their own people (who were used to sharing the booty).

French citizens are not used to being plundered. For centuries they lived well, and for several last decades, they were living ‘extremely well’. They were enjoying some of the most generous benefits anywhere in the world.

Who paid for it? Did it matter? Was it ever important to those in Paris, in other big cities, or in the countryside? Were the French farmers wondering how come they were getting generous subsidies when they were producing excessive amounts of food and wine, but also when they were asked by the government not to produce much of anything? Did they often travel to Senegal, or elsewhere in West Africa, to investigate how these subsidies thoroughly destroyed agriculture sector in several former French colonies? Did they care that lives of millions there were totally ruined? Or that as far as Indonesia or Brazil, French corporations have been, aggressively, taking over food and beverage production, as well as food distribution, and that as a result, food prices in many poor countries skyrocketed to double or triple of what they are in Paris, while the local incomes remain, in some cases, only 10% of those in France?

And the food is only one example. But this essay was supposed to be about something slightly different: about the Yellow Vests, and what will happen if all of their demands would be met.

If we agree that the regime that is governing in France, entire West, and in many of its colonies and neo-colonies, is truly monstrous, perverse and brutal, we have to come to a logical conclusion that it is not going to pay the bill for better medical care, education, as well as lower taxes and higher wages of the ordinary French citizens.

If demands of the protesters are met, there will be someone else who will be forced to cover the bill. Most likely tens of millions, or hundreds of millions will be ‘taxed’. And they will not be living in France, or in the European Union, or even anywhere near.

Are protesters of Mouvement des gilets jaunes, thinking about this? Does it matter to them at least a little bit?

It did not in the past, either. Perhaps when few people like Jean Paul Sartre were still alive, these questions were periodically asked. But not lately; not now. Not during this rebellion on Champs-Élysées.

Do people in France question how many millions would have to die in order to improve the quality of life in the French cities and in provinces?
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Charity according to @CaroleDelga? Offer the remains of its petit-fours to the #GiletsJaunes... But refuse to lower the regional share of the #TaxeCarburant!
 
loreta said:
Are we talking about the same cops that fight and were extremely brutal with the Gilets Jaunes?
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Quand on écoute leurs revendications, ils veulent du matériel mieux adapter pour mieux les (gilets jaunes) battre.

When we listen to their demands, they want better equipment to better (yellow vests) to beat them.
 
In most policemen's claims, it is more a question of equipment to better protect themselves. The situation is a little confusing because there are many police unions. Some have already been on strike (for the administrative units) for more than a week now, and if others have openly gathered with the yellow vests, yesterday it is because they feel solidarity with the YV demands concerning the general standard of living and the standard of democracy. Some CRS (republican security company) express themselves anonymously and denounce orders of their hierarchy (letting the violent breakers break without intervening, not respecting their manual to be particularly violent towards demonstrators, etc...). On leaving the negotiations with the government, the invited trade unions expressed their satisfaction, but today the vast majority of non-invited policemen feel that their requests have not been met. They are given a little money that they did not claim, and nothing on equipment or on unpaid overtime (which still represents about 25 million unpaid overtime hours in total!!!!!!).
 
Le "RIC", une vieille idée toujours abandonnée
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That citizens can provoke the organization of a referendum? This is the guarantee of a democracy of permanent conflict.

The acronym flourished this Saturday, on the signs and banners of the yellow vests: "RIC", for a citizens' initiative referendum.

Presented as a demand that would make it possible to get out of the democratic crisis that France has been experiencing for more than a month now, the proposal is simple: to provide in the Constitution that a certain number of citizens may provoke the organisation of a referendum. What didn't we think of it before?

Well, it's precisely because we've been thinking about it for centuries and, every time, the idea is abandoned after it's been explored. Enough to remind us of the arguments on the subject.

In favour of the RIC, the idea that it would give substance to the democratic principle of a people's government, by the people and for the people, since it would enable the people, deprived of the exercise of their sovereignty for the benefit of their representatives between two elections, to regain the power to decide. Condorcet already recommended it when he proposed to set up a "legal means of complaint" allowing "censorship of the people on the acts of national representation".
Birth of a monster

The project was that of a democracy of surveillance or popular control, but it was swept away by the coup d'état that opened the regime of Terror. A century later, Boulangism revived the referendum, praising the virtues of the "call to the people" which made it possible to "empty in one day" the great quarrels. Switzerland was already being cited as a model. It was out of fear of plebiscitary abuses that, in the end, they gave up. Finally, under the Fifth Republic, the debate was relaunched again. While the Constitution has made a new contribution to the referendum since 1958, it was proposed twice, in 1993 and 2007, to establish a minority initiative referendum adopted during the 2008 revision.

Under the guise of increasing citizens' rights, a legal monster has been created. A complex procedure based on such high thresholds - the proposal of one fifth of parliamentarians, 185 deputies and senators, to be supported by one tenth of voters, 4.5 million - that they ensure that it can never be implemented.

So what would be the RIC that yellow vests want to see adopted? At this stage, there are more questions than answers.
Towards a confrontation regime

How many citizens? Enough for the initiative to be meaningful and little enough for the threshold to be achievable. The figure of 700,000, or 1.5% of voters, is mentioned. Why not. As for the time for collecting signatures; nothing is said when the point is essential.

Initiative on what? Now we're reading everything and everything. On a proposed law? But who writes it? And can the law cover any subject or only those who can currently be put to a referendum? And what about a constitutional review? In Switzerland, this can be done; in France, no one seems to mention it. On the other hand, the yellow vests want it to make it possible to repeal a law passed by Parliament or to dismiss an elected representative; it is a regime of confrontation between the people and their representatives that is emerging.

And then a referendum within what time frame? With or without the possibility for institutions to amend the text that the people want to see voted on? With or without a minimum participation threshold? And since the yellow vests refer to the example of Switzerland, will they accept that Parliament can, in France too, decide that the initiative is null and void?

Is it really in a democracy of permanent conflict that we want to live in?

It is easier to understand why, each time it has been proposed, the citizens' initiative referendum has finally been abandoned. No doubt the trail will be explored again, but it is likely that RIC will soon be joined by RIP, for Requiescat in pace.
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"tric et fric"
 
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them #GiletsJaunes to Edouard Philippe: "As long as we have crumbs, we'll be on the street" Les "gilets jaunes" à Edouard Philippe : "Tant qu'on aura des miettes, on sera dans la rue" …

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A LaREM member would like all French to pay income Une députée LaREM voudrait que tous les Français payent l'impôt sur le revenu … tax

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France is working to ensure the stability and independence of Lebanon. I have held talks with the President of the Republic, Mr. Michel Aoun, and Prime Minister Saad Hariri, and we hope to form a Lebanese government as soon as possible to promote cooperation between the two countries.
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Protesters sing their revolutionary songs on the streets of Spain. ✊


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I am very suspicious of this police manifestation. The real reason I think so is as you said, Gwelan, to have better equipment, better guns, etc. It is the same everywhere, the poor police feel "insecure", poor guys. Same here, in Las Palmas de Gran Canaria. They feel in danger. So I think it is difficult to compare the manifestation of the cops to the manifestation of the Gilets jaunes. One thing: now people are talking about the cops. A new reason also for the government to spend money on new police equipment. To control better who? us.
 
Yumi : it is a regime of confrontation between the people and their representatives that is emerging.

Yes, that's absolutely in what we're in. But in the countries where the RIC is legal, it doesn't make democraties in permanent conflict.
 
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