Donald Trump wins 2016 US presidential election

sedenion said:
You are discovering how "leftists" (or "useful idiots") are functionning... (or: how the system makes their brains ready to fight all what is against the globalist agenda). You are discovering what we know in france since 15 years...

Who is this "we"? If "we" (the French) really had known that for 15 years, "we" wouldn't have voted massively for the system's candidates in 2002, 2007 and 2012. Not that I don't think Le Pen is not part of the system herself (she is a political animal, comes from a political family etc.), though certainly there's some similarity with Trump, in terms of ideas / speech.

It is funny, because in France, at the begining, we beleived that Trump was used like the "Front National" in france: The way to force people to vote "against the devil" (so, for the system's candidate), but, it appear that USA (unexperienced) missed something in the process :D

Oh yeah, "French exceptionalism" :rolleyes:
 
Adaryn said:
Who is this "we"? If "we" (the French) really had known that for 15 years, "we" wouldn't have voted massively for the system's candidates in 2002, 2007 and 2012.

You don't understand what i am saying. "Leftists" reactions vis à vis trump is what we (france) know since 15 years each time the FN won a "first turn" of an election. It is what we know each time a "leftist" react with pavlov reflex when you say "FN" or "LePen"... : "wouf wouf wouf fascist, racist, ... hitler !!". In a more general sens, it is what we know with our "leftists" each time you are: against EU (this is turning recently, yes), against USA and NATO, agree with Putin, etc...

Adaryn said:
Not that I don't think Le Pen is not part of the system herself (she is a political animal, comes from a political family etc.), though certainly there's some similarity with Trump, in terms of ideas / speech.

The big difference is that in France, the media sphere well understood that, to prevent FN to be elected, you have to manipulate poll in favor of the FN, to let beleive there is a big menace of "hitler return", so people massively vote against. USA used the other tactic (the one used for EU referendum here): Lets beleive majority of people is wise, so you should vote like the majority of people.

Adaryn said:
Oh yeah, "French exceptionalism" :rolleyes:

In this case, the exceptionnalism is USA, because they elected precisely what they were not supposed to elect. The FN exists since 30 years and was introduced by the smart freemason (and traitor) François Mitterrand since 80's exactly to do what i explained (and even more)... so yes, in France, the tactic of manipulating opinion for voting, with an artificial "devil" presented to the public as the reincarnation of hitler becomed a Science. Things are now little changing, but i doubt we will have any surprise for French election. The program is so well implemented.
 
I think all of ya'll might want to take a look at this:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,43095.0.html

That's the liberal/progressive agenda exposed: Fascism under the guise of political correctness.

We have to realize that what Lobaczewski wrote about ideologies comes into play here. The liberal/progressive ideology was seen as the ideal vehicle to achieve what Douglas Reed described as "World Revolution".

Recall this from 7 Jan 96:

The forces at work here are far too clever to be accurately anticipated so easily. You never know what twists and turns will follow, and they are aware of prophetic and philosophical patternings and usually shift course to fool and discourage those who believe in fixed futures.

The liberal left is already fully ponerized. Meanwhile, the Right seems to have re-discovered some values though certainly they aren't perfect.

The problem is, we are in a hell of a mess and the situation is nuanced - nothing black and white. It will take a whole lot of observing and feedback to really try to figure out what is going on and in most cases, we won't be able to do even that: we will just have to wait and see.

But again: at least Trump and Co do not appear to be in any way connected to the pedophile cannibals as Hillary and Co were/are.

For Sedenion: there is actually a large network of those pedophile cannibals running the show in France, too.
 
sedenion said:
Adaryn said:
Who is this "we"? If "we" (the French) really had known that for 15 years, "we" wouldn't have voted massively for the system's candidates in 2002, 2007 and 2012.

You don't understand what i am saying. "Leftists" reactions vis à vis trump is what we (france) know since 15 years each time the FN won a "first turn" of an election. It is what we know each time a "leftist" react with pavlov reflex when you say "FN" or "LePen"... : "wouf wouf wouf fascist, racist, ... hitler !!". In a more general sens, it is what we know with our "leftists" each time you are: against EU (this is turning recently, yes), against USA and NATO, agree with Putin, etc...

Thanks for the clarification. Yes, I agree with you on that point. The above has been going on in France for many years.

In this case, the exceptionnalism is USA, because they elected precisely what they were not supposed to elect. The FN exists since 30 years and was introduced by the smart freemason (and traitor) François Mitterrand since 80's exactly to do what i explained (and even more)... so yes, in France, the tactic of manipulating opinion for voting, with an artificial "devil" presented to the public as the reincarnation of hitler becomed a Science. Things are now little changing, but i doubt we will have any surprise for French election. The program is so well implemented.

I tend to agree, though I prefer to leave all options open. One never knows - people seem so fed up with what's going on, and with the 2 party system. But yeah, the program ("FN is the devil/neo-nazi beast" - NOT that I like the FN - I don't) is deeply ingrained, and all the while, most people do not seem to realize that the 'Leftists' are the fascist ones, with their political correctness imposed upon the masses. The atmosphere is stifling. Defend certain traditional values and you're immediately called a fascist, an extremist or an intolerant.
I also think the "anti system" movement was hurt a lot by that con artist - Dieudonné - and that (ex?) junkie-sexual predator-train wreck that is Alain Soral. So the question is: was it deliberate damage control? One thing's sure, they received a lot of media coverage. If they really had been genuine oppositon/dangerous to the system, they'd have been suppressed/ignored by the media (like Asselineau is). At least that's my take on it at this point.
 
Laura said:
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For Sedenion: there is actually a large network of those pedophile cannibals running the show in France, too.

In germany as well (see this for example), as it is pretty much everywhere else in the "great western society", I'm afraid.
 
I remember a while back when I started observing the regressive left the consensus on this forum was fairly against my point of view.So I began to think that maybe I'm wrong and decided to step back and keep observing.And I just kept seeing examples of irrational behavior coming from the left I was beginning to wonder if I'm going insane.Now with this whole fiasco the folks on this forum are showing the same attitude towards liberals that I had back then.I think this is a lesson in trusting my own reading instrument and a reminder that the people on this forum are just people like me,who can get things wrong and it's best not to get salty about it (though it can be hard sometimes).
 
Laura said:
For Sedenion: there is actually a large network of those pedophile cannibals running the show in France, too.

Yes, we (the informed part of the french people) are aware of that... we know that this network is linked to the judicature and maybe even some part of the high level power... all affairs like Outreau or Dutroux have many shadows parts that let understand this is not only some isolated cases. If you are interested, here we have even people that explain that this network exists since 16th century, with what is called "Hopital General" : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC2fbev3WBg (in french, sorry)... so this is a looonnng history.
 
This article points to a interesting fact, if true. Trump first talked to Putin and Co., before he even talked to the establishment about it. So apparently they were informed after the fact and what exactly was spoken remains unclear:

Vladimir Putin Knows More About Donald Trump’s Plans Than U.S. Officials Do

From the article:

It seems Russian President Vladimir Putin and Shinzō Abe, prime minister of Japan, know more about the future of U.S. national security priorities under President-elect Donald Trump than the troops and diplomats who would carry it out.

Trump talked to Putin on Monday. And he reportedly met with Abe on Thursday in New York. But his transition team reached out to the Pentagon and several other agencies for the first time only on Thursday afternoon, a defense official told The Daily Beast. Throughout his first week as president-elect, Trump has forged ahead with crafting U.S. foreign policy apparently without the input of the relevant departments.

The decision to talk to foreign leaders about policy without even notifying the U.S. government officials is the latest unorthodox move by a president-elect defined by firsts. Most presidents-elect do not have extensive talks with foreign leaders without at least consulting the U.S. government for background information, a summary of the current policy, or advice on how to proceed.

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There is no rule that says a president-elect has to consult the administration. But it’s uncommon for the current administration to have no idea what is being negotiated on behalf of the United States, even one with just weeks to serve. With so few details, U.S. national security officials, particularly those who will serve in the next administration, are left reading tea leaves and statements to figure out what’s being negotiated. Pentagon and State Department officials said they were not aware of the calls beforehand.

Did Trump make promises the U.S. can’t keep? Did he change policy? No one can say for sure, as the Trump transition team has yet to provide a readout of those interactions.

“You could have President-elect Trump making commitments that don’t make sense or he doesn’t understand the full ramifications. And then it is hard to walk it back; that could undermine that relationship,” said Lawrence Korb, a defense analyst for the Center for American Progress who worked on President Reagan’s transition team. “The risk [is] that you make commitments that are not in the national security interest that become hard to back out of.”

It is not even clear if the calls were secure. A transition spokesman, Jason Miller, told reporters in a call Thursday that “appropriate” security measures were taken but didn’t elaborate.

The best source of information about Trump’s conversation with Putin came Thursday, from the Russian state media news service Tass, which reported that during the 30-minute call the two talked about the war in Syria, the future of Ukraine, and setting up a date to meet after Jan. 20.
Putin “noted readiness to build partner dialogue with the new administration on the principles of equality, mutual respect, and non-interference into each other’s domestic affairs,” the Kremlin said in a statement.

But is that what Putin and Trump really talked about? Given the inevitably messy transition process, there is an incentive for Russia to use this time to shape the relationship between the two countries.

The Russians are saying in their statements about talks with Trump that they want better relations with the U.S. Yet Russia continues to bomb U.S. allies in the Syrian city of Aleppo on behalf of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, a man the U.S. declared must go.

The Trump transition team statement did not offer many more details.

“During the call, the two leaders discussed a range of issues including the threats and challenges facing the United States and Russia, strategic economic issues, and the historical U.S.-Russia relationship that dates back over 200 years,” the Trump transition team said in a statement Monday.
So far, based on Trump’s rhetoric during the campaign, national security officials know that the president-elect wants better relations with Russia. He has said he wants to work with Russia to defeat the self-proclaimed Islamic State in Syria, and he said Putin was a better leader than President Obama. In the hours after the election, Putin said, “Trump’s first statements give us hope that steps towards improving relations between the USA and Russia are possible,” Putin said via spokesman Dmitry Peskov, according to the Associated Press.

In the past, presidents-elect have usually reached out to address a crisis. President-elect Reagan, the last person known to have reached out to foreign leaders in the weeks before taking the oath, spoke to foreign leaders in a bid to secure the release of American hostages in Iran. The remaining hostages were released on Jan. 20, his Inauguration Day.

Throughout, Reagan consulted with the outgoing administration about those discussions.
Officials said that even if they don’t know what Trump is saying now, eventually they will. Eventually, he will have to work with the departments to implement policy. And then, as one U.S. official explained, things will become official.

“The Machine will eventually start documenting” what Trump is telling world leaders, the official explained.
 
Adaryn said:
I also think the "anti system" movement was hurt a lot by that con artist - Dieudonné - and that (ex?) junkie-sexual predator-train wreck that is Alain Soral. So the question is: was it deliberate damage control? One thing's sure, they received a lot of media coverage. If they really had been genuine oppositon/dangerous to the system, they'd have been suppressed/ignored by the media (like Asselineau is). At least that's my take on it at this point.

No, i don't think the french "anti system" movement was realy hurt... Soral was hurt, in some manner, but Soral is hurt mainly because he is a an exceptionally egocentric guy, and he pay its own errors (he is not more sexual predator than the average dredger i think, but he is clumsy, so they used this against him, in fact, in a similar way they did this for Trump and its famous sexist private conversation). The Asselineau question is dificult... the main strategy of french "anti system" movement (beyond Soral and Dieudonné, we have many people: the "Cercle Aristote" network and "Scriptoblog" network for example) is to bet on FN because Asselineau have no way to be elected for them... They are not fully wrong, but yes, i would too prefer Asselineau than FN personnally...
 
Hindsight Man said:
I remember a while back when I started observing the regressive left the consensus on this forum was fairly against my point of view.So I began to think that maybe I'm wrong and decided to step back and keep observing.And I just kept seeing examples of irrational behavior coming from the left I was beginning to wonder if I'm going insane.Now with this whole fiasco the folks on this forum are showing the same attitude towards liberals that I had back then.I think this is a lesson in trusting my own reading instrument and a reminder that the people on this forum are just people like me,who can get things wrong and it's best not to get salty about it (though it can be hard sometimes).

The main thing to understand with "leftists", is that, they obviously are against "capital", "imperialism", etc, but in fact, their psychological behavior is runned by a paradoxal identity construction: they need to be AGAINST a power to "exists", to have a "raison d'être", they need to be "the victim" of a power, so to be "the revolutionnary force". So in fact, they NEED an autoritarian and unfair power ! This is what can be called the "the institutionnal contestation"... (think about the movie The Shawshank Redemption https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnrLkzSgVxg ) So they are traped in a paradox, they are "against" a power, but they need that power to exists. This is why they have "irrational" behaviour... ( in France, this was particularly shown during the "Nuit Debout" event and their slogan "lets dream !"... (ok, dream... so stay asleep), so in France, yes, they actually live in an "alternative reality", this is obvious (funny or dramatic, depending how you choose to watch)... they need this "alternative reality" to exists, to be "the good, the beautifull, the revolutionary, etc". )
 
lilies said:
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This new reality - the 'No-Hillary'-one we are in now - seems to be acceptable enough for a lessons-learning environment...
One of my overriding thoughts throughout the election has been that Trump would provide a refreshingly new set of lessons to learn rather than continued review of the Clinton et al psychopath curriculum.
 
( see, psycho-anti-trump are even in France... http://meta.tv/le-vrai-visage-des-manifestants-anti-trump [the usual dumb (and violent) leftists... well known here...so dumb and brainwashed this is even not needed to pay them] )
 
Adaryn said:
I also think the "anti system" movement was hurt a lot by that con artist - Dieudonné - and that (ex?) junkie-sexual predator-train wreck that is Alain Soral.

Why do you call Dieudonné a "con artist" and Soral a "junkie-sexual predator-train wreck"?
 
Niall said:
Why do you call Dieudonné a "con artist" and Soral a "junkie-sexual predator-train wreck"?

There is a part of truth... Dieudonné is NOT a white dove, and it appear now clearer and clearer that he take benefits of its fans's naivety. Soral is NOT an angel... he have a very strong character, with some pretty "funky" past... however, i doubt it is a "sexual predator", but all is depending what you call "sexual predator" (Dominic Strauss Kahn IS a sexual predator, Pepé Le Pew is not a sexual predator [well, the nuancy is not easy to catch, i guess...]).
 
Yesterday evening i watched one program where one journalist has an interview with one old Serbian lady. She have above 80 years now but she worked as a nanny for Donald Trumps kids for many years.

Its interesting to hear her words about Trump. She is describing him as a good, generous and carrying human being. She also mentions that he is not a type of human who looks everything through money and how even she remembers him as a great man. Of course, this is just her subjective thinking and it does not have to be true at all.

At the end of the show she says that when she heard that he became a president of the USA that she went to church and that she prayed for his life because she is afraid that they won't allow for a decent man to be on that position.

Here is link from the episode.Its on Macedonian language

_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei1mmQlmqlo
 

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