Donald Trump wins 2016 US presidential election

Laura said:
Navigator said:
Interestingly enough, Trump is not likely to win the popular vote after all.

_https://www.google.com/#q=2016+popular+vote+count&eob=enn/p//0/1///////////

Counting the rigged votes no doubt. Funny how they were so sure of their propaganda and vote rigging would work. Big mistake, obviously. BIG miscalculation.

One of the NZ reporters who is in the states covering this, reported yesterday that after crunching the numbers, they worked out that huge numbers of democrats did not vote. In fact in one state (sorry, don't remember which one), there were 7 million fewer democrat votes for Clinton than for Obama last time. I'm inclining to the view that the false polling worked so well, that people could not conceive of a Trump win, could not conceive of anything other than a Killary whitewash, and so many many democrats did not bother to vote.

And just like Brexit, the millennials didn't get their wish and are now throwing their toys out of the pram and carrying on like spoilt children. The way the democracy farce is supposed to work is, majority view prevails. No point having a tantrum and demanding a change immediately. That is not how the democracy sham works.
 
The election results can be interpreted as an anti-Hillary and anti-establishment verdict by the people rather than a pro-Trump verdict. The fact that he won when many heavyweights in the Republican Party were ambivalent or hostile towards him along with the liberals who have been predicting Armageddon if he is elected - is quite an unprecedented event in the US political climate. It goes on to show the depth of people's antipathy towards the status quo. Polls are spun and doctored frequently- but still I tend towards believing that poll finding which some commentators were discussing on election night that many who voted for Trump did not think he was "qualified" to be president. Still they did come out and vote for him which to me shows that they did not want Hillary to be president.

I have my doubts that "Trump is a spellbinder". He is a far worse orator than others imo. He does display strongly narcissistic traits and has openly flaunted them. He has alienated many demographics on his campaign trail while energizing controversial and in cases pathological elements of the society (like white nationalists of the KKK brand). He has milked American Capitalism to the best of his ability (a billionaire without tax liabilities) to build his business empire, which of course enabled him to run in this election. I have not seen much to believe that this whole exercise of running for president is anything other than a power trip for him - thus far. The difference between him and most other politicians is that he serves Donald Trump and Donald Trump alone while others serve themselves and the existing status quo of the DC political landscape.

Taking a realistic bird's eye view of the landscape, someone like Trump is kind of uniquely suited for shaking up the status quo. It is quite unlikely that a person with conscience and statesmanlike intelligence can climb to the top of the US political establishment in the current situation. So a Trump is what the country can realistically get if the people really want change - osit.

People talk about how Bernie Sanders could have won the election for the Democratic Party if he won the nomination. Well, he ran a somewhat safe campaign as far as challenging the status quo of the Democratic Party itself was concerned. So in the end, he did ditch the people who really wanted change irrespective of party affiliations. Even after losing the nomination, a defeat due in no small part to the manipulations of the Democratic Party elites, he chose to endorse Hillary rather than take the offer of Jill Stein and run on a Green Party ticket. History indicates that a 3rd party candidate has little realistic chance of clinching a national election. But in the end, Bernie chose to shore up a diseased system by endorsing Hillary rather than take a risk for the common people who gave him their money and their hope to change the status quo.
 
Alada said:

There seems to be a lot of people out there now faced with the problem that they can't see why Killary was rejected, because to do so would meaning facing the truth that they were lied to and manipulated on a massive scale. That they invested themselves in a corrupt liar whose interests were in serving the elite establishment, not the people. They can't go there, so much easier to go off into OMG! hysteria than to do that.

I spent a few hours checking out mainstream news sites after the election, just to relish their dismay. I’ve never seen such a somber, distraught bunch stammering around trying to find something to say. It was very satisfying to see such so many formerly-glib info-spinners completely speechless. Two of the best comments:

Spoken with heart-felt bewilderment: “I mean, what is it that these [Trump] people want from the government?”

No truer words ever spoken by MSM: “Considering this huge gap between all the predictions and what just happened, as well as Trump’s charges that the elite media—which would be us—is out of touch, perhaps we should all begin taking a long look at ourselves.”

luc said:
One thing I heard on the radio today that I didn't think about is that Trump will be part of all intelligence briefings including the secret stuff until he gets president. So there's plenty of time to 'bring him in line' - we got to wait and see what he's made of I guess.
Yeah, Trump needs to be very wary of all those “advisors” who insinuate themselves with offers to “help” our presidents, especially those who likely are already part of his inner circle.
Alada said:
I think there are some serious issues with cognitive dissonance now for folk who can’t grok what happened. There’s a problem for them in as much as to see what the problem is, they have to grasp the scale on which they’ve been lied to, over and over again.
Gregg Guttfield on FOX offered this Hillarious analogy:

“The Democrats are like some guy who’s waked up with a humongous hang-over from a three-day bachelor’s party wondering where he is, and what happened to his clothes!”

Alada said:
Pepe Escobar

"... That was what Trump meant that it was complicated as he had to say what he said about reconciliation and how wonderful she was. All these things are orchestrated, you know. I would like to say I feel sorry for her but I do not."

Could you believe Trump said something to this effect in his victory speech, "we owe a debt of gratitude to Hillary for all her many years of service to this country"?!
 
IF THE PTB caused enough UNREST, could the OBMA administration (before they hand over the keys to the White House to Trump Adminis.) delay the TRUMP reign somehow?? Be it by months??? IN my memory of 57 years this is the first time i see the american people out on the streets 'against' a new duly elected president of the US, and if ithe revolt is manufactured maybe they (shadow govt) plan to use this as a stepping stone for more serious UNREST? Which is something that the C's have hinted at, unless I misread their message? That if TRUMP was elected 'he could be the bringer of bad tidings'??? FWIW
 
Pashalis said:
Trumps first meeting with Obama:
_https://youtu.be/hrn1GuEq8iA?t=2h8m30s
_http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/videos/2016-11-10/obama-says-conversation-with-trump-was-excellent-ivco5dp7
_http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/11/10/trump_obama_appear_at_white_house_side_by_side.html

It may be just my impression, but Trump's posture seems quite uncomfortable, not like he is in charge of the situation. Maybe he already had his talks with the PTB, receiving a warning or arriving at some sort of deal? Though it may really be just the novelty of the situation - having his first press conference in the White House and meeting the current president for the first time.
 
A woman's reply on the Sayer Ji FB page:

Sheri Novax Nakken A WOMAN'S VIEW ON TRUMP...
Someone asked a woman how she could vote for Trump, a “misogynist, a racist and a bigot!!!!!”
Here is her answer:
Because I use my head to research and find out what candidates really are, not what the media wants me to think.
Because Donald Trump has more women in executive and managerial positions than any comparable company, which tells me he is not a misogynist.
Because he pays these women the same or more than their male counterparts, which tells me looks for capacity and skills in people, not color, gender or race.
Because he fought the West Palm Beach City Council to be able to open his newly purchased club, so he could include blacks and Jews as members, who had been banned until then. This tells me he is not a racist.
Because he has raised wonderful children who have turned out to be outstanding, hard working and compassionate adults. He must be doing something right.
Because his economic plans makes sense, are conservative in nature, and I vote based of what is best for my family, my friends and my country.
Because everybody, the left and the right are afraid of him, the media is trying to destroy his image, and even foreign governments are voicing their opinions, so he must be doing something right. Clean house maybe?
Because I want a Supreme Court that will uphold the Constitution, not behave as minions of the administration. I have had enough with judges who are more like political activists than law enforcers.
Because I fear for my family’s safety if the current trend of not confronting blatant terrorism continues ­ which is a threat to our way of life.
Because I am fed up with the rampant corruption of this administration. Accountability in government is paramount, and as this administration has demonstrated, it is a foreign concept to them.
Because I am fed up with the political correctness gone wild, and because Trump is not afraid to say what everybody thinks but does not dare to say. A thug is a thug, regardless of color, and that's it.
Because it is about time someone puts America 's interests ahead of other countries.
Because I know he recognizes and embraces America 's exceptionalism, and will not tour the World apologizing for who we are. That tells me he is a patriot.
Because, unlike HRC, he has actually held a job, worked hard and achieved success.
And last, but not least, because I am more offended by what Hillary does than by what Trump says.
 
Gandalf said:
A woman's reply on the Sayer Ji FB page:

Sheri Novax Nakken A WOMAN'S VIEW ON TRUMP...
Someone asked a woman how she could vote for Trump, a “misogynist, a racist and a bigot!!!!!”
Here is her answer:
Because I use my head to research and find out what candidates really are, not what the media wants me to think.
Because Donald Trump has more women in executive and managerial positions than any comparable company, which tells me he is not a misogynist.
Because he pays these women the same or more than their male counterparts, which tells me looks for capacity and skills in people, not color, gender or race.
Because he fought the West Palm Beach City Council to be able to open his newly purchased club, so he could include blacks and Jews as members, who had been banned until then. This tells me he is not a racist.
Because he has raised wonderful children who have turned out to be outstanding, hard working and compassionate adults. He must be doing something right.
Because his economic plans makes sense, are conservative in nature, and I vote based of what is best for my family, my friends and my country.
Because everybody, the left and the right are afraid of him, the media is trying to destroy his image, and even foreign governments are voicing their opinions, so he must be doing something right. Clean house maybe?
Because I want a Supreme Court that will uphold the Constitution, not behave as minions of the administration. I have had enough with judges who are more like political activists than law enforcers.
Because I fear for my family’s safety if the current trend of not confronting blatant terrorism continues ­ which is a threat to our way of life.
Because I am fed up with the rampant corruption of this administration. Accountability in government is paramount, and as this administration has demonstrated, it is a foreign concept to them.
Because I am fed up with the political correctness gone wild, and because Trump is not afraid to say what everybody thinks but does not dare to say. A thug is a thug, regardless of color, and that's it.
Because it is about time someone puts America 's interests ahead of other countries.
Because I know he recognizes and embraces America 's exceptionalism, and will not tour the World apologizing for who we are. That tells me he is a patriot.
Because, unlike HRC, he has actually held a job, worked hard and achieved success.
And last, but not least, because I am more offended by what Hillary does than by what Trump says.

Wow. Just wow.

And yet the anti-Trump forces continue to beat the drum. They are truly clueless.
 
axj said:
Pashalis said:
Trumps first meeting with Obama:
_https://youtu.be/hrn1GuEq8iA?t=2h8m30s
_http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/videos/2016-11-10/obama-says-conversation-with-trump-was-excellent-ivco5dp7
_http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/11/10/trump_obama_appear_at_white_house_side_by_side.html

It may be just my impression, but Trump's posture seems quite uncomfortable, not like he is in charge of the situation. Maybe he already had his talks with the PTB, receiving a warning or arriving at some sort of deal? Though it may really be just the novelty of the situation - having his first press conference in the White House and meeting the current president for the first time.

Very telling photo. Trump is very defensive. NOTHING like the snapshots of Bill and the Bush's and Obama being all chummy and smiling and relaxed. They are both barely tolerating each other. Thanks.
 
Laura said:
luc said:
manitoban said:
What will it take, indeed? Maybe the last months/years were the last chance for people to finally get a glimpse of the man behind the curtain - after what's been happening in Syria, Putin's actions, the Clinton emails, Wikileaks & Co, it has become OBVIOUS how rotten, corrupted and criminal the West is. Many of us have been pounding out these things on social media every day during this time, and so have many other activists. What about those people who still don't get it, AT ALL? Reality split, anyone?

Exactly what I'm hearing in conversations - so many people do not get it AT ALL! It really is difficult to listen to people praising Killary's wisdom and goodness, they simply do not have a clue about her true nature and what's more they DON'T want to know.. Reality split indeed!

Yeah. I'm thinking Reality Split too. I'm sticking with the Cs take on it and I reckon those who don't are headed off on another reality timeline based on their decisions right now about how to perceive what is going on here and what decisions they make based on it. Kinda like the Flat Earthers: I think they are splitting onto a different timeline/reality too.

I guess we perceive these splits as ideological disagreements, more or less, that lead to breaking of relations. When we break relations, those individuals and their "reality construct" and its emanations/frequency fades from our reality and the one we have chosen gets stronger and more stable at which point we can then encounter new decision points and splits.

I early pointed out the similarity between Trump and Hitler; Alana has pointed out the differences. Still, he got elected and I'm willing to wait and see what he does (really, what choice does one have?) and to possibly conduct myself in an encouraging way if at all possible. That's pretty much the approach we took with Putin and over time, he demonstrated that his actions match his words and he's a kick-a** dude. So we now live in a reality where the defeat of terrorism and the conservation of Syria is a real possibility. Maybe our persistence on this decision timeline led to a reality in which Donald Trump ran for president?

I dunno. It can all get complicated but I do think we are on trajectories and some of us are colinear wave-reading consciousness units!!!

Yeah, events like these really sort out the wheat from the chaff when it comes to people's opinions. It makes me pretty angry and sad to see friends who I thought were awake seem to be believing nothing but lies these days. Western Millenials/students really are the most clueless people on Earth right now. But there are a few good surprises also.

Regarding what we do based on what we see in these geopolitical events, right now it seems there's not much else to do asides from being good keyboard warriors spreading some truth in whatever small platform we have. Also making financial investments based on an accurate view of reality is looking more and more worthwhile.


axj said:
It may be just my impression, but Trump's posture seems quite uncomfortable, not like he is in charge of the situation. Maybe he already had his talks with the PTB, receiving a warning or arriving at some sort of deal? Though it may really be just the novelty of the situation - having his first press conference in the White House and meeting the current president for the first time.


Yeah that does come across somewhat. I might be totally projecting but I actually feel kind of sorry for Trump. Like, I feel that behind all the bluster and narcissism he is just a pretty decent, realistic guy and actually does just want to have a good life, let other people have the good life, and chill. He strongly reminds me of a friend I used to know who was pretty insecure, ended up getting into bodybuilding/steroids and tried his best making friends with all the cool people. Now Trump has entered a den of truly evil people, type of people who would sooner get their jollies from raping and killing children. It can't end well for him.

All that might be 100% wrong though of course.
 
Smurf won, but it won t make any difference for Merica and it s self destruct sequence. I can not say I am sorry.
 
romochar said:
IF THE PTB caused enough UNREST, could the OBMA administration (before they hand over the keys to the White House to Trump Adminis.) delay the TRUMP reign somehow?? Be it by months??? IN my memory of 57 years this is the first time i see the american people out on the streets 'against' a new duly elected president of the US, and if ithe revolt is manufactured maybe they (shadow govt) plan to use this as a stepping stone for more serious UNREST? Which is something that the C's have hinted at, unless I misread their message? That if TRUMP was elected 'he could be the bringer of bad tidings'??? FWIW

Yes, but it is also an election, that they clearly did not get their stooge elected. This has not happened for a long time, (if ever). The revolt scenario is clearly managed, as their networks are showing it ad nauseum. I am sure it was Plan B when the Hillary thing started to self destruct. But their plans only work if people fall for them, and judging by Plan A, people are not, in sufficient numbers. In fact, I think as they get more desperate, and do more desperate things, it is backfiring on them.
 
It's worth noting these incidents of random racism occuring now, similar to post-Brexit:

https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656

Quite a collection so far
 
Carl said:
Yeah that does come across somewhat. I might be totally projecting but I actually feel kind of sorry for Trump. Like, I feel that behind all the bluster and narcissism he is just a pretty decent, realistic guy and actually does just want to have a good life, let other people have the good life, and chill. He strongly reminds me of a friend I used to know who was pretty insecure, ended up getting into bodybuilding/steroids and tried his best making friends with all the cool people. Now Trump has entered a den of truly evil people, type of people who would sooner get their jollies from raping and killing children. It can't end well for him.

All that might be 100% wrong though of course.

This has been on my mind as well. While he might be a total narcissist, I don't think he's a psychopath, i.e., not part of the "club". I'm sure he's dealt with his fair share of psycho's running his business and playing the corporate game but the politics game has players of a different ilk and they're nasty creatures. I can already picture the black suits telling him what he's gonna have to do and what he can't.... or else. He's gonna have to be really aware of the "ruthless and monolithic conspiracy" that took Kennedy out. It will be interesting to see how the backroom controllers will play this one out. I'm glad that Hillary didn't win although I was pretty convinced of it. Not that anything is really gonna change, I don't think, since I'm sort of reminded of the whole Obama thing where all his lofty campaign promises took a back seat once he got into office.

What I think is good is a choice was made at some level that represents the hope for something other than complete lies and evil that she represented.


Hello H2O said:
romochar said:
IF THE PTB caused enough UNREST, could the OBMA administration (before they hand over the keys to the White House to Trump Adminis.) delay the TRUMP reign somehow?? Be it by months??? IN my memory of 57 years this is the first time i see the american people out on the streets 'against' a new duly elected president of the US, and if ithe revolt is manufactured maybe they (shadow govt) plan to use this as a stepping stone for more serious UNREST? Which is something that the C's have hinted at, unless I misread their message? That if TRUMP was elected 'he could be the bringer of bad tidings'??? FWIW

Yes, but it is also an election, that they clearly did not get their stooge elected. This has not happened for a long time, (if ever). The revolt scenario is clearly managed, as their networks are showing it ad nauseum. I am sure it was Plan B when the Hillary thing started to self destruct. But their plans only work if people fall for them, and judging by Plan A, people are not, in sufficient numbers. In fact, I think as they get more desperate, and do more desperate things, it is backfiring on them.


You might be onto something there. I think they were already pretty desperate during the campaign when they had to hire people to instigate fights at Trump rallies to make it look like they were all a bunch of crazies. I wouldn't be surprised if these same groups were still at it after the fact.
 
Carl said:
It's worth noting these incidents of random racism occuring now, similar to post-Brexit:

https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656

Quite a collection so far

Frightening. Really goes to show no matter who won people would suffer. Feels like the country is falling apart.

"Yes, that is because people believe in progress and culture. There is no progress whatever. Everything is just the same as it was thousands, and tens of thousands, of years ago. The outward form changes. The essence does not change. Man remains just the same. 'Civilized' and 'cultured' people live with exactly the same interests as the most ignorant savages. Modern civilization is based on violence and slavery and fine words.

"...What do you expect? People are machines. Machines have to be blind and unconscious, they cannot be otherwise, and all their actions have to correspond to their nature. Everything happens. No one does anything. 'Progress' and 'civilization,' in the real meaning of these words, can appear only as the result of conscious efforts. They cannot appear as the result of unconscious mechanical actions. And what conscious effort can there be in machines? And if one machine is unconscious, then a hundred machines are unconscious, and so are a thousand machines, or a hundred thousand, or a million. And the unconscious activity of a million machines must necessarily result in destruction and extermination. It is precisely in unconscious involuntary manifestations that all evil lies. You do not yet understand and cannot imagine all the results of this evil. But the time will come when you will understand."
 
Regarding 'color' revolutions. Never mind the colors of their flags. It's the color of their consciousness that interests me more. Seems to me that the color of Killary's supporters' revolt is the color of mud. No offense to mud. I like mud myself. But as an energy or aura color? Her supporters' frequency resonance vibration is maybe tuned to A=440Hz. Whereas those who are aware of 'what' Hillary 'is' - maybe they're tuned to A=432Hz. Not a scientific proposal, mind you. Just an off-the-wall thought I had. Seems to me that mud colored consciousness reflects a subjective, wishful, unclear murky sort of thinking.

Laura and several others mentioned a possible reality shift vis-a-vis the alignments and choices people have been and are continuing to make with respect to Clinton and Trump. Yes. It feels that way to me too. I'm seeing it in myself, in my family members, my friends, and all my neighbors.

Thank you Pashalis for that quote from Prouty's book. I rememer reading it online several years ago (2008?). And the part about saying NO - and meaning it - has been of major importance in my own personal life. I used to be one of those people who could almost never bring myself to say No to others. I didn't want to disappoint them. I also had no 'will' to say no. Once I found my NO-power, it was like getting out of a Yes-Trap.

Carl: Keyboard Warriors? Great phrase. Hope you don't mind if I borrow it myself?

Slightly off-topic . . . but I really want to thank you all for your great comments and thoughts. I'm feeling very grateful that this Forum exists - and very grateful to Laura, Ark, the Chateaux Crew, all the members here that you all exist and have helped so many people on our planet to SEE & HEAR the objective truth about so much of the various Density realities.

Probably what I'm most grateful for is all the information this group (starting with Laura and her experiences) has researched and made available to all the world regarding the subject of psychopaths and what that means for the human race and our Earth . . . and the Cosmos.

If I had to list some of the 'simple karmic lessons' important to learn in 3rd Density, I would put psychopathy at the top of my list. If that lesson isn't learned, then all the other lessons I've learned seem almost irrelevant to me.

Muchos Mahalos Folks. :)
 
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