Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Ollie]

Perhaps the symbolism is....if you push to much you may burn out? Paying attention to what our bodies are telling us seems to be more and more important at the moment. Patience and gentleness....and 'listening' (clear my ears that I may hear) seem to be the keys.
The connection to your shin that was itching is really quite interesting though. Perhaps whatever was causing the itching caused the wire to burn out??

Thanks RedFox for the reminder. ‘Push too much’, ‘patience and gentleness’, are current ‘constant’ reminders that keep coming up from numerous sources along with 'rest', and paraphrasing Lise Bourbeau, ‘allowing myself enough time to recharge my-self to embark on the next step towards a new destination, wanting to take steps prematurely, doing too much’, and ‘preoccupation and exasperated by wanting something and other than allowing my-self to have it; if you really want this, identify your fears and take action to face them.’

I definitely relate to this, what I now do is put it into practice, facing my fears that are thwarting: patience; being gentle to my-self; taking time to recharge my-self; anticipation and exasperation at wanting a particular outcome achieved; ‘trying’ to do too much; and above all else, letting go. The latter is the big, big lesson that probably encompasses all the rest.

As I said, thanks for the reminder RedFox.

I’m now off to start putting it in to practice. If anyone has any good ideas on how to do this, putting letting go into practice and resting, they are welcome.

 

[treesparrow]

Motivation is a major hurdle for me mainly down to my physical condition which quite often results in tirednes, fatique and general ennui. I hope this is not begining to sound too much like a big time whinge, but I've spend 18 years trying alleviate my medical condition and tried just about every unconventional (and conventional) purported remedy out there without any real long term success. Consequently I've a somewhat jaded and jaundiced view of things regarding cures/palliatives for this illness. My uncle had the same physical symptoms, restricted torso and head/neck movements and it seems likely there's some genetic factor involved. Sometimes, it just seems to be the way things are 'designed' on this planet - to break you, either mentally, emotionally, spiritually or physically.

I really agree with you on this. And if you read the book by Sidney M. Baker Detoxification and Healing, you will find that, yes, genetics is a factor in what diseases we get or don't get. And when you add i all of the toxins in our food, water, air we breath, space we live and work in - criminy, it's no wonder we are all in sad shape.

You may find that book to be very informative. Have you looked at the Diet and Health section here? Have you tried the UltraSimple Diet and eliminating various foods from you diet and then bringing them in one by one to see if you have a reaction to them? Are you taking supplements?

Hi Nienna Eluch, thanks for your detailed response to my post.

I have in fact recently ordered the detoxification book by Baker after seeing it mentioned on another thread somewhere. I have also read some of the topics covered in the Diet and Health section which resulted in me giving up grain based foods (except organic brown rice) sugar and milk. Most of my food is organic produce. I started on the UltraSimple Diet at the end of last year and still experimenting with different foods as regards possible adverse reactions to them. In addition I have taken supplements as suggested in the book Detoxify or Die - vit c, lipoic acid, magnesium, selenium and so on.

I have in the past tried different detox and fasting methods without much joy. I suppose I'll just have to wait and see what this latest attempt will bring (and try to be patient without becoming frustrated over slow progress)

 

[RedFox]

I definitely relate to this, what I now do is put it into practice, facing my fears that are thwarting: patience; being gentle to my-self; taking time to recharge my-self; anticipation and exasperation at wanting a particular outcome achieved; ‘trying’ to do too much; and above all else, letting go. The latter is the big, big lesson that probably encompasses all the rest.

As I said, thanks for the reminder RedFox.

I’m now off to start putting it in to practice. If anyone has any good ideas on how to do this, putting letting go into practice and resting, they are welcome.

Well fwiw over 15 years ago now I use to have a voice in my head keep telling me that 'I needed to let go'.....of what I never worked out. I never questioned this until now, as what you wrote reminded me of it.
Realising the whole thing is a process helps no end. Understanding that things have happened to us to mess up the natural flow of these normal (but scary because we are not use to normal) processes (like experiencing powerful emotions) also helps a lot. Trusting your natural processes (like emotions) by understanding whats gone wrong in the past, and observing how they function now is the key to 'letting them happen'....rather than 'letting go'.

I had the idea of listening to your body on my mind and have been asking for help in the POTS, with things in general but also my understanding.
I dreamt last night of being frustrated and lost and angry and conused....of walking in circles and backtracking my route....because the way forward seemed blocked.....either by houses or after that by a sheer drop/cliff. Seeing myself from above at this point it was suggested (from somewhere) that this is a natural process, and that perhaps I should trust my natural instincts? I ran back towards the place I had appeared blocked flapping my arms like a bird and jumping......people where excited by this, some tried to dissuade me too....but I persisted and the second attempt I made it off the ground slightly....the third I stayed in the air a little longer still...and I could see the path unfold beyond the houses and cliff......I needed to be strong/practiced enough to fly over that ocean. Just like a bird leaving its nest.

Potentially I guess 'trusting your natural instincts' could be a trap...given that they have been corrupted and twisted......but perhaps when you've gained enough knowledge (and continue to do so through observation)....you can start to trust the process...and things will start to happen naturally as they should. Like learning to breath properly......or flapping enough (through instinct) to fly.

Finally the best way to have patience with yourself is be your own guardian. To be both your parents. To be nurturing, supportive and protective of yourself. If you can love yourself unconditionally like a parent/guardian/protector should, then patience doesn't even enter your head. You are happy when you child move forward and learns, whilst looking ahead to see if they might fall or trip over something, and picking them up when they do. All the time offering guidance and support and course corrections......and letting them explore and learn at there own pace. Embrace the role of both parent and child. Learner and guardian.
Sometime your learner may toddle off in the wrong direction and get frustrated that they seem to be going backwards (the parent may know that they have to back out of a dead end to go down the right path....but the child doesn't understand and just sees everything going backwards).....so be the parent, and ask for help during the POTS. fwiw

 

[Harold]

Hello All,

Harold here. A few questions about fine tuning my EE program, your comments are appreciated.

1) Bathing befor or after EE? ...thoughts
2) Eating befor or after EE?.... thoughts please
3) Facing North, South, West or East during the EE program..... any thoughts?
4) This is more technical, but how do I save the free EE videos and audio. I basically keep the page open, having played them befor hand, I can go off-line and take it to the room where I do my EE and replay it, but my computer crashes and I have to replay all the EE stuff just so it is there for when I go off line to listen to it.
5) When Laura says to say"Ha" in the bah hah part. I say ahhh instead, as when I say hah, it engages my diaphram to. So just saying ahhhhh, engages my throat thingy alone which is what I understnad is the purpose.

Thank-you Laura and everybody involved with EE, it is really , really great. When I am more active here, I look forward to sharing my experiences with it. In the mean time I am journally about it a little.

Sincerely,
Harold

 

[Laura]

Please read the EE thread for advice and fine tuning! Post your questions there.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12837.0

 

[Kila]

I have been practicing EE for I dunno.. maybe 4 months now. At first very sporadically. Now more consistently, about 2-3 times a week. I also just ordered a copy so I can listen to the POTS portion every night with my kids as they go to sleep.

Then I can do the whole program from start to finish.

Sometimes I get in the FIR bag for the meditation portion.

I have noticed some really weird stuff...really since the beginning but it's been really increasing lately. I should probably say also that I am reading the Wave and I'm on the second book. This usually happens the day afterward but it's getting kind of continuous. I will be super hot. Then cold and shivery. I will feel like my thoughts are coming just really really fast and then kind of feel like I'm in fog. Sometimes I will hear a loud humming, usually at night when I'm trying to go to sleep. I sometimes have insomnia (which is really unusual for me) and I feel like.. I'm on fire... which is accompanied by all kinds of really strong emotional states. I want to say excitement.. but that's not even right. Just the whole spectrum. Also all my emotions seem really intense. I will be really angry and then it will just leave. Then I'll feel euphoric so much so I want to cry. Then I'll feel sort of empty and it's almost like a wave will come over me of varying emotions. Kind of sucks at work. Good things my clients can't see me most of the time because last night I was totally in tears for no apparent reason while working on this one woman for about 15 minutes. And sometimes, especially after using the FIR the next day I'll just feel like total crap, tired, headachy, sort of nauseous. I"m thinking Detox? yes? Is it too much maybe? Oh one other thing... I have always been a fast reader but it seems like lately I can read really really fast, not always, but I'll notice... wow I"m halfway through this and it's only been a couple of hours or something and I am retaining the information.

Anyway...it's kind of freaking me out a little bit. Should I back off some? But I sort of feel like it's good and I should just keep going?

 

[Ollie]

I went for a ‘training’ walk this afternoon; my first trip to the hills is but a few weeks away. On getting back to my car I realized that I had a pain just at the base of my left knee. Now it is most unusual for me to have painful knees, even when out walking all day in the mountains. So I took note: stubborn Personality, inflexible attitude, fear of losing control, won’t give in; and the left side of the body is about receptivity, the feminine aspect. The first part (stubborn Personality, etc) is about being right, and being in control, and I take it that this is at the root of other than letting go; the protective armouring keeping my emotions dissociated and detached. The second part, I take as an avoidance of letting help arrive via the Higher Self, of slowing down and ignoring the rhythms of life.

There are three keys to creating a schedule that welcomes the soul: slow down, do more with less, and pay attention to rhythm.
… this is what it means to walk in the woods quietly, sit on at the base of a tree and wait patiently for the shy soul to emerge and make its claim on our lives.

 

[mamadrama]

Anyway...it's kind of freaking me out a little bit. Should I back off some? But I sort of feel like it's good and I should just keep going?

Hi, Kila.

Some of us have noticed that doing the full program twice a week or more can sometimes get things moving a little too quickly for ease of integration. If that's the case, it's recommended to temporarily slow or cease the full program for a while and just continue with POTS daily and pipe breath as much as desired until the intensity has subsided. Then resume the full program when you're ready.

 

[Harold]

Hi Laura, Im confused here.

Please read the EE thread for advice and fine tuning! Post your questions there.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12837.0

I might be wrong, but I assumed that your post after mine was reffering to my post. I went to the link you posted, and it goes to this thread. I also went to the EE FAQ thread and followed Gandalfs posting on where to post questions and it led here also.

So what I think is meant is that the EE FAQ thread is the place to ask questions and this thread is the place to share experiences. Am I understanding correctly?

To share a little of my experience, I have a little pain/cramp under my shoulders in the muscle in my back area, its most noticable when I am doing the deepest breathing, when my hands are on the back of my neck, there is some residual effect through out the day. A little pins n needles during the Warrior breath and the more rapid round breathing. My very first time I tried only the exhale part of the 'Pipe Breath' during a meditation, I had to stop to weep for 5 to10 minutes, it was a great release. Over the years I have had a great many releases just using the exhale part of 'Pipe Breathing'. When employing your full program, or at least the part that you have graciously provided for free, I do recall two separate visions on two separate occasions. Both in the meditation part when my eyes were closed. One was Albert Einstein's face(like a black and white photo) floating around for a few seconds, and the other was a man in a canoe. At the time I recall
thinking about Tom Thompson a artist, who died in Algonquin Park (Im pretty sure) fishing in a canoe. He was sort of famous for canoeing and fishing there. Twice I recall smiling so much so I started to laugh during the meditation part I believe. I have faded out during the meditation several times.

So my experiences that I relate to the EE program, seem to me to be profound, unexpected and very satisfying. I slipped into a dream while reading the 'Wave', I dreampt I was out side of the front of my house on the drive way. I caught a glimpse of a shadowy figure(me I think) looking out of my bedroom window. When I turned to look the shadowy figure shut the drapes quickly. I have shutters on my bedroom windows by the way. I came out of the dream and wondered what just happened as I cannot recall this happening to me while reading before. My first night of sleep after doing Lauras wonderful EE breathing, I was totally startled and sat up quickly as I heard a loud single crack. I feel less anxious. My dog for example, totally whipped out my computer today and a couple of days ago. Very loud and startling. The other day I sort of giggled at myself at not taking better care to dog proof the computer, today I just looked, thought for a second, instead of reacting, and actually said to my dog, "I see your very sorry(which he was ,ears down etc.), no worries!" and just cleaned up the mess. I've been getting thoughts like the other day, while eating..."this is my first meal" I dont get what thats at all. But I thought it and relate it to EE. My breathing is the best it has been in years, that is a really wonderful suprise. I've been getting an idea and vision that if I have a hole in my soul, it is healing! Really really great! I've noticed my smoking has reduced out of no where by a half a pack a day. This is with no intent what-so-ever. And another addiction I have had for years has just dissapeared out of no where and without any intent too, that is wonderful also. I also feel more clear in my thinking and have more energy, all great stuff.

I am very suprised, that compared to other meditations I have used, this one is very straight forward and simple to learn and the results have been the most immediate ever! Thank-you so much for this wonderful meditation. After many years of searching for truth etc. I came to the realization that my work/efforts will go unnoticed, and seeking approval of my efforts, only leads to dissapointment. And that there is a chance that this is going no where. But for the first time, since the EE program and in a very short period of time, I actually sence, subtle energies coming up to me, fixing my bow tie, straightening my collar, and saying something to the effect of....'ok now, chin up, stomach in, shoulders back , chest out, look sharp now! Carry on" With a little pat on the back. To me that is amazing.

Thank-you so much for sharing this wonderful EE program.

Sincerely,
Harold

 

[Psalehesost]

1) Bathing befor or after EE? ...thoughts

I think before is a good way to relax and soften up the body (though warm-up exercises also cover this). I know of no reason why after would be a problem. Before might be of somewhat more use, though.

2) Eating befor or after EE?.... thoughts please

Sometimes do; have not read anything suggesting that this would be a problem.

3) Facing North, South, West or East during the EE program..... any thoughts?

Never mentioned as far as I know, so probably not significant.

4) This is more technical, but how do I save the free EE videos and audio. I basically keep the page open, having played them befor hand, I can go off-line and take it to the room where I do my EE and replay it, but my computer crashes and I have to replay all the EE stuff just so it is there for when I go off line to listen to it.

_http://66.90.101.64/Eiriu-Eolas/ee_intro.flv
_http://66.90.101.64/Eiriu-Eolas/ee_online.flv
_http://66.90.101.64/Eiriu-Eolas/meditation_intro.mp3
_http://66.90.101.64/Eiriu-Eolas/meditation_.mp3

(links disabled - copy and paste them starting at http to get them - as I don't know the reason for these files not being linked directly on the site)

5) When Laura says to say"Ha" in the bah hah part. I say ahhh instead, as when I say hah, it engages my diaphram to. So just saying ahhhhh, engages my throat thingy alone which is what I understnad is the purpose.

In that part you are not really supposed to say anything when the actual breathing starts (Laura is the one doing so), to my understanding. Just a very slight, as you say, "throat thingy"-engaging (but not as much as during the rest of the program, this part not being pipe breathing but rather "normal, deep belly breathing").

 

[aragorn]

2) Eating befor or after EE?.... thoughts please

Sometimes do; have not read anything suggesting that this would be a problem.

For the diaphragm to descend (as in belly breathing) properly and more easily it is in my experience wiser not to eat anything - or at least not much - just before starting breathing exercises or singing for that matter. The diaphragm pushes the inner organs down and outward. That's why the belly expands, not because the belly is filled by air, but because the inner organs shift their position. How much eating effects the movement of the diaphragm is of course highly individual, but for most people a slightly emptier stomach makes things easier.

 

[Laura]

Hi Laura, Im confused here.

Please read the EE thread for advice and fine tuning! Post your questions there.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12837.0

I might be wrong, but I assumed that your post after mine was reffering to my post. I went to the link you posted, and it goes to this thread. I also went to the EE FAQ thread and followed Gandalfs posting on where to post questions and it led here also.

That's because the thread you started with your questions was merged with this one by a moderator. You can distinguish merged threads by the different headers.

So what I think is meant is that the EE FAQ thread is the place to ask questions and this thread is the place to share experiences. Am I understanding correctly?

Perzactly!

 

[Mrs. Peel]

Over the years I have had a great many releases just using the exhale part of 'Pipe Breathing'. When employing your full program, or at least the part that you have graciously provided for free,

I believe the entire program is available for free.

I've noticed my smoking has reduced out of no where by a half a pack a day. This is with no intent what-so-ever. And another addiction I have had for years has just dissapeared out of no where and without any intent too, that is wonderful also. I also feel more clear in my thinking and have more energy, all great stuff.

Are/were you smoking natural, additive-free cigarettes? If you haven't found them, there are several threads on the forum (you can search) discussing the fact that for some people, smoking is actually good. However, if you're feeling more clearer and have move energy without smoking, perhaps you are not one of them. ;)

 

[Guardian]

I realize that a post about the EE Breathing program would normally go on the EE thread, but I did not put this one there because I don't want a casual reader to take this as a criticism of the program....because it's NOT!
I tried the EE Breathing routine before I went to bed last night, and it SERIOUSLY stimulated my appetite.

I do realize it's not the program, clearly a goodly number of people are benefiting from it ....it's me and I know it. I physically react to lots of things differently than most people do...which has always been an issue. I've read the threads where dozens of people have been helped by the EE techniques, and I envy them. What I got was hungry...and I mean wipe out the refrigerator, need to go shopping on a Sunday HUNGRY! 98% of the population can feel the urge to expand their consciousness, whereas I get the urge to expand my waistline. Most other people seem to get life changing, metaphysical experiences....and I get the mega munchies. :(

Unfortunately, the desire to eat is one of the few things I really don't need any help with. Overeating is already on the short list of things I do well.

I do intend to try again as soon as I get back into the garden. I desperately try to restrict my caloric intake in the winter months...and it's HARD when the people you love are great cooks and you get invited to numerous Thanksgiving dinners and Yule feasts. I ate enough black eyed peas on New Years day to choke a moose. While I still exercise over the winter...I go from 6-12 hours a day of hard physical outdoor exercise, to sitting on my rear the majority of the time, 3-4 months out of the year. Increasing my desire to pig out is just not what I want to be doing right now. However, the ground is starting to thaw, it won't be long now :)

 

[Vulcan59]

Hi Guardian,

You are not alone in reporting hunger after doing the EE breathing exercises. Others have reported similar experiences. :)