Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Learner]

Hello Pandora, thank you very much for sharing your story. I felt quite touched by it. I am glad, that EE helps you to process all those things and that you are getting healed!

To update my own excercise history: I feel, that I still need time to work myself through the DCM issue I posted almost two weeks ago. It is also due to my must of focusing on exam next week, that I am not able to "digest" it properly. Regarding the exam, I use Pipe Breathing "smokers" and that helps to calm me down and concentrate better on the stuff that I have to learn.
But the issue Gertrudes brought up and the following discussions have helped me a lot along in terms of how to think of DCM. I only realized later, how much it is of help! So, thanks for bringing that up ;)
I always say the Prayer before sleep, by using the English term for DCM along with saying the prayer (in my own language) in my mind. Because "DCM" sounds for me so much more meaningful, than its translation in my own language. I also sometimes managed to concentrate on the meanings of the words better, and then in the nights I had lots of dreaming.

I also started the diet now, but did only a little step by now: Wheat and other gluten containing products were banned from my menu since last weekend. Will observe, how I will feel without gluten and how it does affect my life in accompany with EE. Then I will take further steps.

I have a quick question regarding POTS and Breathing. I understood it, that while doing POTS, I do NOT pipebreath - only before starting POTS, I do the Pipe Breathing. And while doing POTS, as no PB is done - I breath normally, with belly breathing as well as in through the nose and out to the mouth. Is that correct? Sorry, if it has been covered somewhere else already...
Anyways, thanks for your patience. :)

 

[Alana]

But the issue Gertrudes brought up and the following discussions have helped me a lot along in terms of how to think of DCM. I only realized later, how much it is of help! So, thanks for bringing that up ;)
I always say the Prayer before sleep, by using the English term for DCM along with saying the prayer (in my own language) in my mind. Because "DCM" sounds for me so much more meaningful, than its translation in my own language. I also sometimes managed to concentrate on the meanings of the words better, and then in the nights I had lots of dreaming.

I too find the words of the POTS fuller and more meaningful in my own language. And when i have the hardest time to concentrate, i say them out loud. It somehow keeps me more focused on the words and their meaning. I am not sure if it's the vibration of my voice, the sound, that i visualize, speak and listen at the same time.

I also started the diet now, but did only a little step by now: Wheat and other gluten containing products were banned from my menu since last weekend. Will observe, how I will feel without gluten and how it does affect my life in accompany with EE. Then I will take further steps.

Good start, Learner! :D Step by step is the best approach to take. It will allow your body and mind to gently adjust to the changes. It will however demand consistency and commitment, so as not to fall into old habits again ;)

I have a quick question regarding POTS and Breathing. I understood it, that while doing POTS, I do NOT pipebreath - only before starting POTS, I do the Pipe Breathing. And while doing POTS, as no PB is done - I breath normally, with belly breathing as well as in through the nose and out to the mouth. Is that correct? Sorry, if it has been covered somewhere else already...
Anyways, thanks for your patience. :)

That IS correct. And to took no amount of patience whatsoever to reply to your message, Learner, just so you know

 

[Windmill knight]

I was considering doing the breath work at night before I go to bed... curious of what the dream world may entail. Thank you for the suggestions!

FWIW, I find that doing the full program before going to bed increases the quality of my dreams significantly. That is, they are much more coherent, colorful, interesting and realistic. Still somewhat surreal, but coherent within their own logic.

Recently I dreamed I was being trained by a Samurai on how to catch fish with a bow and arrow.

A couple of days before I was doing some sort of job in Africa and the landscape was amazing: a semi-desert area crossed by a river (the Nile, but on its southern end), surrounded by jungle trees. The river itself was crystal turquoise and had waterfalls.

Some days earlier I was in the Mexican Revolution. And earlier I was in the Middle Ages and the lesser neighboring feudal kingdom had organized an army against us, so I had to run and tell the local lord/king.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that in my experience EE seems to produce some very rich and interesting dreams!

 

[Learner]

And when i have the hardest time to concentrate, i say them out loud. It somehow keeps me more focused on the words and their meaning. I am not sure if it's the vibration of my voice, the sound, that i visualize, speak and listen at the same time.

Hi Alana, this is a really good tool to keep in mind - the tool of speech in cases of lack of concentration. As it can happen a lot, thought loops can run an attack on the mind to prevent it from going further. As I usually meditate before going to sleep, I say it in my mind at least once, so that can I better drift off into sleep then. I discovered, that I find it really beautiful, to fall asleep into the POTS, so it is like it is accompanying me into my dreams. I visualize it as well, so the thought loops do not have the best chance at all. :P By "saying" "Oh Divine Cosmic Mind" (this one thinking in English, before continuing the Prayer in German), it seems to me, that this phrase is surrounded by something that looks like a very fine haze of light.

Step by step is the best approach to take. It will allow your body and mind to gently adjust to the changes. It will however demand consistency and commitment, so as not to fall into old habits again. ;)

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Thank you for encourage me in doing so - yes, doing it step by step will protect me from falling back.

That IS correct. And to took no amount of patience whatsoever to reply to your message, Learner, just so you know

Thanks for assuring me, that I am on the right track! And it's good to know, that it didn't cost any patience for you. :D

Indeed, this "patience" thing refers to an old program of mine, that makes me hesitant to ask for help. This is due to that I think, I would take too much energy from people or they would get angry of me, because I didn't grasp something, that has been covered already. I remember right now a sports teacher, that I had in first class at primary school - he has gotten quite angry with me often, because I couldn't run as fast as the other children when exercising and often needed more time, to understand the rules of a game etc. I sometimes cried because of that and that even made him more outraged. He was not always like that. When he was in good mood, he could be very funny. I remember that before he got his job as teacher on that primary school, he had served at the former GDR army, before the wall had come down. He probably vested the drill he got there onto us young pupils... Or he was stressed to a very high degree - however, after one year he had gone. Later I had other teachers, who were impatient due to stress they had. Outwardly I could better deal a bit better with it by then, but inwardly I felt upset. I guess, if EE had been available to them at that time (in the 90s), they would have been much more calm. :D
Hope, that I am not ranting here that much... I just needed to get that off my chest, as it is part of the process to resolve deep emotional issues. And I also wanted to share this with you. I will put this in front of Divine Cosmic Mind and doing the breathing regarding it, and then I hopefully can let it go...

FWIW, I find that doing the full program before going to bed increases the quality of my dreams significantly. That is, they are much more coherent, colorful, interesting and realistic. Still somewhat surreal, but coherent within their own logic.

That is really interesting! So some of my dreams also go actually. Recently one of my dreams involved a chair - I could see the texture of the wood very clearly. And in some dreams I practiced reasonal thinking, there is one dream in my memory, that I probably will share later on the Dreams Thread.

 

[Mountain Crown]

[QUOTE author=Alana]I too find the words of the POTS fuller and more meaningful in my own language. And when i have the hardest time to concentrate, i say them out loud. It somehow keeps me more focused on the words and their meaning. I am not sure if it's the vibration of my voice, the sound, that i visualize, speak and listen at the same time. [/QUOTE]

I at times say the Prayer of the Soul aloud.

[QUOTE author=The Law of One]We often suggest that entities follow the path of resonance as they seek. Whether it is our words of any other writer or speaker to which the seeker is listening or from which the seeker is reading, we encourage seekers to follow that path of resonance.

Your path of resonance is unique. No matter how wise your teacher or how inspired the writing, there is almost no chance that everything a given teacher or writer offers to you as food for thought will resonate to you. Ideally, those concepts which you follow will be those concepts which, when first read or heard, awaken within a seeker a kind of recollection as though he already knew that but was happy to be reminded of it once again.

In this search for resonance, it is to be remembered that the nature of language is that it is inherently limited. It is twice limited. First it is limited in that words must be strung together to make sentences and sentences strung together to make paragraphs and so forth. Each word has a little universe of supporting inferences which enrich the collection of words due to the context of each word being placed in its line of the flow of thought. Yet they remain finite and inherently limited.

They are limited a second time because the mind does not function according to words but rather according to concepts. Concepts are infinite. However, they can only be expressed by the human mind and gotten out into the outer manifestation of words by a process of translation which works almost like a cook rolling out the dough of a concept and taking cookie cutters to it and fashioning the flat words which bake up into that translated concept.

Needless to say, a great deal is lost in translation. However, there is a redeeming feature to words and that is that they partake, when being pronounced, in the human breath. The action of speaking is one which can move down into the archetypal mind, bringing forth more than words as the thoughtful focused seeker tries out new thoughts and puzzles over concepts as best he can with his human mind. Therefore, the very structure of words is sacred and the breath is sacred so that there is a blessedness if involved in working with words that inspire.[/QUOTE]

It's interesting also that G advised reading his books aloud.

 

[Alana]

Thanks for assuring me, that I am on the right track! And it's good to know, that it didn't cost any patience for you. :D

Indeed, this "patience" thing refers to an old program of mine, that makes me hesitant to ask for help. This is due to that I think, I would take too much energy from people or they would get angry of me, because I didn't grasp something, that has been covered already. I remember right now a sports teacher, that I had in first class at primary school - he has gotten quite angry with me often, because I couldn't run as fast as the other children when exercising and often needed more time, to understand the rules of a game etc. I sometimes cried because of that and that even made him more outraged. He was not always like that. When he was in good mood, he could be very funny. I remember that before he got his job as teacher on that primary school, he had served at the former GDR army, before the wall had come down. He probably vested the drill he got there onto us young pupils... Or he was stressed to a very high degree - however, after one year he had gone.

A big hug to the little you, Learner, that did not find the acceptance then to express in her own time and pace. But you know what? You don't need to think like this around here anymore. No one is going to yell at you or reprimand you, EVER, for being you and navigating at your own unique pace. And i am sorry for your teacher too, because he never took the time to deal with his emotions and probably PTSD, but took it out on little children.

Later I had other teachers, who were impatient due to stress they had. Outwardly I could better deal a bit better with it by then, but inwardly I felt upset. I guess, if EE had been available to them at that time (in the 90s), they would have been much more calm. :D

That is true. So it is our job to make how EE helped us known to people in general, so as to give the opportunity to those who need it to hear about it, find it and use it! ;D

Hope, that I am not ranting here that much... I just needed to get that off my chest, as it is part of the process to resolve deep emotional issues. And I also wanted to share this with you. I will put this in front of Divine Cosmic Mind and doing the breathing regarding it, and then I hopefully can let it go...

That sounds like a good idea. And thank you for sharing with us, Learner. You see, if you haven't written your post, i wouldn't have the opportunity to answer and rely that i sometimes say the POTS out loud, which means Jerry wouldn't have quoted Ra on the subject, which i found very interesting and helpful, and i am sure one way or another other people benefited from this brief exchange. And that's how networking goes ;)

And Thanks Jerry!

 

[Ollie]

Very little to report for this last week’s direct experiences of the E-E Breathing meditation programme, the experiences were similar to the previous couple of weeks.

As reported in another thread, ‘Staying focused during the increasingly difficult times ahead’, I’ve had a series of what I can only describe as ‘asphyxiating attacks’. Whilst checking this out, to see if this was the correct description of what was happening, in Lise Bourbeau’s book it suggested, in the mental block section of the dis-ease, that since this affects the lungs, to look at Lung Disorders, as it is to do with breathing.

From a metaphysical perspective, what follows may be of use to others who experiencing difficulties with parts of the breathing parts of the E-E programme, or not.

LUNG DISORDERS

EMOTIONAL BLOCK
As lungs are managers of air, which is the primary life force, they are directly linked with the desire to live and the quality of life. The lungs carry the life force to every cell in the body. Lung disorders of any kind are an indication that you are feeling depressed. There is an underlying sadness, a feeling of being suffocated by someone or a situation that is keeping you from taking in the life force you need.

You may have a feeling of discomfort, as though you don’t have enough room to maneuver in order to get out of a situation. There may be a fear of suffering or death or of seeing someone else suffer or die. When you harbor thoughts of being better off dead, you lose your desire, or your will to live, an essential ingredient to a healthy emotional body. Fear of dying usually reflects a fear of letting something die away, thus keeping out anything new. Change is always a death of sorts; it can be overwhelming to the point that the fear of change steals any enthusiasm necessary for moving on to something else.

MENTAL BLOCK
Because lungs play such a primary role in the physical body, disorders of the lungs are a vital and urgent message. The more serious the problem, the more critical the message. Your body is telling you to take a deep breath and take a deep breath of life – to fill your lungs and fulfil your life.

Begin to experience with reverence and gratitude the wisdom and wonder that is your life. Realize that only you have the power to smother the fire within you or allow your surroundings to smother you. Fire needs oxygen, and only you can ignite your private fire. Rather than being melodramatic about what goes on around you, detach enough to see the good side of your life – all the potential and all the possibilities for happiness. You alone can grasp this happiness and bring it to fruition with joie de vivre. Establish a more active social life and take the time to practice taking deep and deliberate breaths into your solar plexus each day, preferably outside in the fresh air. Not only will it aid in the oxygenation of all the body cells, clearing your mind and activating the body processes, it will clear you emotionally too.

So, my suggestion to anyone who is/has experienced difficulties with the breathing portions of the programme is to:
‘take a deep breath and become your own self; and by re-establishing contact with your own, powerful, internal strength, your own inner wisdom – ignite your own inner fire’.

This may help, or not.

 

[tomoe]

Some personal impressions regarding EE.

In terms of physical signs of my practicing EE, there was somewhat significant one last night. Well, more specifically, this experience has been amplifying steadily with every another exercise through the last months, but it became very tangible the previous night in particular. Aside from bettering breathing processes – including opening of usually blocked sinuses – my hands, while doing the beatha part, at one point got overwhelmed with such great heat that it even distracted me for a while from carrying on the exercise. This feeling was so 'unnatural' especially due to the fact that my hands are usually cold, even on warmer days. And this tremendous heat (really, naming it 'warmth' wouldn't convey its strength and intensity at all) lessened after the whole exercise.

Another example to the still growing 'how EE helped me' list, indeed!

FWIW, I find that doing the full program before going to bed increases the quality of my dreams significantly. That is, they are much more coherent, colorful, interesting and realistic. Still somewhat surreal, but coherent within their own logic.

In my case it's quite to the contrary, actually. Having done the programme I would wake up on the next morning usually remembering... nothing; well, I'm aware of 'something' having occured but can't recreate it later on. The other thing is that I would wake up much better relaxed and in positive mood and with all new energy.

Thanks for sharing your dreams, Windmill Knight! And looking forward to hearing your preserved one, Alana...

 

[forge]

[..]I at times say the Prayer of the Soul aloud.

[QUOTE author=The Law of One][..]
Needless to say, a great deal is lost in translation. However, there is a redeeming feature to words and that is that they partake, when being pronounced, in the human breath. The action of speaking is one which can move down into the archetypal mind, bringing forth more than words as the thoughtful focused seeker tries out new thoughts and puzzles over concepts as best he can with his human mind. Therefore, the very structure of words is sacred and the breath is sacred so that there is a blessedness if involved in working with words that inspire.

It's interesting also that G advised reading his books aloud.
[/quote]

I would like to share an experience regarding G advising loud words and a little discovery i made while being forced to walk for 21 days to work and back, i turned towards POTS to ease the internal struggle: [i realized this post may sound as selfish teaching. It is also the best i can describe the truth.]

Aloud just as much that you can clearly hear your voice, confident and candid. Try often praying aloud, listen to your voice, unless you need breathing quickly after a strenuous walking.

Plus:
1. praying while walking at a pace where you aren't short of breath, just time your words in between breaths and try to mean what you pray. Your moving-center will balance out the energy in your body during a long walk, plus your praying voice utilizes and your contemplating mind amplifies the energy. You become a walking dynamo, intensifying your life force for days to come if successful.

2. Few pipe breaths first to calm your nerves and bring peace to your suffering mind, then Kneel, palms gently and firmly pressed together, maybe your fingertips touching the place of your third eye, say the words of the prayer. Clean your throat, avoid hoarse or rasping voice, let your vocal cords form clear, benign and loving voice toward yourself. Appreciate yourself, hold your soul in your heart, recognize your humanity, approach God with every loving word you enounce. After a few prayers in this state you may reach Communion. Real feeling of intimate closeness to God. Outside world ceases to exist only your words and mind especially in the forehead you will feel one and connected to God. It is an intimately peaceful and loving place, praying in Gods embrace.

 

[Alana]

Thanks for sharing your dreams, Windmill Knight! And looking forward to hearing your preserved one, Alana...

I am not sure i understand what you refer to here, tomoe. Sorry if it's obvious and i missed it

 

[Bobo08]

I had a rather odd experience this morning when doing the POTS. While listening to Laura's voice and reciting the prayer in my mind, suddenly I was 'gone away'. For a few seconds, I saw a wall with some marks on it. I understood that the marks had been left by knives or maces and that violence had happened here. Then I heard a boy's voice in distress, calling out in my language "And what am I going to do now?" addressing to his parents. Then I came back to the POTS and finished it as usual.

An additional note about what I heard the boy say: In my language, there are many specific variations for personal pronouns depending on the relationship between people in a conversation. In this case, the word "I" was in the form used when someone speaking to his/her parent. That's why I knew it was addressed to his parents.

I don't know what to make of it, so just report it here.

 

[Mrs.Tigersoap]

Recently, when I was resting on my bed and slowly drifting into sleep, I had ideas, images and conversations going on in my head. Then, a special conversation caught my attention. It was a woman, who was apparently reporting to her therapist (I guess) that her husband was really not helpful with their teenage son Billy who was again getting into trouble. When I realize that this had nothing to do with my reality, I came back.

Other than that, nothing much to report. I often headaches and neck pain (apparently, I'm not the only one). This could of course be due to dietary changes.

I find that doing the program just before bed energizes me too much (even if I leave out the three stage breathing) and I have trouble falling asleep, despite melatonin at bedtime and 5HTP during the day. But when i finally fall asleep, I sleep like a baby.

I must also add that I started to dream in other languages more and more recently, in languages I haven't spoken in a while (Russian, German) or only barely know (Spanish). I have dreamed in foreign languages in the past, but not so frequently.

Edit: grammar

 

[Laura]

Sounds like some of ya'll are having those most interesting 4D and/or psychic antennae bleedthroughs. It's interesting, but when you start picking up all the stuff that's flying through the ethers, it can get confusing. Just realize that it is a process of opening the receptors and tuning them. It will sort itself out.

 

[truth seeker]

I must also add that I started to dream in other languages more and more recently, in languages I haven't spoken in a while (Russian, German) or only barely know (Spanish). I have dreamed in foreign languages in the past, but not so frequently.

Thanks for mentioning this Mrs. Tigersoap. Just last night, I had a dream in which dutch was spoken to me (which I barely know), and I understood it!

 

[tomoe]

I am not sure i understand what you refer to here, tomoe. Sorry if it's obvious and i missed it

I meant your mentioning a dream of quite big importance to you:

And in some dreams I practiced reasonal thinking, there is one dream in my memory, that I probably will share later on the Dreams Thread.

sorry for not being precise in thoughts. Probably it's still a matter of adapting to writing in English.

And not to be the one who only asks to hear others' dreams, I'm thinking of putting some of mine as well. But on more appropriate thread, perhaps