Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

Helle said:
Whenever I try to step up my EE program to the full program twice a week, and the meditation every night, I experience an extreme amount of repressed anger, annoyance and agitation, to the point where I can hardly function in my daily life.
As some of you probably have noticed in my latest post, I just can't control it. :-[

I'm right there with you Helle. I repeatedly experience what feels like a disproportionate amount of irritation towards certain people around me. I've tried to keep in mind what Gurdjieff suggested, to "endure the displeasing manifestations of others" as a means of intentional suffering. Often after a period of extreme irritation, it breaks with a good cry and I feel an incredible amount of peace afterward.
 
for some reazon i feel joy and tent to laugh why dont i feel suffering or contempt?
this have been a difficult period of my life in fact one of the worst ones why laugh if i felt so horrible and incapable?
 
veronica33 said:
for some reazon i feel joy and tent to laugh why dont i feel suffering or contempt?
this have been a difficult period of my life in fact one of the worst ones why laugh if i felt so horrible and incapable?

Hi veronica33. Why are you expecting anything in particular at this point? Why can't you just do the program, and if you feel joy just enjoy it, but just do the program?

Everybody is different and we all have different defense mechanisms and some people have much more pain inside them than others. :)
 
I had a dream last night after doing the full E/E program which reminded me of "eclipsing thought centres" too.

It happened quite soon after I went to bed, whereas often it takes a bit to get to sleep.

The dream was a "school" or classroom at least in that there were some rows of desks and I was at one of them. I did not recognize any faces or people but it seemed like, to me in the dream at least, to be with members of this forum. There was a request/instruction. It was like learning/being taught how to utilize 4D bodies (perhaps "astral body" or "dreaming body" - just the sense of non-physical body) and "we" all seemed to be a bit wobbly. LOL. There was a request, simply "short" which to my mind seemed about for someone short to demonstrate how to utilize this "dreaming body" - when someone else got out of there desk and ended up on the floor. For some reason the movement of this other person also caused me to move and I ended up out of my desk and, also, on the floor! LOL. It was difficult to get up off the floor, and at this point heard the request/command repeated "short" (like a voice saying, we wanted someone short) where I am 6'3". At this point the dream ended in a flash but also with some difficulty getting "back" to my body (hence the reference to eclipsing thought centres) as it felt like a zap on my sternum and I physically jolted, 3 times, almost like epileptic seizure (I was distinctly aware of this happening as it is not the first time) until I found myself awake and lying in bed.

The strange thing is there seemed to be a rebound of this "wave" of energy as one of my dogs suddenly had spasms/shivers for a few seconds too, and then I heard popping sounds somewhere in the house, also 3 times! I often hear sounds in the house, just energy moving I guess, but usually just once here and there, this was more than one and seemed to mirror the "shock" felt in my sternum.

Strange indeed. :shock:

~LeoUrsa

Oxajil said:
RedFox said:
I slept lightly, and had some weird old experiences......including something black appearing to my left hand side and grabbing and pulling on my arm. I tried to shout at it (and no sound came out)...so I screamed at it with all my might in my mind and woke up. Reminded me of the eclipsing thought centres Laura posted about......but it was probably nothing.

That reminds me so much of a ''dream'' I had in the past! (Before EE)
I dreamt that I was at a party. Suddenly an old woman was grabbing my left arm. (I somehow felt that this ''woman'' was not part of my dream)
Then I ''woke up'' laying in my bed and my arm was still being hold. I look at the left and I see this girl with black hair sitting on the ground and grabbing my arm pretty tight. She was looking down, so I couldn't see her face. I then hit her on the head (I know, quite mean of me...) and told her to let go. I'm not sure if there came sound out or not.
After some punches... I really woke up.

It all felt pretty real. Strange.
 
Don't mean to be redundant, but THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!! All your insights and comments are SO helpful! These are some that really helped or confirmed similar experiences, thoughts, feelings... or just made me smile and even laugh.

Ailen said:
When you are going down a spiral of negative thoughts about yourself, self-hatred, etc, try to imagine your "Best Friend". It could be an actual friend of yours, or "the forum impersonated", or whoever you would associate with the image of your best friend. Then, think about what that friend would tell you, what piece of advice he/she would give to you. How somebody who really cares about you would talk to you openly to really help you. Best friends don't always say "nice" things. It can be a "wake up and stop torturing yourself, you silly" or it could be sweet and understanding words. It will depend.

Doing this can sometimes help you gain a bit of perspective and respect for yourself.

RedFox said:
I recently started mentally challenging my negative introject with Laura's 'Sez who?'

Very funny AND effective!

Ailen said:
I too went through a pretty rough depression a month or so after having started the EE program. I cried my eyes out for days, and for the first time I felt really strongly that I wanted to die. I would have dreams of what seemed like past lives of being tortured or killed, and then I could not stop having images of children suffering nowadays, or wars, etc. But after a week or so, there was a change. A kind of tranquility and peace. It's hard to describe it, but it feels as "acceptance of the world and a stronger desire to better oneself". Now the depression comes and goes in waves, but it's not as strong as the first time. I can't tell you that it's going to be easy or fast, because it's probably a never ending process. But it does get better. At each "death" you gain a bit more of insight and compassion toward yourself and others.

Thanks, Ailen. Your experiences really helped and inspired, though I haven't had that intense an emotional upheaval with EE, I do recognize some of your experiences with mine from the past (and your overall thrust since doing EE).

Windmill knight said:
There are a few ideas that manage to get me out of the dark loop, and in fact put me in a 'zen' kind of state in which all is good. One thought is, like you say, that while I can imagine everyone I know not liking me, even hating me, I cannot imagine the DCM not loving me, because it is in the nature of the Absolute to equally love angels and devils, the high and the low. So even if I am garbage, at least the DCM accepts me as I am, and this becomes very comforting as I pray every night.

Another idea is related to what you say about self-hating being pure internal considering. When I am in the loop, it is 'all about me', a realization which at first makes me hate myself even more for being so self-centered, but then I begin to regain peace and 'zen' if I try to focus on what the DCM, manifested through all and everyone I know, needs from me. How to love unconditionally. In other words, trying to make the DCM my 'beloved', and when I manage to focus on that idea, my own sufferings start to seem very insignificant and what I get out of life, whether 'good' or 'bad', becomes incidental and of secondary importance. So I feel fine, until after a few days when I get back into the depressing wave.

Today I thought of something else. That precisely because I have been struggling and suffering inside all these months - or perhaps all my life, in a sense - then it is unlikely that I lack a soul, or at least a seed of a soul, because something inside is fighting. That gives me hope that I can become a better person. Although the process seems to take ages.

Finally, a few days ago I also thought that if I wanted to repay to the DCM for my past sins and mistakes, the way to do it was not to live forever in self-punishment, as that does my 'beloved' no good at all, which is all that matters, in the end. On the contrary, I had to strive to be that better person, and learn to love perfectly and truly, without expecting anything in return, as that was the only payment that would do any good at all.

Wow, thanks, Windmill knight.

Brenda86 said:
And I started thinking about how any feeling we have about ourselves can cause us to spiral downward, even "good" feelings about ourselves, if they have no 'grounding'. {...}
But it just clicked when I was reading what you wrote here... the importance of finding 'ground', so your thoughts/emotions about yourself or anything else don't spiral out of control.

Yeah, well put.

Buddy said:
I just wanted to add all this in an attempt to clarify the previous post if needed.

Not really "needed," but definitely helped just like your previous post.

Richard S said:
It seems the more we focus on other people, their feelings and their problems, the less we feel so sorry for ourselves. Try to keep in mind that we are doing what we do here for all of humanity. Yes, we benefit from what we learn here and the EE program and other things, but it is that we are attempting to learn to 'serve self by serving others'. Most of us here are not yet 'perfected beings', so don't think you do not belong here because we are all still learning the best we can.

I try to keep in mind as much as possible what all of humanity is up against. This makes my little personal problems fade into insignificance.
Try it...

Definitely! I have tried it, and will keep doing so. It really DOES work!

Tykes said:
I found this amazingly clear, like a scheme of thought. In the early phase where i think i am, often i find awfully difficult to stay connected as you say, to the ground of objective knowledge. Even sometimes i feel desperate and unable to do or act in favor of anything positive ( i mean, the concepts that now i know are positive in order to get conciusness): When this disconnection happens, in a certain way i realize that i am losing the perspective but while it is ocurring i can´t help it and then that finally traps me and i´m lost again. So when you put it in these terms Buddy you are really turnig on some lights for those people like me who are trying to deal with their narcissistic wounds for the firs time. {...}

After reading the Cass material and some of the psycology works (about the negative introject especially) i could undestand a little bit better issues like that though still is very hard to apply it and the disconnection of the objective knowledge ocurrs quite often. Nevertheless, as i said before i found your explanation very clear, and at this time of my learning process very helpful, Thank you Buddy

Thanks, Tykes, for your post. All of it does get somewhat easier AND accelerates (especially now with EE) as you continue. A lot you will notice and assimilate only after a while. And, like you, I again thank Buddy for tying so many things together.

And maybe a final word on any aspect of "self-hate" programs anyone might be dealing with: your participation here helps others SO much and is GREATLY appreciated! So some more objective reasons to be gentle on yourself and not identify with self or any other hatred. Finally, as the C's have said, and probably everyone has experienced and confirmed: there is no positivity without negativity (and vice versa). The Third Force -- Reconciling / Neutrilizing is SO crucial!

So thanks to everyone participating in the program AND sharing!
 
im never especting to feel bad is just weird to feel exactly the opposite as i said i smell danger ahead and i have to move carefully....

but something changed in my experience with meditation i still cant get in touch with my mind, so far i feel only body changes i need more time
 
For me, the deep diaphragmatic breathing, because it activates the solar plexus, invariably stirs up emotions that have been suppressed. Follow that with the round breathing which pushes one relentlessly past the comfort zone, and those old emotions have no choice but to release and surrender. And then the meditative portion of the program when we return to normal, rhythmic breathing (all the while being embraced in the atmosphere of Soul) allows those emotions (like waves) to cycle out of the system in a gentle way. Today the process included cleansing tears as I recalled patterns of loss and abandonment in my life. Everything about the experience was utterly gracious. I feel so blessed to have been given the gift of Eiriu-Eolas.
 
anart said:
Some of those mornings, I'd wake up feeling like I'd been working all night long! It's really quite remarkable.

Yes, I had one night like that. It seemed I worked through conversations, actually, that I had had in some of my relationships as to pointing out what I had missed. I was not, though, clear enough in the morning to write all of this down. I am hoping I begin to be clearer, remember more and get some details of my dreams written down in the mornings.

Today, the Pipe Breath helped clear some fatigue and also keep me calm when I could have gotten very irritated at a store clerk. :)

anart said:
The psychology books will be a huge helps, especially when it comes to 'acquaintances' who have given up on you - I mean, it's difficult to call such a person a friend. Just keep moving forward - slow and steady - and keep posting! :)

Yes, I've begun reading Myth of Sanity by Martha Stout, and it is an eye-opener for me. I will keep moving forward -slow and steady -and keep posting. Thank you, anart. :)
 
It's really amazing all the shamanic type experiences many of you are having. I hope that you will all read the Graham Hancock thread and see what a difference your experiences are from the drug induced "shamanism."
 
from Leoursa quoting Red fox

Reminded me of the eclipsing thought centres Laura posted about.

I have used the search function for eclipsing thought centres and eclipsing energy centres but only references to the posts of Leoursa and the one from redfox. Can someone point out where I can find the info that Laura posted about eclipsing thought centres. As of late doing the EE I have been having these kind of jolts in my arms and I would like to read up on it.

many thanks
 
So I've incorporated the visualization of the diamond while meditating. a couple of nights ago a saw a flash of light in my mind's eye. Last night, on two separate occasions while doing the EE, I first saw what looed like the headline of a newspaper that said that something was "wicked". While I unfortunately don't remember the full headline, I do remember that It made no sense to me. I continued with the meditation/breathing and then saw what looked like an email or text message on a cell phone (I saw the cell phone as well). That one was referring to a doctor. Both of these happened in a split second.

When I woke up this morning, I also saw two points of light. I may have been in mid blink so I'm not sure where this was coming from. There was definitely no light source inside or outside of the room.

This was also the first time that I did the EE excercise and was exhausted afterwards although I was really tired before I did it.

edit: not sure if this is what you're referring to Jeremy: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12837.msg110428#msg110428
 
Here is the weekly update of progress with the Breathing-Meditation programme.

On both Monday and Thursday, I had tears rather than wet eyes for the first time during the three-stage breathing, and completely zoned out during the PotS, and again at bedtime, whilst reciting to myself the PotS. Similarly, during my morning meditations on PotS, my eyes well up in tears, emotional change is happening, perhaps I am successfully letting go of controlling my-self, now, tears as expressions of successfully removing past painful emotions and experiences, now.

One thing that has crept up, a daily reminder, at first ignored in previous weeks, is itching on my upper arms - both sides. Now this may be a detox reaction, or,
Louise Hay said:
Itching – Desires that go against the grain. Unsatisfied. Remorse. Itching to get out or get away.

Arms – represents the capacity and ability to hold the experiences of life.
And,
Lise Bourbeau said:
ITCHING
EMOTIONAL BLOCK
A physical itch can appear when you want something but won’t let yourself have it. You believe someone is in your way or life circumstances make it impossible for you to fulfil your desire. This preoccupies and exasperated you.
MENTAL BLOCK
Pay attention to what part of your body is itching and what that part is used for. The location of the itch will have a direct metaphysical correlation. As the skin is representative of the outer self, or personality, you may be afraid of what people might think of you if you take what you want. Or maybe you’re afraid of hurting someone’s feelings. Make sure that what you’re itching to do is not simply a whim and that it’s something you want desperately want. If it’s just a whim, let go without wanting to control everything and put it off for a while. If you really want this, identify your fears and take action to face them.

ARMS
… extension of ourselves, … doubt of usefulness. …

Well, I know what that is all about! It’s stubbornness (‘wanting to control everything’) and impatience (‘desperately want’? – I know, I know – slow and easy does it!). I know what I want and I know that I’m resisting letting my-self have it, and that is allowing my-self to fully feel and experience repressed and dissociated emotions in an associated way – the painful, traumatic ones and all, in this life and probably in other lives too. I’m unsatisfied, impatient to (‘itching to get [it] out’) get re-crystallisation to happen, envious of others and their ‘quoted experiences’, and hence doubting my usefulness to both my-self and to others here (very STS). The ‘life circumstances’ – well, I guess that is BEing in a ‘crying state’ when visiting my mother (‘you do not cry or show emotions in public’), and what she will think of me (or her if I have to explain the cause in this life – external consideration comes in here), this Yuletide holiday.

I probably know what my traumatic fears are, it’s appears to be the ‘take action to face them’ that is the problem needing overcoming now, fully experiencing, safely and successfully, my repressed and dissociated emotions. In certain ways, my physical body is showing the way for the emotional centre to follow, by letting go (fight, flight response), in public in this cold weather, in ways that I’m aware of (and can sort out in private) and others are not, yet for the time being. I’m letting go of controlling my-self and moving forward into BEing.
 
It's been a while since I posted and thought I would give an update.

For a couple of months I've been pretty low on energy. It could be detox. I've changed to RO water now and it is so much better. I had a sip of normal tap water to compare and was surprised to notice that I can taste the chemicals in it it! I can't believe I've been drinking it for 30 years.

A couple of times while waking from sleep I've met a rather nasty character. He's reciting an incantation with such hatred it shocks me. The first time I think he was sending two entities to drain my energy, but something went wrong (for them). He seemed infuriated, almost frantic. The second time he was tracking me and when I found out he said "So now you know that I am assigned to you." and tried to push his way into my house while casting a spell.

I mention this because a few days after I felt like I was being purged. I'm not sure if it was the change in water or something I ate but I sensed it was symbolic of some kind of cleansing going on. I'm glad I know how to do the pipe breathing because it really helped. I would breath in, hold... burp. Breath in, hold... vomit. This went on for a few hours until I felt like I had been completely emptied. It took about a week to fully regain my strength.

Anyway that seemed to end the couple of months low energy spell. Now I'm back to making changes. Changing work situations, moved my office, going for jogs, getting back to nature, going to beach etc.

It seemed to be another new beginning. When I first started doing EE lights were going out everywhere, so it didn't surprise me that when I had felt renewed and was making new changes after a lull of 2 months the entire suburb loses power. I really enjoyed it actually and sat down with a candle to do some pipe breaths and listen to the hubub of people outside.

Today doing EE I zoned out towards the end of Beatha. I felt like I was gone for quite a while. Every so often I would check back in and Laura would seem to be starting the meditation section. It appeared I was in some kind of time loop, as I would be gone for quite a while but when I came back to check on my body it would always be the beginning of the meditation. Finally I woke up after what I thought was 30 minutes or an hour and was surprised to hear Laura say something like "Ok we're going to start with a couple of pipe breaths..." The meditation hadn't even started yet!
 
Many thanks to Bozadi and hnd...Here are the links to Turkish translations (as subtitles) for Breathing Introduction Audio and Breathing Practice Audio (the audio files have been converted into video files in order to add subtitles).

introductory audio

Part 1 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r85yV8sW9SU
Part 2 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrEQDyhGjXg
Part 3 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgoMN7_PDXY
Part 4 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ_0OWKgnio
Part 5 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nOEWrVHHCU
Part 6 : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV5tlRnPQQw

Breathing Practice Audio

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Lu2BYB4_c0

Instructional Video is on the way and will be ready in 1-2 weeks.
 
Last night, when I did the Prayer of the Soul, I had some strange "visions." I did 6 pipe breaths to begin and then started deep belly breathing in through the nose, out through the mouth, and went into the POTS. It seemed that I was able to go into a pretty deep meditative state. I started to see some unclear "vision" type things that became a bit clearer. It was somewhat like watching a movie. Each "scene" would last maybe 2 seconds and then dissolve into another. I saw what I thought was a woman; then some gentle swirling type patterns, and then a Gray. It was as if 1.5 to 2 seconds after I saw the face of the Gray, there was a zoom into his right eye that dissolved and became a cavern.

Then, a bit later, there was an ark floating in the air. Finally for maybe 1 second I saw a woman, but could not make out her face too clearly. All this was a bit clearer and slower than what I mentioned recently where I was seeing "visions" I could barely make out -- as if there were scenes playing on a screen, but it wasn't clear enough and seemed to be just a bit too fast to perceive any details.
 
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