Dr Karla Turner lecture

[Psalehesost]

Hey Psalehesost my pipe smoking friend, hows it going

(apart from that, as with a number of people on the forum lately, recently feeling up and down both physically and mentally)

I agree with your post for the most part, however I think we should remember what Ra said - some experiences can be STO (what Ra calls thought induced), and this may include physical examinations if it is subconsciously expected... see this post below in another thread (just above a post of yours). MAYBE this contact with STO is for wanderers only, but then it may also be for a STO potential individual when he/she needs a 'jump start'.

It seems that in the case of wanderers, it could be a pre-arranged effort to "wake them up" to their mission when submerged into the mess of life here on Earth. As they are already "there", full-on STO contact would not infringe on their process of learning.

In the case of people with STO potential, it would be trickier and depend a lot on context. I think it would not be up to STO beings to determine their needs, that they need a "jump start" or some other help, but they themselves would have to determine this at some level and ask for something appropriate. In short, STO forces couldn't, to my understanding, simply pop into their lives uninvited.

So, what is seen when looking at the context of the abductees in Turner's books? They may, or may not (it probably varies from case to case) have asked for and indeed had some genuinely positive experiences, but it also seems clear that they have had plenty of experiences that seem "positive" but are not when looking at the wider context.

I think the bulk of what is recounted can be seen to be manipulation that is part of shaping them into the tools they've either become or were in the process of becoming.

I'm afraid the issue may never be fully resolved because of its hyperdimensional nature and the fact that even an abductee does not remember everything under hypnosis. Also, I think some where in 'Taken' Carla mentions that some of the experiences are the 'virtual reality' type, which means you cannot ever really say what you are seeing really happened in real life (in any density) or was your imagination induced by the STS forces.

There is much that can't be known; I however think that grasping at the essence of the phenomenon is quite possible. We cannot know all about individual cases, but we can learn what kind of things go on, the principles involved.

Memory blocks and screen memories seem to have a purpose of hiding the nature of STS procedures - as STO does not "program" people, I can't think of any STO purpose to such things if the sole point of STO contact is awakening and furthering learning, which is not helped by a memory block; so while many of the details can't be known, I think the presence of such things indicates STS interactions.

Karla also points out that those virtual experiences are experienced as very real to the abductees going through them, and so can deeply influence them; it doesn't seem to matter much for the abductee whether an abduction is virtual or not. The C's also describe soul abductions, which may or may not - or may in some but not all cases - be the same as the virtual reality abductions. (C's mention that there are six levels of abduction, Karla describes three)


From the reading of Karla's books (now read all three), I can point out one interaction that seems likely (but not certain) to be STO: Karla had an experience after praying for an explanation to be able to make sense of issues relating to the "alien agenda", where upon sleeping she found herself in a presentation led by unseen beings, who explain an agenda of the STS beings of manufacturing seeming threats to humanity so that they can then present themselves as saviors in the future in order to be accepted by humanity, then getting rid of us and replacing us with the new "model". Pretty much the same idea as the C's when they likewise say that we are the "new Neanderthals" to be replaced with a new model of human that can be controlled even better. Of those I've read about, that interaction seems the most likely to be STO, even though the information given to Karla skipped over the significance of some real upcoming threats.


Also, something that might be interesting to throw into the thread in discussing the programming of abductees:

[...] entities among your peoples are taken on their craft and programmed for future use. There are two or three levels of programming. First, the level that will be discovered by those who do research. Second, a triggering program. Third, a second and most deep triggering program crystallizing the entity thereby rendering it lifeless and useful as a kind of beacon.

Did she mention any thoughts about what had caused her cancer?

Isn't it obvious? In her book Masquerade of angels that guy who was being abducted said that his grand mom also got cancer by them because she wanted to protect him and didn't want to cooperate with 4D STS.

The grandma got a stroke rather than a cancer. As for Turner, apart from a connection seeming very much likely, I found this:

Q: Rumor has it that Turner's death was alien related. What about you? What do you think?

A: Kandy called me as soon as she came back from the cancer specialist for an emergency visit. She had just awakened that morning with a spectacular symbol imprinted on her liver. It was larger than a fifty cent piece in size, and it was embossed in a meticulous way. The angles were perfect, and it was a perfectly embossed symbol.

When the doctor, a cancer specialist, examined her, he said, “You must have had a visitation by aliens, because there is no human doctor or medical facility that could ever initiate a situation like this. No medical technology could create that impression on a human body.” The blood had been excised from this area so perfectly. The doctor said that nothing we have in medical science could extract the blood and create these perfect angles. He knew nothing about her involvement with aliens. You don’t ever bring that up around doctors, so he had no prior knowledge of her alien connection.

 

[aragorn]

Did she mention any thoughts about what had caused her cancer?

Isn't it obvious? In her book Masquerade of angels that guy who was being abducted said that his grand mom also got cancer by them because she wanted to protect him and didn't want to cooperate with 4D STS.

I was interested to hear her own thoughts about it, and if her version might offer some more understanding in addition to the things we've learned from the Bartholic interview. ;)

 

[dannybananny]

I was interested to hear her own thoughts about it, and if her version might offer some more understanding in addition to the things we've learned from the Bartholic interview. Wink

Ok, thanks for explaining.

 

[HiThere]

About the deep sleep:

Enaid 01 Mai 2011, 23:19:20 :
When seeing it I was just coming out of the kind of sleep I've experienced a few times already: it's as if I've been drugged up by something outside of me and it needed a considerable amount of struggle to make myself wake up and open my eyes. The drugged up feeling remained all day yesterday. And during that nap I had a dream about some relationship drama, but it felt like it was a movie and upon waking my first impression was that it was a 'screen dream', intended to distract me from something.

And I think Gimpy also mentioned something about having deep sleep in a thread.

The last year I've had a tendency for prolonged naps in the afternoons after work, where I sort of am awake but still can't wake up. I often get leg cramps during these "naps" and when I wake up for real I feel like I've been far away. On one of these occasions I slept for 6 hours straight until eleven in the evening without being deprived of sleep beforehand.
The sleep itself and the feeling of it it isn't a threatening experience, it happens independently of my mood, and POTS doesn't seem to influence it. Has anyone else experienced this "deep sleep" syndrome lately?

 

[iloveyoghurt]

This is some of what the Cs have said about cancer. I wonder if these explanations they have provided as to why folks get cancer apply to every case - i,e, Karla's case. It would seem that there are some acceptions possibly to the Cs explanations, going on the implication that, Karla was targeted purposely, by external forces to herself, to be infected with cancer.

28 Oct 1994

Q: (V) I listened to a woman named J___ D___ who says that
women who have abortions have a higher incidence of breast
cancer but that spontaneous abortion or miscarriage do not
cause the same reaction, is this true?
A: Yes. But women who have their first pregnancy later in
life also have higher instances of breast cancer and same
for those who never get pregnant.
Q: (V) Does abortion create karma resulting in breast cancer?
A: Hormonal anomalies cause breast cancer. Karma is
interconnected with physical experiences.
Q: (L) Are you saying that having an abortion can create
Karma?
A: Of course.
Q: (V) Is this research funded by pro-life activists?
A: Some.
Q: (L) I think that V__ wants to ask if she has Karma in this
regard?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) She has not worked it out?
A: No.
Q: (L) Bill Baldwin says abortions lead to serious spiritual
attachment situations. Is this true?
A: Semi-accurate.
Q: (L) Is there some way to release this kind of karma for
V__ or others who have it?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Could you tell us?
A: If we tell you, you won't learn.


10 Dec 1994

Q: (L) I would like to know if there is anything T
G could do to enhance his recovery from cancer?
A: PMA. Positive Mental Attitude.


24 August 1996

Q:... (V) I have been helping a
woman who has cancer. I see her cancer as a sideline even
though it is in the lymph system. Is this correct?
A: Cancer is always a "sideline."
Q: (V) When I was working with her, I felt a lot of energy
flow coming up from her solar plexus. Was this the
disease energy leaving?
A: Constriction easing. If she wants to remain on third
density, she must change a 28 year long outlook, and purge
feelings, rather than collecting them as a "sponge." Also,
dietary changes are needed. We suggest sauerkraut extract
and fruit juices and broccoli. She needs colonic therapy,
and if diagnosis is "terminal," why are poisonous
treatments a consideration? We strongly recommend that
you suggest a change in the 28 year long outlook. She
must purge and cleanse her mind, body, and soul, as with
ALL cancer patients.

13 Sept 1997

Q: Let me ask quickly, does giving Reiki to a person who has
a bacterial or viral infection increase the potential of
the infection? What is the effect?
A: Broad inquiry, but Reiki is best suited to conditions not
microbially induced.
Q: Is it the case that you are actually feeding the microbes
with energy?
A: Can, or effects can cancel each other out.
Q: What about when you are dealing with cancer... not,
cancers are not microbial necessarily... but some have
been shown to be microbial...
A: Microbially triggered.
Q: So cancers are microbially triggered?
A: Some.
Q: (V) As we practice Reiki, how do we know if we are doing
the person more harm than good? How do we decide if we
are going to make them sicker or better?
A: Ask if they are suffering from infection.
Q: What if they don't know? There are a lot of times that a
person doesn't know.
A: True, but odds are in your favor.
Q: (V) So the viruses cannot be treated by etherical healing?
Is there any method that will work other than Reiki?
A: Prayer.

27 June 1998

Q: ... Speaking of North Carolina, I want to ask,
regarding TG's passing, if there was any relationship
between their moving there and his subsequent demise? I
mean, no sooner had they gotten everything set up and
organized, the house built and so forth, he passed. What
was the relationship, since you mentioned once that there
was an indirect relationship between the move there and
his passing?
A: Once he had fulfilled his wish, it was the end of the
line.
Q: Is there any other connection, other than the fulfillment
of his wishes?
A: No.
Q: Okay. So, once he had what he wanted, that was it. ...
Q: If CG had been more in the direct seeking mode while
she was married to TG - is it possible that he would
not have died so soon? I mean, was she supposed to be
moving in a different direction and all these things
happened to stop her, turn her around, make her think and
so forth?
A: Marriage was not right to begin with.
Q: Well, TG was the love of her life.
A: Cancer is evidence of this. How many instances can you
think of where husband and wife, relatively young, are
each subsequently stricken with such potentially deadly
strains?
Q: In that sense, I would say that the bodies are definitely
speaking loudly and clearly about something that the
conscious minds are not even admitting. But, that is her
issue. She would have to dig pretty deep for that. Why
is she so stubborn about not looking at her own issues?
Why does she prefer the 'personal myth,' as she calls it?
A: Some souls persistently chase ideals, even when totally
detrimental to their chosen path.


18 Jan 2003

Q: We have learned that a former group member has cancer and is likely to die soon if something drastic isn't done. Is there any hope for this situation?
A: Not without her letting go of the bitterness inside.


The reason that I ask is because I have had cancer twice now in my life, and I have many questions around this, and other illnesses.

Maybe EE would have helped karla.

 

[anart]

This is some of what the Cs have said about cancer. I wonder if these explanations they have provided as to why folks get cancer apply to every case - i,e, Karla's case. It would seem that there are some acceptions possibly to the Cs explanations, going on the implication that, Karla was targeted purposely, by external forces to herself, to be infected with cancer.

From what I understand, Karla's cancer was induced and was very, very fast acting. In other words, she was 'taken out'. At least that's my current understanding.

 

[iloveyoghurt]

01-27-2011, 11:31 AM

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It is a dangerous game to stay active in this research arena. I would recommend a total withdrawel from it. Speak very little about it and be careful to whom you do speak. Go to church frequently but don't become fanatical. Fanaticism of any sort attracts aliens like a magnet. And by the way, the aliens often program people to become fanatical. It creates a type of energy they can use. Get the books, papers, tapes and videos of this subject matter out of your home. This is not a total cure all but a number of people Barbara and I passed this on to tried it and it brought an improvement into their lives. It certainly made mine better. The nature of and frequency of my abuctions changed dramatically when I began this. It never went away completely mind you, but there was a big, big improvement. And after the aliens stopped their rude intrusion into my life, the other force that I think was the government was not following behind them to see what was done to me and what I might know that could be a threat to their big secret.

Don't become obsessed wiht UFOLOGY. Obsessions can be quite negative. and the Natural Law of Attraction will deliver the aliens right to your front door if you feed them with obsessive behavior.

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01-28-2011, 02:32 PM

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When I read Karla's books 6/7 years ago, I had the same creepy, creepy feeling that others here have reported. I felt like I was being watched and tagged by some data-collecting and reporting, omnipresent super-energy. I had one very strange experience of hearing footsteps on gravel outside my open window where I was reading one night, it startled me so much I utterly gasped outloud. I saw nothing though, and didn't have gravel outside my window (but I remember "seeing" something in my mind's eye?). I put it down to the neighbours but, the steps went nowhere, they didn't go to a rubbish bin, or to the front, they just stopped, they were quite loud too and it was very late at night. Besides all that, I had never once heard those neighbours before, ever. It was very strange certainly, however additionally to this was the feeling that I had somehow co-created the experience. It was as though I knew on some level that, by reading the material I was giving permission for them to come closer to me, but it was also prearranged. It was very impersonal though, like some sort of energetic law of physics.

So anyway, that was my experience.

Edit - gammar, and tried to fix quote box.

 

[iloveyoghurt]

From what I understand, Karla's cancer was induced and was very, very fast acting. In other words, she was 'taken out'. At least that's my current understanding.

Yes, Anart, that is just what I am saying. Sometimes it is induced, cancer can be induced purposely from external forces.

 

[anart]

From what I understand, Karla's cancer was induced and was very, very fast acting. In other words, she was 'taken out'. At least that's my current understanding.

Yes, Anart, that is just what I am saying. Sometimes it is induced, cancer can be induced purposely from external forces.

Then I'm not sure why you posted those C's quotes in this context? It's my understanding that there is a qualitative difference between naturally developed cancer and induced cancer.

 

[Oxajil]

Just wanna say that considering the statistics of these times: That one in three people can develop cancer, it is possible that Karla already had a developing cancer going on (just a possibility). And this development could have been accelerated by 4D STS (''beaming'') techniques or other ways. Perhaps (a big perhaps) the external STS forces use that which is already there, against you (whether there're diseases present or certain programs etc. that they can use against you). Considering how HAARP can be used to deteriorate, making your bad programs coming out and maybe even worsen, perhaps there are other techniques that can be used to make people's diseases go worse in a short amount of time.

As always, osit, networking, and being careful, keeping up with the diet, EE, getting in knowledge, Working etc. can keep one protected. Always keeping the eyes and ears open, that is.

 

[EGVG]

Just wanna say that considering the statistics of these times: That one in three people can develop cancer, it is possible that Karla already had a developing cancer going on (just a possibility). And this development could have been accelerated by 4D STS (''beaming'') techniques or other ways. Perhaps (a big perhaps) the external STS forces use that which is already there, against you (whether there're diseases present or certain programs etc. that they can use against you). Considering how HAARP can be used to deteriorate, making your bad programs coming out and maybe even worsen, perhaps there are other techniques that can be used to make people's diseases go worse in a short amount of time.

As always, osit, networking, and being careful, keeping up with the diet, EE, getting in knowledge, Working etc. can keep one protected. Always keeping the eyes and ears open, that is.

Well, this is completely valid, everyone can get cancer, but remember that the doctor that saw her, even said that she had been visited by aliens, because her diagnose was so out of the ordinary. And the doctor had no clue of what her latest job was.

 

[Psalehesost]

Perhaps (a big perhaps) the external STS forces use that which is already there, against you (whether there're diseases present or certain programs etc. that they can use against you). Considering how HAARP can be used to deteriorate, making your bad programs coming out and maybe even worsen, perhaps there are other techniques that can be used to make people's diseases go worse in a short amount of time.

There are mentions of this in the Ra material, though somewhat vague as to the mechanisms involved.

This group, as all positive channels and supporting groups, is a greatly high priority with the Orion group. This instrument’s bodily distortions are its most easily unbound or unloosed distortion dissolving the mind/body/spirit complex if the Orion group is successful; this particular group, having learned to be without serious chinks, may we say, in mind and spirit complex vibratory patterns. In other channels other chinks may be more in evidence.

There are frequent mentions of Carla and her physical state, weakened through attacks - to varying extents - a great deal of the time, including what was potentially a lethal attack:

Ra: This thought-form sought to put an end to this instrument’s incarnation by working with the renal distortions which, although corrected upon time/space, are vulnerable to one which knows the way to separate time/space molding and space/time distortions which are being unmolded, vulnerable as before the, shall we say, healing.

Questioner: What detrimental effect has been done?

Ra: I am Ra. There will be some discomfort. However, we were fortunate in that this instrument was very open to us and well-tuned. Had we not been able to reach this instrument and instruct you, the instrument’s physical vehicle would soon be unviable.

It seems that messing with the mind, with attention (effective way to make someone have a deadly accident), and with emotions, and with bodily vulnerabilities, as well as with the orientation of the soul by attempting to induce choices of serious negative consequence - are all standard practice.

Apart from 4D STS, there are references in the Ra material to a 5D STS attacker (ie. what Laura would classify as a demonic entity - not a dead dude, but someone who's grown so much in 4D STS as to graduate permanently from there, but not yet implode with the graduation from 5D STS) - and this one is what was described as causing physical problems by some sort of "focusing" that exploits vulnerabilities and tampers with the physical structure.

So assuming this is correct, there's 3D STS tampering, 4D STS tampering, and tampering of an even more abstract and ethereal nature. And any and all weaknesses no matter on what level can be targeted.

So in the case of Karla Turner, could have been (as you suggested) the beginning of a cancer that was triggered/strengthened/adjusted in some way; but also any and all physiological vulnerabilities that can, by themselves, lead to cancer if exploited - some issue of bodily chemicals or hormones, or viruses or parasites, or something else.

The defense, then, would be to make sure there are no such (of any diverse kind) vulnerabilities in the body. So, the bottom line indeed becomes:

As always, osit, networking, and being careful, keeping up with the diet, EE, getting in knowledge, Working etc. can keep one protected. Always keeping the eyes and ears open, that is.

Making sure to leave no area behind.

 

[dannybananny]

So in the case of Karla Turner, could have been (as you suggested) the beginning of a cancer that was triggered/strengthened/adjusted in some way; but also any and all physiological vulnerabilities that can, by themselves, lead to cancer if exploited - some issue of bodily chemicals or hormones, or viruses or parasites, or something else.

I don't think that there was at the beginning cancer because doctor said it was very strange type of it, so if it was earlier there then it would look like normal cancer I suppose, and C's said to Laura to give her warning to not travel alone on roads at night, so they waited foe opportunity to induce it. But then we can ask why cancer not hearth attack or something? Maybe it has to do with genetic profile or some like you said body weaknesses.

 

[iloveyoghurt]

Well, this is completely valid, everyone can get cancer, but remember that the doctor that saw her, even said that she had been visited by aliens, because her diagnose was so out of the ordinary. And the doctor had no clue of what her latest job was.

Hi EGVG, where did you hear this? I haven't come across this anywhere.

 

[iloveyoghurt]

It seems that messing with the mind, with attention (effective way to make someone have a deadly accident), and with emotions, and with bodily vulnerabilities, as well as with the orientation of the soul by attempting to induce choices of serious negative consequence - are all standard practice.

Apart from 4D STS, there are references in the Ra material to a 5D STS attacker (ie. what Laura would classify as a demonic entity - not a dead dude, but someone who's grown so much in 4D STS as to graduate permanently from there, but not yet implode with the graduation from 5D STS) - and this one is what was described as causing physical problems by some sort of "focusing" that exploits vulnerabilities and tampers with the physical structure.

So assuming this is correct, there's 3D STS tampering, 4D STS tampering, and tampering of an even more abstract and ethereal nature. And any and all weaknesses no matter on what level can be targeted.

So in the case of Karla Turner, could have been (as you suggested) the beginning of a cancer that was triggered/strengthened/adjusted in some way; but also any and all physiological vulnerabilities that can, by themselves, lead to cancer if exploited - some issue of bodily chemicals or hormones, or viruses or parasites, or something else.

The defense, then, would be to make sure there are no such (of any diverse kind) vulnerabilities in the body. So, the bottom line indeed becomes:

As always, osit, networking, and being careful, keeping up with the diet, EE, getting in knowledge, Working etc. can keep one protected. Always keeping the eyes and ears open, that is.

Making sure to leave no area behind.

Hi Psalehesost, you have put the logic of the question together very concisely, it makes perfect sense to me. I find the avenue that disease and even accidents can be induced by "3D STS tampering, 4D STS tampering, and tampering of an even more abstract and ethereal nature" very fascinating, I think it's something I've always had a sense for, and why I seek answers. I am always looking to discover more about the "psychic attack" phenomenon, forces of other densities are a huge missing link to the reason behind all sorts of illnesses and even "accidents".

How it actually works. is a mystery to me, as Dannybannany has asked: why cancer, why not a heartattach? You have made some suggestions here that offer perfectly sensical answers to this. I will add that, it is more energetically efficient probably to use the force within the person that is already geared a certain way.

Now, to learn more about who is the target and why.