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Here's the thing Truthseker. I know how hard of a time I had getting to where I am. I have a 9th grade education and a GED. I was always smart and always read though. It still comes out here, as I cannot write all that well, in an academic intellectual sense. I can not even begin to tell you how much time I have spent on practical study to keep up here- history, politics, some science, some myths, etc. I am not saying that they are not ever going to get it, but I do think that the chances are slim. I paid all and paid in advance. I pretty much have done nothing but read for the last six years to digest enough of everything to flip my magnet. I lost everything, but it was a do or die type of thing. Life or death. I was stuck in nigredo/dabrowski ambivilance so I had no choice- psychosis or suicide was no option.


I just do not see very many people doing more than that even , to make it, especially when they are more damaged and less educated. It is a shame to me, because there has got to be a way to get people healed enough though some type of video for both spiritual and psychology concepts and instruction to get them stable enough to up their reading skills to go further. I just cannot figure out how to do it yet.


Added: And the amount of spiritual material and reference was ghastly. I gave up on that early in life as many do who have been abused. Never heard of the divine feminine, never read the bible past the little I did to know I ddnt like it,, no clue what a gnostic or sufi was. No myth references. To actually see things that are GOOD- you have no idea how much that means to someone who has never seen "good"


Laura was the first really "good" person I ever saw.
 
Laura said:
I think that the main thing that needs to be spread, far and wide, is the issue of psychopathy because I think that all of this horror emanates from psychopaths.
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If memory serves, there was at one time a project called 'Psychopaths for dummies' or something like that. Never heard much about it ever since.

Maybe, this material we're discussing now gives sufficient impetus not only to revive that project, but also to include case histories and real life examples based on the current topic and related stuff such as the Franklin case (already mentioned) and so on. To make it as much in your face as possible with ample attention for the victims and their plight because of cold shoulders, neglect, disbelief, ridicule, blaming the victim and what not.

Also, there should be self help groups for those victims who are worst off in terms of education, in order to organize mutual comforting support and healing. Might be a project for FOTCM?

Just some thoughts...

Hope this helps out those who want to DO something positive with this mess...
 
Daenerys:

Have you ever thought of starting a group made up of the women you already know? If you start such a group, you will have created a forum where you can offer the members of your group the information you feel they need to know in a way that they will be able to understand.

In such a setting, the women can voice what it is they want for themselves within a structure that can offer stability, understanding, and friendship.

There is always a way to get the information across if people are motivated to learn.

There's art, music, improv, videos. There could be topics that the members of the group may wish to discuss if they trust each other enough, or eventually trips or projects they'd like to do together.

It seems from what I have read from your posts so far is that the structure of what you want to do does not yet exist. Create it yourself. Just that act of creation will, in itself, send a powerful message to those you wish to reach.
 
What about inviting them over to watch the EE DVD and do the routine? We can make copies of the DVD available for you to share at no cost.
 
Laura said:
What about inviting them over to watch the EE DVD and do the routine? We can make copies of the DVD available for you to share at no cost.
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I have several of them doing EE. Most everyone I talk to are in different states, or several hours from me. Only one is still here.
I have met most of these women through work ( I used to work nationally) or via the internet, or I grew up with them. All of them have internet and can access the EE site. I do not want to take anything I do not really need.
 
Hey D,

Have you tried sending them Sott links? I'm thinking specifically of the one's linking to diet and videos dealing with ponerology - it may be easier for them to understand some concepts if they're in video form as opposed to written.
 
SeekinTruth said:
I mean if this could get wide circulation, wouldn't large numbers of people really say "STOP?" Maybe shut down countries' economies until justice is served? I don't know, I have this deep urge to find some way of stopping this EVIL, and getting all the "normies" to know about it, acknowledge it, and say "NO MORE!!!" I don't know.... Of course, the media plays as key a role in the cover up and spin as the judicial/political system, law enforcement, etc. Without the media's role, I don't think these cover-ups would be so successful. :/
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As I mentioned before, I really think that as a result of most peoples decency, at thier core, even presented with evidence - the 'assimilator' part of consciousness will just shut down, and won't accept behaviour like this as possible....possibly connected with this is the 'common "wise" phrase' "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all"

I do agree that media is complicit, but that goes to who owns the media, OSIT.

Laura said:
hat's one that makes the heart so heavy: that you do what is right and the system is such that doing this often only makes things worse. Sometimes, vigilante justice doesn't sound like such a bad idea.
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I've had this thought for a few years, kind of in the background of consciousness...simmering if you will. I am a SciFi buff, and a quote/philosophy of the protagonist from a great series is: "Sometimes to do what is right, you first have to do what is wrong." I have had moments of fantasying/wishing that I have superpowers to surgically remove this particular 'cancer' from the planetary organism....:::sigh:::

Laura said:
I think that the main thing that needs to be spread, far and wide, is the issue of psychopathy because I think that all of this horror emanates from psychopaths.
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I agree. Ever since Political Ponerology came out, I have been very vocal about this issue. My 'goal', is that people around, but not part of, the conversation will think that I am overstating things and research to prove that 'loony fellow' wrong.

Kris
 
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I have several of them doing EE. Most everyone I talk to are in different states, or several hours from me. Only one is still here.
I have met most of these women through work ( I used to work nationally) or via the internet, or I grew up with them. All of them have internet and can access the EE site. I do not want to take anything I do not really need.
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Could you set up a regular time to have a conference call once a week or so? That way everyone could be connected no matter how far apart from each other you are geographicaly.
 
Daenerys said:
Ana, I think we are having misunderstanding. I do not know how to correct it. I am stating things as they are right now. I do have an open mind and maybe things will change. That is not the line of force of what I am trying to communicate though.
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Well, I see now that I was not right, you were just caring for those in need, expressing your concerns and wondering how to help, so sorry for adding confusion with my speech :)
 
For the issues raised by Daenerys, I think that the real start to healing, as mentioned, would be practicing EE regularly. This doesn't take any intellectual effort. It has lots of subconscious processing and benefits. It has physical detoxing effects -- important in itself, but even more so, I think, for such traumatized people who probably spent the good part of their lives not only adding emotionally toxic activities to their lives, but physically toxic activities (e.g. eating nasty stuff for emotional relief, substance abuse, etc.).

The other thing that came to mind was mentioned by Palinarus already: The "Ponerology for Dummies" (working title) project. Political Ponerology is a really difficult read (unfamiliar terminology, etc.). But if it could be presented in a way that is more accessible to a wider audience, it could work wonders. In situations like these horrific abuse cases where society continues to abuse the victims by the way they treat them when they speak up, understanding pathocracy, the ponerization process, and the gist of what L lays out in PP, could really give them a boost. Having a historical narrative where highly qualified researchers put their lives on the line to study and explain what the hell is going on in the world regarding the genesis and propagation of evil could really give these victims an important step up.

Maybe a video of the simplified text of Ponerology along with case studies of actual victims would be able to help them in ways nothing else can. Just putting it out here to see what others think.

One last thing, diet information in easy to understand formats could go a long way in improving their health and thinking capacity, when a proper diet is adopted. SOTTReport already has a short video that goes into the basics of the dietary issues:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kulpPMhaq5o

I don't really know how realistic it is for them to make the dietary changes, but that would have the added benefit of saving money on food bills in the long run, and include the lessening of unhealthy cravings of all types.
 
truth seeker said:

Hey D,

Have you tried sending them Sott links? I'm thinking specifically of the one's linking to diet and videos dealing with ponerology - it may be easier for them to understand some concepts if they're in video form as opposed to written.
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I have tried some of that. The problem I face with some of these women is that I am having to address things from such a starting from scratch point that it doesn't always work. For instance, to send some one a video on paleo when they have no concept that one can eat that way and be healthy, and they have been raised on cola and cereal does not do a lot of good, as their belief system shuts it down. The women I have made progress with have been hearing me talk for a couple of years and have seen my progress.
That usually opens their mind. Here in the south USA in the poorer areas,and I grew up this way also, cola for breakfast lunch and dinner is standard. So are all processed junk foods . My Nana { grandmother) used to give me doughnuts for breakfast all the time- and while doing it told me how good they were for me- they have eggs, and flour in them- :scared: Same with ice cream- it's healthy- you can get your calcium!


webglider:
Have you ever thought of starting a group made up of the women you already know? If you start such a group, you will have created a forum where you can offer the members of your group the information you feel they need to know in a way that they will be able to understand.
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I have thought about it. The main issue I see is how to structure it. My issue is this. Most of these people have told me deep personal issues they will not discuss with anyone else. Trust is so important. I would have to figure out a way to do it so they would not suspect the thing that binds them as a group.
Could you set up a regular time to have a conference call once a week or so? That way everyone could be connected no matter how far apart from each other you are geographicaly.
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Same issue as above. I have to find a reason to group these people together around one core thing that does not breech their trust in any way.


Well, I see now that I was not right, you were just caring for those in need, expressing your concerns and wondering how to help, so sorry for adding confusion with my speech
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No problem :)


Most all of the women respond to the idea of psychopathology. Those discussions sometimes lead to hyperdimensional ideas, sometimes not, depending on the person. In order to make things into a working system, one has to understand it. For example, it has taken quite a bit of discussion on EE to get some to do it. One has to understand, that meditation of any kind is not something that is normal or heard of for many of these women. It was not for me either. That's something those people from India do, don't ya know? And what will I tell Billy Bob when he comes home with his case of beer and see's me breathing? He's liable to think those evil arabs have slipped me an evil idea and that there stuff is from terrorists! :) ( I am really not too far off base with that, as insane as it sounds)


I am just going to have to keep thinking and thinking. I amsure there is a creative solution somewhere, I just have not found it yet.
 
Why not create a community center? A place where these women can go, participated in any kind of activities that they will control, give power to them to decide what sort of activities, in association with other groups?

Some years ago I participated in the born of a community center in a neighborhood that was considered very violent, with alcoholic families, and surely abused children but I was not aware of that subject at that time. It took me more than two years to convince some women to create an administration counsel in vue of the future creation of a community center. Meetings, talkings, reunions, etc. took place almost every day and finaly I convinced some women for the creation of the administration counsel. Then the creation of a community center where we did many activities with women of the neighborhood and their children. I received some help from the government as subventions. Very little money. The fact is that it was difficult to bring women at the center but not impossible. When people feel that they are responsible for their little center they feel they have power. It took time to convince them that the center was for them, an instrument to help them and their children. I know the differences with your women, and I don't know if you have yet a little center where they can come and go. Maybe this is not applicable for your women, who suffered so much. I don't know. But surely something can be done.
 
Loreta, I think that is a wonderful idea, but the women all live in different places. I agree though, there is something that can be done, just have to figure it out,
 
Daenerys said:
Loreta, I think that is a wonderful idea, but the women all live in different places. I agree though, there is something that can be done, just have to figure it out,
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Yes, I forgot their physical location was a fact. But it can exist one physical center with computers that permit a virtual center. Ah, if we had money to realize some dreams to help others! Money is there but the politicians don't want help people. Really, I think that psychopaths have to be destroyed. I pray for a big comet falling on the earth.

I wish, from the bottom of my heart, that your women will received one day the help they need.
 
Well, I don't think I'd get into hyperdimensional issues; sticking with genetic psychopathy as an explanation is sufficient. Since you are talking about people with very low educational/understanding levels, I think you can break that down to "studies have shown that some people are born with defects in their systems that amount to them having little more than animal level emotions, mainly those of crocodiles" or something like that. Best not to get into some mystical/religious/hyperdimensional explanation.

Have you read "The Myth of Sanity"? Perhaps writing to Martha Stout for guidance might be an idea? Or George Simon?
 
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