Ok, so I have watched two of Karla Turner's lectures and the one by James Bartley. I found Dr. Turner simply awesome - what a smart and courageous woman!! As for Bartley, I think that he is roughly telling truths, but he does tend to make a few leaps of assumptions here and there. Also, the topic of his lecture is particularly disturbing in its graphic descriptions, so be warned if you are curious!
Aragorn and Enaid, although I am not reading Turner's books at the moment, watching the lectures made me feel a bit like you guys. However I haven't had any strange experiences, apart from one nightmare and another dream in which I was fighting the devil himself with martial arts (which was kind of cool :P).
In the lectures, Turner mentions two things that may be useful. First, that anger is the one emotion that these beings do not like (directed at them of course). So it may be a good idea to make a conscious effort to transform our fear into anger when we start to freak out. After all, we have a pretty good case to be angry!
Second, Turner says that if these critters go to so much effort to manipulate us and do it hidden from our awareness, it must be because they are really afraid of what we can do if we knew what they are up to and how far our potential goes. A very encouraging thought!
So hang in there, warriors! There's a war going on and it's not over till it's over. And you are not alone on the battlefield. The Cs have mentioned that members of this forum are connecting their chakras, so maybe our collective resistance provides extra protection?
Aragorn and Enaid, although I am not reading Turner's books at the moment, watching the lectures made me feel a bit like you guys. However I haven't had any strange experiences, apart from one nightmare and another dream in which I was fighting the devil himself with martial arts (which was kind of cool :P).
In the lectures, Turner mentions two things that may be useful. First, that anger is the one emotion that these beings do not like (directed at them of course). So it may be a good idea to make a conscious effort to transform our fear into anger when we start to freak out. After all, we have a pretty good case to be angry!
Second, Turner says that if these critters go to so much effort to manipulate us and do it hidden from our awareness, it must be because they are really afraid of what we can do if we knew what they are up to and how far our potential goes. A very encouraging thought!
So hang in there, warriors! There's a war going on and it's not over till it's over. And you are not alone on the battlefield. The Cs have mentioned that members of this forum are connecting their chakras, so maybe our collective resistance provides extra protection?
Wow, if 'Into the fringe' was an intense read then 'Masquarade of Angles' was like three times more intense! What an amazing story, I highly recommend reading it.
A few things came to mind while reading this book and the post by Windmill knight:
- It seems like some aliens possibly don't like sound. A remember Keel talking about this in his book too. And why is it that in during the encounters the alien dudes always tell not to speak aloud, they prefer telepathic communication. Would shouting at them have any effect?
- Keel did also a remark about how the UFO:s didn't like his flashlight, when he pointed it at them. But then again, alien encounters are experienced during the day time too.
- Some of the aliens and 'spheres' that this Ted Rice encountered didn't like to be touched. They sure like to touch us, but it seems they don't want us to touch them.
- Ted Rice's granny was able to resist the reptilian alien by saying "NO!", but she payed it with her life. But she COULD deny them of taking the boy, what's that all about?
- It seems important to the aliens (at least some of them) to induce an euphoric feeling, or feeling of acceptance, in the victim before the abduction. Why should it be necessary to do this if they have all the power and means to take us by force and make us forget about the whole incident?
- I remember Laura writing somewhere (or it could have been someone describing it), how she 'produced' in her mind a protecting umbrella coming from her solar plexus. I could remember this incident completely wrong. But could it be that there are some protecting 'mechanisms' in our body, e.g the solar plexus-tan tien area, that we are not aware of and that we cold use if we would know how?
Well, it maybe that there isn't much we can do to resist, but these came to mind, for what they are worth...
A few things came to mind while reading this book and the post by Windmill knight:
- It seems like some aliens possibly don't like sound. A remember Keel talking about this in his book too. And why is it that in during the encounters the alien dudes always tell not to speak aloud, they prefer telepathic communication. Would shouting at them have any effect?
- Keel did also a remark about how the UFO:s didn't like his flashlight, when he pointed it at them. But then again, alien encounters are experienced during the day time too.
- Some of the aliens and 'spheres' that this Ted Rice encountered didn't like to be touched. They sure like to touch us, but it seems they don't want us to touch them.
- Ted Rice's granny was able to resist the reptilian alien by saying "NO!", but she payed it with her life. But she COULD deny them of taking the boy, what's that all about?
- It seems important to the aliens (at least some of them) to induce an euphoric feeling, or feeling of acceptance, in the victim before the abduction. Why should it be necessary to do this if they have all the power and means to take us by force and make us forget about the whole incident?
- I remember Laura writing somewhere (or it could have been someone describing it), how she 'produced' in her mind a protecting umbrella coming from her solar plexus. I could remember this incident completely wrong. But could it be that there are some protecting 'mechanisms' in our body, e.g the solar plexus-tan tien area, that we are not aware of and that we cold use if we would know how?
Well, it maybe that there isn't much we can do to resist, but these came to mind, for what they are worth...
anart
A Disturbance in the Force
Aragorn said:
This is where it looked like Karla was going in her later talks. She believed that we do have a defense, but we just don't know about it and she appeared to be really interested in finding out exactly what it might be. She thought it was directly linked to anger and resistance, though, from her last few lectures. I think her pushing on this issue, as well as her linking the government and secret bases to the phenomenon was why she was 'removed'. I have no proof of that - just a thought.
thevenusian
Dagobah Resident
I second Aragorn's 'Wow'. I read 'Into the Fringe' and am just finishing 'Masquerade of Angels'. Karla's work is a great support to the Wave series, and really drives home the seriousness of how powerful the intervention of unseen forces is on all of us.
I can add something of my own experience to the account of Ted Rice in 'Masquerade of Angels'. When I was just out of high school, some many years ago, I was involved with a Spiritualist church. The psychic phenomena that I witnessed had a profound effect on me and in many ways shaped the course my life would take into adulthood. It certainly left me open and predisposed to becoming involved with various New Age and 'spiritual' groups which followed. It is a very good example of how deception comes wrapped in truths, and it worked on me just like Ted describes.
Though I have accepted and processed the concepts around there being a control program for everybody, as put forth in the Wave, reading the details of Ted's experience and awakening really drove this home in a very personal way. Its shocking.
I can add something of my own experience to the account of Ted Rice in 'Masquerade of Angels'. When I was just out of high school, some many years ago, I was involved with a Spiritualist church. The psychic phenomena that I witnessed had a profound effect on me and in many ways shaped the course my life would take into adulthood. It certainly left me open and predisposed to becoming involved with various New Age and 'spiritual' groups which followed. It is a very good example of how deception comes wrapped in truths, and it worked on me just like Ted describes.
Though I have accepted and processed the concepts around there being a control program for everybody, as put forth in the Wave, reading the details of Ted's experience and awakening really drove this home in a very personal way. Its shocking.
I have now read all three of Karla's books. I really admire her courage and her continous efforts in going public despite the threats against her. I find it sad though that she had to go... and wonder whether a strong enough network (like this here) could've saved her life in some way. In any case, she's dedicated her life to an important cause and I'm really grateful for her work. I hope she's well whereever 'she' is now.
Thanks Windmill knight for reminding us about the importance of transforming fear into anger when dealing with this phenomenon - it's so easy to be sucked into the mindset of the helpless paralyzed victim and forgetting that we do have means to resist.
Interestingly, I've digged up quite a few dreams which could be an indicator of abduction scenarios. One thing that's really been sinking in is, as venusian has mentioned, how there's a program for everyone, and I've at least found one major program in me that's been a big hook all my life. Stepping back from it and looking at it within the context of higher dimensional manipulation and seeing what this program has made me do and put up with in my life is really interesting from a research point of view, though outraging and horrible from an emotional point of view. Though I do remain open to never having been subjected to such and that this program could simply have been a result of the usual programming while growing up.
Knowledge is a cure in a way (once the feelings associated with a topic have been processed to a certain degree) and it's relieving to see the effects of putting the puzzle pieces together with each new information and thereby moving beyond the personal.
When finishing Masquerade of Angels I was curious to find out about Ted Rice's further work. I just found a forum thread where people talked about what might have happened to him, as after Karla's death he simply vanished and he neither published a second volume of Masquerade of Angels, as announced, nor did he start a website. After a few postings Ted Rice appeared on the mentioned forum, I'll include his postings below fwiw, while I do wonder whether it's really him.
(link:_http://www.alien-ufos.com/politics-current-events-serious-discussion/27898-whatever-happened-ted-rice-2.html)
He appeared ca. 1,5 years after that forum thread was started.
That was his last post and another member wrote how she thinks they won't hear anything from him anymore. I think it must be extremely difficult to experience those threats and friends dying because of their involvement with this topic. However, while I think I do understand his choice I must say it's a pity that he succumbed to their threats and even advises to withdraw from the whole topic altogether, so all related disturbances will probably diminish. It's like he's given in to the global program of "Don't mess with us or we'll give you problems. Go back to sleep.".
Then again I do wonder whether it was really Ted writing there or whether it was someone else masquerading as him. His advise would be seen as a good sort of advise and "if he says we better withdraw from it, he knows what he's talking about and so we better take it to heart". Interesting too that he mentions the Law of Attraction. He seems to have bought into a whole bunch of programming considering that his advise is in essence saying that we shouldn't even study the topic and throw out all related books and tapes.
Thanks Windmill knight for reminding us about the importance of transforming fear into anger when dealing with this phenomenon - it's so easy to be sucked into the mindset of the helpless paralyzed victim and forgetting that we do have means to resist.
Interestingly, I've digged up quite a few dreams which could be an indicator of abduction scenarios. One thing that's really been sinking in is, as venusian has mentioned, how there's a program for everyone, and I've at least found one major program in me that's been a big hook all my life. Stepping back from it and looking at it within the context of higher dimensional manipulation and seeing what this program has made me do and put up with in my life is really interesting from a research point of view, though outraging and horrible from an emotional point of view. Though I do remain open to never having been subjected to such and that this program could simply have been a result of the usual programming while growing up.
Knowledge is a cure in a way (once the feelings associated with a topic have been processed to a certain degree) and it's relieving to see the effects of putting the puzzle pieces together with each new information and thereby moving beyond the personal.
When finishing Masquerade of Angels I was curious to find out about Ted Rice's further work. I just found a forum thread where people talked about what might have happened to him, as after Karla's death he simply vanished and he neither published a second volume of Masquerade of Angels, as announced, nor did he start a website. After a few postings Ted Rice appeared on the mentioned forum, I'll include his postings below fwiw, while I do wonder whether it's really him.
(link:_http://www.alien-ufos.com/politics-current-events-serious-discussion/27898-whatever-happened-ted-rice-2.html)
He appeared ca. 1,5 years after that forum thread was started.
Ted Rice said:
Ted Rice said:
Ted Rice said:
Ted Rice said:
That was his last post and another member wrote how she thinks they won't hear anything from him anymore. I think it must be extremely difficult to experience those threats and friends dying because of their involvement with this topic. However, while I think I do understand his choice I must say it's a pity that he succumbed to their threats and even advises to withdraw from the whole topic altogether, so all related disturbances will probably diminish. It's like he's given in to the global program of "Don't mess with us or we'll give you problems. Go back to sleep.".
Then again I do wonder whether it was really Ted writing there or whether it was someone else masquerading as him. His advise would be seen as a good sort of advise and "if he says we better withdraw from it, he knows what he's talking about and so we better take it to heart". Interesting too that he mentions the Law of Attraction. He seems to have bought into a whole bunch of programming considering that his advise is in essence saying that we shouldn't even study the topic and throw out all related books and tapes.
I too just finished reading the third book by Karla, in my case that is 'Taken'. Reading the last paragraphs of that book made me very sad, knowing that there weren't any more books to read by this wonderful person.
Like you Enaid, I have things bubbling somewhere in my subconscious that are trying to reach the surface. They could be alien related or something more mundane, but reading Karla's books have certainly started some process inside me. I'm working on it with regular practice of EE, trying not to release anything too quickly. But while breathing, the spasms around the solar plexus area(I've had those before) are getting incredibly intense. My body is trying to tell me something, and I intend to find out what it is.
Those posts by 'Ted Rice' are a bit suspicious, I agree. Why would he talk about LOA when the books by Karla and Keel prove that this has nothing, or very little to do with who the aliens choose as their victim.
Like you Enaid, I have things bubbling somewhere in my subconscious that are trying to reach the surface. They could be alien related or something more mundane, but reading Karla's books have certainly started some process inside me. I'm working on it with regular practice of EE, trying not to release anything too quickly. But while breathing, the spasms around the solar plexus area(I've had those before) are getting incredibly intense. My body is trying to tell me something, and I intend to find out what it is.
Those posts by 'Ted Rice' are a bit suspicious, I agree. Why would he talk about LOA when the books by Karla and Keel prove that this has nothing, or very little to do with who the aliens choose as their victim.
Ted Rice said:
Re: Prayer. In another thread I mentioned that a few days ago I went to bed extremely tired. I've noticed that this sort of drops my 'psychic defenses' (or it feels like that anyway) and I often get nightmares in that state. This time, I was dreaming I was lying on bed, but in a different room, and my house-mates were somewhere around. Then I felt someone trying to pull me out of the bed. At first I thought it was one of my mates, but then I realized it was some evil entity. I couldn't move nor see it. I tried to resist and prayed to DCM for help. As soon as I did, I opened my eyes awake and could move normally on my bed. I wasn't afraid, more like 'oh well they tried again', but I still had the sensation of hands touching the sides of my ribcage. So maybe it was just a bad dream, but my point is that prayer does seem to help. And being righteously angry and fighting back, I think.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences guys.
(edit: typo)
Tigersoap
The Living Force
Windmill knight said:
I haven't read the books yet but listening to her lecture was really great and depressing at the same time.
I guess I have been abducted as well but have no recollection of it although some impressions or nightmares/dreams I had could fit the whole process. Urgh.
I also think that the POTS or praying to DCM changed something in this regard, that somehow the abductions could be prevented or rendered more difficult by this although I have no proof whatsoever.
Tigersoap said:
I observed that reciting POTS has the ability to break the loops of temptations. I have seen getting intense sleep or some compulsive impulsive habit to get broken, when POTS recited. Many times I get lost in internal considerations of office world, but when i take break and recite POTS internally, I can see a clear difference.
My impression regarding the countering the attack,it looks to have the ability to break the attack, but one still needs to be very watchful after instant relief.
This is an interesting thread. I too have had an urge to read ufo/abduction material in the past month even though I've read through some of it before. I went back to the thread on John Lear and Matrix material and listened to a few of the lectures he gave and the people he knew. At times it seems endless the amount of time you can spend listening and digging into these people. I had an experience this week where my college roommate was visiting (I live in Vegas) and we got into a deep discussion on 4th density since he had never heard about it before and was interested in it and we were having this discussion at the Planet Hollywood buffet and right in the middle of the discussion the guy sitting directly across from me fell over out of his chair and didn't move causing a couple women nearby to scream. Turns out he was just dehydrated, but it's the first time I've seen that type of incident while I've lived here and the timing and location made quite the impression. Last week I also went out on my balcony for a breather and had this intense wave of fear come over me that only lasted a second of two but was so out of place it was strange. I also haven't had any visitors in like 2 years but in the past 2 weeks I keep getting calls and emails of people that are going to be in town. Just keeping track of daily news is interesting enough but May has been quite the month for me...
cholas
Dagobah Resident
I recently finished reading Karla's books and look forward to watching her lectures as well. Thank you for the links.
In reading the recent thread concerning famous abductions(http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=19865.0), the story of Travis Walton caught my attention.
(While he was regaining consciousness, lying on an 'operating table', surrounded by three 'grays'):
On a different note, although he went to a regression-hypnotherapist, there had apparently been a block put into his subconscious:
I don't recall Karla encountering this in her cases.
anart said:
In reading the recent thread concerning famous abductions(http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=19865.0), the story of Travis Walton caught my attention.
(While he was regaining consciousness, lying on an 'operating table', surrounded by three 'grays'):
It sounds very much like Travis' resistance and anger did indeed temporarily prevent an 'operation' in his case. This type of reaction to being abducted seems pretty rare.wiki said:
On a different note, although he went to a regression-hypnotherapist, there had apparently been a block put into his subconscious:
wiki said:
I don't recall Karla encountering this in her cases.