Donald Trump wins 2016 US presidential election

What struck me as interesting is that the Cs talked about a color revolution in the US when I couldn‘t make much sense of it – because a color revolution is by definition a Soros-style LIBERAL revolution. Soro‘s network is liberal and can‘t do anything but a liberal revolution promoting ponerized pseuda-liberal values. Only now it might have become clear what the Cs meant to an extent, at least I couldn't see it before: the real new Nazis are the liberals! Who would have thought? Their 'brown shirts', i.e. ponerized ideological idiots on campuses and so on, might not be that frightening, but if they have the Orwellian newspeak and thought control on their side as well as the media and even the law, they are terrifying indeed!

I think it‘s important to remember though that as far as I understand, 4D STS doesn‘t care about the specifics of what‘s going on here – they are all about putting mind-parasites into our heads that make us docile and trap us into not using our true 'spiritual' power, which we then give to them and which they consume. So it doesn‘t really matter what kind of ideology does the job, as long as it feeds them. In fact, it might be more convenient for them to 'diversify' - have the liberal Nazis and put some Muslim-hating right-wingers out there for good measure. Those latter might become the new 'commies'! Crazy how that works when ideologies are just a tool to replay the same predator-prey dynamics over and over again.

How all this will play out specifically, I guess we can only observe/‘watch the show‘. Will there be a right-wing counter-revolution against the liberal Nazis? Will there be fighting on the streets à la SA, SS and commies in the 30‘s? Will the liberals put Muslims into camps because they don‘t care about gender issues, maybe with the support of the right-wingers who are wrongly blaming the Muslims for our misery? Does Trump think he can contain the extreme right on his camp, only to get overthrown by a questionable figure (actually, despite the out of proportion accusations against Steve Bannon, someone like him comes to mind and I do find him kinda creepy)? Will the liberal Nazis somehow get rid of Trump and use him as an excuse to close all the alternative websites because of 'hate speech' to create an Orwellian fascist system based on liberal newspeak like history has never seen before?

As the Cs said, there are so many variables, and I think Political Ponerology as well as our higher perspective here in terms of 4D STS feeding off humanity might be very important to navigate these crazy times. And I‘m glad that there are the Cs who might continue giving us clues so that we can go into the right direction IF we do our best in terms of awareness & applying knowledge...
 
luc said:
the real new Nazis are the liberals!

You got it... a clue : Libarals > gay mariage > baby business > eugenics business > Brave New World... for french speakers: https://youtu.be/rMS7NjFOaFQ?t=5m22s
 
Have y'all seen this? _http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/richard-spencer-speech-npi/508379/

I know this doesn't represent the majority of Trump supporters, but man are these people scary.
 
PhoenixToEmber said:
Have y'all seen this? _http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/richard-spencer-speech-npi/508379/

I know this doesn't represent the majority of Trump supporters, but man are these people scary.

It's scary and exactly what the 'Liberal' media needs to paint him as the new Fuhrer and get this 'color revolution' against 'racism' going.


Trump doesn't want anything to do with these hatefull bunch of people.

Here he stares down a KKK follower (Propably set up by the Clinton campaign to smear Trump) and awaits while this guy get's removed.



Trump needs to address this correctly, because the 'racist' card will be used against him in the coming coup. OSIT.
 
bjorn said:
Trump needs to address this correctly, because the 'racist' card will be used against him in the coming coup. OSIT.

The "racist" card has been played so much that as far as I can tell people are becoming desensitized to it. Has anyone noticed that all these smear campaigns and left-wing activists seem to have switched to using the word "White Supremacist" instead, to describe things that got Trump into power, such as the unemployed lower middle class and the electoral college? I guess they figure it packs more punch.
 
No populist talk, just Trump getting down to business and making the PTB angry beyond belief :


In a video message from president-elect Donald Trump, he has announced that his transition team is putting together a list of executive actions for his very first day as president -- including withdrawing the United States from the Trans Pacific Partnership.


If Trump keeps this up and delivers, I think he rightfully might become a very popular president.
 
bjorn said:
PhoenixToEmber said:
Have y'all seen this? _http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/richard-spencer-speech-npi/508379/

I know this doesn't represent the majority of Trump supporters, but man are these people scary.

It's scary and exactly what the 'Liberal' media needs to paint him as the new Fuhrer and get this 'color revolution' against 'racism' going.


Trump doesn't want anything to do with these hatefull bunch of people.

Here he stares down a KKK follower (Propably set up by the Clinton campaign to smear Trump) and awaits while this guy get's removed.



Trump needs to address this correctly, because the 'racist' card will be used against him in the coming coup. OSIT.

Seeing this video, I understand why some people are attracted to him. He's a real showman. About the racist part, well lots of people, myself included genuinely consider him racist. Besides, lots of people that he appointed/ involved with him did say racist thing or at least used dog whistle language pregnant with racial prejudice. If you go on Twitter, lots of black people and other POC are truly frightened of him. Perhaps, hopefully I (we) will be proved wrong in the coming months. The other side of the problem is that even if Trump and co don't actually target minority. A lot of white nationals most likely will because they feel it to be their prerogative thanks to the new administration.

By the way, I don't think that Hillary and all the other democrats are any less racist than Trump it's just that they keep their real opinion for the tea time with their friends.

To be honest, I'm a bit confused about Trump. On one hand, I'm truly horrified but on the other, Hillary is/was truly a criminal. Besides, I find it beyond scary that someone with dementia could have been the US president. Am I the only one feeling that way? The thing with Trump is that I don't believe he's as anti-establishment as he pretend. And even if he was, I'm not sure he's smart enough a la Putin to outmanever the PTB. Obviously, I hope all my misguivings are proved wrong.
 
bjorn said:
No populist talk, just Trump getting down to business and making the PTB angry beyond belief :

Just saw the following. :lol:

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DianaRose94 said:
Seeing this video, I understand why some people are attracted to him. He's a real showman. About the racist part, well lots of people, myself included genuinely consider him racist. Besides, lots of people that he appointed/ involved with him did say racist thing or at least used dog whistle language pregnant with racial prejudice. If you go on Twitter, lots of black people and other POC are truly frightened of him. Perhaps, hopefully I (we) will be proved wrong in the coming months. The other side of the problem is that even if Trump and co don't actually target minority. A lot of white nationals most likely will because they feel it to be their prerogative thanks to the new administration.

By the way, I don't think that Hillary and all the other democrats are any less racist than Trump it's just that they keep their real opinion for the tea time with their friends.

To be honest, I'm a bit confused about Trump. On one hand, I'm truly horrified but on the other, Hillary is/was truly a criminal. Besides, I find it beyond scary that someone with dementia could have been the US president. Am I the only one feeling that way? The thing with Trump is that I don't believe he's as anti-establishment as he pretend. And even if he was, I'm not sure he's smart enough a la Putin to outmanever the PTB. Obviously, I hope all my misguivings are proved wrong.

Fwiw, if you haven't seen this article already DianaRose it's worth reading, it's a woman's direct experience with the Trump family, she's his employee and also happens to be black so it gives a different perspective to this whole idea that Trump is a racist, Black female Trump exec - 'I can no longer remain silent' (video)

This is the letter written and read by Lynne Patton:
 
[quote author= DianaRose94]Seeing this video, I understand why some people are attracted to him. He's a real showman. About the racist part, well lots of people, myself included genuinely consider him racist. Besides, lots of people that he appointed/ involved with him did say racist thing or at least used dog whistle language pregnant with racial prejudice. If you go on Twitter, lots of black people and other POC are truly frightened of him.[/quote]

Trump has said insensitive things. He might have some prejudices but a real racist is someone who sincerely hate others who are different. That is a huge gap in difference. I think Trump just sees the US as a failed business and wants to get it working again.

Trump can indeed act like a populists and those are usually not the kind of people you want in power. But in this case I think Trump just applies this tactic because it sells good.


The things he said about Israel and Iran according to the C's where done so because you can't get in power unless you stay 'friendly' with the right people. I think that's also why Trump said that he wants to increase military spending. Without the support of the military industrial complex you won't last very long.

Maybe he will stay 'friendly' with them, or maybe Trump has enough timing and forbearance to drain the swamp and strike back. I don't know, but it is exciting to witness.


- btw, Trump is nothing compared to the populists in Europe. Some of them just outright want to ban and criminalize Islam. And they are popular enough to get in power with the upcoming elections.
 
bjorn said:
- btw, Trump is nothing compared to the populists in Europe. Some of them just outright want to ban and criminalize Islam. And they are popular enough to get in power with the upcoming elections.

Islam context in europe is VERY different than the one in USA... especially in France...
 
There's an interesting Reddit thread (one of the [Serious] labeled ones), asking people to post about their real-life interactions with Mr. Trump. Working my way through it, but the tenor of the anecdotes is... that he seems a pretty decent sort. For what that's worth. Anecdotal, but some interesting data points nonetheless.

_https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/5d8zop/serious_people_who_have_met_or_dealt_with_donald/_
 
sedenion said:
bjorn said:
- btw, Trump is nothing compared to the populists in Europe. Some of them just outright want to ban and criminalize Islam. And they are popular enough to get in power with the upcoming elections.

Islam context in europe is VERY different than the one in USA... especially in France...

Implying it's all radical dominated and justifying criminalizing those who practise Islam...
 
It's certainly an interesting time we're witnessing with everything having been stood on its head. Issues of equality and human rights, etc., have for a long time been used to deflect from the darker agendas of the Neo Liberals especially.

.. all told, a rigorous and discerning evaluation on all our parts is necessary if we are to learn what these emerging figures headed for Washington think they can advance in their toppling of the existing political order -- if, in fact, it's indicative of something other than what is already being stated in the media.

.. and, of course.. in the midst of such deliberations.. one can't help but wish that Trump was a deeper person than we already believe him to be.

Having said that, more than the ideology of Trump's political appointments thus far, Trump might well be looking for really tough customers who revile the existing order and can stay in the fight, as it were. Certainly, this deserves more introspection than the knee jerk Hillary supporting Neo Liberal vantage, which (as we all know) media wise, is bought and paid for.

.. so.. it's hard to say what's going to emerge. When I saw the first debate Trump's emphasis on Law and Order made me think he was going to install a police state.. Marshall Law, etc.

... on the other hand, vetting immigrants -- i.e. that portion of the Muslim community hailing from countries associated with terrorism.. (i.e., as per the shadow government's covert fomenting of terrorism).. isn't unreasonable, even if the media seek to characterize it as racist.

What we do know is that the media's focus on the "surface" of Trump is a form of looking away from what he might actually be capable of, especially in this moment of radical change that's seemingly in our midst.

So, it's a balancing act we perform in trying to come to terms with all these contradictions. Perhaps the same balancing act Trump himself is confronted with.

You know, it would almost be a new form of irony if we were, in fact, headed for the type of fascism that the co-opted media are all ranting about.

.. then again.. (as per mention of a coup on this thread).. seizing power (such as Erdogan has done) could happen as a preemptive measure, and not solely as a power grab, or as a rise to fascism.

.. but, you know, popular perception is a tough nut to crack. Can you imagine standing on a street corner in the midst of absolute chaos trying to "explain" to people that Trump actually needed to, you know, become a dictator since--

(I think you get the idea)

.. with things being what they are, there's not a very good place to stand.
 
bjorn said:
Implying it's all radical dominated and justifying criminalizing those who practise Islam...

Another long & complex subject... not suited for this topic. Clue: islam in europe act as colonial force and 5th column, the "no-go zones" exists, etc, with governement complicity. So yes, there is a problem in europe... which can lead to civil war in some country (france included particularly). Europe faces to a problem that USA does not know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5qljkUzzIY
 
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