Don't know if this has been posted before, but it is definitely a MUST SEE. He's been consistent through the years.
Donald Trump wins 2016 US presidential election
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Some guy I never heard of came on my FB wall and called me an Effing idiot for "supporting" Trump. They don't seem to know the difference between active support (I didn't and don't) and avoiding a worse evil that you KNOW is evil and waiting to see where the chips fall. Well, I checked HIS page and here is what he posted there:
Can we say "seriously ponerized"? Or possibly, even psychopathic and recognizing the psychopathy of the new Dem Liberalism and wanting to get in and make a name for himself?
On my own wall, another individual who obviously has firing neurons and memory wrote something quite reasonable in reference to Killary and the fact that her followers can't accept defeat:
Can we say "seriously ponerized"? Or possibly, even psychopathic and recognizing the psychopathy of the new Dem Liberalism and wanting to get in and make a name for himself?
On my own wall, another individual who obviously has firing neurons and memory wrote something quite reasonable in reference to Killary and the fact that her followers can't accept defeat:
One thing I heard on the radio today that I didn't think about is that Trump will be part of all intelligence briefings including the secret stuff until he gets president. So there's plenty of time to 'bring him in line' - we got to wait and see what he's made of I guess.
Indeed, that's something I thought of as well - if Trump (and maybe his soon to be elected right-wing colleagues in Europe) manage to change at least SOMETHING in foreign policy and stop the slaughtering of humanity, who the heck cares if the West plunges into dark fascism? There's some karmic aspect to this I think. (Well, it's easy of course to say something like this while sitting in my comfortable home...)
What will it take, indeed? Maybe the last months/years were the last chance for people to finally get a glimpse of the man behind the curtain - after what's been happening in Syria, Putin's actions, the Clinton emails, Wikileaks & Co, it has become OBVIOUS how rotten, corrupted and criminal the West is. Many of us have been pounding out these things on social media every day during this time, and so have many other activists. What about those people who still don't get it, AT ALL? Reality split, anyone?
Scottie said:
Indeed, that's something I thought of as well - if Trump (and maybe his soon to be elected right-wing colleagues in Europe) manage to change at least SOMETHING in foreign policy and stop the slaughtering of humanity, who the heck cares if the West plunges into dark fascism? There's some karmic aspect to this I think. (Well, it's easy of course to say something like this while sitting in my comfortable home...)
Laura said:
What will it take, indeed? Maybe the last months/years were the last chance for people to finally get a glimpse of the man behind the curtain - after what's been happening in Syria, Putin's actions, the Clinton emails, Wikileaks & Co, it has become OBVIOUS how rotten, corrupted and criminal the West is. Many of us have been pounding out these things on social media every day during this time, and so have many other activists. What about those people who still don't get it, AT ALL? Reality split, anyone?
Alada
The Living Force
Laura said:
I think there are some serious issues with cognitive dissonance now for folk who can’t grok what happened. There’s a problem for them in as much as to see what the problem is, they have to grasp the scale on which they’ve been lied to, over and over again. The reason Killary lost MUST because Trump is super-evil, it can’t be that she’s even worse. I’ve been finding the same problem in some conversations though tat you have to be very mindful how you word things lest you get attacked as a Trump supporter. Its a real hot button thing.
The thing that bothers me is that this kind of anti-Trump hysteria is only serving to divert attention from the heart of the problem, that being neo liberal globalism and the minority elite which Killary represented. As your other comment said, what is it going to take!?
On a postivie note though, I’ve been equally surprised in the last few days by people I would NOT have though, actually posting and commenting very astutely. Some people DO see what’s going on, or to an extent at least. Let’s hope now that the roll of the media has been further exposed as a propaganda tool not to be trusted, that it will be harder to fool all the people all the time. For some though it will be too much to grok how deeply they invested themselves in a lie.
I’m half way through the Trump video and well, plenty to think about there, and he’s not wrong in a lot of the things he says.
This caught my eye from Pepe Escobar earlier today, in terms of what the Cs about Killary.
I've been thinking along the lines of what a few others have mentioned here. Its very hard to believe, Trump doesn't know how things work in the "secret government". He is a member of the elite after all. I'm wondering also, if there are 2 factions battling each other here and Trumps won. . Wikileaks on Trumps side for instance. I dont want to put to much time and energy into speculating though. Time will tell.
goyacobol said:
I think there is a good chance that it has been seen - not by the naked eye - but by the IRAS-B satellite IR telescope payload in 1983. The fanfare of discovery ("all that is left is to name it") was quickly squashed as the news media went silent (at the time). Wiki says this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRAS):
My own feeling is that the above is BS.
Many years ago (since lost) I had a pdf of several pages of a high school-level text book that described the exit trajectories of Pioneer and Voyager spacecraft (roughly orthogonal) in terms of a search for the sun's brown dwarf twin and rough location derived from measured exit trajectories.
luc said:
Exactly what I'm hearing in conversations - so many people do not get it AT ALL! It really is difficult to listen to people praising Killary's wisdom and goodness, they simply do not have a clue about her true nature and what's more they DON'T want to know.. Reality split indeed!
luc said:
Yeah. I'm thinking Reality Split too. I'm sticking with the Cs take on it and I reckon those who don't are headed off on another reality timeline based on their decisions right now about how to perceive what is going on here and what decisions they make based on it. Kinda like the Flat Earthers: I think they are splitting onto a different timeline/reality too.
I guess we perceive these splits as ideological disagreements, more or less, that lead to breaking of relations. When we break relations, those individuals and their "reality construct" and its emanations/frequency fades from our reality and the one we have chosen gets stronger and more stable at which point we can then encounter new decision points and splits.
I early pointed out the similarity between Trump and Hitler; Alana has pointed out the differences. Still, he got elected and I'm willing to wait and see what he does (really, what choice does one have?) and to possibly conduct myself in an encouraging way if at all possible. That's pretty much the approach we took with Putin and over time, he demonstrated that his actions match his words and he's a kick-a** dude. So we now live in a reality where the defeat of terrorism and the conservation of Syria is a real possibility. Maybe our persistence on this decision timeline led to a reality in which Donald Trump ran for president?
I dunno. It can all get complicated but I do think we are on trajectories and some of us are colinear wave-reading consciousness units!!!
Well, we thought for years now that the Potus has no real power. But is that really true? Or to say it in another way, is it really true that the Potus can do nothing in the US and in the world at large? While reading "the secret team", something struck out for me.
L. Fletcher Prouty says on a number of occasions that all that is really needed to stop or diminish the actions of the secret team (and their masters), is simply for somebody in the position to do so (an important authority in the chain of command) to say "no", to this or that plan or action. Much of what we have seen since Kennedy, is that most if not all the staff and people in the government went along with what "the secret team" proposed and has set up. There was nobody in the position to do so, who said "no", or at least somebody who can say "no" in a significant way that really works.
Now we have a Trump in there, who certainly is not known to say easily "yes" to everything, especially if he is convinced that he is right and not the other party. So I see a good possibility that Trump, the non politician who speaks frankly, will do exactly that on a number of issues.
What if all that is really needed, is for somebody like Trump to say "no" (regardless of the reasons behind his conviction to say "no") to bring things seriously into motion, regardless if he intents it that way or not? If he does so, I think the PTB could have a real problem on their hand and they can hardly pull off another "Kennedy" in this day and age, without the americans going totally bonkers (and threaten their security), and the whole world, including america, becoming acutely aware of it, which could even result in exposing "the man behind the curtain"?
Take a look at Putin and russia, all that was really needed was somebody saying "no", in the position to do so. Trump is certainly hardly even remotly comparable to Putin, but if we are lucky enough, he will at least stir up quite more paranoia within the power structure. Hopefully.
If I were Trump, I would listen closly to Putin and meet with him and his staff rather soon.
So I get the slight feeling that the PTB have just made "the big miscalculation" and the "revealing of the man behind the curtain" has yet to come.
L. Fletcher Prouty says on a number of occasions that all that is really needed to stop or diminish the actions of the secret team (and their masters), is simply for somebody in the position to do so (an important authority in the chain of command) to say "no", to this or that plan or action. Much of what we have seen since Kennedy, is that most if not all the staff and people in the government went along with what "the secret team" proposed and has set up. There was nobody in the position to do so, who said "no", or at least somebody who can say "no" in a significant way that really works.
Now we have a Trump in there, who certainly is not known to say easily "yes" to everything, especially if he is convinced that he is right and not the other party. So I see a good possibility that Trump, the non politician who speaks frankly, will do exactly that on a number of issues.
What if all that is really needed, is for somebody like Trump to say "no" (regardless of the reasons behind his conviction to say "no") to bring things seriously into motion, regardless if he intents it that way or not? If he does so, I think the PTB could have a real problem on their hand and they can hardly pull off another "Kennedy" in this day and age, without the americans going totally bonkers (and threaten their security), and the whole world, including america, becoming acutely aware of it, which could even result in exposing "the man behind the curtain"?
Take a look at Putin and russia, all that was really needed was somebody saying "no", in the position to do so. Trump is certainly hardly even remotly comparable to Putin, but if we are lucky enough, he will at least stir up quite more paranoia within the power structure. Hopefully.
If I were Trump, I would listen closly to Putin and meet with him and his staff rather soon.
So I get the slight feeling that the PTB have just made "the big miscalculation" and the "revealing of the man behind the curtain" has yet to come.
Skyalmian
Jedi Council Member
Two ponderings:
• A while back I thought I saw somewhere that Trump had said that he had learned or grew as a person, as a result of the ugly election process, maybe in October. (I can't find it.) But if true that would bring up a point, that god forbid anyone actually objectively become a better person through whatever hardships being faced, especially someone in his position?
• "USA heading for destruction!", and the "color revolution" mentions. It may be that it might not come from Trump, the infested government or what they do, but by the abjectly ponerized masses in collusion with the media (which is agitating things in Seattle right now), being beyond hope of positive change and basically shooting themselves in the foot by ruining things before they could actually get better?
• A while back I thought I saw somewhere that Trump had said that he had learned or grew as a person, as a result of the ugly election process, maybe in October. (I can't find it.) But if true that would bring up a point, that god forbid anyone actually objectively become a better person through whatever hardships being faced, especially someone in his position?
• "USA heading for destruction!", and the "color revolution" mentions. It may be that it might not come from Trump, the infested government or what they do, but by the abjectly ponerized masses in collusion with the media (which is agitating things in Seattle right now), being beyond hope of positive change and basically shooting themselves in the foot by ruining things before they could actually get better?
Regarding this election, the Killary path is known: utter destruction. The Trump path could be anything. In the worst case it would join the Killary path. The rational choice therefore is not to choose the Killary path given the knowledge that is out there in the open. The trump path can be as disastrous but in this case things are still open to interpretation. The reaction of the elite class, with their bought media outlets and so forth is understandable. However, the reaction of Killary's fanboys (and fangirls and fanneithers) is something akin to some character disturbance. It is as if Killary was a manifestation of some archetype that people are willingly aligning with.
Trumps first meeting with Obama:
_https://youtu.be/hrn1GuEq8iA?t=2h8m30s
_http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/videos/2016-11-10/obama-says-conversation-with-trump-was-excellent-ivco5dp7
_http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/11/10/trump_obama_appear_at_white_house_side_by_side.html
_https://youtu.be/hrn1GuEq8iA?t=2h8m30s
_http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/videos/2016-11-10/obama-says-conversation-with-trump-was-excellent-ivco5dp7
_http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/11/10/trump_obama_appear_at_white_house_side_by_side.html
According to the C's it's a strict hierarchy. Let's wait and see how well Trump will dance with them.
[quote author= August 23rd 2014](Odyssey) What was the purpose of Obama taking a two-day break from his two-day vacation recently?
A: Planning meeting and he got his orders.
Q: (Odyssey) What orders? [laughter]
(Somebody?) No Dice!
A: Everything he says and does is according to what he is told to say and do, including extended golf holidays.
Q: (Chu) Even his workouts? [laughter]
A: The same consortium that was behind Bush and others pulls the strings.[/quote]
[quote author= August 23rd 2014](Odyssey) What was the purpose of Obama taking a two-day break from his two-day vacation recently?
A: Planning meeting and he got his orders.
Q: (Odyssey) What orders? [laughter]
(Somebody?) No Dice!
A: Everything he says and does is according to what he is told to say and do, including extended golf holidays.
Q: (Chu) Even his workouts? [laughter]
A: The same consortium that was behind Bush and others pulls the strings.[/quote]
angelburst29
The Living Force
[/quote]Alada said:
The powers did not want her so it was a foregone conclusion that she would lose. ..... and .....
It does not appear that they notified her in advance and it seems she is having trouble recovering.
Could that possibly be interpreted as "the big miscalculation"?
Is it possible, that in the last few months, Killary became so self-obsessed with Power and Control - that the PTB lost any control of her and dumped her at the last minute? That her health became so unstable due to her total obsession, that mentally she's disintegrating past insanity and the drugs used to control her, no longer have any affect?
I can reason, the Clinton volunteers and many who voted for her getting upset over her loss but the reaction being reported by Big Donors to her Clinton Foundation - borders on pure "shock" and disbelief. Most of the media took her expected nomination - as a done deal? Millions and millions of dollars were backing her up including Soro's - so what went wrong?
[quote author= Angelburst]Is it possible, that in the last few months, Killary became so self-obsessed with Power and Control - that the PTB lost any control of her and dumped her at the last minute?[/quote]
Besides her unpopularity among the common people. It could also very well be that her own ambition and greed became her downfall. I can imagine that this whole 'Clinton foundation' is a side-hobby not meant having when you are part their club.
The only ones directing government policies are the PTB. Not her donors.
I am amazed that there is so much grief for Killary. But I am glad everyone is finally showing their true colors. They either wake up by the shock are they disintegrate further. Whatever happens, it seems the US is after all a powder keg ready to explode.
I wonder how many people would have taken on the streets if Killary had won? Maybe the country would had exploded and they where forced to declare martial law.
Besides her unpopularity among the common people. It could also very well be that her own ambition and greed became her downfall. I can imagine that this whole 'Clinton foundation' is a side-hobby not meant having when you are part their club.
The only ones directing government policies are the PTB. Not her donors.
I am amazed that there is so much grief for Killary. But I am glad everyone is finally showing their true colors. They either wake up by the shock are they disintegrate further. Whatever happens, it seems the US is after all a powder keg ready to explode.
I wonder how many people would have taken on the streets if Killary had won? Maybe the country would had exploded and they where forced to declare martial law.
