Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[rylek]

I've been noticing all kinds of strange things during sleep lately. Sometimes I dream non-stop through the night (which might be linked to whatever I ate that evening), sometimes I wake up with a very sore right foot, like a cramp or spasm (planetary linkage perhaps?), but it's the whole-body jolt I sometimes get either before or after POTS that is really odd! I will be lying there doing a few cycles of pipe-breathing, then I just kinda ... jump! I wonder if it's a change of state, like a clicking of 'internal gears'. Sometimes the jolt is so strong that my legs physically shift. It's not painful or worrying me, just darn curious.

I recall reading about something along those lines in The Unknowable Gurdjieff by Margaret Anderson. She wrote that this shift was one's center of gravity switching from one center to another during pre-sleep states. Unfortunately I don't have the book at hand to quote from it, but it compliments the fact that EE is opening up and loosening rigid structures.

I wanted to return to the mention of wild dreams as I've been experiencing really intense ones last week (still ongoing) especially realistic and powerful.

I do my POTS with headphones on. These days the 'zoning out' is getting deeper and deeper to the point that I don't zone back in after the POTS. I listen with headphones on and these nights I don't even remember taking them off.

So I'm doing the usual routine before falling asleep and these dreams are quite strange. One night it was me standing outside watching a bright light in the sky, wandering around a city half naked with an office chair and then the most vivid recent dream was of me at work where I was in a stressful situation, trying to handle it and as the pressure in the dream kept increasing I finally sort of erupted into screaming with this electric burst going out of my body (if anyone has seen the Watchers it was exactly like Dr. Manhattan). After that dream I woke up with a mild shock but it felt like that in the process something has been released. I had this calm feeling in the morning though that didn't last long.

FWIW

 

[Mrs.Tigersoap]

Do you guys do this while you are still conscious? I do it when I am either half or fully asleep -- sometimes I will wake up when I do it

In my case, I'm conscious. I'm relaxed, post POTS, maybe thinking about my day, the forum, etc. and then bam! I just jump really, my arms and legs move up. It's really surprising.
I had something similar all my life, jumping when I was falling asleep and had the impression of falling in a dream, as many have described above, but here, it's really more intense, and I'm not on the verge of sleep at all. It usually bothers Tigersoap who's wondering what the heck I'm doing. Until Kniall brought it up, I was wondering what was wrong with me (yet again ).

That's weird about the spasms and magnesium citrate, because magnesium is supposed to help PREVENT muscles spasms. Maybe you don't absorb the citrate as well as the orotate or glycinate?

Yes it seems I have a problem of some sort with magnesium citrate. 5 years ago a chiropractor told me to take some to relax the muscles of my neck and back and almost immediately after taking some, my face began to have spasms and cramps, it was the weirdest thing, my cheeks were hard as rock. Then at night, I would jerk and jump every 5 minutes. When I stopped magnesium citrate, the symptoms went away, then I would take some and it would come back.
When I started the USD almost three months ago, I began taking some again, to see, and sure enough, the cramps, jumps, spasms came back. So now I just stay away from the stuff and take As you say, it's like it is indeed not absorbed properly and starts to have the exact opposite effect.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

In my case, I'm conscious. I'm relaxed, post POTS, maybe thinking about my day, the forum, etc. and then bam! I just jump really, my arms and legs move up. It's really surprising.

Funny, last night I had some trouble falling asleep and this happened to me. I was lying on my side and my whole body just jolted. My left arm lifted a foot or so into the air! I had a little laugh and then fell asleep a short time after.

 

[Niall]

I recall reading about something along those lines in The Unknowable Gurdjieff by Margaret Anderson. She wrote that this shift was one's center of gravity switching from one center to another during pre-sleep states. Unfortunately I don't have the book at hand to quote from it, but it compliments the fact that EE is opening up and loosening rigid structures.

In The Unknowable Gurdjieff, under "Asleep" section (page 54, Rouotledge & Kegan Paul 1962 edition):

The three centres fall asleep separately. Sometimes at the beginning of sleep, you jump violently. This is one centre letting go of another.

Is the above what you were referring to, Kniall?

That's the one!

Funny, last night I had some trouble falling asleep and this happened to me. I was lying on my side and my whole body just jolted. My left arm lifted a foot or so into the air! I had a little laugh and then fell asleep a short time after.

Sometimes though, the 'jump' doesn't register physically at all - my body doesn't move. At least, not that I'm aware of.

In my case, I'm conscious. I'm relaxed, post POTS, maybe thinking about my day, the forum, etc. and then bam!

Yeh the variant of this that piqued my curiosity is when it happens while I'm conscious, not drifting off to sleep.

 

[theos]

I've had these jumps too for as long as I can remember. I haven't had any recently though. Usually, I'm just falling asleep and it wakes me up. Sometimes the jumps go along with a dream I may be starting that involves falling or stepping off a cliff.

 

[RedFox]

In my case, I'm conscious. I'm relaxed, post POTS, maybe thinking about my day, the forum, etc. and then bam! I just jump really, my arms and legs move up. It's really surprising.

Funny, last night I had some trouble falling asleep and this happened to me. I was lying on my side and my whole body just jolted. My left arm lifted a foot or so into the air! I had a little laugh and then fell asleep a short time after.

Ok, so it must be contagious because I had one of these jolts during the Ba Ha section whilst laying down last night! My left leg kicked out to the side.
I smiled and carried on with the breathing.

 

[Tigersoap]

Sometimes though, the 'jump' doesn't register physically at all - my body doesn't move. At least, not that I'm aware of.

I also had these sudden jolts all my life, varying in frequency, but sometimes it feels more like etheric (?) bones snapping into place than anything else and it does not always feel that it originates within my body either.

On another topic, I wake up around 4h - 4h30 every morning for the last week or so and then I fall back asleep but I am in between state dreaming a lot until the alarm clock rings. Maybe I need more/less 5HTP or Melatonin because I saw a difference when I started taking it regarding my sleeping patterns.

 

[Ollie]

On another topic, I wake up around 4h - 4h30 every morning for the last week or so and then I fall back asleep but I am in between state dreaming a lot until the alarm clock rings. Maybe I need more/less 5HTP or Melatonin because I saw a difference when I started taking it regarding my sleeping patterns.

That's interesting, because I've been doing something similar too, for the last week, although have no alarm clock. :) I've been varying 5HTP quantities at tea time and can sense no apparent difference in effect on the waking pattern.

This may help, or not.

 

[RedFox]

On another topic, I wake up around 4h - 4h30 every morning for the last week or so and then I fall back asleep but I am in between state dreaming a lot until the alarm clock rings. Maybe I need more/less 5HTP or Melatonin because I saw a difference when I started taking it regarding my sleeping patterns.

That's interesting, because I've been doing something similar too, for the last week, although have no alarm clock. :) I've been varying 5HTP quantities at tea time and can sense no apparent difference in effect on the waking pattern.

This may help, or not.

I've not been taking 5HTP for some time, and this last month or so I've been waking up pretty much every night (if not every night) at between 3am and 4.30am (needing the bathroom).....but I put this down to diet related issues. This was never a problem before taking the 5HTP unless I go back to my teenage years.
I'd been taking a dose of caprylic acid in the evening and my pro-biotic before bed, and I think this may be the cause...have since moved it to the morning and things seem to be quietening down....it may also be related to eating a large meal in the evening. fwiw
But if others are having problems...perhaps its nothing to do with diet? Hmm

 

[Mrs.Tigersoap]

Funny, last night I had some trouble falling asleep and this happened to me. I was lying on my side and my whole body just jolted. My left arm lifted a foot or so into the air! I had a little laugh and then fell asleep a short time after.

Ok, so it must be contagious because I had one of these jolts during the Ba Ha section whilst laying down last night! My left leg kicked out to the side. I smiled and carried on with the breathing.

The fact that you both experienced this just after having talked about it on the forum made me wonder if we are all starting to experience what the others experience because we are all getting 'closer' to each other?
It reminds me of what the C's were saying about us 'building ties' with each other on other levels because of EE (I searched for the exact quote and reread several sessions, but for some reason I cannot find it now. I'll keep looking).

Maybe it's just a natural step and nothing more, I don't know.

 

[theos]

On another topic, I wake up around 4h - 4h30 every morning for the last week or so and then I fall back asleep but I am in between state dreaming a lot until the alarm clock rings. Maybe I need more/less 5HTP or Melatonin because I saw a difference when I started taking it regarding my sleeping patterns.

That's interesting, because I've been doing something similar too, for the last week, although have no alarm clock. :) I've been varying 5HTP quantities at tea time and can sense no apparent difference in effect on the waking pattern.

This may help, or not.

I've not been taking 5HTP for some time, and this last month or so I've been waking up pretty much every night (if not every night) at between 3am and 4.30am (needing the bathroom).....but I put this down to diet related issues. This was never a problem before taking the 5HTP unless I go back to my teenage years.
I'd been taking a dose of caprylic acid in the evening and my pro-biotic before bed, and I think this may be the cause...have since moved it to the morning and things seem to be quietening down....it may also be related to eating a large meal in the evening. fwiw
But if others are having problems...perhaps its nothing to do with diet? Hmm

I've been waking up at this time too. It was actually worse when I was taking 5-htp because I couldn't fall back to sleep. Since I cut it out I'm able to go back to sleep. I get up at this time due to needing use the bathroom. I was told in a class that not being able to sleep through the night without having to urinate is a sign of adrenal fatigue (since the adrenals sit atop the kidneys and are involved in regulating fluid balance) but I can't find much about it. At any rate, I increased my mag and Bvitamin intake and added adrenal cortex and this middle of the night toileting has decreased.

 

[Beau]

Just curious, for all you who are waking in the middle of the night, when are you taking your 5-HTP?

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Funny, last night I had some trouble falling asleep and this happened to me. I was lying on my side and my whole body just jolted. My left arm lifted a foot or so into the air! I had a little laugh and then fell asleep a short time after.

Ok, so it must be contagious because I had one of these jolts during the Ba Ha section whilst laying down last night! My left leg kicked out to the side. I smiled and carried on with the breathing.

The fact that you both experienced this just after having talked about it on the forum made me wonder if we are all starting to experience what the others experience because we are all getting 'closer' to each other?
It reminds me of what the C's were saying about us 'building ties' with each other on other levels because of EE (I searched for the exact quote and reread several sessions, but for some reason I cannot find it now. I'll keep looking).

Maybe it's just a natural step and nothing more, I don't know.

One day, we'll all by gyrating and spasming in total unison!

 

[Jacques]

Just curious, for all you who are waking in the middle of the night, when are you taking your 5-HTP?

Before going to bed around 22h.

I was told in a class that not being able to sleep through the night without having to urinate is a sign of adrenal fatigue

It might be true but as I drink quite a lot, I always go to the bathroom in the middle of the night.

 

[theos]

Just curious, for all you who are waking in the middle of the night, when are you taking your 5-HTP?

I've tried it with dinner but later moved it to lunch.