Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[truth seeker]

Hi Gertrudes and thanks a lot for your suggestion. I'll be giving it a go.
I think my problem lies in temptation: I'm working in an organic supermarket and those two items (apples & sunflower seeds) are the only left overs I need to stop with, but I see them every day and it's a quick move to simply buy them :/. [...]
And I've also found that my sense of taste is flexible and how I could adapt to all the other diet changes pretty easily. Anyhow, thanks again, I'll see what other 'snack food' I can stock myself up with as a substitute.

What helps me by cravings is: using fat, that means the fat that comes from meat and you can roast also the meat with sunflower seats in butter. It's much better than chips. :)

Unfortunately my body doesn't seem to tolerate buckwheat. Every time I eat it, I feel like I'm drugged up.

Had you a look in the ultra simple diet topic maybe you can't tolerate lectins?

for example here: celiac iceberg and the updated ultra simple diet

Maybe give it a try, to soak the batter of buckwheat over night and use it the following morning, so far it helps me.

I'm not sure if there are lectins in quinoa, but I have also been using it (in flour form). Perhaps you'll do better with this? I believe it's currently one of the suggested grains. There is also quinoa milk available.

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[Keit]

Hi Keit,

From an holistic point of view, the left side of your body is connected with your feminine side, and to an ability to receive. Would this be at all connected with your life at present?

What I also found interesting is that you mentioned your difficulty in letting go, and you mentioned that your pinky finger just wouldn't relax. In Chinese medicine the heart meridians happen to finish exactly on the pinky finger of each hand. At a first glance, an inability to let go connected with some blockage concerning the heart seems to make sense, but I could be purely speculating here.

Also, here's Louise Hay's take on the little finger:

Little finger: Represents the family and pretending

In the light of your recent thread in the swamp, perhaps your body is giving you signs of what is going on inside?

Thank you, Gertrudes, your reply was very helpful. Thought about it yesterday and it all clicked. Not that I didn't know or wasn't told about this before, but perhaps this time it sank in, or shell we say, it was allowed to be taken in, in a very simple way.

In the past I was asked, how is it possible that I was given so much love, including being in the supportive environment, but it didn't change or influence me a bit. Deeply rooted egotism appears to be the answer, but I just couldn't get it when only concentrated on the aspect of the ability to give and felt that there is a lot in me that could be given. Well, I got it all wrong.

Lobaczewski wrote:

We call egotism the attitude, subconsciously conditioned as a rule, to which we attribute excessive value to our instinctive reflexes, early acquired imaginings and habits, and individual world view.

Egotism hampers a personality’s normal evolution because it fosters the domination of subconscious life and makes it difficult to accept disintegrative states which can be very helpful for growth and development. This egotism and rejection of disintegration in turn favors the appearance of para-appropriate reactions as described above.

Events in my life, perhaps including my natural tendencies, made me rigid and closed toward things in life that could assist in bringing about positive processes of disintegration and then integration of attitudes that would allow me to heal and be able to interact with others in an open and balanced way. Undoubtedly, there were things that were taken in, since I am a different person than several years ago. But it was conditional and on my terms, it was always twisted or very limited, and continued to feed the egotistic wall. The heart is hardened and doesn't accept positive emanations, something that contributes to my inner lack of self understanding because they are being rejected.

Here, in other posts, I write about working on being a better vessel for accepting creative energy, while myself am blind. Ridiculous and sad, really! :)

The inability of letting go perhaps steams from an inability to accept and receive a different perception, a different way of interacting with reality. Unconditional and non negotiable (with my ego that is). :) Perhaps this inner turmoil is also an indication that with all the best intention of change, there is still an inner refusal to accept the non negotiable aspect and what it entail. Still clinging to restricting the creative by either forcing it to be on my terms, and if not, by rejecting it. If there is a lack of understanding or a block, it is because of my choice to continue the suffering.

Thanks again. Lot to think about.

 

[Oxajil]

What I'm wondering over longer time now, how can I use the prayer if I like to pray for someone? Maybe there are different approaches to it, for example imagining the forum avatar of someone while repeating the phrases?

Maybe you could replace ''I'' with ''We''/''Her/Him'' then, when you want to use the POTS for another person. You could imagine the forum avatar or nickname, I don't think that matters much, as long as you have that person in your mind/heart in one way or another when you pray. Osit.

 

[Mrs. Peel]

What I'm wondering over longer time now, how can I use the prayer if I like to pray for someone? Maybe there are different approaches to it, for example imagining the forum avatar of someone while repeating the phrases?

Maybe you could replace ''I'' with ''We''/''Her/Him'' then, when you want to use the POTS for another person. You could imagine the forum avatar or nickname, I don't think that matters much, as long as you have that person in your mind/heart in one way or another when you pray. Osit.

Well, remember the New Age philosophy of "sending love and light" when it's not been asked for. Make sure the"someone" has requested your prayers...

 

[Gawan]

What I'm wondering over longer time now, how can I use the prayer if I like to pray for someone? Maybe there are different approaches to it, for example imagining the forum avatar of someone while repeating the phrases?

Maybe you could replace ''I'' with ''We''/''Her/Him'' then, when you want to use the POTS for another person. You could imagine the forum avatar or nickname, I don't think that matters much, as long as you have that person in your mind/heart in one way or another when you pray. Osit.

Well, remember the New Age philosophy of "sending love and light" when it's not been asked for. Make sure the"someone" has requested your prayers...

You are right, it was not intended in that way, only when someone asks about it!

 

[Oxajil]

What I'm wondering over longer time now, how can I use the prayer if I like to pray for someone? Maybe there are different approaches to it, for example imagining the forum avatar of someone while repeating the phrases?

Maybe you could replace ''I'' with ''We''/''Her/Him'' then, when you want to use the POTS for another person. You could imagine the forum avatar or nickname, I don't think that matters much, as long as you have that person in your mind/heart in one way or another when you pray. Osit.

Well, remember the New Age philosophy of "sending love and light" when it's not been asked for. Make sure the"someone" has requested your prayers...

I think there is a difference in anticipating when "sending love and light" and doing it without anticipation. I also don't really see it as sending "love and light", but rather as asking DCM to help that person with whatever s/he is dealing with or for protection etc (if possible and not violating any free will). I've prayed many times for those who haven't asked for it in words. I don't see any harm in this, unless it's sure in one's behavior and words they don't want/need your prayers.

Am I not seeing something?

 

[Aeneas]

What I'm wondering over longer time now, how can I use the prayer if I like to pray for someone? Maybe there are different approaches to it, for example imagining the forum avatar of someone while repeating the phrases?

Maybe you could replace ''I'' with ''We''/''Her/Him'' then, when you want to use the POTS for another person. You could imagine the forum avatar or nickname, I don't think that matters much, as long as you have that person in your mind/heart in one way or another when you pray. Osit.

Well, remember the New Age philosophy of "sending love and light" when it's not been asked for. Make sure the"someone" has requested your prayers...

I think there is a difference in anticipating when "sending love and light" and doing it without anticipation. I also don't really see it as sending "love and light", but rather as asking DCM to help that person with whatever s/he is dealing with or for protection etc (if possible and not violating any free will). I've prayed many times for those who haven't asked for it in words. I don't see any harm in this, unless it's sure in one's behavior and words they don't want/need your prayers.

Am I not seeing something?

I limit myself to only send healing for someone IF they ask, as I find that when we are not asked, but feel the need to send healing or pray for someone, then it is because we think we know what is best for someone else. Instead of trusting that DCM knows perfectly well what to do and will do so if needed and asked for by that person personally. In other words, the DCM does not need me as an intermediary between the person and DCM. I think it also shows where we are not accepting the path that another person is leading or where we are doubting that the person can handle it.

It might please us to pray for someone else or send healing in which case it might be worth looking at that aspect in ourselves that feels good about this or need this.

So I think that Mrs. Peel was spot on in reminding to make sure the"someone" has requested your prayers...

 

[Oxajil]

I limit myself to only send healing for someone IF they ask,

But you see, I do not send "healing", I can't do such a thing. I only ask DCM that if She thinks that person could need help and/or protection to offer it to Her/Him. I don't do this for any random person of course, I think clearly before I do such a thing, sometimes asking that person whether s/he would want me to. For example, I ask for protection over my family, I ask DCM to stay with someone who I know and died, I ask DCM to help my father with his loss etc. It comes from my heart, it is merely an asking. I cannot change anything, I cannot create a situation for them, but I can ask DCM. The outcome is unknown.

as I find that when we are not asked, but feel the need to send healing or pray for someone, then it is because we think we know what is best for someone else.

That's not how I am experiencing it, I stay open for what is best for someone else since I cannot know.

Instead of trusting that DCM knows perfectly well what to do and will do so if needed and asked for by that person personally. In other words, the DCM does not need me as an intermediary between the person and DCM. I think it also shows where we are not accepting the path that another person is leading or where we are doubting that the person can handle it.

That's also how I do not view praying. Praying should be open, not closed. To think that we can act as "intermediary between the person and DCM" would be an assumption. I also do not act with this assumption, rather I follow and act out of my heart. Maybe this is wrong, but I never expect a certain fixed outcome.

It might please us to pray for someone else or send healing in which case it might be worth looking at that aspect in ourselves that feels good about this or need this.

Maybe you are right.

 

[mada85]

I've prayed many times for those who haven't asked for it in words. I don't see any harm in this, unless it's sure in one's behavior and words they don't want/need your prayers.

If they haven't actually asked you to pray for them, whether in writing or verbally or in some way that makes their request completely clear and understood by both parties, how do you know that they want you to pray for them? What you describe strikes me as a kind of 'opt out' clause. This type of clause or check box can sometimes be found when signing up to some websites: unless specifically asked not to do something, they will do it. So I think that you are saying that you will pray for a person unless they ask you not to. But they can't ask you not to unless you tell them that you are praying for them. Do these people know that you are praying for them?

Why do we want to pray for another? In the past, before I really thought about free will, I would send love and light to people, pray for them, visualise them healing, even going so far as to conduct a sort of psychic surgery on them in my mind to aid healing – all without asking their permission.

I realised that even with the most seemingly pure intention for evolution and healing for the person, I was still interfering with them. It was not for me to decide that they needed to be healed or to evolve at a rate other than that at which this may already have been occurring. We naturally want those we love to be healed when they are sick. But how can we determine if that is their lesson? Do we pray for their healing because we cannot bear the thought that they might die?

So I think that the answer to the question is that by praying without the other's permission or request we are trying to make the other person into an image we have of what they should be, thinking that we know best what that person needs, whether it be healed or evolved or whatever. Even simply praying for that person's 'highest good', or 'blessings of the DCM', is a violation of free will. What happens to the energy of the prayer if the person is not at all interested in 'higher good' or 'blessings of the DCM'? They will not be able to accept it and it will rebound onto the sender, creating a kind of psychic link which may not be helpful to either party.

I think that unless we have evolved to a point where we can truly See the person's entire existences in whatever form or universe, their lessons, their place on the learning curve – which would mean becoming the DCM itself – then we have not the right to pray for them . . . unless they have ASKED.

 

[Oxajil]

If they haven't actually asked you to pray for them, whether in writing or verbally or in some way that makes their request completely clear and understood by both parties, how do you know that they want you to pray for them? What you describe strikes me as a kind of 'opt out' clause. This type of clause or check box can sometimes be found when signing up to some websites: unless specifically asked not to do something, they will do it. So I think that you are saying that you will pray for a person unless they ask you not to. But they can't ask you not to unless you tell them that you are praying for them. Do these people know that you are praying for them?

You're right, perhaps it is a selfish act.

Why do we want to pray for another? In the past, before I really thought about free will, I would send love and light to people, pray for them, visualise them healing, even going so far as to conduct a sort of psychic surgery on them in my mind to aid healing – all without asking their permission.

The difference between you and me is that I did not have such a desire, never. I trusted God for whatever He decided to do is the right thing.

I realised that even with the most seemingly pure intention for evolution and healing for the person, I was still interfering with them. It was not for me to decide that they needed to be healed or to evolve at a rate other than that at which this may already have been occurring. We naturally want those we love to be healed when they are sick. But how can we determine if that is their lesson? Do we pray for their healing because we cannot bear the thought that they might die?

Yes, I think that when we pray for another, we also pray for ourselves to some extent. The key is to remain open... always...

So I think that the answer to the question is that by praying without the other's permission or request we are trying to make the other person into an image we have of what they should be, thinking that we know best what that person needs, whether it be healed or evolved or whatever. Even simply praying for that person's 'highest good', or 'blessings of the DCM', is a violation of free will. What happens to the energy of the prayer if the person is not at all interested in 'higher good' or 'blessings of the DCM'? They will not be able to accept it and it will rebound onto the sender, creating a kind of psychic link which may not be helpful to either party.

You might be right, but I do not pray that way at all.

I think that unless we have evolved to a point where we can truly See the person's entire existences in whatever form or universe, their lessons, their place on the learning curve – which would mean becoming the DCM itself – then we have not the right to pray for them . . . unless they have ASKED.

If I would see my (little) brother having an accident and he is lying in the hospital, I ask DCM to be with him. It is mostly a comfort for me, to have the feeling that he is not alone. So yes, it could be selfish. But I don't think I am violating any free will, for I always open up the possibility that perhaps he doesn't need that etc. I have faith in DCM to decide what She thinks is best.

 

[Buddy]

Fwiw, I can relate to anyone who feels that urge to pray for someone. Here's how I deal with it: When I think of someone who is going through a trying time and my desire to pray for them is active, I try to look very closely at that gap between what I see of them and what I'm feeling an urge to do for them if they have not asked.

That gap is a very important place. You could even meditate on it. You could even experiment; think about and notice what happens as your thoughts slowly shift from what you are thinking about another person to your actual doing something (praying for them or whatever) when there is no corresponding awareness of what you're doing from the recipient.

What was used for making the bridge? For me, it is sometimes difficult to see that I am editing out the fact that this process of trying to bridge that gap just knocks my energy for a loop, setting up a self-referencing feedback loop that really benefits me by making me feel better or relieving me of some internal pressure.

It also reinforces the illusion of separateness and that could be meditated on as well, OSIT.

So, what I do instead is just take all the feelings that have accumulated within me in the course of the day and just direct my attention to Universe, asking nothing more than for Universe to interpret and accept expression from my innermost being. After doing that, I have occasionally experienced troubling dreams or fitful sleep, but upon awakening, I have felt such emotional lightness and mental clarity that I can get chill bumps just from feeling alive!

That seems to work for me. :)

I suppose one could also just ask for permission to pray for another?

 

[Oxajil]

Interesting Bud, thank you for sharing.

I suppose one could also just ask for permission to pray for another?

Sure. That might be the best thing to do then, I guess.

I also want to add something to those who think of praying as determining the needs of another. What if you pray for yourself?
I've developed a prayer when I was young and I use it before sleeping and have so for many years, where I ask for many things including DCM's protection (I'm a fearful person), to protect me from harm in my dreams too. This has never stopped me from having nightmares, dark man dreams etc. it is simply the feeling of having faith. Of feeling not alone, and knowing someone is watching you. Or not, maybe DCM is not 'there'. But just that possibility that someone might be watching over me gives me strength to Do more, to Be.

So this does not mean I won't be Working on myself (or to stop being vigilant), because I think I'm being watched. Definitely, definitely not. Maybe I am determining my own needs (thinking I need protection), but I stay open for the possibility that these aren't my needs. I don't anticipate. And I think the same goes when you pray for others.

So perhaps it is a more personal thing? I now pray less, and use more POTS of course (which is probably the most 'open' prayer ever! and love it). But my image of praying has always been an open one. It's really about sincerity and openness. People have different ways of expressing their thoughts and emotions, perhaps one of my ways is doing it by praying.

 

[LQB]

In a past post I mentioned that I had been doing the full EE program about once a week averaged over the long haul. I recently decided to put more emphasis on the full program at least twice a week and commit to greater enthusiasm since I was beginning to see it as more of a chore and less an opportunity. In the first full “recommitted” session, I was surprised by pouring of water from my left eye towards the end of the RB and continuing on into the POTS – just the left eye, and no particular emotion associated with it. In the next session a couple of days later, during the RB, I got strange sensations and twitches along the left side of my body. At the end of the RB as the music began, the familiar tingling was joined by strong contortions of the lower lip like wounded crying (like others have recently mentioned here). This surprised me again since there was no emotion or feeling behind this crying. The contortion was asymmetrical favoring the left side, and the impression I got from this is something deep from childhood – how I remember “suppressed” crying used to feel. There seems to be something about the music that acts like a trigger for this in me. And whatever “it” is, it manifests as a left/right asymmetry in me physically (my shoe wear is always more pronounced on the left).

The next session produced nothing unusual – no tears or contortions. The latest session I did last night with the new EE disk (for the first time). Just as the music began, there was a wave of feeling and tears (from both eyes) like an old wound but no particular event/memory. But I was able to go much deeper into it, and it seemed to have the quality of release.

What happened latter that night is worth noting but is probably not connected. After the session I got up to hit the head before bed and lost my balance (strangely) in the dark bathroom, and in the process of catching my balance, broke a ceramic soap dish near the sink, and severely reinjured my left lower back (originally from some heavy lifting about a week ago). At the time, the thought that I had somehow been attacked occurred. A sharp piece of the soap dish landed on the floor in the middle of the bathroom entrance. I did not discover this until the next morning after another (very painful) trip to the bathroom. I don’t know how I could have made three passes over that shard without stepping on it, but had I done so, I’m sure my injuries would be far worse.

BTW a special thanks from me to the music producers – those pieces really speak to me!

 

[RedFox]

For those having trouble with breathing, I think the best approach is going to be go with what is most comfortable. You may find after a few weeks/months of breathing in/out through the nose that it then becomes easier to breath in through the nose and out through the mouth.
When you start out it is quite important I think to go with the in through the nose, out through the mouth breathing in the POTS section.....but as you've all been doing it some time now (over a year), perhaps just let it flow a little?

I think it's REALLY important to remember that the whole reason for breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth is because of the effect it has on synchronizing the hemispheres of the brain. Redfox, when you say, 'let it flow a little' do you mean not breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth?

Hi anart. you are right that is what I meant. I realise this was a mistake now you pointed it out.
My thinking was that as people where having trouble zoning out during the POTS (remaining hyper vigilant) and I noticed that sometimes during zoning out my breathing changes by itself...so thought if people stopped the in through the nose and out through the mouth they would zone out.....what I didn't notice was this is sensation seeking/forcing it, and did not consider this state of hyper vigilance from the breathing is probably just a natural progression.
Sorry about this. Thanks for the reminder!
I think Aragorn may also be right...I think their was a "being right" program running...

You nearly died at birth, and as a warrior you escaped death and decided to live. See it as an inspiration to Do more, to Live the life you chose to live.
This trauma might play a role, but maybe being raised in a narcissistic family played a role as well.

Thanks for this, it made me laugh and brought balance back to my perspective.
Feels like some pretty big changes going on inside me at the moment. I dreamt last night of 'being accepted' for who I am by what I perceived to be my inner feminine (she was painting a water colour with her fingers, and I provided a new colour and perspective she could not see that gave the painting a new depth). It felt quite beautiful.

I've developed a prayer when I was young and I use it before sleeping and have so for many years, where I ask for many things including DCM's protection (I'm a fearful person), to protect me from harm in my dreams too. This has never stopped me from having nightmares, dark man dreams etc. it is simply the feeling of having faith. Of feeling not alone, and knowing someone is watching you. Or not, maybe DCM is not 'there'. But just that possibility that someone might be watching over me gives me strength to Do more, to Be.

I know what that is like, my dreams have been like that for years.....but they seem to be changing.
For myself I have been asking to face my fears when I do the POTS, to have the strength to do so. Part of me believed I was incapable of doing so (that I did not have the strength to face these things) and I would often say to myself 'I cannot...', because the fear was from a time when perhaps it felt that way as a small child, but this is no longer the case. I can face them. I have been doing the same with all my emotions/traumas.
Persistent gentle/open asking and persistent gentle/open acceptance of what I find. fwiw

 

[aragorn]

Fwiw, I can relate to anyone who feels that urge to pray for someone. Here's how I deal with it: When I think of someone who is going through a trying time and my desire to pray for them is active, I try to look very closely at that gap between what I see of them and what I'm feeling an urge to do for them if they have not asked.

That gap is a very important place. You could even meditate on it. You could even experiment; think about and notice what happens as your thoughts slowly shift from what you are thinking about another person to your actual doing something (praying for them or whatever) when there is no corresponding awareness of what you're doing from the recipient.

What was used for making the bridge? For me, it is sometimes difficult to see that I am editing out the fact that this process of trying to bridge that gap just knocks my energy for a loop, setting up a self-referencing feedback loop that really benefits me by making me feel better or relieving me of some internal pressure.

It also reinforces the illusion of separateness and that could be meditated on as well, OSIT.

So, what I do instead is just take all the feelings that have accumulated within me in the course of the day and just direct my attention to Universe, asking nothing more than for Universe to interpret and accept expression from my innermost being. After doing that, I have occasionally experienced troubling dreams or fitful sleep, but upon awakening, I have felt such emotional lightness and mental clarity that I can get chill bumps just from feeling alive!

That seems to work for me. :)

I suppose one could also just ask for permission to pray for another?

Bud, I guess I'm just too "dense", but would it be possible for you to explain all that in a more simple way? I would like to understand your procedure that you describe, but right now I couldn't quite understand it. :(