Donald Trump wins 2016 US presidential election

Just yesterday we noted that Jill Stein was acting on behalf of Hillary Clinton to raise money for recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. As we noted then, we continue to be astonished by the amount of money flowing into the fundraising campaign and would love to see which of Hillary's mega donors have spent the most on the effort...somehow we suspect this isn't just a "grassroots organizing" effort as Stein described it.

The Mysterious Case Of Jill Stein's Surging Recount Costs
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-25/mysterious-case-jill-steins-surging-recount-costs

Friday Nov. 25, 2016 - So, in less than 1 day, Jill Stein raised over $3mm, which is more than the $2mm needed to force a recount in Wisconsin. While she attributed the accomplishment to "the power of grassroots organizing," we would tend to be a little more skeptical and would love to see exactly where those donations came from. Then again, maybe we're wrong and there really are just that many disaffected snowflakes out there willing to blow their money on an extreme long shot.

But, today a new mystery has emerged in Stein's fundraising efforts. Apparently, the more money she raises the more expensive the recount effort becomes. Courtesy of the Wayback Machine we have the following snapshots from her fundraising page over the past couple of days:

November 24, 2016 at 3:46AM - In the beginning, Stein figured she needed a total of $2.5mm to fund her recount efforts. That figure included $2.2mm for the actual filing fees and presumably another $0.3mm for legal fees and other costs. (snapshot)

November 24, 2016 at 1:20PM - Then, just 12 hours later, after the cash just kept flowing in, Stein figured she needed at least another $2mm as her fundraising goal was raised to $4.5mm in total. Of course, the filing fees of $2.2mm didn't change but the "attorney's fees" apparently surged by about 300% and the total costs of the effort skyrocketed to $6-7mm. (snapshot)

November 25, 2016 at 6:11AM - Now, just this morning as Stein approaches $5mm in total donations, her overall fundraising goal has surged once again and now stands at $7mm. (snapshot)

So, with nearly $5mm raised so far, the question is no longer whether recounts will occur in WI, MI and PA but just how much Jill Stein will be able to drain from the pockets of disaffected Hillary supporters to fund her long-shot efforts.

All that said, here is Jill Stein admitting to CNN that she has absolutely no evidence of election hacking....even though she asks that you please keep sending your money anyway. (video)

And another where she says she would have challenged the election result even if Hillary won...though somehow we suspect she wouldn't have been able to raise quite so much money under that scenario. (video)


The fundraising effort sought to collect at least $2.2 million, which Stein’s campaign said would be enough to pay for costs associated with filing for recounts. It sought to raise the money by 4 p.m. central time Friday, or one hour before the deadline to request a recount in Wisconsin, which has the earliest deadline of the three states.

Stein raises $2.3 million for recount requests in three key states
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/11/23/jill-stein-seeks-recount-wisconsin-michigan-and-pennsylvania/gmziuhamGOjDgYitbQpWSJ/story.html

Wed. Nov. 23, 2016 - As of about 1:30 a.m. Thursday — just several hours after the announcement — it had raised more than $2.36 million, according to a regularly-updating tally on the fundraising website.

The fundraising website said that the state-level Green Parties in Massachusetts and Ohio were also accepting contributions “to kickstart the recount initiative.”

The effort by Stein, of Lexington, Mass., comes after a report Tuesday evening by New York magazine that said that a group of activists, including computer scientists and election lawyers, were urging Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton to call for a recount in those same three states.


On Wednesday afternoon, near the start of one of the year's final news droughts, former Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein announced a new campaign: to pay for recounts in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. The news went first to the journalist Greg Palast, then on Stein's Facebook page, then in an interview with the Russian propaganda channel RT.

Why are people giving Jill Stein millions of dollars for an election recount?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/11/24/why-are-people-giving-jill-stein-millions-of-dollars-for-an-election-recount/

Thurs. Nov. 24, 2016 - “This has been a hack-riddled election,” Stein explained. “We have voting machines that are extremely hack-friendly in an election that's been very contentious.”

Stein's fundraising goal was $2.5 million — and donors blew right past it. At that point, as New York magazine first reported, the goal spiked to $4.5 million, and new language on the donation page admitted that costs could rise higher. “The costs associated with recounts are a function of state law,” wrote the Stein campaign. “Attorney's fees are likely to be another $2-3 million, then there are the costs of the statewide recount observers in all three states. The total cost is likely to be $6-7 million.”

It's a lot of money, especially for the Green Party. Stein's 2016 campaign, the party's most electorally potent since 2000, took in $3,509,477 from donors. As of Thursday afternoon, the recount effort had raised $3,875,502. It's the largest donation drive for a third party in history — so what's actually going on?
 
angelburst29 said:
Just yesterday we noted that Jill Stein was acting on behalf of Hillary Clinton to raise money for recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. As we noted then, we continue to be astonished by the amount of money flowing into the fundraising campaign and would love to see which of Hillary's mega donors have spent the most on the effort...somehow we suspect this isn't just a "grassroots organizing" effort as Stein described it.

The Mysterious Case Of Jill Stein's Surging Recount Costs
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-25/mysterious-case-jill-steins-surging-recount-costs

Friday Nov. 25, 2016 - So, in less than 1 day, Jill Stein raised over $3mm, which is more than the $2mm needed to force a recount in Wisconsin. While she attributed the accomplishment to "the power of grassroots organizing," we would tend to be a little more skeptical and would love to see exactly where those donations came from. Then again, maybe we're wrong and there really are just that many disaffected snowflakes out there willing to blow their money on an extreme long shot.

But, today a new mystery has emerged in Stein's fundraising efforts. Apparently, the more money she raises the more expensive the recount effort becomes. Courtesy of the Wayback Machine we have the following snapshots from her fundraising page over the past couple of days:

November 24, 2016 at 3:46AM - In the beginning, Stein figured she needed a total of $2.5mm to fund her recount efforts. That figure included $2.2mm for the actual filing fees and presumably another $0.3mm for legal fees and other costs. (snapshot)

November 24, 2016 at 1:20PM - Then, just 12 hours later, after the cash just kept flowing in, Stein figured she needed at least another $2mm as her fundraising goal was raised to $4.5mm in total. Of course, the filing fees of $2.2mm didn't change but the "attorney's fees" apparently surged by about 300% and the total costs of the effort skyrocketed to $6-7mm. (snapshot)

November 25, 2016 at 6:11AM - Now, just this morning as Stein approaches $5mm in total donations, her overall fundraising goal has surged once again and now stands at $7mm. (snapshot)

So, with nearly $5mm raised so far, the question is no longer whether recounts will occur in WI, MI and PA but just how much Jill Stein will be able to drain from the pockets of disaffected Hillary supporters to fund her long-shot efforts.

All that said, here is Jill Stein admitting to CNN that she has absolutely no evidence of election hacking....even though she asks that you please keep sending your money anyway. (video)

And another where she says she would have challenged the election result even if Hillary won...though somehow we suspect she wouldn't have been able to raise quite so much money under that scenario. (video)


The fundraising effort sought to collect at least $2.2 million, which Stein’s campaign said would be enough to pay for costs associated with filing for recounts. It sought to raise the money by 4 p.m. central time Friday, or one hour before the deadline to request a recount in Wisconsin, which has the earliest deadline of the three states.

Stein raises $2.3 million for recount requests in three key states
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/11/23/jill-stein-seeks-recount-wisconsin-michigan-and-pennsylvania/gmziuhamGOjDgYitbQpWSJ/story.html

Wed. Nov. 23, 2016 - As of about 1:30 a.m. Thursday — just several hours after the announcement — it had raised more than $2.36 million, according to a regularly-updating tally on the fundraising website.

The fundraising website said that the state-level Green Parties in Massachusetts and Ohio were also accepting contributions “to kickstart the recount initiative.”

The effort by Stein, of Lexington, Mass., comes after a report Tuesday evening by New York magazine that said that a group of activists, including computer scientists and election lawyers, were urging Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton to call for a recount in those same three states.


On Wednesday afternoon, near the start of one of the year's final news droughts, former Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein announced a new campaign: to pay for recounts in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. The news went first to the journalist Greg Palast, then on Stein's Facebook page, then in an interview with the Russian propaganda channel RT.

Why are people giving Jill Stein millions of dollars for an election recount?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/11/24/why-are-people-giving-jill-stein-millions-of-dollars-for-an-election-recount/

Thurs. Nov. 24, 2016 - “This has been a hack-riddled election,” Stein explained. “We have voting machines that are extremely hack-friendly in an election that's been very contentious.”

Stein's fundraising goal was $2.5 million — and donors blew right past it. At that point, as New York magazine first reported, the goal spiked to $4.5 million, and new language on the donation page admitted that costs could rise higher. “The costs associated with recounts are a function of state law,” wrote the Stein campaign. “Attorney's fees are likely to be another $2-3 million, then there are the costs of the statewide recount observers in all three states. The total cost is likely to be $6-7 million.”

It's a lot of money, especially for the Green Party. Stein's 2016 campaign, the party's most electorally potent since 2000, took in $3,509,477 from donors. As of Thursday afternoon, the recount effort had raised $3,875,502. It's the largest donation drive for a third party in history — so what's actually going on?
Will Jill's recount expose the man behind the curtain? This is curious...
 
What if Trump is donating money for that recount? If that means counting the votes again, and if he suspects that something was really rigged, why not count the votes again. At least at the level of those three states. It also depends where, at what level, votes were rigged.
 
I'd be pretty surprised if Jill was in Hillary's pocket; I think this is a "power play" by Stein to build the Green Party's credibility as a viable alternative to the establishment parties. The democrats are in disarray, and Hillary's corruption has caused a bit of internal strife; they aren't all hopelessly brainwashed snowflakes. That leaves Bernie as the last bastion for so-called leftists to rally under, and he is revealing himself to not be worth much. To borrow a crass expression used at work, when he was faced with the challenge to go against the establishment and agitate for real change, he "rolled over like a $2 floozy." Trump did not roll over, and he captured all of the "agitators for change" demographic. So now you have a bunch of confused and abandoned leftists who grudgingly tolerate Trump because the democratic party has been exposed to be completely devoid of any principle and is actually worse. I believe that Stein thinks that if she can expose the establishment rigging the general election for Hillary similar to how they rigged the primary, it will be the final blow to the Democrats' legitimacy and anyone with any critical thinking faculties left will be rushing for the exits. Even though the Green Party is somewhat obscure, it has had a very leftist platform for quite some time, and would suddenly appear to be the only place left for disenfranchised liberals fleeing the establishment to run. Jill Stein could then market her party as the party that brought accountability to the American voting process and how it fights for the people against the establishment by exposing its corruption (a message very similar to Trump's, but designed for the left). It would be one of the greatest stories in American politics. This would give her a huge voter base by allowing her to hijack the Democrats in a similar way to how Trump hijacked the Republicans, and she would be virtually guaranteed to poll high enough to get into the debates in one, or at most two election cycles. The Greens are then transformed into a major American political party with some real clout; mission accomplished.

It is possible Soros is playing her, trying some desperate attempt to steal the election back for Hillary, in which case Stein would still get a certain amount of fame if it was found to be "rigged" in favor of Trump, but she would be disposed of when her usefulness was over. She seems, however to be an impassionated and smart lady, and I don't think she is dumb enough to fall for that. She gains notoriety either way, but more likely she is playing Soros' color revolution against itself as she chisels away at the weaknesses in the establishment Trump has created.
 
Is there any evidence or reason that a recount is any more accurate or not rigged than the first count results? I listened to a few minutes of her unsubstantiated bias. I thought she sounded like a poor loser for not getting what she wanted. She and her kind should shut up and go home.
 
Let's wait how this will play out. I think it could be rather interesting. If Trump taught us anything it is that you can break the system apart from working within. Who knows, Jill Stein may be trying the same with this recount.

Whoever is funding her. It doesn't mean she will play along.

If Soros and his gang are partially behind it. She can't openly speak about her intentions. All she need now is the money to get this going.

We all know Trump won big time, any sincere recount will only proof that. And it will also proof that the US is not a functioning democracy. It could also mean the end of the Democrats and the 2 party system.
 
I'm not so hopeful about Stein. I feel like she's the type of person who like to appear as a mouse but is truly a wolf. I just find very strange that she would find the whole recounting the vote without any explanation. Remind me of Comey. Besides, what make us sure that the recount will show the rigging and fake ballot? I don't tgin Hillary and co will stay asleep during this period.
 
DianaRose94 said:
I'm not so hopeful about Stein. I feel like she's the type of person who like to appear as a mouse but is truly a wolf. I just find very strange that she would find the whole recounting the vote without any explanation. Remind me of Comey. Besides, what make us sure that the recount will show the rigging and fake ballot? I don't tgin Hillary and co will stay asleep during this period.
I disagree. The recount may actually show more votes in favor of Green (stolen for HRC's camp). My initial thought after the election was that Jill got less than predicted (much less). She was polling briefly in the 3-5% range nationwide after Sanders, but ended up with less than 1%? For me, I think it's an easy vote to steal, because she was discounted by so many. Granted, it's hard to say for sure and it certainly is a curious development.
 
As for Stein, whatever the circumstances - that brought about the recount - she is being "used"? Within 48 hours, donations for the recount exceeded the amount that came in during her whole campaign? If I was in Stein's situation, I would feel embarrassed - just on that one "fact" alone. There must be some type of pay-off for her (financial - promised position or whatever) to put herself up front like this? Why isn't Bernie Sanders involved or mentioned in this recount frenzy? Maybe, because it would all point back to Clinton and Soros?

- Jill raised a total of $3.5 million in her entire campaign for President. She has (as of the time this article was written) raised $4.5 million in less than 48 hours of the recount campaign.

When Donald Trump was named "victor" - Clinton lost more than the election! We still don't know what is really involved or behind the Clinton Foundation? As noted in this other thread, Foreign Countries were padding the Clinton Foundation with "Millions of Dollars" on a yearly basis - a good portion of it, being taxpayer monies, that should have been going into their Countries budgets? Many Countries like Germany,
Norway and Australia have cut or halted funding, altogether since Clinton lost the election? So what were they paying and stripping their economies for - what was "the GAME"? And what happens when "these Citizens of these Countries" find out "that Millions" of their tax money has been siphoned off, creating deficits in their own economic and social programs? It's going to be a SHTF moment!

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.1020.html

Given the circumstances, I view Clinton "like a wounded animal" right now and she's going to pull all the tricks out of the bag, to save herself. Unfortunately, money can't buy everything. The way I see it, Trump doesn't have to waste time and energy to bring on an investigation, her quest for Absolute Power will bring her down and expose everything (in due time)?
 
I was waiting for Clinton to get in the middle of this recounting, since I sense that she's behind this whole fiasco, to begin with?

Clinton Campaign Joins Greens' Vote Recount Bid in Key Swing States
https://sputniknews.com/us/201611261047878274-clinton-campaign-recount/

Mark Elias, a general counsel with US presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s campaign, said that the Clinton campaign would "take the same approach" in Pennsylvania and Michigan, "if Jill Stein follows through as she has promised and pursues recounts" in these states as well.MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Mark Elias, a general counsel with US presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s campaign, said Saturday they planned to join the Green Party motion to recount votes in three battleground states.

"Because we had not uncovered any actionable evidence of hacking or outside attempts to alter the voting technology, we had not planned to exercise this option ourselves, but now that a recount has been initiated in Wisconsin, we intend to participate in order to ensure the process proceeds in a manner that is fair to all sides," he wrote in a blog on the Medium website.

He added that the Clinton campaign would "take the same approach" in Pennsylvania and Michigan, "if Jill Stein follows through as she has promised and pursues recounts" in these states as well.

Green Party nominee Stein confirmed to Sputnik on Friday she was running a campaign to recount votes by hand in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan, where Republican contender Donald Trump won a slim victory, saying "hack-friendly" voting machines were involved.
 
I dunno, I think this is something Stein originally did in order to "make her mark" on the political stage, and now Soros wants to get out ahead of this thing by putting his own people in there to keep anything damaging from being revealed, and possibly spin it in his favor. I don't think he originally wanted the voting process to be scrutinized too closely, since the voting machines in Michigan and Pennsylvania are his, and now that it is being looked at, he's playing damage control.

I have a hard time believing that after rallying against Clinton's policies, having dinners with Putin, and kind of supporting Trump over Clinton, that she has suddenly done an about face and is in cahoots with Hillary. I do believe organizations friendly to Hillary are funding this thing, and Stein is playing politics on her own side for her own purposes. If she's not careful she's going to get eaten.
 
Neil said:
I dunno, I think this is something Stein originally did in order to "make her mark" on the political stage, and now Soros wants to get out ahead of this thing by putting his own people in there to keep anything damaging from being revealed, and possibly spin it in his favor. I don't think he originally wanted the voting process to be scrutinized too closely, since the voting machines in Michigan and Pennsylvania are his, and now that it is being looked at, he's playing damage control.

I have a hard time believing that after rallying against Clinton's policies, having dinners with Putin, and kind of supporting Trump over Clinton, that she has suddenly done an about face and is in cahoots with Hillary. I do believe organizations friendly to Hillary are funding this thing, and Stein is playing politics on her own side for her own purposes. If she's not careful she's going to get eaten.

I think - you hit the nail on the head. Stein could very well get burned in the middle of this and reduce her chances of running in the future?

Many in the US Green Party are wondering from where the money for a vote recount is coming from, but clearly it is not coming from the party’s supporters, according to Myles Hoenig, an American political analyst and senior member of the Green Party.

‘Money for recount not coming from Green Party supporters’
http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2016/11/26/495302/Green-Party-vote-recount-money

Many in the US Green Party are wondering from where the money for a vote recount is coming from, but clearly it is not coming from the party’s supporters, according to Myles Hoenig, an American political analyst and senior member of the Green Party.

Former Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein submitted a recount request to Wisconsin authorities on Friday afternoon. Stein also planned to formally file for recounts with authorities in Michigan and Pennsylvania in the coming days.

Stein raised more than $5 million in two days to file for recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, while her campaign could only raise $3.5 million for the November 8 presidential election.

Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton narrowly lost these three states to Republican Donald Trump, the president-elect. If Clinton had won all of these states’ 46 Electoral College votes, it would have been enough for her to win the White House.

Press TV asked Hoenig, a Green Party candidate for Congress, on Saturday whether Stein's vote recount effort could change the outcome of the election.

“The likelihood that a recount in the 2016 election would change the outcome is remote,” he stated.

“But that is not the primary reason that Jill Stein is pushing for it. Her argument is that it would ensure electoral integrity and protect future Green Party candidates in 2017 and 2018 as they run for office from being hacked, removed, disenfranchised or other attempts to prevent a challenge to the 2-party system,” he argued.

“She is using the Clinton/White House argument that there was Russian tampering going on, something that has not been verified or made public. It's a red herring. That being said, there are some things that need to be clarified,” the activist explained.

“First, this is not sanctioned by the Green Party. Their steering committee did not approve the Green Party being the recipient of the money, needing to open up an account. Jill Stein might be the perceived face of the party but as a candidate and nominee, she no more officially represents the party than neither Clinton nor Trump represent theirs,” he said.

“There is a schism within the party over this issue for many reasons and at this point it would be wise for the party to be an observer of this runaway train, rather than its conductor,” the analyst revealed.

Is it Soros's money? “There is a question of where the money is coming from. In her entire campaign, she only raised $3.5 million but now she's on track to exceed $5 million,” the commentator stated.

“Clearly, this money is not coming from Green Party supporters but from Democrats and their big pocketed supporters. Some speculate that it's [American billionaire George] Soros's money, which is likely, but not confirmed. Either way, it is Democratic Party supporters that are pushing for this recount,” he noted.

“The other question is why these 3 states? These are states that Clinton lost and together would make up enough Electoral College votes to give her the lead if the recount goes in her favor,” he observed.

“If there is a concern that the Green Party candidate may have lost votes due to hacking, the preferred strategy would be to have a recount in the states that Clinton won with a small margin, or in states where the Greens were expected to do a lot better than the outcome,” Hoenig concluded.
 
angelburst29 said:
Neil said:
I have a hard time believing that after rallying against Clinton's policies, having dinners with Putin, and kind of supporting Trump over Clinton, that she has suddenly done an about face and is in cahoots with Hillary. I do believe organizations friendly to Hillary are funding this thing, and Stein is playing politics on her own side for her own purposes. If she's not careful she's going to get eaten.

I think - you hit the nail on the head. Stein could very well get burned in the middle of this and reduce her chances of running in the future?

I'm beginning to have a bad feeling about this. If you look on Stein's FB page, a lot of her supporters are really upset with her, and are asking why states such as California and Nevada aren't being recounted as well. This isn't going over well at all with her base. Also, she just shared this article a couple of hours ago:

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/why-anti-trump-protests-matter-w450561

It's still possible she's playing this really close to the chest, but I'm not sure that she's that smart in a strategic sense. I hope she's not selling her soul here, but as usual time will tell and we'll have to see how things continue to develop.
 
angelburst29 said:
As for Stein, whatever the circumstances - that brought about the recount - she is being "used"? Within 48 hours, donations for the recount exceeded the amount that came in during her whole campaign? If I was in Stein's situation, I would feel embarrassed - just on that one "fact" alone. There must be some type of pay-off for her (financial - promised position or whatever) to put herself up front like this? Why isn't Bernie Sanders involved or mentioned in this recount frenzy? Maybe, because it would all point back to Clinton and Soros?

- Jill raised a total of $3.5 million in her entire campaign for President. She has (as of the time this article was written) raised $4.5 million in less than 48 hours of the recount campaign.

When Donald Trump was named "victor" - Clinton lost more than the election! We still don't know what is really involved or behind the Clinton Foundation? As noted in this other thread, Foreign Countries were padding the Clinton Foundation with "Millions of Dollars" on a yearly basis - a good portion of it, being taxpayer monies, that should have been going into their Countries budgets? Many Countries like Germany,
Norway and Australia have cut or halted funding, altogether since Clinton lost the election? So what were they paying and stripping their economies for - what was "the GAME"? And what happens when "these Citizens of these Countries" find out "that Millions" of their tax money has been siphoned off, creating deficits in their own economic and social programs? It's going to be a SHTF moment!

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.1020.html

Given the circumstances, I view Clinton "like a wounded animal" right now and she's going to pull all the tricks out of the bag, to save herself. Unfortunately, money can't buy everything. The way I see it, Trump doesn't have to waste time and energy to bring on an investigation, her quest for Absolute Power will bring her down and expose everything (in due time)?

I don't have the imagination to fathom where is all the money coming from and where and to whom is it really going to???? Can she's be that naive? Or is she willing to campaign on this issue in the hope of personal gains? It's just suspicious on so many levels. To promote the Green Party now or in the future? They are wannabes at best. They only get traction with the socialist libs. Sounds like more government for the people. Maybe it's a new smokescreen ideology behind which to hide ulterior motives?
 
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