Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

wanderer said:
Update on my EE practice.

My practice has been spotty for the last 2 weeks, I've just come off a period of intense work on a project that's critical for my financial survival. Long days, falling into bed at the motel completely exhausted, sometimes working through and missing a night's sleep altogether, interspersed with crash and burn days. I've managed to do the full program at least once a week, but many nights I was too exhausted to get through POTS. I would do the first phrase, space out and have no idea what came next. Just listening to the audio seemed like a good idea, but I only heard the first phrase and I was out, so that didn't work. Doing pipe breaths during the day helped a lot.

I think a good way to view this is to think of doing this program as if your life depended on it as well as the life of others. Thinking in these terms does help me to be consistent about doing the breathing and meditation/prayer at a schedule that works best. Also, another good way of looking at it is that doing the program consistently will help you to deal better with your intense work schedule.

I’m going to start using an alarm clock in the morning to wake up early enough to do the breathing exercises before going to work (on the weekly schedule that works best for me) while always doing the POTS daily at night (and sometimes during the day as well). So, just as a suggestion, setting an alarm clock to get you going in the morning might help to maintain consistency .

For me the best time to do the program is when I don’t feel like doing it! Then, when doing the breathing program I’ll make an effort to just let go and really get into the moment of it and not try to rush to get it over with. It’s not easy since a lotta times I’ll rush it but there are those times when I’ll really get into it and connect with my body while doing it. Each breath then becomes what it is, a moment that I’m simply breathing and there are no thoughts of work or rushing to work, or thinking about other things. Then at some point my inner state changes and there is a feeling of renewal and the new day that I’m facing now becomes a day of open possibilities with my energy restored.

Another thing that might help is to think “through” the program as if you already did it and, throughout the day, picture yourself sitting there the following morning doing the program and completing it. This doesn’t mean that you know what you’ll be experiencing when you’re actually doing it the next morning since each time you do it in actuality there will always be a uniqueness to what you’ll be experiencing internally. But picturing yourself doing and completing the program will, I think, at least help get your body into the drivers seat at the schedule you choose for yourself!

It’s like in Judo or the martial arts. You have the fight already won and the opponent soundly defeated before the fight begins. The ending of the fight is where you begin it. But as to what actually takes place during the actual “battle” is something you don’t know since it’s open to all possibilities. In this case I view the “opponent” as my own entropic nature that doesn’t want to make the efforts.
 
kenlee said:
In this case I view the “opponent” as my own entropic nature that doesn’t want to make the efforts.

Thanks for your thoughts, kenlee. It's been a long time since I lived a disciplined life of spiritual practice, and I've let my entropic nature, as you call it, rule my life for too long with predictable results. Time to take charge again. Doing the exercises in the morning is an excellent idea, there's nothing to get in the way then except laziness and procrastination.
 
Nienna Eluch said:
capt.picard said:
a quick one about pipe breathing- exhalation part
does it matte whether you make a "k" sound, "g" sound or the "o" - im working with "o" :huh: :huh:

Hi Capt. Picard,

I'm not quite sure what you are asking here, although others may.

During the Pipe Breathing, you want to make a "Haaaaaaah" sound only with a constricted upper throat so that you are actually sounding like Darth Vader breathing.

In case you haven't listened to it, the different instruction tapes here should be listened to right from the very first one. Laura explains the breathing extensively in these audios.

If this does not answer what you are asking, maybe others can help.

i have listened the audio and i know i must do the "haaa" sound. but this is the case - i can make different restrictions in my throat. try it yourself. when i make a "k", "g" or "o" "position" i am still able to do the "haaa" whrn exhaling.
when i do k , g ,or o i feel a "shift" in my throat - so either way differs from another . i want to say that in either position you can make the "haa".
1. you do the "shift"
2. you say "haaa"
maybe it sounds impossible but its not
i dont know, maybe every way stumulates the nerve.some are maybe not and this is why i am replying here - i dont want to do it wrong.
by by :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
 
anart said:
I think it might be worthwhile to consider that it might be closer to the truth to consider the possibility that 'this moment' will never come on its own. There may never come a 'moment' when you say 'no more' - magically, as if something moves you to do so. In fact, it may be closer to the truth to consider that the moment is every single day and a million 'no mores' - some of them stick, some of them don't - but every single day that battle is through you. As long as you continue to battle, the battle isn't lost, right?

Ye, but I was only speaking about one program. I don't think it will come magically (that was also not what I meant), but naturally as long as we continue to read, network, research, continue the battle etc. I'm dealing with a difficult program and I know you can't stop it magically. You have to understand it, you have to discover what triggers it and it comes from directions you never expected. It comes down to knowledge, which will protect. And if the program continues, it could mean that you missed a gemstone along the way. But also discipline and Will play a roll. And I think that if you have the knowledge and the will to say no more to a program, I think it is possible that you will stop making it run. Or maybe not. Like you said, some stick, some don't.
But I agree with what you say. As long as you continue the battle, the battle is not lost..
 
un chien anadolu said:
Many thanks to Bozadi and hnd...Here are the links to Turkish translations (as subtitles) for Breathing Introduction Audio and Breathing Practice Audio (the audio files have been converted into video files in order to add subtitles).

introductory audio

Part 1 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r85yV8sW9SU
Part 2 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrEQDyhGjXg
Part 3 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgoMN7_PDXY
Part 4 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ_0OWKgnio
Part 5 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nOEWrVHHCU
Part 6 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV5tlRnPQQw

Breathing Practice Audio

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Lu2BYB4_c0

Instructional Video is on the way and will be ready in 1-2 weeks.

Please remove all our material from youtube and do not ever again take it upon yourself to decide to put our material out there with or without modifications without first networking and consulting us.
 
anart said:
When you're raised by a Narcissistic father who expects you to live up to his name - who never sees you or appreciates you for who you are, not for what you reflect onto him, it's almost impossible to feel worthy of anything at all.

It's strange, I always knew he had narcissistic traits, but I never really saw him as a 'class A narcissist' as you put it. I didn't quite grok the full implications. The memories that I shared weren't things that i repressed either, i remembered them, but their context and how they affect me to this day, that remained buried - until now.


P said:
but there's still doubt, still a desire to fight psychopaths, to fight the aliens physically or psychically or with 'superpowers'. To be a bigger, badder STS then they are so I can destroy them. It's silly, stupid, foolish - but there it is.

It's not foolish - it is a logical emotional conclusion of those of us who feel powerless - those of us who were taught to so undervalue ourselves that we dream/think we must be Super Heroes to have any effect at all - that to battle the real Black Hats - to win - to fight the good fight and rescue those who cannot help themselves, we must be Super Heroes. We think this because we have been convinced that we are not worthy, that we are nothing, powerless and that we, as ourselves, can never make that Big difference.

The key is that it's all a LIE - we ARE worthy - the battle is THROUGH US - each of us - in real life and day to day situations. Awakened and in control of our minds, we are powerful - if we weren't, would it have taken thousands of 'years' of effort to keep us - simple humans - in our place?

Keep up the breathing program, Puck - it's making a difference.

Thanks Anart. Your words are most appreciated and timely. Thank you. :flowers:
 
Hi everyone,

Thanks to all who are sharing your experiences. I enjoy reading about them. Oxajil, Puck & Anart most recently, thanks for reminding us that the battle takes place through us and it's within our power to Do and overcome these programs & buffers.

If I do the program in the evening before bed (Mon & Thurs), it keeps me awake for an hour. Last week, I just did the full program on Saturday, but I am still doing the meditation at night and the pipe breathing as needed.

I thought I'd try the 3 stage pipe breathing in the mornings before work and follow that with the POTS meditation after (or waiting until the evening to do the meditation), and also do the full program one day during the weekend instead of on Mondays and Thursdays. I read where Laura suggested breaking up the breathing program throughout the day here: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12837.msg120870#msg120870

Has anyone else experimented with that? Do you think breaking up the program as I have outlined would be okay?

I did the full program last Saturday. I 'zoned out' for about 40 minutes after the meditation. When I 'came to' I felt like I came out of a very deep sleep and my awareness was different. I seemed like I was half awake/half asleep. My mind was absolutely silent! No negative introject, the committee of i's were quiet. When I got up and starting moving around, I did it quietly, so I wouldn't wake them up :lol: It was awesome. The only voice in my head was one that was observing and talking about the things that I just described. I spent the evening with friends, and all the usual programs didn't seem to take hold. They were just passing thoughts. It lasted all evening until I went to bed. The committee returned the next day, but that experience was pure serenity. It was wonderful.

I'm off for a full session of breathing!
 
Laura said:
un chien anadolu said:
Many thanks to Bozadi and hnd...Here are the links to Turkish translations (as subtitles) for Breathing Introduction Audio and Breathing Practice Audio (the audio files have been converted into video files in order to add subtitles).

introductory audio

Part 1 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r85yV8sW9SU
Part 2 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrEQDyhGjXg
Part 3 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgoMN7_PDXY
Part 4 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ_0OWKgnio
Part 5 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nOEWrVHHCU
Part 6 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV5tlRnPQQw

Breathing Practice Audio

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Lu2BYB4_c0

Instructional Video is on the way and will be ready in 1-2 weeks.

Please remove all our material from youtube and do not ever again take it upon yourself to decide to put our material out there with or without modifications without first networking and consulting us.

We will, Laura. It was a serious imprudence as I am fully aware of this now. The youtube account was created by un chien anadolu and I will immediately try to contact him and inform the demand if he has not seen this yet.
 
bozadi said:
Laura said:
un chien anadolu said:
Many thanks to Bozadi and hnd...Here are the links to Turkish translations (as subtitles) for Breathing Introduction Audio and Breathing Practice Audio (the audio files have been converted into video files in order to add subtitles).

introductory audio

Part 1 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r85yV8sW9SU
Part 2 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrEQDyhGjXg
Part 3 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgoMN7_PDXY
Part 4 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ_0OWKgnio
Part 5 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nOEWrVHHCU
Part 6 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV5tlRnPQQw

Breathing Practice Audio

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Lu2BYB4_c0

Instructional Video is on the way and will be ready in 1-2 weeks.

Please remove all our material from youtube and do not ever again take it upon yourself to decide to put our material out there with or without modifications without first networking and consulting us.

We will, Laura. It was a serious imprudence as I am fully aware of this now. The youtube account was created by un chien anadolu and I will immediately try to contact him and inform the demand if he has not seen this yet.

hnd and I are trying to contact him at the moment but his celly is closed. As soon as we contact him, we will remove the videos.
 
bozadi said:
bozadi said:
Laura said:
un chien anadolu said:
Many thanks to Bozadi and hnd...Here are the links to Turkish translations (as subtitles) for Breathing Introduction Audio and Breathing Practice Audio (the audio files have been converted into video files in order to add subtitles).

introductory audio

Part 1 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r85yV8sW9SU
Part 2 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrEQDyhGjXg
Part 3 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgoMN7_PDXY
Part 4 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ_0OWKgnio
Part 5 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nOEWrVHHCU
Part 6 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV5tlRnPQQw

Breathing Practice Audio

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Lu2BYB4_c0

Instructional Video is on the way and will be ready in 1-2 weeks.

Please remove all our material from youtube and do not ever again take it upon yourself to decide to put our material out there with or without modifications without first networking and consulting us.

We will, Laura. It was a serious imprudence as I am fully aware of this now. The youtube account was created by un chien anadolu and I will immediately try to contact him and inform the demand if he has not seen this yet.

hnd and I are trying to contact him at the moment but his celly is closed. As soon as we contact him, we will remove the videos.

A few minutes ago I have contacted him on the phone. He has just got off a plane. He will shortly be home and remove the related videos.

It is definitly not our desire to use the QFS materials against the involved principles. We will be taking the lesson from this incidence and will not do a similar thing without networking through sott_translate. Please excuse our overexcitement.
 
Laura said:
un chien anadolu said:
Many thanks to Bozadi and hnd...Here are the links to Turkish translations (as subtitles) for Breathing Introduction Audio and Breathing Practice Audio (the audio files have been converted into video files in order to add subtitles).

introductory audio

Part 1 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r85yV8sW9SU
Part 2 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrEQDyhGjXg
Part 3 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgoMN7_PDXY
Part 4 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ_0OWKgnio
Part 5 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nOEWrVHHCU
Part 6 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV5tlRnPQQw

Breathing Practice Audio

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Lu2BYB4_c0

Instructional Video is on the way and will be ready in 1-2 weeks.

Please remove all our material from youtube and do not ever again take it upon yourself to decide to put our material out there with or without modifications without first networking and consulting us.

Hi Laura,

Sorry, you're right. We had to contact you in the first place. I was out of town without internet connection, I removed the youtube files right away. We will work within the sott-translation team from now on.
 
Puck said:
It's strange, I always knew he had narcissistic traits, but I never really saw him as a 'class A narcissist' as you put it. I didn't quite grok the full implications. The memories that I shared weren't things that i repressed either, i remembered them, but their context and how they affect me to this day, that remained buried - until now.

Speaking of early experience contexts and how they can affect later life, I have learned that all my 'best friends' in childhood and early adulthood were all, without exception, physically or emotionally representative of my father in some way.

Since I was still an emotional infant, or baby, I was still seeking the feeling of total acceptance and approval from my father.

When I felt I wasn't getting this 'love' and acceptance, I would always use some version of that manipulation that concerns 'how other people should behave towards the people who 'love' them, including crying, sulking, holding a grudge, whining, outright accusations, etc.

Of course, being so stunted emotionally, I didn't realize I was manipulating. I didn't know why I was behaving that way, nor could I see any other way to behave, I just saw that 'unacceptance' was unacceptable and something needed to be done, so I guess that's when the role playing begins in earnest. If I'm not acceptable as I am, then I guess I need to be someone else, however painful this self-denial may be.
 
anart said:
By the way, worthiness is a battle I fight as well - and, you know what? I'm finally figuring out that, at the end of the day, if I'm still here, and still striving to give, then I must be worthy of something - how could it be any other way?

Well, I'm going to venture to say that if you were to ask the forum members who are sincerely trying to work on themselves, how worthy you are, they'd probably respond that you're worth is VERY high, in fact it is invaluable -- in fact you are treasured by all of us for all you've done, continue to do, and the example you've set by how far you've come!
 
SeekinTruth said:
anart said:
By the way, worthiness is a battle I fight as well - and, you know what? I'm finally figuring out that, at the end of the day, if I'm still here, and still striving to give, then I must be worthy of something - how could it be any other way?

Well, I'm going to venture to say that if you were to ask the forum members who are sincerely trying to work on themselves, how worthy you are, they'd probably respond that you're worth is VERY high, in fact it is invaluable -- in fact you are treasured by all of us for all you've done, continue to do, and the example you've set by how far you've come!

Agreed -- I can't imagine what things would be like around here without anart, and its actually comforting to hear that she struggles with worthiness as well. Not that she deserves to of course, but her point was that none of us who struggle with it deserve to either. May we all put that struggle to rest one day!
 
I thought I was done with the dark man dreams but I was wrong. I've had three in the past four nights or so (at least that I remember). The first one had a vampire, the second a psychopath and the third one and then two alien beings disguised/posing as humans. In the first and third it was really just me who either saw them or recognized them.

In the vampire dream, I was rushing to get us (me and my partner) out of the house as I knew he was coming. The second one with the psychopath turned into a horror movie (gory at the end) which is unusual in my dreams and although neither I or anyone else wanted to harm/injure him, I had to kill/really injure him at the end. The last one with the alien(s) was a continuing set of battles that would get rid of them temporarily but then they would come back. If I remember correctly, when they got tired of fighting with me, they continued trying to grab other people.

In reply to Anart's post, I also have the unworthiness program which has been lurking around for the past 24 hours. I think of you and the other members of this forum often and am so grateful for everyone and their continuous hard work.
 
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