EgyptAir flight MS804 disappears from radar between Paris and Cairo

[Bobo08]

Channel 7 in Australia shows a video of a meteor fireball, claiming that it is in the region the plane went down.

http://video.dailytelegraph.com.au/v/462482/Unverified-footage-showing-a-fireball-in-sky

 

[Ca.]

Assuming this report is true:

Greek officials disputed Egypt's claim that Greek authorities found floating wreckage, including two life vests, from an EgyptAir flight carrying 66 people that crashed into the Mediterranean early Thursday en route from Paris to Cairo.

EgyptAir said the Egyptian foreign ministry confirmed in a letter to the Cairo government that Greek searchers found the debris near the Greek island of Karpathos. But within an hour of that report, Athanassios Binis, head of Greece’s Air Accident Investigation and Aviation Safety Board, told state ERT TV that “an assessment of the finds showed that they do not belong to an aircraft.”

While boat life vests and plane life vests differ somewhat, I wonder if some of the debris they found actually belonged to any of the many refugees who drowned in the Mediterranean trying to reach Greece...

http://avherald.com/h?article=4987fb09&opt=0

In a press conference Egypt's Civil Aviation Minister said, Egypt continues to call the aircraft "missing". The Government does not rule out any cause as of yet, neither mechanical failure nor terrorism.

Greek Authorities reported at 14:55L (12:55Z) that search aircraft have spotted two objects floating on the sea surface about 50nm south of the last transponder position and about 230nm southsoutheast of Crete (Greece). The objects were white and red and appeared to be made of plastics. Authorities subsequently reported two orange objects also seen appear to be aircraft life vests, position near N33.3 E29.9 (about 40nm east of last transponder position).

At 19:10L (17:10Z) Egyptair confirmed that according to Egypt's Ministry of Foreign Affairs (parts of) the wreckage have been located crashed in the Mediterranean Sea. Families of passengers and crew have been informed, the airline expresses their deepest sympathies. The Egyptian Investigation Team continues to search for other remains of the aircraft.

On May 20th 2016 about 00:00L Christiane Amanpour (CNN) tweeted that Egyptair's Vice President retracted the statement, that debris of the aircraft had been found and said they were mistaken. However, Egyptair did not retract such statements on all their official outlets, on their main website the statement was reposted instead with timestamp May 20th 2016.

Dam if don't look like a life boat, if it is possibly related to this event.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7idEry0X9w
Debris seen from search ship Maersk Ahram (Photos: Tarek Wahba):

 

[loreta]

C.A. I am unable to see the pictures?

What is very, I don't know how to say it, very ugly or very strange, is that France, that is always the first to accuse terrorists for everything, now France refuse to say that this accident is a terrorist attack. Is this accident a threat to France because of the futur Euro-2016? The Minister of Exterior said:

Nous sommes engagés avec toutes nos forces [...] pour assurer la sécurité de tous ceux qui vivent et qui viennent en France et qui viendront notamment en France à l'occasion de l'Euro-2016.

"We are committed with all our strength [...] in assuring the security of all who live and come in France and for those who comes in France for the Euro-16".

 

[Gary]

Egypt 'confirms finding the wreckage'

"EgyptAir resource stated that the Egyptian Ministry of Civil Aviation has just received an official letter from the Egyptian Ministry of Foreign Affairs that confirms the finding of wreckage of the missing aircraft No. MS 804 near Karpathos Island.

In a series of tweets the airline said that investigators found floating materials likely to be wreckage, life jackets and plastic debris.

Er, Karpathos is about 250km northwest of the 'last confirmed location'. I don't think debris could drift that far in 12 hours.

Also, there's no way you could 'confirm', without extracting and examining it, that spotted wreckage belongs to this or that.

Yes indeed. It looks as if the original statement was 'lost in translation'.

While conflicting reports as to the discovery of MS804 wreckage continue to come in, a source explained to Xinhua that confusion over EgyptAir’s press release, in which the airline seemed to confirm that debris from the plane had been found, had been the result of a mistake in translating Arabic.

“In the Arabic version, we only spoke about the possibility that the objects found might belong to the airplane,” an unnamed source within the airline stated.

The statement in Arabic hinted at the “possibility of finding parts of the missing airplane,” and was wrongly translated into English to imply that the missing plane’s wreckage had actually been found, the source said. The statement was also posted on the airline’s FB page, prompting even more “confusion.”

https://www.rt.com/news/343512-egyptair-missing-flight-search/

Well it does add to the confusion, but is it all purely accidental/incompetence or is there an element of deliberate dis/misinformation going on here? From the outset there have been conflicting reports on the time and location of the plane's disappearance from radar, and the 'fire in the sky' video (probably debunked here: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/debunked-missing-egyptair-flight-ms804-8005744) was carried quite quickly by several news outlets.

 

[Gary]

Assuming this report is true:

Greek officials disputed Egypt's claim that Greek authorities found floating wreckage, including two life vests, from an EgyptAir flight carrying 66 people that crashed into the Mediterranean early Thursday en route from Paris to Cairo.

EgyptAir said the Egyptian foreign ministry confirmed in a letter to the Cairo government that Greek searchers found the debris near the Greek island of Karpathos. But within an hour of that report, Athanassios Binis, head of Greece’s Air Accident Investigation and Aviation Safety Board, told state ERT TV that “an assessment of the finds showed that they do not belong to an aircraft.”

While boat life vests and plane life vests differ somewhat, I wonder if some of the debris they found actually belonged to any of the many refugees who drowned in the Mediterranean trying to reach Greece...

I think that is quite likely. :(

 

[Shared Joy]

I might be wrong, but I recall a past session, February 27th 2016, when the Dyatlov Pass incident was discussed that fireballs were seen - and the C's said that the alien scout was probing portals. Maybe, here too, a portal or a window was open and the plane went through it. Given the fact that no distress signal was received, nor wreckage found, something less usual might have happened.
Just my thoughts.

 

[Altair]

By the way:

ICTS France is re-awarded the contract with Aéroports de Paris at Charles de Gaulle and Orly airports

16 March 2015

Aéroports de Paris (ADP) re-selects ICTS France for the provision of security services at Charles de Gaulle Airport’s Terminal 2 E and at Orly Airport. The contract also sees the expansion of services provided, with the start of new ICTS operations at Charles de Gaulle Airport’s Terminal 2 G in April 2015.

ICTS France has been working for ADP since 1999, a partnership which initially started at Charles de Gaulle and later expanded to include Orly Airport. This new 7-year contract, (3-year with the option to extend for a further 4 years), will see ICTS responsible for hold baggage screening and personnel checkpoint services at Orly Airport and passenger checkpoint services at Charles de Gaulle’s prestigious Terminal 2 E (including satellites S3 & S4) and Terminal 2G.

Source: _http://www.ictseurope.com/media/news-pr/icts-france-is-re-awarded-the-contract-with-a%C3%A9roports-de-paris-at-charles-de-gaulle-and-orly-airports

The flight 804 departed from Terminal 1, though.

 

[Jeremy F Kreuz]

The US State Secretary John Kerry traveled on Wednesday May 18th to the presidential palace in Egypt. In news “The US secretary of state has held talks with the Egyptian president in Cario on the country’s political situation and peace proposals for the region, including the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.” Translating from the political doublespeak into English: The US and Israel tried to push Egypt to drop its support for the upcoming UN Palestine resolution. Israel has even tried to bribe the Egyptian leaders, by announcing during the meeting that “Israel may forgive half of Egypt’s $1.7b gas fine for a gas pipeline explosion in el-Arish, Egypt in July, 2012.” And this is very important: “Kerry: Egypt key regional partner by Jerusalem Post Israel News – ‎18 hours ago‎ Kerry’s brief visit fueled speculation that a behind the- scenes US-Egyptian-led peace process with Israel and other regional partners was in the works, which would circumvent the highly publicized French initiative to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. ”

Apparently, the US and Israel didn’t get what they want from Egypt, that’s why the passenger airliner went down in a suspected “terror attack.”

http://thesaker.is/egyptair-flight-ms804-crash-is-prequential-to-the-us-war-on-egypt-by-scott/

and this today on sputnik - The Hamas movement has fired two rockets from Gaza in the Mediterranean Sea, local media reported.

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160520/1039937169/hamas-fires-mediterranean-rockets.html

 

[Alana]

All Greek news-sites report that no wreckage was found of the EgyptAir flight. Also, the french minister of foreign affairs is saying that they are looking into all possible reasons for the crash, because they have no evidence to point at a particular scenario. So to me it seems that whatever have caused the disappearance of the plane, it wasn't planned by certain powers/groups, because they don't sound to have a narrative ready to sell to the press. Or so I think at the moment. We'll see with more info coming in.

 

[Regulattor]

Since Greek authorities dismissed that debris shown yesterday via MS media are from flight MS804, latest official Egyptian stance is:

It’s a race against time for investigators to find out what happened to Egyptair flight MS804. Egypt’s president Abdul Fattah al-Sisi has ordered the aviation ministry and military to take all necessary measures to locate the debris.

So that they don't have any piece of plane or what was on it found.

I didn't really go thru all posts here in detail, but haven't saw that this was noticed. This information was published on RT, but it seams that they have deleted it after it was published on other news portals that distress call was detected 10min before radar lost contact.

The Egyptian Civil Aviation Ministry has said an Egyptian military unit received a distress call from the aircraft at 4:26 a.m. Cairo time (0226 GMT), according to Reuters.

If this is correct then it means that distress call has been received two hours after lost radar contact!?! It could be some clue?

However latest news is that Egyptian Air force have discovered plane debris and passengers 'belongings'
_https://www.rt.com/news/343731-egyptair-debris-found-sea/

 

[bjorb]

Terrible that this is happening on a continuous basis.

[quote author= Alana]So to me it seems that whatever have caused the disappearance of the plane, it wasn't planned by certain powers/groups, because they don't sound to have a narrative ready to sell to the press. Or so I think at the moment. We'll see with more info coming in.[/quote]

I think so to, and if this plane truly disappeared. The PTB should be real nervous.

I rather see Airforce One disappear like that.

 

[casper]

Scary, EgyptAir stewardess Samar Ezz Eldin (left) posted a picture of an air hostess in front of a passenger jet crashing into the sea behind her (right) on her Facebook page. The 27-year-old was among the first passengers and crew on board Flight MS804 to be named

Samar Ezz Eldin had this profile photos 2 years ago just after she started working at EGYPTAIR

 

[Yupo]

Now word (on TV a few minutes ago) is that 'they' have found plane parts, bodies and luggage.

 

[Alana]

Now word (on TV a few minutes ago) is that 'they' have found plane parts, bodies and luggage.

That's what I was just reading too:

EgyptAir debris, body part, passenger belongings found, Pres. Sisi offers condolences to families

A body part, two seats and suitcases from the EgyptAir Airbus A320 have been found by Egyptian rescuers, Greece's defense minister, Panos Kammenos, said later on Friday. Greece has been notified about the discovery by the Egyptian authorities, he told journalists in Athens

"Regarding the outputs of the research, we have been briefed by the Egyptian JRCC (Joint Rescue Coordination Center) – and that was also announced to the media – about the discovery of a body part, two seats and luggage at the scene of the search, slightly to the south of where the plane's signal was lost. That is to the south and east of where the plane was lost, and further north of yesterday's sighting, that was not confirmed to be debris from the plane."

He also stressed that Greek radars detected that the aircraft had taken a normal course through Greece’s airspace and did not deviate. The radars then spotted sharp turns in the aircraft’s trajectory as it plunged from a cruising altitude to 15,000ft, then disappearing from radars.

The Egyptian military said in a statement earlier that it detected parts of debris and some of the passengers’ belongings while searching for the aircraft's black box, according to Reuters.

The army's statement, posted on its official Facebook page, adds that the search operation is under way, involving naval vessels and military aircraft.[...]

 

[loreta]

On all the situations that they say about what can have been the cause of this tragedy they never say the possibility about a missile. How come? This part of the Mediterranean is full of boats with missiles, or not? Can it be a missile that hit this airplane?

There are a lot of war boats on the Mediterranean.