Donald Trump wins 2016 US presidential election

[goyacobol]

I agree Soros has tried to assume the visibility of a "fly". I was trying to get people to see his real "size" and realize he is definitely "in the room". Pointing that out doesn't work for everyone I guess. :/
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I think that probably "cosmic" events will be the final less subtle images that are needed. One vote yea and 3 nay I guess. Subtlety is not for many I suppose.

Why do you keep writing these paramoralistically suggestive remarks about how subtle you were being and that others didn't get it? There was nothing subtle about the image at all, it was just wrong.

Subtle: So slight as to be difficult to detect or describe; elusive: a subtle smile; hard to notice or see : not obvious; clever and indirect : not showing your real purpose.

"Subtle" in no way applies to your image.

Sorry, I'm wrong. Thank you.

 

[sedenion]

We here also understand that ultimately the 'control' comes from a higher level of reality which can be best described as Fourth Density Service to Self individuals and groups. These entities have controlled and influenced humanity for a tremendously long time now.

I use the "paranormal hypothesis" only when all others hypothesis fails to explain a phenomenon, especially in (geo)politics and social phenomenons...

 

[Laura]

As interesting as it all is to observe, I keep remembering my first instinctive reaction to Trump posted early in this thread. That was, of course, based only on MSM propaganda. But still...

We could very well be heading into a Hitler re-run with the USA as the Fourth Reich. That only means a period of niceness followed by horror. With Hillary, we prolly would have faced atomic bombs all over the place from Russia PDQ.

Basically, I see it as just buying some time, but I really do NOT think anything is going to get a lot better. I think Trump may TRY... but "there is no 'try', there is just 'do'".

But at least he isn't a pedophile cannibal.

 

[Cosmos]

Here is Alex Jones latest take on the situation:

_https://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJonesChannel?gl=DE&hl=de

I hate to say it, but he seems to have a point there, or so it seems.

PS: Interesting that Jones claims that Trump speaks with Jones on the phone regularly. I dunno what to make of that.

 

[Richs]

We here also understand that ultimately the 'control' comes from a higher level of reality which can be best described as Fourth Density Service to Self individuals and groups. These entities have controlled and influenced humanity for a tremendously long time now.

I use the "paranormal hypothesis" only when all others hypothesis fails to explain a phenomenon, especially in (geo)politics and social phenomenons...

You asked:

Question is : Who makes these people stupids, and how ? (the medias, yes, this is a part of the answer)

Since you asked these questions it is very likely you do not have any hypothesis which can answer these things which are merely a subset of all the other human actions and reactions which have bedeviled humanity for as long as we are aware.

For any hypothesis to be valid it would necessitate that it explains ALL of the phenomena which are observed. What I have explained to you, which has been intensively researched for many years here is the only hypothesis which appears to answer all of these things which can be observed regarding the activities of people and of events here on Earth.

Yes, we have received quite a bit of info from the Cassiopaeans, but this is only about 10 percent of what we think and why. The other 90 percent is the result of much intensive research, the acquisition of data and the difficult task of using intelligence and objectivity in interpreting what all this information actually tells us.

You are certainly free (as everyone is) to decide for yourself if this information and conclusion is correct or not. However, it is incumbent upon anyone disputing a hypothesis to provide an alternative which explains the data better than the current one,which appears to satisfy the explanation of the data pretty well.

We here understand that it is very difficult for many people to accept that they are not the 'masters of the universe' and that there might actually be beings at a higher level of existence who just may have objectives which are not exactly the same as we may have for ourselves.

If you possess an alternative explanation for everything which occurs for humanity we would certainly give it due consideration and if viable would change our ideas accordingly. If not, we will continue to think our hypothesis is most likely the best explanation for why our reality is the way it is.

edited: clarity

 

[Niall]

Observing the way people are reacting to Trump's victory is another one of those good "litmus tests", to see how aware they are of things. It's pretty predictable, that most people I know condemn Trump without blinking, but in some cases I'm surprised that someone I thought to be pretty open minded is behaving almost aggressively.

One that surprised me the most is Eric Draitser from 'stop imperialism'. He is posting anti-Trump messages on FB, in a quite agressive tone. I previously considered him being one those "rising stars" among dissidents. But right now I'm not so sure he has enough awareness to see the whole naked truth. Or, he might be a "double agent", who knows. He might be just making a miscalculation, but his know-it-all attitude really bugs me.

Yes, I clicked unfollow on his feed a few hours ago.

That's what ideology will do to an otherwise informed person; make him or her blind (in some respects at least). Draitser has described himself in the past as a communist of some stripe or another.

 

[sedenion]

Since you asked these questions it is very likely you do not have any hypothesis which can answer these things which are merely a subset of all the other human actions and reactions which have bedeviled humanity for as long as we are aware.

This is what is called a rhetorical question. I have answers of my question for my own country (France). For USA, i can only answer by some deductions, since i don't know the USA enough to give you an exhaustive answer. Medias is a part of the answer (pretty obvious), there is also education (school), and finaly, the whole cultural environment in the history.

For any hypothesis to be valid it would necessitate that it explains ALL of the phenomena which are observed. What I have explained to you, which has been intensively researched for many years here is the only hypothesis which appears to answer all of these things which can be observed regarding the activities of people and of events here on Earth.

If you stop the investigation and understanding by concluding that "leftists" are "negatively oriented by 4th density", you are missing many things... I hope for you this is not what you do.

We here understand that it is very difficult for many people to accept that they are not the 'masters of the universe' and that there might actually be beings at a higher level of existence who just may have objectives which are not exactly the same as we may have for ourselves.

I think, before "higher level of existence", we can studie what is, the FED, the CFR, the Bilderberg, the banks, etc... how they works, their manipulation technics, what is their projects, etc... after, if some "reptilian aliens" are helping these people to achieve their plan, this is, finaly, a secondary question.The "man behind the curtain" (since this picture is familiar in this forum), is NOT magician... he use some practical techniques that can be explained, then "debunked", you already know the most obvious part of these techniques, roughly identified as "propaganda": disinformation, opinion building, story telling, Psyop, etc...

If you possess an alternative explanation for everything which occurs for humanity we would certainly give it due consideration and if viable would change our ideas accordingly. If not, we will continue to think our hypothesis is most likely the best explanation for why our reality is the way it is.

Obviously, i can't give you a so simple and unic explanation than "This is because of the 4th density devils"... The world, the humanity and its history, are a bit more complexe and can't be reducted to one cause alone. Maybe, some aliens are a part of the problem.... a part.

PS: Another way to adress the problem is: Imagine somebody throwned you in a well, call this guy "4th density STS devils", once you are at the bottom of the well, you know that who throwned you in, is "4th density STS devils"... and, so what ? Are you now advanced with this information ? no... you maybe have someone to blame, but you still at the bottom of the well... to get ou from the well, you will need some other informations.

 

[Mark]

As interesting as it all is to observe, I keep remembering my first instinctive reaction to Trump posted early in this thread. That was, of course, based only on MSM propaganda. But still...

We could very well be heading into a Hitler re-run with the USA as the Fourth Reich. That only means a period of niceness followed by horror. With Hillary, we prolly would have faced atomic bombs all over the place from Russia PDQ.

Basically, I see it as just buying some time, but I really do NOT think anything is going to get a lot better. I think Trump may TRY... but "there is no 'try', there is just 'do'".

But at least he isn't a pedophile cannibal.

Thinking this over I remembered the book, Defying Hitler. Just wanted to point it out, how insightful it is to have that historical point of view from someone who lived it and wrote about it day to day from wherever he was at any given time.

 

[sbeaudry]

As interesting as it all is to observe, I keep remembering my first instinctive reaction to Trump posted early in this thread. That was, of course, based only on MSM propaganda. But still...

We could very well be heading into a Hitler re-run with the USA as the Fourth Reich. That only means a period of niceness followed by horror. With Hillary, we prolly would have faced atomic bombs all over the place from Russia PDQ.

Basically, I see it as just buying some time, but I really do NOT think anything is going to get a lot better. I think Trump may TRY... but "there is no 'try', there is just 'do'".

But at least he isn't a pedophile cannibal.

Well, even if he just tries, that's something. Probably not many in that position have even tried in the last few decades. If he can roll back some of Obama's choices, Trump's can be rolled back once they get him out. But if people get a glimpse of the man behind the curtain and a message of hope goes to the rest of the world to break with empire, it'd be worth it. I hope it doesn't go all 4th reich though. Maybe part of the miscalculation was that that road has less chance of success now? A lowered probability is a glimmer of hope, even if it just buys time for more people to wake up and pulls back the curtain a bit farther for more to see.

 

[herondancer]

As interesting as it all is to observe, I keep remembering my first instinctive reaction to Trump posted early in this thread. That was, of course, based only on MSM propaganda. But still...

We could very well be heading into a Hitler re-run with the USA as the Fourth Reich. That only means a period of niceness followed by horror. With Hillary, we prolly would have faced atomic bombs all over the place from Russia PDQ.

Basically, I see it as just buying some time, but I really do NOT think anything is going to get a lot better. I think Trump may TRY... but "there is no 'try', there is just 'do'".

But at least he isn't a pedophile cannibal.

The similarity to the way Germany developed struck me with this article

Ringside with Steve Bannon at Trump Tower as the President-elect's strategist plots 'an entirely new political movement'

It's all about Bannon sharing Trump's goal to upend the Establishment and bring prosperity to the working man again etc. But the parallel to Hitler struck me here:

"Like [Andrew] Jackson's populism, we're going to build an entirely new political movement," he says. "It's everything related to jobs. The conservatives are going to go crazy. I'm the guy pushing a trillion-dollar infrastructure plan. With negative interest rates throughout the world, it's the greatest opportunity to rebuild everything. Ship yards, iron works, get them all jacked up. We're just going to throw it up against the wall and see if it sticks. It will be as exciting as the 1930s, greater than the Reagan revolution — conservatives, plus populists, in an economic nationalist movement."

[...]

It is less than obvious how Bannon, now the official strategic brains of the Trump operation, syncs with his boss, famously not too strategic. When Bannon took over the campaign from Paul Manafort, there were many in the Trump circle who had resigned themselves to the inevitability of the candidate listening to no one. But here too was a Bannon insight: When the campaign seemed most in free fall or disarray, it was perhaps most on target. While Clinton was largely absent from the campaign trail and concentrating on courting her donors, Trump — even after the leak of the grab-them-by-the-pussy audio — was speaking to ever-growing crowds of 35,000 or 40,000. "He gets it; he gets it intuitively," says Bannon, perhaps still surprised he has found such an ideal vessel.

So who really the driving force here? Maybe behind it all, Trump really is only a charismatic mouthpiece for others who have given shape to his initially vague plans, and may take them in directions that will ultimately be destructive, just as Germany's prosperity through the '30s gave way to world war.

It may be judging harshly, since Trump's been pretty consistent in his views over the years, but the parallel between the two situations did jump out.

 

[angelburst29]

As interesting as it all is to observe, I keep remembering my first instinctive reaction to Trump posted early in this thread. That was, of course, based only on MSM propaganda. But still...

We could very well be heading into a Hitler re-run with the USA as the Fourth Reich. That only means a period of niceness followed by horror. With Hillary, we prolly would have faced atomic bombs all over the place from Russia PDQ.

Basically, I see it as just buying some time, but I really do NOT think anything is going to get a lot better. I think Trump may TRY... but "there is no 'try', there is just 'do'".

But at least he isn't a pedophile cannibal.

I can agree on that bolded statement. Trump's win may have diverted or stagnated a Nuclear confrontation planned by Clinton and the War Hawks but there are already powerful forces in play, that have been building momentum - probably since WW2, which still have to play themselves out.

If I'm understanding the information in this article correctly, Trump would have to follow the steps Putin and Russia have undertaken, referred to as the “Third Way” just to start resolving the major issues in finances and the economy and that's not even taking in the problems of the Pentagon and the Military Industrial Complex and International disputes. It has taken Putin and Russia 15 years just to get where they are now.

American Dream Metamorphosis: The Fourth Fascist Reich Plan
http://journal-neo.org/2016/11/09/american-dream-metamorphosis-the-fourth-fascist-reich-plan/

An extract from the article: 09.11.2016

It was Schmitz who vested his wealth in Rockefeller’s Standard Oil, equaling the American industrialist’s stake in the company at one point. In this fact, and in this relationship, we find the key to deciphering today’s ongoing economic and societal chaos. Whether or not Nazis like Bormann escaped Hitler’s bunker in 1945, it is a certainty the economic and idealistic goals of National Socialism survived and thrived, not only in Germany, but especially in the United States. The influence of investment, and of key Nazi leadership as well as the economic structures of Nazism can be easily seen in the ultra-liberalism in America today.
Furthermore, the idea of “Social Darwinism”, or the elevation of “superior” ideas and individuals, it permeates the American social psyche. For all the talk of equality in my country, the reality is a society of conformation to these “Fourth Reich” concepts. In my forthcoming articles I will discuss the people and systems which fostered this state of affairs, but for now it is important to grasp the notion Nazi Germany was really a worldwide (globalization) in the first place.

Looking at the United States, Britain and the EU today, it’s easy to see western industrialists like George Soros, and various NGOs like his Open Society Foundations and others, have for years been bending societies in Eastern Europe and around the world, in order to extend the hegemony (Reich). Organizations like the International Crisis Group and myriad political (Neo-cons), financial (IMF), educational (Free Exchange Campus), and media institutions (NewsCorp) form a basic institution of the new fascism. As we saw with the Obama administration’s Wall Street bailout, profit is private, while the burden of financial loss is as was described by the Italian anti-fascist politician Gaetano Salvemini in the 1930s. This key figure in the ideological class struggle of humanity, has been virtually forgotten. However, his so-called “Third Way” theories and ideas have resurfaced (so ironically) from the re-emergence of Russia, and from the administration of one Vladimir Putin. Salvemini advocated a third way for government and society in between Communists and Christian Democracy for post-war Italy, now Putin is the champion for modern Russia. This sets the stage for today’s west-east conflict. The drama is an old one though.

In a forthcoming article I will discuss in more detail where this Fourth Reich has led us. Through analysis of documents, such as the ones associated with the German term Neuordnung, or “New Order,” the framework of this Fourth Reich, the importance of Germany’s place in it, and how neo-fascism is working to first deconstruct, then reconstruct societies in the US and elsewhere.

 

[JGeropoulas]

I just came across this article about Putin in a promotional copy of “Esquire” mailed to me. Of course, this magazine, like most others, is just another vehicle for spinning the “news” (aptly demonstrated by their listing of “Black Lives Matter” under “the best of times”, and Trump’s win under “the “worst of times”). Nevertheless, I enjoyed reading about Putin sparring with the media about allegations of Russian hacking.

Below, I’ve printed just the parts related to Putin. The bulk of the article describes the technical details of the electronic “evidence” linking the hacking to Russia. I got lost in all that, so maybe some of you computer experts out there can comment on the credibility of it all.

I’m with Putin, who says below, "Everyone is talking about who did it. Is it so important?...(compared to hacked evidence of) "the manipulation of public opinion."

How Russia Pulled Off the Biggest Election Hack in U.S. History
Esquire
January, 2017

On an April afternoon earlier this year, Russian president Vladimir Putin headlined a gathering of some four hundred journalists, bloggers, and media executives in St. Petersburg. Dressed in a sleek navy suit, Putin looked relaxed, even comfortable, as he took questions. About an hour into the forum, a young blogger in a navy zip sweater took the microphone and asked Putin what he thought of the "so-called Panama Papers."
…
When Putin heard the blogger's question, his face lit up with a familiar smirk. He nodded slowly and confidently before reciting a litany of humiliations that the United States had inflicted on Russia. Putin reminded his audience about the sidelining of Russia during the 1998 war in Kosovo and what he saw as American meddling in Ukraine more recently. Returning to the Panama Papers, Putin cited WikiLeaks to insist that "officials and state agencies in the United States are behind all this." The Americans' aim, he said, was to weaken Russia from within: "to spread distrust for the ruling authorities and the bodies of power within society."

Though a narrow interpretation of Putin's accusation was defensible—as WikiLeaks had pointed out, one of the members of the Panama Papers consortium had received financial support from USAID, a federal agency—his swaggering assurance about America's activities has a more plausible explanation: Putin's own government had been preparing a vast, covert, and unprecedented campaign of political sabotage against the United States and its allies for more than a year.
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One of the first American targets of kompromat was Victoria Nuland, who served as the top U. S. diplomat for Europe during Obama's second term. In February 2014, at the peak of the crisis in Ukraine, Nuland was surreptitiously recorded while speaking on the phone with the U. S. ambassador to Kiev. Frustrated with Europe's lackluster response to the Ukrainian crisis, Nuland said, "F___ the EU." Shortly after, an aide to the Russian deputy prime minister tweeted a link to a recording of the intercepted phone call. The State Department called the leak "a new low in Russian tradecraft."
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Some intelligence analysts believe that the Shadow Brokers' publication of the NSA spy kit was a message from one group of professionals to another. "You see us?" the Russians seemed to be saying, perhaps in reference to ongoing U. S. efforts to investigate the DNC breach. "Fine, but we see you, too." Similarly, the announcement of an auction—all but certainly phony—was probably intended as a warning that the hackers were prepared to publish a key that would unlock an encrypted container holding a second batch of stolen tools. Like a severed ear in an envelope, the announcement told the Americans: Don't mess with us.
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On October 12, Putin appeared at another forum, this time with more than five hundred guests in Moscow. Sitting comfortably in front of a giant banner that said “Russia calling!” he answered an audience question about the hacks. "Everyone is talking about who did it," Putin said. "Is it so important?"

The former KGB officer, proving his full command of U. S. political intrigue, suggested that the Democrats had "supported one intraparty candidate at the expense of the other." Any talk of the hacks being in Russia's interest, he said, was "hysteria" intended to distract Americans from what the hackers discovered: "the manipulation of public opinion." When the audience applauded, a smirk returned to Putin's face. "I think I answered your question," he said.

Full article here: _http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a49791/russian-dnc-emails-hacked/

 

[Ruth]

Jeez! She must have fired her make-up artist and hairdresser?

The face of defeat: A weary-looking Hillary Clinton makes her first appearance since her concession
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3944234/Hillary-hiding-Clinton-says-wasn-t-easiest-thing-children-s-gala-disappointing-defeat-considered-never-leaving-house-again.html

Maybe the make-up artist and hairdresser quit once she lost the election. I've heard she's not easy on her servants. ;)

Saw some of this speech from CSPAN. Killary truly looked awful. Like she just came off a week-long bender. Funny how she's looking more and more like her mentor George Soros.

I too wondered why Killary and her handlers didn't hire new stylists if the regular ones were unavailable. Then I thought maybe she wants people to feel sorry for her and this mask, or lack thereof, might gain sympathy from her supporters. A far cry from the beaming Killary meets momma and baby in woods while walking her dog shortly after the election. Did they use her known double for that into the woods pic? Or lots of photoshop?

Probably only so much you can do if the 'reports' are true and she went on a bender, had to be physically restrained from assaulting members of her staff (one of whom was John Podesta; the other her campaign manager, Robby Mook).
http://patriotupdate.com/breaking-hillary-drunkenly-assaulted-podesta-election-night/

Maybe not a week long bender (maybe), but definitely a day long one. That's why she wasn't seen until the next day and obviously feeling hung over too. It's interesting to note that CNN didn't report it and has effectively banned any mention of anything that occurred.

I'm not sure about the 'Killary meeting momma and baby in the woods thing'. Perhaps that was done prior, in anticipation of a win? When she was sober. They could trot it out after, and pretend that everything was ok.

 

[Ruth]

The similarity to the way Germany developed struck me with this article

Ringside with Steve Bannon at Trump Tower as the President-elect's strategist plots 'an entirely new political movement'

It's all about Bannon sharing Trump's goal to upend the Establishment and bring prosperity to the working man again etc. But the parallel to Hitler struck me here:

"Like [Andrew] Jackson's populism, we're going to build an entirely new political movement," he says. "It's everything related to jobs. The conservatives are going to go crazy. I'm the guy pushing a trillion-dollar infrastructure plan. With negative interest rates throughout the world, it's the greatest opportunity to rebuild everything. Ship yards, iron works, get them all jacked up. We're just going to throw it up against the wall and see if it sticks. It will be as exciting as the 1930s, greater than the Reagan revolution — conservatives, plus populists, in an economic nationalist movement."

Very interesting indeed. But any parallels in future direction and similarities with Nazi Germany may come down more, to the psychology of the individual,( i.e. Hitler, Trump and Clinton) than the economic or political strategies or words used at the time. Also Bannon's words are his and he may be blowing his own trumpet as well.

So much depends on the psychology of the individual. I think the question needs to be asked "Do, or did any of these people respect the rights of the individual 'common man'?" Hitler didn't, Clinton, I think we can see. Trump? Well, he may, if we don't believe mainstream media too much. But as yet, he is an unknown factor. He also has an awful lot of "swamp" to navigate.

 

[lilies]

[..]
We could very well be heading into a Hitler re-run with the USA as the Fourth Reich. That only means a period of niceness followed by horror. With Hillary, we prolly would have faced atomic bombs all over the place from Russia PDQ.
[..]

When events turned and everybody tried to explain the election results I had a similar hunch:
- Calm with Trump creating jobs and building a wall, building a big military, then going Hitler.

That future-scenario __again__ is another place, where I don't want to go and possibly I'm not alone, so people, who want a nicer world might navigate consciously and unconsciously toward making choices - at critical junctions in the timeline - that will result in the whole tribe ending up in a better, mitigated version of "Trump-going-Hitler" timeline branch. Or just skillfully avoiding that all-together and ending up in a "Trump-becoming-a-Little-Putin" timeline.

Looking at the history - say from 1900 (A.D.) - and consequences this group experienced, there were chances that Hitler and his cronies get assassinated, attempts were made by rebel groups. It is possible that the worst-case "Trump-goes-Hitler"-scenario will derail by these types of small attempts succeeding: could be anything, a people-power media event, a successful neighborhood watch movement gaining lot of traction pulling the flow of history elsewhere, where we experience a little bit better reality, than the worst case scenario we were consciously wanting to avoid.

This new reality - the 'No-Hillary'-one we are in now - seems to be acceptable enough for a lessons-learning environment that also gives us better tools and energy and power to build a better world. By successfully navigating these timelines we might be creating that New World. Little by little.